Hey everyone: At 13:30 the chart shows that the 10MM had 217 energy foot pounds. That's a mathematical error. the real number should have been 526.

@HR-rt9nh

Ай бұрын

yeah thought as much

@bertg.6056

Ай бұрын

Yes, I noticed that error, as well.

@cw2a

Ай бұрын

Not to me tion that 10mm is 40 s&w carbine power level. Many companies load the ammo to full potential. A fair comparison would have had 10 with that ammo attaining a realistic 1200 fps.

@tsc3576

Ай бұрын

Need a new Chrono bud.

@Tom-xp7dl

Ай бұрын

A Harrell brother make a mistake, I dont think so. But we all need to check our calculator batteries sometime. Great video.

Roy, you are perfectly fine. Just stop saying sorry. We are Americans, not Canadians.

@xPumaFangx

Ай бұрын

Sorry..

@user-mc5gu7cj4g

Ай бұрын

How about, “Sorry, not sorry.” Is that better?

@xPumaFangx

Ай бұрын

@@user-mc5gu7cj4g Sorry but no.

@tracyclaystowell6431

24 күн бұрын

Even though lots of us Canadians are listening. Thanks for all your work. And prayers for Paul. Clay

@xPumaFangx

24 күн бұрын

@@tracyclaystowell6431 Sorry.....

Thanks for carrying on the channel Roy! You're doing great! The only correct choice between 44 Mag, 41 Mag and 10mm is to buy all 3!

@georgesheffield1580

Ай бұрын

Or a 400 corbon barrel for your 1911

Thank you for Continuing for Paul.

@SunriseLAW

Ай бұрын

Agreed. Paul will always be totally special. I appreciate Roy's style and professionalism.

@sirusguyrus2445

Ай бұрын

Agreed

@TheMazdarx8gt

Ай бұрын

Please read what i said. Nowhere did i say he was.

@johan.ohgren

Ай бұрын

What? Paul quit?

@kynoble

Ай бұрын

@@johan.ohgren He's probably only making sporadic appearances. He's also working behind the scenes.

Nice to see the 41 magnum getting some love.

@elpd46

Ай бұрын

.41 mag is an excellent choice for a "woods" gun.

You can tell Roy is really getting comfy behind the camera. Good to see. It also makes you appreciate how good Paul is/was on camera being able to talk long format with very few pauses and misspoken words.

@bobjones-bt9bh

Ай бұрын

he's in front of the camera, not behind it

@03bugeye

Ай бұрын

Touche~ 😊​@@bobjones-bt9bh

I carried a S&W model 57 .41 Magnum, 4 inch for the first twelve years of a thirty-four year law enforcement career, before a required transition to a semi-auto sidearm. I tried a .44 Magnum for a short time but felt the recoil of a 4 inch gun made recovery of the sight picture too slow. I was always satisfied with the results of the .41. [edit: Buffalo Bore 265gr hard cast lead bullet launches at 1350 fps, for 1065 ft/lbs energy. Helluva hot round]

@lesflynn4455

Ай бұрын

Ouch!

@hillbillyscholar8126

Ай бұрын

What did you carry in your M57 while on duty? Thank you for your service and sharing with us.

@larrymatherne6990

Ай бұрын

I too carried a 41 mag in my holster for a number of years during my Game Warden career. If you can get by the weight it’s a great caliber. The mandatory switch to Sig 220s in 45 acp brought on its retirement.

@bluesman7475

Ай бұрын

Owning both a Smith and Wesson 57 and 29 in 4 inch for 45+ years and shooting both a lot my take is... With the same weight bullet, the performance is the same. The .19 diameter increase is not enough to make an observable difference under field conditions. Platforms are the same, no difference here either. There are more factory options in ammo for 44 magnum, but I reload so no difference here for me. Pick your favorite and be happy. As far as a 10mm, don't own one, never shot one and no interest here. I like revolvers

@henryrodgers1752

Ай бұрын

@@hillbillyscholar8126 : There was a sort-of custom ammo company named “Super-Vel” that featured a duplex load …200gr JHP which I carried. Sometimes I carried the Winchester Silver Tip…I think it was 185gr.. I didn’t own a chronograph or know anyone who did, so I don’t know what the actual velocities were on those rounds. I hope this answers your question. Go shooting and have some fun!

I had the honor of meeting Paul today. What a man! Thank you for all you have done to help and educate us all!! He is spot on! Respectfully, Brad TxLEO(retired) LE Firearms Instructor P.S. Roy-you are doing a great job. Keep it up.

The energy for the 10mm, 200 gr projectile @ 1089 fps, should be 527 ft-lbs.

@dkolb65

Ай бұрын

I noticed that on the 10mm the muzzle was past the chronograph!!

