Yea! I got the right answer. I have not forgotten how to do this, and I'm almost 90 yrs old. I had great teachers!!

@no-oneinparticular7264

10 ай бұрын

I'm 70, so just a youngster, but got it right too. Now for some Trigonometry.. .

@lauriepowell3959

10 ай бұрын

70, too, got it!👍

@martinphilip8998

10 ай бұрын

Going on 70 so I gave two answers just in case. 😂 My dad was the Father of New Math.

@Bess9779

10 ай бұрын

We get it right because we went to schools that actually taught subjects rather than social ideology. Lol.

@alissagonzales735

10 ай бұрын

This was easy for me and I am kissing 80 next week.

I always had a hard time with math. After I got out of the Air Force, I went to a local college and the teacher was wonderful. He could explain things so simply, I wondered why I never got it in the first place. A teacher has a lot to do with how well slower students grasp the subject matter. I will never forget this man. His wife was also a math teacher.

@shanthageorge7413

10 ай бұрын

Yes. A teacher should be able to help even the weakest of the weak in the class. That was a "must" for the teachers where I taught in the Primary section.

@mandeemckenzie537

10 ай бұрын

100% it all starts with the teacher and the attitude!! It takes a certain teacher to make it click!!! So true!!!

@bendover3820

10 ай бұрын

I got stuck @ Trinomials...

@rascal211

10 ай бұрын

Math is easy. Just practice it and learn the rules/tricks to solve the problems.

@Sara.Rose.

10 ай бұрын

I agree 💯.. a really good teacher is one who makes things understandable and simple for each & everyone in the class

So finally, at 64 next Monday I had never heard of PEMDAS. I ALWAYS said, "I must have missed something in 4th grade!" This has been embarrassing all my life, not knowing this. Especially being a computer college professor. My co-worker, a math professor could never figure out how I could do that and not know this! I retired last year but I am texting her with so much excitement!! If she just would have told me about PEMDAS (Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally.) In your, I'll call it, "Many Will Get Wrong" Series I just got 2 right in a row. You just don't (maybe others will) know the feeling of joy and not being stupid. I always knew the basic 4 +×÷- but never able to do these kind of problems. I hope there are more like this. I read in the comments, from someone who knew this and said why does it take 13 minutes to get the answer?? Cuz we didn't know PEMDAS!! Bless you John! ❤

My math teacher always said to think of the operations as different tiers. Brackets, braces, and parenthesis are the highest tier, so they are done first. Powers/exponents are the second highest tier, so they are done second. Multiplication and division are the third highest tier, so they are done third while addition and subtraction are the lowest tier, so they are done last. And everything is done left to right.

@erikaverink8418

5 ай бұрын

So the answer is 25 (people make it sometimes to difficult) If there where braces () it would be 1.

In Australia I was taught BODMAS with B meaning Brackets - ( ), and O meaning Order - square root or indices. Division and Multiplication are of equal importance, so should be completed in order of left to right. It is the same with Addition and Subtraction. My answer would also be 25.

@MrTimjm009

10 ай бұрын

Exactly what I was taught in UK

@johnwilson5743

10 ай бұрын

Yes way we learnt in New Zealand (BODMAS)

@royliuhm

10 ай бұрын

Learned BODMAS in Singapore too.

@jesperlykkeberg7438

10 ай бұрын

Which is wrong.

@haasteagle4925

10 ай бұрын

@@jesperlykkeberg7438 No, you are wrong. Watch the video again. Multiplication and Division have equal standing so they are therefore carried out from left to right in the order they appear. Likewise Addition and Subtraction have equal standing and are carried out L-R in the order they appear. So 5 + 4 x 4 ÷ 2 - 3 can be rewritten as: 5 + (4 x 4) ÷ 2 - 3 5 + (16 ÷ 2) - 3 5 + 8 - 3 = 10

I tested at a 12th grade level in reading and math in the 6th grade. got 4 A's in basic math as a freshman in high school. that's all we had to take. I was done in 10 minutes while the rest of the class took the whole period. you would think the teacher would have encouraged me to take advanced math classes but never even suggested it. he wasn't a teacher, he was a babysitter.

@bluefidle

10 ай бұрын

Same here. I was chastised for asking a question in algebra class. I always ranked in state tests etc. but was never encouraged to go to college. No counselors in my poorer fam community school.

@johnb-us6bf

10 ай бұрын

Maybe both of you did not use proper PRONOUNS!! School is not about education anymore it is about indoctrination!! LOL

@michaelmacpherson-wm6mh

10 ай бұрын

@@johnb-us6bf class of '78. we only had boys and girls when I went to school.

@jannh29

10 ай бұрын

@michaelmacpherson-wm6mh and bluefidle, I am so very, very sorry that your teachers did not affirm your capabilities and encourage, and even help you, to further develop your skills.

@michaelmacpherson-wm6mh

10 ай бұрын

@@jannh29 I know nothing about algebra at all. may as well be Chinese. I think geometry would have been interesting to learn.

Mr. Math KZread Professor! This time I got 25 as the answer without using a calculator. I followed PEMDAS. You have great teaching methods. Kudos!

@urrywest

8 ай бұрын

Its all adds.

@arthurhague4205

4 ай бұрын

Wow!

@Ed19601

3 ай бұрын

You could follow PEMDAS and still come to 1. All depends on how you interpret PEMDAS. In PEMDAS multiplication comes before Division, and then there are people who say, 'yeah but even in PEMDAS they are equal, so you do them left to right, after the Parenthesis and exponents.

@christopherlanza

3 ай бұрын

​@@Ed19601yea i followed it in order glad 1 got some remeidial math here

Pemdas....I took geometry as a sophomore but am 52 now....got to keep fresh 25 is the answer aunt sally! I honestly never heard of pemdas till now in your videos but it is helpful.

@patriciamillin1977

Ай бұрын

I had never heard of it before, either, despite being in Grammar School (in England the highest secondary school after primary school). I just always knew that brackets and exponents came first. I later moved to Germany and took a maths course. There I learned what they refer to as “point calculation (M and/or D) before line calculation (A and/or S)”, which is basically PEMDAS (multiplication is indicated with a simple . in Germany, as opposed to an x and division is indicated with a colon :, which confused me terribly at first, but hence the “point calculation”).

So many words for such simple and straightforward task.

@WesleyP75loveshoustonsports

10 ай бұрын

I was thinking the exact same thing..

@tomterific390

10 ай бұрын

Pad it out to over 10 min for that sweet, sweet monetization.

@detroittigersandotherbaseb7220

9 ай бұрын

But the words you use mean nothing

@porisfeinprant7786

6 ай бұрын

exactly! 👍

@micheleandhenrycasavant386

5 ай бұрын

@bujgirl did in fifty words what he couldn't in eleven minutes. lol

I was taught BIDMAS (In the UK) B - Brackets I - Index / Indices D - Division M - Multiplication A - Addition S - Subtraction However, we were told to keep in mind that addition, subtraction and multiplication, division (opposite operations) are on the same levels, so if they should appear, just solve from left to right! Have a nice day!

@garrysysling445

10 ай бұрын

There are no brackets and the answer is 1 it's obvious

@topkatz58

10 ай бұрын

​@garrysysling445 I disagree. The answer is 25. If you are using PEMDAS, you are applying it incorrectly. Multiplication and Division, if present in the same equation, are of the SAME level. And therefore you do them in the order in which they appear from LEFT to RIGHT. In this case DIVISION is done FIRST not MULTIPLICATION.

@mongrel1799

10 ай бұрын

And this becomes one of the many reasons why mathematics are loathed by myriad students. This problem isn't testing one's knowledge of true arithmetic principles, it's trying figure out if you can apply some hair-brained acronym and then remember the "special rule" that makes the two letters equal, so just do it left to right. What a crock... if you want the answer of 25, write the problem as (10 / 2) x 5. I mean, what's a few keystrokes between friends, right?@@topkatz58

@JnitraM078

10 ай бұрын

@StiyaShanthan Yes, it has the same meaning as PEMDAS. P=B and E=I in our different acronyms. M and D same level. A and S same level. When it's simplified, work left to right.

@nortonkelly8460

10 ай бұрын

They didn't say there are brackets, they were simply stating how they were taught@@garrysysling445

Thank you for having these videos explaining PEMDAS because explaining the grouping of MD and AS has helped me as a teacher. I can now explain it correctly to my students. 😊😊😊

I'm 67, retired English teacher. I chose the correct answer, 25, because you're a good teacher. From your teaching, I know to go from left to right, AND the M and D in PEMDAS means which ever comes first. In my head I wrote (10/2)5=25.

In short, PEMDAS doesn't mean squat, or, more exactly, it means left to right except where it doesn't. Real helpful.

@jonathanraven5939

10 ай бұрын

I agree

@jonathanraven5939

10 ай бұрын

This is absolutely BS. If you have a rule PEMDAS, then it should be followed, and to support your argument you totally disregard the rule

@sickandtiredofbeingsickand

10 ай бұрын

​​@@jonathanraven5939So you don't understand the rule. Got it. He just explained it for you.

@billb7583

2 ай бұрын

I thought I knew it.

@patriciamillin1977

Ай бұрын

@HarryHewitt-lh8xxIt is if you just bear in mind that M and D are one group, both operators with equal priority, so whichever comes first is solved first. The same applies to A and S.

Hubby and I in our late 70!’s Both looked at it at different times and said 25! Then thought wonder what the new math comes up with. There must be a trick to it we thought. Old math wins! 😂

@avalerie4467

10 ай бұрын

Lol. The comment section is confusing to me. Straight forward operation, no paratheses. One obvious answer. I went to the k.i.s.s school. Keep it simple, stupid Yay, old maths and logic !!!

@techone72893

10 ай бұрын

There's no such thing as new math or old math. There really hasn't been any changes in math for hundreds of years. What HAS changed is the method for teaching it and the way teachers approach teaching the subject. Instead of rote memorization which was the way for longer than most of us have been alive, they have decided to teach students different ways of approaching math problems. The trouble is, they didn't teach these new methods to the parents, so the students are left with nobody to help them understand these concepts other than their overworked teachers, who themselves may, or may not, understand these new methods. Some academics somewhere thought it would be good to create this new system and call it Common Core. It was partly inspired by political and social issues rather than being a solely mathematical endeavor. The politically and socially motivated educators thought it would narrow the racial and socio-economic gaps between students. This is, of course, a terrible way to develop an educational system, especially a mathematical one. To further complicate things, the students being taught these new concepts are in for a rude awakening when they get to higher education and the work force, as both of those institutions still rely on the previous methods of doing math, so now students must relearn math the old way. Common Core must die and never be brought back. Teachers need to return to the old system so we can bring back the success we used to have. We can find other ways to solve the racial and socio-economic issues involved.

@oakmaiden2133

10 ай бұрын

We counted actual beans in primary school. The visual aspect helped me. Convoluted process gets lost in my head. Now I just tell people “don’t math at me” 😅😅😅

@Ed19601

3 ай бұрын

I am your generation and my old math tells me it is 1 🙂

I wanted to say thank you, I had my Aptitude test for C.A.F. today and your videos really helped me a lot on my math skills!

My intentions are to go back to school for my associates degree now that I'm retired. I always had a very tough time math. Maybe it was the teachers or me. Anywhere I loved your explanations I will be tuning in. Thank you!!

In India we grew up usingBODMAS. Brackets Off division multiplication addition subtraction.

@TheaKaSaToRi

10 ай бұрын

So nothing about exponents?

@reggieperrin8415

10 ай бұрын

@@TheaKaSaToRi The exponents is the O in BODMAS. Meaning "Orders" or "Power Of"

@kimmylex_

10 ай бұрын

In the Philippines we use PEMDAS to solve multiple equations

@pmw3839

10 ай бұрын

I grew up with BODMAS too, but I always thought it was division before multiplication, and addition before subtraction. Seems I was wrong all along, unless it is different for different countries. I am from the UK. But that is not to say everyone in the UK was taught that. I may have just misunderstood.

@dindoutrera5903

10 ай бұрын

25

I've always sucked at math. My motto is "Numbers are not my friends."😄 However, I did reach the answer of 25 with no problem....then waited nervously to see what you said.😬 I've never heard of PEMDAS.

@anng.4542

10 ай бұрын

The "P" in PEDMAS stands for "work inside the parentheses first", but the original problem doesn't have any.