@CntBckt

Ай бұрын

Ohhhhhhhh okay...I thought I was just way off when I saw that. All good, though. My major takeaway from this video is that I want that Fusion 10mm. lol

@youngbloodbear9662

Ай бұрын

@@dkolb65i believe the tool they’re using now is actually not a chronograph (called that for convenience) but uses radar to track the bullet’s velocity, hopefully others can provide more information

@sdghtjsdcgs

Ай бұрын

@@youngbloodbear9662 lol chronographs aren't one specific thing, a stopwatch is a chronograph. It's still a chronograph if it uses a doppler radar.

@earl240sx

Ай бұрын

@@youngbloodbear9662 You are correct in that it uses Doppler radar to track the speed, but it is still called a chronograph. That is the Garmin Xero C1, and it is probably the best chrono on the market right now. The most expensive too...

Good to see you Roy. Say hey to Paul for me Sir. And I don't listen too what someone else says about Paul till I hear from Roy. Great video Roy thank you for all your hard work and time Sir.

@kerrybarnard1485

Ай бұрын

I listened to Honest Outlaw this morning, he gave props to Paul and I was really impressed.

Of course Speer Gold Dot 10mm is basically loaded to .40 S&W levels and is not the greatest example of the potential of the 10mm Auto. There are many 10mm Auto loads that leave the barrel at well over 1300 fps. That said, another great video, always a great watch!

@dashcammer4322

Ай бұрын

Underwood or Buffalo Bore would have been better 10mm choices. Same for the 41 and 44. SAAMI spec full-pressure loads or shoot a tamer caliber gun.

@timeverett7828

Ай бұрын

I'll take a 41 mag any day of the week and twice on Sunday! Amazing cartridge.

@bobjones-bt9bh

Ай бұрын

527 fpe is well beyond what the .40 does in the GD load. Most of the really good majors' cartridges max out in the mid to high 400s fpe from .40. UW has some lighter rounds that will get low to mid 500s. The reality is that there are *not* that many rounds for 10mm which are loaded to true 10mm capability. They come basically only from 3 companies- UW, BB, and DT

Welcome to the world of content creators, Roy 😉 Mistakes happen, dont worry about it. unfortunately you see now the negative side where people think they can jump on you like a funnel web spider for getting the 10mm kinetic energy wrong. Most of those commentors never created a presentation themselves. They have no idea how much work goes into a 20 minute clip. I think, besides that little lapsus, you did a great job fascilitating the content. Bringing the 10mm into the picture was spot on. Keep on trucking and thanks for the great content🙏👍💯

@winnerscreed6767

Ай бұрын

I'm happy you said something. It very hard to do videos...Don't think so? Remember back to when you had to stand in front of the class and do an oral book report, then multiply that by millions of viewers. I have nothing but the utmost respect for Roy and crew.

@mikewithers299

Ай бұрын

Agreed. I remember my first speech in 9th grade. We got graded on our content and presentation. I was a nervous wreck. Paul has done this for a long time and is pretty polished. I have no doubt Roy will come to his own and get used to it. I'm just glad he is filling the gap, as this channel is the best. Let some troll try and fill Roy's shoes for once, and get heckled the same way they are doing.

@kerrybarnard1485

Ай бұрын

I had to conduct a BIG meeting at the hospital earlier this week....yep you guessed it, there was an error crunching the numbers. Nobody caught it but me (thank goodness) but I'd been working on it for a month! It can definitely happen to anyone, especially when the turnaround time is short like you would have creating videos for the channel. GREAT JOB on a really pertinent video.

@jondeniro

Ай бұрын

Presenting faulty information as fact is...human. Not admitting to, and correcting said faulty data is inexcusable.

Your 10mm energy was off the calculation I used gets 526 ftlb

@Sableagle

Ай бұрын

69% the velocity, 48% the energy. Based on that 1095 figure, 527. Agreed.

My grandfather gave me a S&W 657 41 Magnum years ago. It quickly became my favorite revolver caliber, it truly is a "goldilocks", not too big, not too small, just right. I got a deer with it a few years ago and was the experience of a lifetime. I'll definitely be keeping it forever

@michaelestrada2772

Ай бұрын

There was an old model 58 for sale at my local gun store and I came pretty close to buying it! I always liked the 41, and could really make use of it now that I handload my own rounds.

My favorite caliber is the .41 you just have to reload your ammo. It’s to hard to find it on the shelf. Thanks for the video keep up the great work and time.

@paulsmock7439

Ай бұрын

I bought S&W .41 over 30 11:53 years ago from a gunsmith friend that had smoothed out the trigger. When I went to buy some shells, $28 a box. I learned to reload ammo quickly. My load was supposed to be a 210gr hard-cast an about 1000fps was very pleasant and extremely accurate to shoot. A hot load will send a large flame down range.

41 Magnum is much closer to 44 Magnum than either 10mm or 357 Magnum. 41 Magnum is much more powerful than 357 Mag or 10mm using comparable grain unless you use the really hot 357 from Buffalo Bore or Underwood.