@justinshelton5026

10 ай бұрын

We never learned PEDMAS. I learned this way , and before this was the old way that I still use. There’s no symbol I can find on my keyboard.

@gowdsake7103

10 ай бұрын

ditto

@randlecarr3257

10 ай бұрын

Me too. Biology was my friend

@iseeyou8781

10 ай бұрын

Great answer 🤣🤣

Simple if you have division, and multiplication work from left to right. So, 10÷2×5 (left to right) because, there is only division, and multiplication.

You explained this well, unlike some others on KZread. Would you do a more complex problem, say a mix of multiplacition, division, addition, and subtraction just to drive home the point. Thank you.

It is so much simpler to add parenthesis and everybody gets it.

I am a retired teacher. I made up a song about the order of operations for my students: Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally. She doesn’t know what to do first. Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally - Her memory is really the worst! Just remember Dear Aunt Sally When doing math homework tonight: Parentheses, Exponents, Multiply and Divide* Then Add and Subtract* *Left to Right!

@rtoguidver3651

10 ай бұрын

Poor Aunt Sally.!

@dave4507

10 ай бұрын

66 Here

@lillemorarvidsson3352

10 ай бұрын

0

Hello Sir, In a previous video, you referenced the pemdas rule inside of the parentheses, wherein the M & D were equivalent in the hierarchy. The rule, per your instructions, states that the first operator in line in the equation is the one that will be used first. I am perplexed as to why now the hierarchy is different. Respectively submitted, Robert

@marshallpeters7174

5 ай бұрын

It's not different. It's done in the order they appear, in this case division, then multiplication. There really is no hierarchy in this equation, since the only operators used are of equal importance.

@tabletclass math, what is the software you're using for your virtual white board? That looks like something i could use in meetings at work. Thanks!

As a 58 year old Engineer, this is the best explanation of PEMDAS I have seen. Nice job I've had High School math teachers tell me that 25 is the wrong answer. Sad....

@xbman1

10 ай бұрын

Unless was written that way. 10/( 2 x 5 )=1 If it was written like this video. Than 25 is correct.

@BobbyJardine-vs8yc

10 ай бұрын

Because they didn't know BODMAS(from UK or EU).

@janesha3578

10 ай бұрын

1

@marleybone6615

10 ай бұрын

THANK YOU! The left to right decision regarding multiplication vs division and addition vs subtraction was never explained to me. I am 67. I always struggle with these little math challenges because I thought PEMDAS was 100% the order of operations.

@joepkortekaas8813

10 ай бұрын

@@xbman1 Actually, the way it's written is rather ambiguous.

Wow. I was taught PEMDAS. I was never told about the MD and AS exception. I thought the answer was 1. I'm almost 50. Not too late to learn. Thank you for this video!

@gowdsake7103

10 ай бұрын

really ? I am crap at maths but for me this was obviously 25

@Ephesians2_8-9

10 ай бұрын

I thought the answer was 1 too so you are not alone. Lol 😂

@jimpark5591

10 ай бұрын

LOL, I'm 56 and just learned it too! Better late than never! ;)

@1Corinthians15_1-4

10 ай бұрын

@@jimpark5591 To be quite honest, everything we have been taught, is a lie. I kid you not. We have been big time deceived by the “powers that be”. You must be born into God’s family to see with spiritual eyes, how the earth “shaped up” after Noah’s flood. It will blow you away.

@Ephesians2_8-9

10 ай бұрын

@@jimpark5591 Just to come back and check that my comment that I made to you got deleted. I know 100 percent that the censorship has hit the charts. Liars hate the truth. satan and his filthy demons know that their days are numbered and they don’t want anyone to know the truth.

Hello...do you have any videos on probability and statistics? I am an adult taking math again and your algebra lessons were so easy to understand. Was just checking here first to see if you had any videos. I don't see any but thought I would ask you. Is there another channel you could recommend for these subjects if you don't. Thanks!!

When I was at school late 1940 early 1950 we didnt use acronyms. I've never heard of them. We would do the maths in order of appearance. So the above would be 25. 10÷2×5=25 if the answer was to be 1, it would be written as 2×5÷10. And that's how it was back in the 1940s/1950s So much simpler then.

Multiplication and division have the same hierarchy in PEMDAS because they are basically the same operation. Dividing by 2 is the same as multiplying by 1/2. Likewise, subtracting a number is the same as adding its opposite. It helps to know WHY rules are the way they are instead of just memorizing IMHO.

@MR-lq7ss

10 ай бұрын

Especially when a prior set of rules has been used for years before PEMDAS was devised.

@MR-lq7ss

10 ай бұрын

@nancy668 They actually did change. Division and multiplication have same value. Parentheses first. Then mult. or division from left to right - whichever came first. In this case, division is first, so it's 10/2, then × 5.

@awillis244

10 ай бұрын

@@MR-lq7ssthe chicken came first😂

@awillis244

10 ай бұрын

@@Cancionera40I nevr heard of either, but got it right just doing L to R gave me 25

@edeledeledel5490

10 ай бұрын

@@awillis244 Eggsactly!

I received the best education ever in American history in the 1950's in Central Valley CA. This is such an easy math problem that does not need the acronym. Straight forward

@fideetfortitudine6599

10 ай бұрын

Me 2. Central Valley here.

@EllenLBuikema

10 ай бұрын

I taught elementary school students with learning disabilities. Using the acronym was especially helpful for them. Whatever works!

@sonjagatto9981

10 ай бұрын

I agree❣

@eagle-eye29

Ай бұрын

Too easy? Aren’t you special 😂

@kathycurtis6359

Ай бұрын

@@eagle-eye29 Jealous?

Great explanation. I've been retired for over 5 years and my math skills still haunt me. I managed to squeak through college with a BS in Business. Every math class I was required to take, I had to take it twice and sometimes more. To me, a math equation might as well be in Chinese writing - it makes no sense to me at all. It took me 5 attempts to pass Algebra with a D. It has always been a source of embarrassment to admit how bad I am in math (Not arithmetic - add subtract multiply and divide) it always has been wheat I refer to as "Abstract Math". I always felt that the problem with Math teachers was their complete inability to explain why or how I would need to know it. Wish I would have found you 55 years ago

@user-fv1lz4xg5q

5 ай бұрын

1

Ok, I'm doing this a 2nd time and my answer before hearing the PEMDAS is 25. I'll find out if I'm correct. I guess I'm going to subscribe again, but I'm going to stick with problems that appear easier before jumping in the deep end because if I ignore what you say that has nothing to do with the problem at hand, I AM learning again. Last night I was in tears over my incompetence, but today as I go through a few simple problems, repetition of the order of operations from L-R is actually giving me a little confidence. I don't like hearing right away that "most of you will get this wrong" because that convinces me that I will get it wrong. I heard enough negative things like that as a kid, and it stuck, so it made it very hard to believe in myself.

I am 73 years old. I went through the New Math era starting in the 8th grade (Fall 1963 to Spring 1964) and survived. I have a very good memory but I do not remember PEMDAS. I was able to to come up with the correct answer using another order of operations I learned somewhere along the way to graduating with a BSME in May of 1973.

@laurendoe168

10 ай бұрын

I'm 68, and I also learned under New Math... which I loved. (FYI: BODMAS is PEMDAS using different words.)

@zitherzon2121

10 ай бұрын

The New Math system was horrible and I believed it crippled many student's early understanding of basic algebra.and geometry. I know it did mine as I had to fill in the gaps by my own efforts.

@kalayne6713

10 ай бұрын

I am 71, and despite hating maths all my life, I got it right, by doing nothing fancy just starting at the beginning and continuing.I am a bit chuffed.

@zitherzon2121

10 ай бұрын

Your comment is exactly my point Bradley. PEMDAS was not taught in the "New Math". It was mostly group and ring theory along with mathematical "proofs" which was ridiculously pre mature for high school students.

@CynthiaWord-iq7in

10 ай бұрын

Me too Brad...the acronym didn't exist yet.

How many of you can still remember "BODMAS" that was taught in Maths class in our childhood days?

@psychedforlife7176

10 ай бұрын

I only knew PEMDAS

@shawnkearney2004

10 ай бұрын

How many of you actually learned math and not just acronyms and shortcuts?

@psychedforlife7176

10 ай бұрын

​@@shawnkearney2004not me 😢

@psychedforlife7176

10 ай бұрын

What do the B and O stand for?

@sbiswas2886

10 ай бұрын

B = Bracket O = Of

Watching all of the people in the comments still insist the answer is 1 even after it’s explained to them is infuriating

@ianz9916

5 ай бұрын

On the other hand, if you give them £1 in change instead of £25 they should be happy, and so will you.

Here in the UK, we use the acronym "BODMAS", which stands for: B-Brackets, O-Orders (powers/indices or roots), D-Division, M-Multiplication, A-Addition, S-Subtraction. Its similar to your acronym, but there's no swapping around of the letters to get the correct operation. That being said, what do you think of this one, I came across and can't seem to find the correct answer to: 9-6(1/3)+1=X I have been moving it around and trying different approaches to find the answer, but every answer I say, the person says "nope, that's not it!" Some help on this would be greatly appreciated thank you 😊

25 is the answer simply because you read the equation like a sentence from left to right. You would have to group 2 x 5 in brackets if you wanted to divide by the whole quantity of that product.

@dory9742

10 ай бұрын

Thank you for this! I was like well isn’t there supposed to be brackets? What if there is brackets? Lol 😂 school was a long time ago and I certainly forgot my math skills 😂☺️

@fiveoctaves

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, but apparently, some people believe PEMDAS is literally done in that order.

@scottguitar8168

10 ай бұрын

@@fiveoctaves That is true. I know when I was first taught this in class the teacher did explain the grouping of MD and AS could be done in either order. I am an engineer, so this stuff is etched into my mind.

@fiveoctaves

10 ай бұрын

@@scottguitar8168 Same for me. We had better teachers than some others...or some people didn't pay attention or forgot!

When I was in school many years ago, for clarity, every math problem included parentheses (n), brackets [n] and braces {n}, in that order. Engineers despise ambiguity. Everything must be precise for a given thing to work as expected. If it doesn't fly, we failed. Period.

@cdykstra6

10 ай бұрын

Agreed! Give me the parentheses. Even if I know the proper order of operations, I wouldn't assume that the person writing it knows the correct order and is conveying it properly. As an engineer, if something came to me like this, I would request written clarification.

@chillybbbee747

10 ай бұрын

We never learned order of operation in math and I had great math teachers from 6th grade on up. We used the parentheses, brackets, braces too. I graduated in 1986.

@reinerhoch1357

10 ай бұрын

@@cdykstra6 WOW and this out of the mouth of an engineer. You can write this 15/(4+1) and everything is fine but if you write this (10/2)X5 I would dearly doubt your profession, sure for an everday joe this may make sense and delete confusion but in as an engineer this looks highly unproffessional. Even worse if I give you this 10/2X5 and you ask for clarification I again would deeply doubt your profession and I couldn´t take you serious as an engineer anymore...

@nicklazzaro5055

10 ай бұрын

was just thinking this!.... This guy is an engineer and works with other engineers and is talking ab not knowing basic math and not trusting other engineers to know basic math. Scary.@@reinerhoch1357

@rgl168

Ай бұрын

One math teacher in Hong Kong was extremely strict. If you write down the statement (10 - (5 x 3)) + 2 you will get a big "X" and zero marks for your answer. It has to be [10 - (5 x 3)] + 2. Personally I find that a bit extreme - she basically cared more about form vs. function. In Canada I have not run into a teacher that will deduct marks for using the first example.

Thank you for the class!

I'm a math teacher and I always tough my students P ER MD AS 'R' for radicals. I also teach about the implied parentheses in something like 5/3+1 (written vertically with '3+1' in the denominator).

Don't forget folks, M and D are just inverses of each other and have the exact same priority. Same thing with A and S.

@JohnSmith-bq4vh

10 ай бұрын

I was told these 2 groups are reciprocal operations. Funny how mostly we all get the gist of the big picture, even though it was taught in different ways. The more linear that some were, the more wrong and confused they were with their equations. 👍

@fiveoctaves

10 ай бұрын

So some people were not taught that some powers of operations are equal and must be calculated left to right. What bad math teachers they had!

In school I learned pemdas P-parenthesis E-exponents M-multiply D-divide A-add S-subtract

@nicolaablett7790

10 ай бұрын

Never heard of this We just did it....