@Kinetic.44

Ай бұрын

*Laughs in .454 Casull*

@donaldcope4982

Ай бұрын

Yep

@jorgesolis9468

Ай бұрын

I think 460 rowlands vs 41 mag would be more fair in terms of average energy

@alan-sk7ky

Ай бұрын

Just as powerful eh... 😉

@Possum3v

Ай бұрын

Or the really hot 10mm from underwood or buffalo bore. As far as hotter loads go, 10mm and 357 run a very tight race. Most 10mm is loaded to fbi spec sadly

You're doing a great job with your brother's channel

@user-oy9zz4wz1l

Ай бұрын

Agreed. Delivery is getting smoother, too.

@AshGreen359

Ай бұрын

He's new at all this KZread stuff, he'll get better. Paul used to use someone else to edit his videos in the early days, he learned too

@randomguy1371

Ай бұрын

Comparing him to Paul is unfair to him, given Paul's had years of experience and Roy's fresh. He's obviously getting more comfortable on camera, and is definitely getting better every video. It really feels like the old Paul videos, when he was not very elegant or smooth in his delivery

.41 magnum ammo, like 10mm, can be all over the place in terms of power. Some loads approach very closely to .44 magnum while others are closer to .357 magnum.

Roy, you're such a good brother. I appreciate everything you do. Keep up the good work man!

Roy is definitely a great fit while Paul is out. Thank you for the video! I learned about a new caliber (didn’t know .41 Magnum existed).

@georgesheffield1580

Ай бұрын

Very " not new " ,over 50 years old

@johndilday1846

Ай бұрын

I believe that it was developed around 1964. It never got much print in magazines compared to the .44 magnum, and it kicks more than the .357 (but not as much as the .44), so it had trouble selling very many guns.

This is such good medicine for all our range days. To all on the team, thank you for dedicated time and effort!

Interesting Caliber comparison. GREAT CONTENT!👍🏻🇺🇲

Thank you Roy for carrying on for Paul! I hope Paul is doing well today and just relax and have some fun with this Roy, Paul always did and It showed on camera.

I have a Ruger Redhawk 5" in .41 Magnum. Thank you for doing a video on this criminally underrated cartridge

That 10mm load was a little on the light side. The old standard was Winchester 175 grain Sthp at 1250 fps. 625 foor pounds of energy. Overall Roy, this is a really great video in The Harrell style were used to.

I love my 41 magnum. It was gifted to me by my Dad. It was his service revolver when was at Dallas police dept. in the 70’s. Model 57. I let a gunsmith ( family member) put a hogue rosewood grip on it and cerykote it. ( natural blue color). As well as a nice trigger job on the DA. It’s fast and fun. It’s my out west fly fishing gun.

Thank you for the commentary. Good job Roy. You are getting better in front of the camera. I have a constructive idea. Perhaps use a script for certain parts. Like memorizing the components of the meat target or the structure of reading the chronograph results. It might help to read the lines several times before recording. We all remember when Paul was new to the camera. It took awhile to get to where he had it down pat. No worries. Yall keep making them. I will keep watching. Thank you for continuing the channel. This is one of the only reliable no BS firearms channels on the internet.

@Thecarboardking

Ай бұрын

Definitely, he will only get better from here, can’t wait to see what sense of humor will blossom from Mr. Harrell

Hard to fill Paul's shoes but his brother is really trying 👍🏼

@tristantimothy1004

Ай бұрын

Paul had decades to do his thing. This guys new but im betting in no time he will be just as smooth. Newbies are always kinda stiff at first. We ALL are.

@Estinus

Ай бұрын

​@@tristantimothy1004 Well said. He will come into his own with presentation and style if he keeps up the hard work.

@lesflynn4455

Ай бұрын

Yes they're big shoes to fill. I believe he'll do it. There's no Paul replicant but Roy will fill that niche in his own way.

@AshGreen359

Ай бұрын

I'm noticing he's starting to sound more like Paul in this video. Give him time, he's new to this.

@andystampfli9127

Ай бұрын

Guys Roy isn't Paul but Roy is who Paul asked to take over when his health made him unable to keep doing videos. Roy is doing just fine. He's definitely getting more comfortable doing the videos. ...and don't forget, Roy is learning how to do all of this while his brother is dealing with health.

You're doing a great job! You're standing on your own now. Thanks for this video

You can get over 1000lbs of energy out of the .41 magnum. Underwood and Buffalo Bore is the way to go.

@allens4974

Ай бұрын

I think I would want to be careful with chamber pressures for newer ammo such as Buffalo Bore in older firearms. I know that it is not advised to use "hot loads" in my classic 30-30, where they are acceptable to use in the modern rifle.