@georgemead6608

10 ай бұрын

That is why I always use parentheses to make it explicitly clear what I mean. Especially when I find myself reading code I wrote years ago.

@danc.5509

10 ай бұрын

This is important.... Because the answers are very different, depending on the way one is taught.

@Atheist_Rhapsody

10 ай бұрын

25?

@georgemead6608

10 ай бұрын

@@Atheist_Rhapsody (10/2)5

Regarding 6:15 PEMDAS. Division has equal order of operation as Multiplication, because Division is actually Multiplication by its reciprocal. Subtraction has equal order of operation as Addition, because Subtraction is actually negative Addition. This means PEMDAS (Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally) has equal order of operation as PEDMSA (Please Excuse Dear My Silly Aunt). In other words, PEMDAS = PEDMSA.

@jack002tuber

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. There is really no 10 / 2, it is 10 * (1/2) ---- You can go all thru algebra and calc without needing this more than the PEMA part and do well. Its the internet, youtube, social websites and memes that people argue forever about the rest.

The problem with the MDAS part is that in any real world application you should hopefully know which ones should be done first and then you'd indicate that with parenthesis. I certainly do this with any formula I put in a spreadsheet so I don't have to depend on the software doing things in the order I think it's going to. A lot of times it will also be obvious that an answer is wrong. If you want to know much food to divide among 10 people when two people each have five pounds you should know the order to do that and that the answer is not 25. Likewise, if it has taken you ten minutes to complete two tasks and you want to know how long it take to complete five more, you should know the order of that and that the answer is not one minute. The same thing would apply if there was a situation with addition or subtration, you'd think it through before doing the calculation. Students should not be confused with questions like these, but rather given a problem where those numbers actually represent something and there's a question to be answered. The purpose of learning math should be to know how to solve problems and answer questions, not to learn things that don't have any real world application unless you're going to be a math teacher.

@VSNxx

5 ай бұрын

Perfect my friend. The only comment here that makes sense. People just want to memorize rules without trying to think and understand the real world application of a calculation. Engineers are trained to think if the results makes sense while math teacher are trained to memorize rules of math operations.

At 68 and retired and hating math for most of my life I now find an interest in math. Looking back it may have had something to do with teaching methods. I have discovered that the math teacher is important.

@festeradams3972

10 ай бұрын

Me too, except for any new "interest". Made it thru a two year engineering degree because I understood the "Concepts" (even in Physics). The one thing in later years I learned, was that "Math" is just a Tool; not an end in itself, not unless you're "intuitive", then more power to them. The late Physicist Richard Feynman, pointed out something too regarding "teachers"...most all math is taught Wrong! He's well worth looking up here on the "Tube", as a side note, he worked on the Manhattan Project as well, and had quite a sense of humor...he took great delight in putting Top Secret Papers back on the desktop of one of the top scientists after he had locked them up in a drawer before leaving for the night (lap drawer firmly locked). Feynman finally told him how he did it....just reached up and around the lap drawer and pulled them out :-).

@robdavidson4945

10 ай бұрын

@@festeradams3972 yes I'm aware of Feynman. I remember seeing him on TV back in the early 70's I think. I didn't read much about him until fairly recently. Sounds like he had great sense of humor.

@festeradams3972

10 ай бұрын

A book about him covers that. It's called "Surely you're joking Mr. Feynman".@@robdavidson4945

We start by 10÷2=5×5=25

@robertakerman3570

11 ай бұрын

My pet peeve, John puts examples up; then erases them w/o a solution.

@SamFrayer

11 ай бұрын

My pet peeve… 10/2 is not equal to 5 X 5. Mathematically, 25 = (10/2) X 5.

@GhostPepper233

11 ай бұрын

​@@SamFrayeryeah that is wrong and you don't need the parentheses. So you can just do 10 ÷ 2 × 5 is the same cause you go left to right.

@joannejennings7649

11 ай бұрын

The answer is 1. Multiply first then division

@GhostPepper233

11 ай бұрын

@@joannejennings7649 you do the order from left to right. If you need to do the multiply first the you need to add parentheses around it.

Pemdas states that the multiplication/division step is done from left to right as they are considered of equal value, so first: 10/2 = 5 so we’re left with 5 x 5 which is 25. So the answer is 25

When I was at school quite a long time ago this was a pretty basic mathematics calculation. & Providing there is simply multiplication & or division with no brackets etc. Then simly draw a line first put all the multiples above the line & all the divisibles below the line and wolla. The answer 😮

We were taught (Germany) from the inside out (brackets), then top (exponents) and then from left to right keeping in mind that dots come before lines. (• is multiplication, : is division, + addition and - subtraction). For me it was always straight forward but then, I do love math.

@user-gx1rk8yw6l

8 ай бұрын

As a RoT (Rule of Thumb) something like 'dots come before lines' makes sense. But ONLY if one uses a specific set of symbols.

@Ed19601

3 ай бұрын

I was taught (Netherlands) to strictly stick to "Meneer Van Dalen Wacht Op Antwoord" (Dutch version of PEMDAS) and to not switch half way through to 'from left to right' So: first Power (Machtsverheffen), Multiplication (Vermenigvukdigen), Divison (Delen) Rooting (Worteltrekken), Addition (Optellen), Subtraction (Aftrekken). Seems way more logic to me, but, it is all about what system one chooses. When in doubt, use parenthesis

Well I am 67 and that is the first time I think I understood that PEMDAS. I did not know about the multiplication and division order. I always use Multiplication then division. Thanks Great job teaching this old man.

@binomesprite7829

10 ай бұрын

My too. I was taught X always was done before /

@laurendoe168

10 ай бұрын

When multiplication and division are encountered without parentheses, they are performed left to right. The same goes for addition and subtraction.

I hated math in high school and college, so I was quite pleased when I immediately got this one right.

Understanding how to read the equation also helps. And you can change the equation and maintain the equality. 10÷2×5 can also be written as 10/2 × 5

We used BODMAS. Bodmas stands for B-Brackets, O-Orders (powers/indices or roots), D-Division, M-Multiplication, A-Addition, S-Subtraction. PEMDAS is new to me and is not as straightforward as BODMAS

@jordanxfile

10 ай бұрын

I was looking for this comment.

@pattyolson3842

10 ай бұрын

Brackets would be equivalent to parenthesis and Exponents is the same as Order, Both of which are not in the equation.

@yongsukmccarthy8571

10 ай бұрын

25 !

@lady_bexy

10 ай бұрын

💯💯

@mygodisawesome6121

10 ай бұрын

Yes I was taught PEMDAS. The public school system failed me 😂😂

I learnt at school, long time ago, that to get the result 25 was to write this way: (10:2)X5=25. That was what we learnt in the sixties in France.

@treespirit2000

10 ай бұрын

Makes much better sense to me than the above!

@tommas2674

10 ай бұрын

good to give the order of operation than the math genius showing off.

This entry was written on 9/15/'23. In order to get the answer 1 properly, The number 10 would have to be in the numerator of a fraction, and 2 X 5 would have to be in the denominator. Or written another way: 10/(2X5)

We can say that in PEMDAS is fine as priority but Multiplaction and divion has same priority just as multilication and division. The order ofevaluation of operators of same priority goes from left to right

In the UK we had BOMDAS, which was : Brackets ; OF ; Multiplication ; Division ; Addition ; Subtraction. It was the order of usage.

@user-rc4bl2tm2k

10 ай бұрын

In India we follow the same method BODMAS

@kanabapuka

10 ай бұрын

I was taught BOMDAS in school, South Africa following UK standard apparently. When did the change come about?

@Afrocanuk

10 ай бұрын

​@@kanabapuka Even in PEMDAS the multiplication comes first. The wind must have changed direction.

@marka1422

10 ай бұрын

Then, when do you work the exponents in that method? I'm from the USA and taught math in this century. I grew up in the 60s and 70s in school but don't remember which method was taught.

@TheJANEY66

10 ай бұрын

do you mean BODMAS? Not BOMDAS...

Here in the UK, I was taught BODMAS - Brackets, Orders (indices, square roots etc) Division, Multiplication, Addition, Subtraction.

@catherinesummers5057

10 ай бұрын

Yes that’s the one

@simoncrooke1644

10 ай бұрын

The same in Australia.

@joycelebrilla2023

10 ай бұрын

in phil it is MDAS❤

@rainblaze.

10 ай бұрын

Yeah. Exactly because this is just confusing. The order of operations acronym only applies until it doesn't ... i mean what ? That just confuses things to the point of asking well why have that acronym in the furst place? Make up a better one. I used to make up my own. And the point is. Once learned these acronyms, to later find they don't fully apply in all circumstances. The danger is that some, if not most will end up just ditching the whole concept and loose interest in maths

@jimmyfrench4722

10 ай бұрын

PEMDAS/BODMAS/BEDMAS are wrong as they mislead into the concept that multiplication & division, as well as addition and subtraction, are different operations thus order matters. If you simply use them correctly, order does NOT matter as division is multiplication & subtraction is addition. At least PEMDAS is a bit better as it doesn’t put subsets ahead of the overarching set by putting division ahead of multiplication, but I still wouldn’t teach it except maybe as PEMdAs parenthesis (in this case brackets may be a better label); exponents; multiplication, including division; addition, including subtraction. 10 * 1/2 * 5 = 10 * 5 * 1/2 = 1/2 * 5 * 10 = 1/2 * 10 * 5 = 5 * 1/2 * 10 = 5 * 10 * 1/2

Does math recognize more than one kind of bracket? What is the order for this? (A+B) * [C+D] * {E+F}

This is one of many daily puzzles in the UK Daily Mail. While planning a concert it was decided that Jill will sing four fewer than half of the songs. Eddie three more than a seventh of the songs, Leslie five fewer than twice the number of songs that Eddie has, and Denise will sing a fifth as many songs as Jill. How many songs will be in the concert all together? I just cant get my head around where to start this problem. I know its algebra but cant figure out how to lay it out. Please help.

That "whatever you see first" thing tripped me up! who invented these rules and also how were these operation symbols + - x etc invented? was here some kind of big meeting thousands of years ago?

@robertakerman3570

11 ай бұрын

In our language, We read from left to right. Also, there is always that "exception to the rule" in spelling correctly. Mash that together & voila!

25 is the answer. This is exactly how I was taught, way back in the 70s, in the US. Yes, parenthesis (or brackets) eliminate the confusion, but the MD and AS are equal components of the PEMDAS order of operations.

@mikederiggi2523

10 ай бұрын

1

@derrillyager7946

10 ай бұрын

Thank you for this refresher course.. I must have missed this day in math class because I've had trouble my whole life with this very issue.. in all of my classes through high school and college.. anything with math.. I understood the principles but could not get the grade on tests. . Algebra geometry physics all sub par But I made it through and am retired now but still curious. .

@wrongfullyaccused7139

10 ай бұрын

@@mikederiggi2523 : What stipulates that the multiplication is performed first?

@wrongfullyaccused7139

10 ай бұрын

@@mikederiggi2523 : Wrong. 25. The problem is solved left to right.

@harpintn

10 ай бұрын

@@wrongfullyaccused7139 The rules of mathematics are not that complicated multiplication and division have the same priority so you solve the equation from left to right.

Grear video, just one qyestion why do you use x for multiplication instead of *, or is it just my prain yhat has been treainde by several CASes to read x as a vareable and * as the uperatot for multiplication?

Hello John. Here in the UK we study mathematics (abbreviation: ‘maths’), do you just have the one sum in the US? 😁

This is why grouping is important. Is it 10 / (2 x 5), or (10 / 2) x 5? When writing an equation, it is incumbent on the writer to compose a clear expression leaving no room for misinterpretation.

@martinglenn27

10 ай бұрын

It is neither of your examples. It is 10 ÷ 2 x 5, quite simple. It's not looking for any parentheses or brackets to be added.

@wrongfullyaccused7139

10 ай бұрын

@@martinglenn27 In a pig's eye.

@laurendoe168

10 ай бұрын

@@martinglenn27 It's actually the second example, because removing the parentheses does not change the order of the operations.

@debbietroyer9480

10 ай бұрын

If you know the order of operations, parentheses are not necessary and could actually confuse the issue in a simple problem like this. I think the acronym may need to be clarified-PE M/D A/S or PE[MD][AS], something like that.

@martinglenn27

10 ай бұрын

@debbietroyer9480 why do you feel the need to change it? It is quite straight forward already.

20 years ago in algebra class we were taught, multiply and divide both have priority over plus or minus. Unless parentheses are used you work left to right in this equation.