@cw2a

Ай бұрын

Same said for all calibers. But ESPECIALLY for the 10mm. We all SHOULD KNOW its SEVERLY NEUTERED with most commercial loadings... 1200/200 is accepted as proper 10mm full house load.

@sinisterthoughts2896

Ай бұрын

​@@allens4974 .41 is not that old of a cartridge, 30-30 is around 130 years old, and back then they were still using iron in some firearms.

@elpd46

Ай бұрын

Absolutely! Buffalo Bore is no joke!

Thats a great angle at 9:00, definitely more of that

Just wanted to say you’re really coming into your own as a presenter and I look forward to seeing more and more of your personality come out :)

Oh thank God--you just saved me from another Jon Benet documentary

@andrew42000

Ай бұрын

💯

@shawnr771

Ай бұрын

The off switch can do that.

@upnorthvlogs

Ай бұрын

Did they ever find out who killed the little girl?

@fruckles

Ай бұрын

Sometimes the off switch, is just an off brand Nintendo handheld. ☕🐝🇺🇸

@coleramus561

Ай бұрын

@@upnorthvlogs never did find out--never even bothered to run all the DNA they found

25 seconds in and I just want to say thank you and bless the family Harrell

The 10mm FPE measurement should be 527

For me the reason 10mm is attractive isn't so much the power in a modern semi auto handgun it's the versatility. If I buy a magnum revolver, because of its shortcomings it serves one purpose, dangerous game. If I get a 10mm I can have different loads with vastly different performance. Lightweight 95gr G9 external hollow point is moving fast and can defeat soft armor while having better carry through than the same stuff in 9mm. 160-180 grain JHP at standard velocity for two legged threats. 200-220 grain hardcast Buffalo Bore loaded hot for your four legged predators and barrier penetration. While a 10mm wouldn't be my first choice when traveling into grizzly territory it can still get the job done while serving me better than a magnum revolver for everyday use where the biggest threat out there isn't a wild animal. As they say if you try to make something do everything it won't be good at anything, but I'm fine with the downsides the 10mm has like lower capacity, greater weight and recoil to have one gun that is at least capable in more aspects than a 9mm even if it doesn't fully replace a .44 magnum. On top of that I'm sure a lot of people would rather buy one gun in 10mm than a 9mm pistol and a magnum revolver just to save money.

Thank you for this great work. A little hello from a small shooting club in the Somme, France, where we have been following this KZread channel for several years. Thank you for being here.

@dimains6011

Ай бұрын

That's awesome. What kind of firearms are you able to shoot over there? I'm from southern U.S.

Thanks Roy your doing great considering the shoes you have to fill!! Keep up the good work!

Thanks for video. Praying for Paul. Keep doing what you do.

Thanks, Roy! Great information.

I sit down after work and see this video posted 26 seconds ago about the 3 different cartridges I conceal carry. Perfect way to start the weekend.

@-Zevin-

Ай бұрын

interesting, I myself am firmly in the 9mm is the best conceal carry cartridge, because of modern bullet design and ammo capacity. However I always like to see new takes and ideas, not looking to argue of course, just interested in why you chose these calibers to conceal carry, it's certainly unorthodox.

@jdoerr779

Ай бұрын

@@-Zevin- If you train, you have more leeway to make interesting but ignorant carry decisions. Been leaving my G19 with a TLR1 at home in favor of my five shot snubnosed .38 special lately. Poor choice for sure but .38 special is interesting. During the winter time I occasionally concealed carry my Redhawk in .45 Colt with 250gr hollow points at 1400fps. Just cause. That’s the real answer. People can justify unorthodox carry options but at the end of the day, 9mm is probably the best option for pretty much everyone that isn’t in bear country.

@N0sf3r4tuR1s3n

Ай бұрын

​@@jdoerr779well .38 special is just fine so long as the largest dangerous animal you expect to encounter is a ravenous coyote or a very territorial pitbull that got loose.

@N0sf3r4tuR1s3n

Ай бұрын

​@@-Zevin-9mm should be fine for two legged aggressors and four legged ones up to a certain size- it all depends on where you live.

@-Zevin-

Ай бұрын

@@N0sf3r4tuR1s3n Honestly 9mm is really ok for bear defense too, The Vortex podcast had a good episode on this, and so did Ron Spomer Outdoors, where he actually interviewed a Alaskan master hunting guide who killed a Grizzly with 9mm. Biggest factor is bullet choice, hard cast 9mm actually has exceptionally good penetration, but you would be in big trouble using defensive ammo or hollow points.

Thank you!

I love 10 mm

@Elthenar

Ай бұрын

Yup. It a magnum power round with a nice flat trajectory that can still fit into a high capacity autoloader.

@jaycee30865

Ай бұрын

I’m partial to 1cm. Heck, .1dm is even better.

Finally, this channel acknowlegdes the .41 magnum 👍

Roy is getting more comfortable with video presentations and seems to be having fun with the meat target. He also handles recoil better than I do. Good video!