@patriciajrs46

9 ай бұрын

Good. Correct.

@TC-eo5eb

9 ай бұрын

I am 65 years old RN. Never in my adult life have I ever had to use any algebra.

@poellot

9 ай бұрын

@@TC-eo5eb i am a semi truck mechanic. I use it frequently.

@MrGreensweightHist

8 ай бұрын

@@TC-eo5eb I'm about to turn 50, and I have...numerous times.

@jane1975

5 ай бұрын

This is not Algebra it’s standard school mathematics.

I got the answer right, although I was at school before they taught BODMAS. We were taught the correct way to do sums, but the acronym was not used in the 70s.

HP Prime CAS says the answer is "1". It has been stated by The American Physical Society in their "Physical Review Style and Notation Guide" that when confusion might result from the way a problem is written, parentheses must be used to clarify the order desired. The correct way to write this problem to get your answer would be (10/2)*5=?. Most people, including my trusty HP Prime, write it as 10/(2*5)=? . The American Physical Society - Physical Review Style and Notation Guide, p. 21: (e) When slashing fractions, respect the following conventions. In mathematical formulas this is the accepted order of operations: (1) raising to a power, (2) multiplication, (3) division, (4) addition and subtraction. According to the same conventions, parentheses indicate that the operations within them are to be performed before what they contain is operated upon. Insert parentheses in ambiguous situations. For example, do not write a/b/c; write in an unambiguous form, such as (a/b)/c or a/(b/c); as appropriate.

As a accountant, just tell me the answer you want and I will make it work for you

@NYNC88

8 ай бұрын

You must be Trump's accountant.

@chrisatkins7959

8 ай бұрын

Love it 😂

@andreesimoneau6167

8 ай бұрын

Absolutely love this. So true.

@michaelryan8036

4 ай бұрын

And people think accountants are not creative 😊

@johncook5233

3 ай бұрын

Answer is 25

I figured it out in like 2 seconds of looking at it. I was always horrible at math at school but had some great teachers who helped me understand. to me this is very simple

@hereandthere6001

10 ай бұрын

I hate maths with a passion and have dyscalculia (the dyslexia of maths), I still don't understand whats hard about this it's very basic.

@mrbmp09

10 ай бұрын

Ok, so what was your answer? Empty claim....

@rlrlhyatt

10 ай бұрын

1 @@mrbmp09

@Gladriel-Llorian

10 ай бұрын

@hereandthere6001 duscalculia......never heard of it. Another made up term for someone who is just crap at math

@Gladriel-Llorian

10 ай бұрын

@@hereandthere6001 I assume that you are not math Prof at yale now???

So, it’s points before lines (at least we say it that way in Germany), if their are only Dots, then you would use (… ) to show which should be calculated first. As also this is not shown, it’s from left to right and that means 25.

I follow BIDMAS (Brackets, Indices, Divide, Multiplication, Addition, Subtraction)

I did indeed learn something, thank you! I had never heard of 'PEMDAS'! I always treated mathematics as reading, just go left to right. Well, even at 66, I'm still learning something new every day! Very many thanks , Sir.

@anyabar1987

10 ай бұрын

And this equation works left to right but not all of them do.

@Mk101T

10 ай бұрын

@PaulDredge1815 I'm 55 and didn't know it either . Which would explain why I struggled in algebra , albeit did great at geometry :\ But in your left to right understanding . You knew enough intuitively to do the brackets and powers first ? So really this acronym arbitrary rule ... is a tack on to an intuitive function in math formulation. Where knowing the real world application to these data points , and how to compute them. Renders this late 19th century math rule , pointless , and actually a cause for more confusion errors with computing . Just thinking to one of my real world uses in calculating the cubic yards of cement for a basement floor .

@gordonhill8164

10 ай бұрын

@@Mk101T Stupid rules with no explanation should NOT make you feel inadequate.

@Mk101T

10 ай бұрын

@@gordonhill8164 Well it certainly does not stop errors from being introduced by the admin that collected and formulated the data into an equation. And looks like a nifty way to hide or siphon money by knowingly swapping around the order of operations .

@jack002tuber

6 ай бұрын

I'm 65 and have had algebra and three semesters of calculus in the US. This kind of problem is just a stupid scribble and should be ignored. If you see a thing with a division sign and NO CLEAR MEANING to the numerator and denominator, you are being TROLLED. Run away and enjoy your life, cause you don't need this endless bickering. You have been set up.

I always think of it as PE[MD][AS]. M and D are inverses. A and S are inverses. So within those two sets are Left to Right.

@jack002tuber

6 ай бұрын

You are correct. The PROBLEM GIVER should make all division parts clear to you. The numerator, the denominator, if not, then the answer is "you didn't ask this right, fix it and ask me again". There is no clear answer. We might also look into the value of 1/0 and sqrt(-1)

This was very confusing. I was taught BODMAS in Australia. And now I see that there is also PEMDAS. For a exact discipline such as mathematics, it would be inconceivable that these two ways of ordering equations would result in different answers. So, assuming that they both give the same result, what is the difference. The only difference I can see is that the D and M are reversed ie division and multiplication are in a different order. If they produce the same result, then there must be a way to determine objectively the correct order. From other sources, I find that ranking of operations are: 1 Parentheses, 2 Exponential, 3 Multiplication and Division, and 4 Addition and Subtraction, AND for equal rankings, they are to performed from left to right. So, in the example given, the order of ranking 3 should be left to right - division then multiplication. This gives the answer of 25, which agrees with the solution. As I initially thought the answer was 1, I have been misinterpreting BODMAS for the last 60 years. Thanks for the education, Mr TabletClass Math.

I'm looking at ISO 80000-1. An INTERNATIONAL standard, not a style guide from some university. Direct quote from ISO 80000-1-7.3.3: "These provisions can be extended to cases where the numerator, denominator or both are themselves products or quotients. In such a combination, a solidus (/) shall not be followed by a multiplication sign or a division sign on the same line unless parentheses are inserted to avoid any ambiguity." Oh, and by ISO 80000-2-9.6 "The symbol ÷ should not be used." DON'T USE "GOTCHA" QUESTIONS TO CHECK IF YOUR STUDENTS HAVE UNDERTOOD YOUR HOME MADE RULES.