Great video! I think you did a good job considering you have big shoes to fill. I’ll definitely watch and give ya chance. Very interesting and great topic.

Cool video! Thanks for making it. Needless to say, your toast if you get hit with any of those (body armor or not). There was a website I visited a while ago called Truth About Guns. They tested 44 magnum, 357 magnum, and other calibers on body armor. They used a clay block to simulate a human upper body. They took the armor off after shooting it with 44 magnum and 357 magnum. Both left MASSIVE craters in the clay. That website and this video really illustrate the gravity of being hit by something with close to 1000 ft lbs of kinetic energy.

Glad to see the channel continue! You did just fine Roy. The .41 Rem Mag is one of my favorites. Glad to see it in the comparison :) Thanks! Best wishes and prayers.

Hello Mr. Harrell

How is Paul? Thanks for the video! I have .44 and had a .401 Herter

I've always been a fan of the .41 Magnum, just because it was different. One negative about the early Remington lead .41 Magnum round was Remington choosing a very soft lead bullet alloy that cause severe leading.

Ft lbs energy calculation was off for 10mm. 200gr bullet at 1089ft/s is 526ftlbs

@smartfreak7105

Ай бұрын

Not to mention most of us carry something hotter than that. I like how Paul always tries to use the same brand for comparisons, but most 10mm fanatics carry hand loads or boutique loads that push over 1200 fps at higher grain counts

@jdoerr779

Ай бұрын

@@smartfreak7105 10mm is a lot like my all time favorite cartridge, 45 Colt. If you do not handload, I do not recommend it.

In the 1980s, my younger brother was an apprentice for John Applegate, who was one of the last true bulletsmiths, and during that time you could call companies like Sierra, Speer and Nosler to to talk with bullet technicians. If you needed a specific load for a certain cartridge or needed actual comparison of different cartridges these technicians would send computer printed information. My brother and I asked for detail information on .44mag vs .41mag. The .41mag outperforms the .44mag down range regardless of barrel length. The .41mag is the ideal big bore and my personal favorite.

@henryrodgers1752

Ай бұрын

Thank you for posting that. The .41 is my personal favorite as well and my everyday carry in an S&W model 58.

@Jack-xy2pz

Ай бұрын

Using .41 specials ?

@tristantimothy1004

Ай бұрын

Doug, ya, IF one can handle that God awful snap just like the 357 has. Love the 41 but the " Kaboom" of the 44 is so much nicer to the ears when you dont have time to put on your earmuffs.

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

Ай бұрын

You're ignoring projectile weight here. While some .41 Magnum loads can compare favorably to some .44 Magnum loads when speaking of 240gr projectiles and 6" barrels, the heaviest .410 projectiles I know of for .41 Magnum is 275gr, which you can't even get off the shelf, 265gr is the heaviest which Buffalo Bore themselves offer for the cartridge. Meanwhile, they also offer a load of .44 Magnum which puts out a whopping 340gr projectile at 1350fps from a 6" barrel, which .41 Magnum just cannot reach. That .019 difference sure seems to add up with case volume and projectile mass, more powder is more powder, and more mass is more mass.

@douglasalcorn8627

Ай бұрын

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Lyman did make a cast for 300gr in the .41mag at one time. 210gr jhp and Keith style hard cast bullets in 235gr, 245gr are what works in my revolvers and levers.

Howdy Roy, tell Paul we miss him and we're here watching while he's taking care of himself!

Decades back, I had an S&W M&P model, 4 inch barrel, in 41 mag. Comfortable recoil, bigger than a .357, easier to shoot than a 44 mag. It was sufficient for any use I wanted it to do. No complaints at all. Sorry I sold it. Because it was bought in the pre-reg days.

Your brother Paul did a comparison of Federal 10mm vs 40 S&W ammo and ballistics were virtually the same. So ammo companies are charging a premium for a 'magnum' cartridge when in fact their performance is almost the same as a non-magnum one. From what I've read, in order to get true magnum performance from a 10mm, loading your own cartridges is about the only way one can achieve it unless you go to someone like Buffalo Bore.

@DirtFlyer

Ай бұрын

Double Tap also makes 10 mm rounds that are advertised to be about 900 ft/lbs.

Thanks for the enlightening video, Roy! God bless you and Paul.

Elmer Keith has many articles about the .41 magnum. Remington was supposed to have developed a .41 special before releasing the .41 magnum. And at the time, sales of the .44 magnum sales were down because people didn't like the recoil.

@ricks4468

Ай бұрын

And then came Dirty Harry, and you couldn’t find a Model 29 in a gun shop for 10 years. Used model 29s sold for black market prices. Clint Eastwood was Smith & Wesson’s top salesman until Bill Clinton was elected.

@stephen-ng

Ай бұрын

Try 500 S&W Magnum. You'll wind up like Martin Short in Three Amigos (when he duels the German pilot).

@Kapt.Krunch

Ай бұрын

@stephen-ng I'm good. I have a Ruger Blackhawk in .41 mag just like what's in this video. I don't have a want or need for anything bigger than that. The biggest downside to the .41 is that you are going to have to reload because the ammo is hard to find.

Roy, Paul Thanks for the video Looking forward to many more

The manufacturers are not loading the 10mm to its full capacity, they are loading it like it's a 40 SW +p. Great video thanks!

@gvines

Ай бұрын

Exactly so why bother. I like 357 sig for auto and 44 mag for wheel guns

@dashcammer4322

Ай бұрын

Well most aren't, but some do full power SAAMI spec.

@mattpatterson9128

Ай бұрын

Same as the .45's on the market. I've resigned myself to just buy Double Tap. Buffaloe Bore, Underwood, and hornady now. Yeah beats up my wallet a little, but, i want quality now, so, i pay more.

Appreciate the content. I know it takes a lot of work.. I really enjoy it and learn. Thank you

Excellent work, sir. Thank you

Math's off, 10mm is closer to 500 ft-lbs, not 220.

@aldousorwell3807

Ай бұрын

No s*it!... ...220 is like *380Acp range,* isnt it??.😂

@happycamper9300

Ай бұрын

You are right. I just make the calculation and get 526 FPE

@YouTubeHandlesAreMoronic

Ай бұрын

First thing I noticed. Oops. Oh well, only human...

@the_bunse

Ай бұрын

THanks I thought I was going mad it made no sense.

@codaktakman7636

Ай бұрын

Not a 10mm man myself but I agree and believe it's over 500

We used to head out hunting hogs in Texas with our pistols. Everyone had a .44 mag except one guy. He had a .41 mag. The hogs never knew the difference. Never saw anyone hunt with a 10mm or any other caliber in our group.

An online calculator puts the 10mm energy at 527 foot pounds. 217 is less than what a 9mm is.

@georgesheffield1580

Ай бұрын

The 10 is closer to the power of a 357 mag or 357 sig than it is to a 41 or 44 .

@adrianw3985

Ай бұрын

@@georgesheffield1580 I am not sure you watched this. I was pointing out that his math was wrong in the video. The math he used, put his 10mm results less than the 9mm in power. He said in the video that he got 217 ft pound energy with the 10mm, which I was pointing out would be less than a 9mm.

So glad you did the test.

Paul I miss you I enjoy watching Roy. You are the best I think no one sticks to the facts like you. No bs I will miss your videos and you best wishes.

Good demonstration & explanation of the history of the .41 Magnum. Thank you & the Crew.

0:45 Still watching vid but Roy's example of good Range safety is something many KZread "gun" channels seem to ignore.

@garymitchell5899

Ай бұрын

Safety is about being safe, not telling you it's safe.

That 10mm energy foot lbs seems wayyyyyyy off.

Thanks for the video! I've often wondered "why" when it came to the 41 magnum

I bought a S&W Model 57 back in 1975. There was also a Model 58 with a 4 inch barrel and fixed sights, more suitable for law enforcement. There were two loads at the time, a police load at 210 grains lead SWC and 950 fps, and a hunting load at 210 grains jacketed hollow point and 1500 fps. The police load felt like a hot .357, the hunting load was something else. The reason the police load failed was that it over penetrated, and was soon dropped by law enforcement. That’s the main reason .41 mag didn’t catch on. Because of over penetration, it wasn’t an improvement over .357.

I have carried a 10mm for the better part of the last 2 decades in a 1911, specifically a Kimber Eclipse Custom II, it is a great gun and I quite like it. Up at our place in Montana we can frequently get black bears and big cats in the area, and I have confidence that the 10mm will get what needs done done if I have to square up with one. That being said, if I am going into grizzly country, the 10mm stays home, the .44 magnum comes with me.

@PaulHarrell

Ай бұрын

Sounds about right.

Interesting Caliber selection👍🏻🇺🇲

Really enjoyed the presentation and learning more about the history of the .41 Magnum. It is a good cartridge, and I feel like at this point it would probably be possible to make a large frame .41 that held seven rounds instead of six, which would be a leg up on the competition in one respect. Thank you Roy and Crew!

@ricks4468

Ай бұрын

The thing about the 41 mag is it is a handloaders dream. The extra “ meat” between the chambers in a 41 mag cylinder is an advantage over the . 44mag. It can be loaded to higher pressures before catastrophic failure. The . 357 case is small enough to squeeze a 7 th chamber in an N frame cylinder. The X frame may be large enough to get 7 41 mag chambers, but I doubt it would sell. Freedom Arms sold a . 41 mag as a 5 shooter. Now THAT baby has some serious steel separating the cylinders!! It can accept pressures that would disassemble other revolvers. I think we are stuck with six shooters, unless we talk PCCs. Henry makes a 41 I think. But that’s another story.

@brianemig729

Ай бұрын

@@ricks4468 Good stuff. I thought a 7-round .41 would be feasible given that Smith and Wesson, Ruger and Taurus all currently offer 8-round .357's. But I'm just guessing.

Fantastic concept for comparison and presentation (as always), Roy!

Awesome job great video

Good job, Roy

great video. living in bear country I carry either a 6" 41 magnum or a 1911 FS 10mm when in the woods. I was a little surprised though I thought the 41 would compare a little better to the 44. thanks again for the caliber comparisons you are doing a great job and hope you keep doing it my best to Paul.

@Yetified_Mayhem

Ай бұрын

I get it. I have Grizz here in Idaho. I carry what's reliable for me. Its piece of mind so I can stay out longer in the back country.

Roy, good information. I carried both the 41 magnum and the 10mm when I was working the street. I had the utmost confidence in both of them. I have owned several 44 magnums , too much recoil for duty use. With your first revolver shots on this video your finger stays inside the trigger guard. As soon as you come off target, finger should immediately go to high register. Also best results with a revolver are obtained when the trigger is pulled through smoothly without staging. You’re improving with every new video. Best of luck. Regards and respect to Paul

That is some anemic 10mm you have. I have heard that most commercial 10mm ammo is loaded light because people complained about the recoil.

@dashcammer4322

Ай бұрын

Yeah it's like Remington green box 180 gr FMJ, super yawner loads, relatively speaking. Full-pressure SAAMI spec 10mm loads should get you at least 650 ft lbs at the muzzle out of a 4.6" barrel.

@TheREALLibertyOrDeath

Ай бұрын

Plus most 10mm 1911s have an unsupported chamber

@tristantimothy1004

Ай бұрын

Ya, thoes " people" were all women in the FBI after they ditched the 9mm after the utter failures during the Miami Dade incident the feds adopted the 10mm. Because of that supposidly the case was shortened to the 40 S&W w less recoil. Still too much for the Federal girls so now theyre back to the 9mm. However, ammo for the 9s has improved radically & is far better than it was back then. Gotta keep the feminists happy. P.C. bullshyt.

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

Ай бұрын

A lot of 10mm ammo is loaded like .40 S&W because a lot of manufacturers are cheating and using hollowpoints designed for .40 S&W speeds, projectiles which would have serious problems with over expansion if going at proper 10mm speeds. This is why some of them will claim that "10mm is more effective" at lower speeds, because they're dishonest.

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

Ай бұрын

@@TheREALLibertyOrDeath That can sort of be an issue, but that also depends on how hot you're loading, and which 1911s. Some people think that Colt Delta Elite 1911s can only safely handle FBI loads of 10mm, but that's not true at all, you just can't go full Elmer Keith with them.

We were going through my mom’s things. She passed recently. She carried her Glock 26 or her 357 revolver in a Playtex living holster.

@jimmyrustler8983

Ай бұрын

Sorry for your loss 🙏

Great video Roy and thanks for the history lesson! I remember at a range years ago a guy had two of those 41 magnums in stainless. I'm thinking they were Smith & Wesson I can't remember. One was a snubby, like about a 2-inch Barrel, while the other one was about a 6-inch barrel. We were plinking and he said you want to try these? Sure, I took a shot with both and believe it or not, that snub nose was more accurate than the 6-inch for some reason in my hands. At one time I owned the Smith & Wesson model 29 with the 8 3/8 inch barrel and it had a Redfield scope on a Lupold mount with Pachmayr grips. That was a good firearm, super accurate and it didn't have that much recoil because of the length of the barrel, but man that thing packed a wallop. l set up two 16 inch cinder blocks and bust them into pieces. Trade it off to a friend of mine to rebuild a motor in a 71 Chevelle. I miss the gun, and the car as well. I will say I had a model 66 s&w that I used to qualify with back in the old days with those nice checkered grips on it. Well they didn't say that we'd be firing about 300 rounds of police reload ammunition at full power 357. By the end of the qualification course my hands were pretty much hamburger from all those checkered grips! I think that was around 1991 and the Glock had just become popular, the instructor loved it and was telling us all about the thing. A friend told me the way that they got them into the police department was the demo guy for Glock shot the center out of a target. They then took it up on a helicopter and dropped it out, then proceeded to tie it to the back of a police car with a wire coat hanger, dragging it to the range behind the car. When they got there and on the firing range everyone was examining it and it turned out that part of the sights, being plastic had worn away. The finish was pretty scuffed up too and the demonstration guy said who wants to fire it and not a single person wanted to touch the thing. He said okay everybody plug your ears and he proceeded to cut the center out of the target again. They pretty much ditched the revolvers after that and went with the Glock 17.

Thanks for the videos Roy!

I have fired the 44 mag and the 41 mag side by side and I couldn't tell much difference as far as recoil and muzzle blast goes. Paper ballistics say the 41 kicks 10% less but I really can't feel the difference. I could get by very well with either one. Having said that, it's like the 44 mag is a computer with more games and soft-ware available for it than the 41mag has. Why handicap myself with a caliber that's hard to find ammo for?

@peternorton5648

Ай бұрын

That’s how I am. Whenever I look at a gun to buy I shop around to see ammo prices and availability before I purchase it. I’ve got a couple wall hangers from long ago purchases that are too hard to find ammo for anymore.

Boring Saturday. no anymore you saved the day with a new video.. Thanks.

44mag and 10mm with hot loads. 10mm 1911 and glocks are amazing! 44mag revolver is awesome. Every armory should have one of each

The largest benefit of 10mm is it's in an autoloading pistol. I know the math is off but thats about what a .40 can get 526/527ftlbs and a 10mm can usually shoot atound 300fps faster. The hard part with 10mm is finding properly loaded bullets that aren't just a 40 in a larger case!

ftlbs=grains*v^2/450240 so 526.8 ftlbs

A very dear friend of mine (about half a generation older) started his LEO career in a major city in my southern state back during a very tumultuous time (mid 1970s). He and his partner were assigned an area where, let's just say their lightly melanated skin did not fit in but made them great targets. He and his partner both carried S&W Model 58 .41 magnums. I asked if they carried magnums or the police load. He told me they carried handloads intended for carbines (170 grain JHP that would do about 2200 fps from a carbine). Yes, they were hard on the gun (he had me shoot some a few years ago and they really weren't that much harder on the hand than the standard magnum loads). I asked why they took the risk of handloads on duty and he said: 1. It was the '70s and no one cared. 2. We had 6 rounds in our guns, 12 more on our belts we were not going to have time to get to, and there were a lot more of them than there were of us, so we didn't want to have to shoot anyone more than once. To be fair, the one time he used his, and the several more times his older, more experienced partner had used his, they worked quite well for fast stops. Overall the .41 magnum was a great idea except the N-frame it came in meant you had to be a pretty big dude to tote it around all day, let along handle it well, whereas the .357 magnum could be had in a K-frame that fit more average sized hands. That, and it honestly came a bit late to the scene. By the time it would have caught on we were using semi-autos.

@garymitchell5899

Ай бұрын

Cool story bro, needs more dragons

@henryrodgers1752

Ай бұрын

Good post! Your somewhat older friend’s experiences parallel mine, in terms of efficacy. My own career spanned from 1969 through 2003. Yeah, I’m that old😅

Awesome production Roy!

I learned something new, I´ve never heard about the .41 Magnum caliber. Job well done, team.

Ill never give up my 1986 657! 41 for life.

My math comes up with something more like 526 fpe from the 10mm. 218 fpe is like a 38 Special +P.

@waynemensen4252

Ай бұрын

Don't look at others' comments.

@autumnfragrance6326

Ай бұрын

218 ft-lbs is like 380ACP. 38+P is like 265 ft-lbs.

@SCAxman

Ай бұрын

@@autumnfragrance6326 I think black powder-era .38 spl loads were around 320-325, it was the Rohm-era Saturday Night Specials, along with very old handguns, that forced SAAMI to lower .38 spl to where it is today.

@YOUneedJESUS1

Ай бұрын

Maybe out of a .75in barrel. +p 38 special is normally 150gr at 1000fps out of 6in barrel or 330fpe

Love the energy!!!!!💯🙏🏼 all the best Matt!! Paul if you see this stay strong 💯

Thank you Roy.

The trustworthy .44 magnum it has been around and tested very well. The .41 magnum is in the shadow of the .44 and give the experts something to play with. Love the .44 magnum!!!

6rds of 44 Mag = 6,570 FPE payload, 6rds of 41 Mag = 4794 FPE payload, 16rds of (less than full power) 10mm = 8416 FPE payload. Couple that with the quick mag change of my Glock 20 and it’s a no brainer for me. Now settle down folks I said “for me”! Nice video though, thanks for keeping the channel going!!!

Love that you stepped in to continue the mission to educate! Thank you so much!

I’m glad to see you test the 41 mag on the meat target. I’ve always preferred the 41 to either the .44 or .357. But I’m a handloader, so my target load sends a 210 gr SWC at about 1000 fps and is very manageable in an N frame Smith. Seat a 210 gr JHP on that same load, and you are pretty much duplicating that 10mm test round. That same 210 gr bullet will step out at over 1500 fps on full power loads for serious performance. Recoil is impressive but manageable with full power loads. Moderate power loads are ideal for edc. As you show, the .44 is more powerful, even with a light for caliber bullet. It is probably the right choice for someone not interested in handloading, and needing a powerful caliber.