@beru58

9 ай бұрын

A scene from the "Martian" that never was: Matt Damon looks in a manual. "Read gauges A, B and C. Set thrust leaver D according to the formula D = A ÷ B × C. Press "IGNITION". GOOD LUCK! You only got ONE chance." As you all may remember he has no means of communication. How about that?

In NZ we were taught BEDMAS (brackets, exponents, division, multiplication, addition, subtraction) which avoided the confusion using PEMDAS.

@ThePsychosocialite

10 ай бұрын

BEDMAS and PEMDAS are the exact same thing, just abbreviated differently: B or P - brackets/parenthesis E - Exponents D/M or M/D - divisions and multiplication in the order they appear from left to right A/S - addition or subtraction in the order they appear from left to right. It doesn't matter which of the 2 abbreviations for the order of operations is used, they are done in the same way.

@jasonyoung7705

10 ай бұрын

@@ThePsychosocialite BODMAS is best of all three. (Brackets, Of, Division, Multiplication, Addition, Subtraction). Cos its British, by Jove, now fetch me a muffin and a cup of Earl Grey!

@TifSC

10 ай бұрын

@@jasonyoung7705 We had the O as Orders, ie indices.

@jasonyoung7705

10 ай бұрын

@@TifSC We were taught it was 'of', as in, power of, or root of. maybe thats the same thing.

@KandMe1

9 ай бұрын

With no brackets it is confusing unless you do it in exact order written.

At 72, all I remembered was P & E then L to R... I got = 25... I passed, I passed😂

@georgehardy8165

10 ай бұрын

Yes you are 100% correct...!

@teresab126

10 ай бұрын

Me too! At age 70

@leesasees

10 ай бұрын

Hey hey at 72 I'm also 72 and I got it! Must have learned something back then lol.

@Iforgotme

10 ай бұрын

I'm 83, I don't remember anything. I looked up the definition of PEMDAS which says in part, "multiplication and division from left to right" . THEREFORE: 25 is the correct answer.

@staroceans8677

10 ай бұрын

Me too

Theres some interesting history regarding the ÷ symbol, typesetting, and shortcuts involving removing brackets that does result in many not getting pemdas wrong, but actually reading the problem as 10/(2*5) or 10 ---------- (2*5) Some engineers and such still teach and use that convention, found this out when i made a post similar to your video here on Facebook and some folks were saying that the ÷ symbol meant to divide the left by everything on the right, effectively arguing that 10÷2*5 != 10/2*5

@MrGreensweightHist

8 ай бұрын

10÷(2*5) is 10 ---------- (2*5) Where people often mess up is not realizing that.... 10÷2(5) is 10 ----- (5) 2

@Ytinasniiable

8 ай бұрын

@@MrGreensweightHist there's precedent of juxtaposition prioritization throughout, but the reason for it to exist has since passed, so the issue is if you learn juxtaposition prioritization then you'll see it one way, where if you don't, you'll see it another; some say that 10÷5*2 is different than 10÷5(2) It's an axiom, noone has been able to prove that you *have* to do it one way or another as is such with rules/laws; so you give the answer the teacher expects, if they taught juxtaposition, do it that way, even if you disagree. These conventions are just that, conventions, so you use the one that's relevant to your situation

@MrGreensweightHist

8 ай бұрын

@@Ytinasniiable "there's precedent of juxtaposition prioritization" I agree. Except this problem has not juxtaposition in it. "10÷5*2 is different than 10÷5(2)" No isn't, because 5(2) is not juxtaposition. That isn't what that word means. "It's an axiom, noone has been able to prove that you have to do it one way or another as is such with rules/laws" Actually, they have. 10/5*2 2*2 4 10/(5*2) 10/10 1 10/5(2) 2(2) 4 The fact people are getting the wrong answer is, in and of itself, proof you have to do it the right way. Math problems only EVER have one answer.

@Ytinasniiable

8 ай бұрын

@@MrGreensweightHist the fact You've never experienced a math problem with more than one result tells me you've never taken calculus There's dozens of videos on this topic, check them out, they're better at explaining it than I am.

@MrGreensweightHist

8 ай бұрын

@@Ytinasniiable Even in calculus, there can only be ONE answer to any given problem. If you are referring to things like Matrices, those are not answers tot he problems, those are lists of different problems that can be made Simplified example You might get a list of thigns like... If x is then y is 2.......4 4.......8 6.......12 And you can graph it as y=2x Etc, but these are not multiple answers to one problem. These are multiple potential PROBLEMS that can fit a given format. "There's dozens of videos on this topic, check them out, they're better at explaining it than I am." Considering how woefully inept you have proven so far, that isn't lofty praise.

Thanks so much for this lesson

In UK in 1940s and '50s we were taught the acronym BODMAS (Brackets, Of, Divide, Multiply, Add, Subtract) which has always given the correct result for my level of maths. This was used left to right as written. I was a Surveyor / Valuer / Architect - so no rocket science formulae to worry about. Best wishes to you.

@iandaniel2153

10 ай бұрын

In early 60's Australia we were taught BOMDAS not BODMAS this is just another example of a time slip people talk abt.

@peterhead9981

10 ай бұрын

The O stands for Order, not Of, but yes, it was the way we were taught back in the day, although for the life of me I cannot remember the acronym being used back then!!

@iandaniel2153

10 ай бұрын

@@peterhead9981 In Australia we were taught and use BOMDAS _ where this bodmas comes from is a bit sus. B _ brackets O _ treat of as a bracket M _ multiplication D _ division A _ addition S _ subtraction

@peterhead9981

10 ай бұрын

@@iandaniel2153 - strange, Ian. Australia seems more in tune with the American PEMDAS. Why we should be different is anyone's guess!

@jane1975

5 ай бұрын

Don’t remember any anagrams at school in the U.K. in the 1980’s, but the answer is 25.

25 I think PEMDAS should be PEPS (Parenthesis, Exponential, Product, Summation) with left to right being the prerequisite. Division is the inverse and multiplication of the second argument, and subtraction is the sum of a negative number. These operations begin in the innermost parenthesis. Exponents are also a shorthand for multiplication. PEMDAS was over-explictily created for elementary school children to address the four arithmetic operations. It meant PE(M/D)(A/S) with the slash meaning either/or and not mathematical division. "Limited" computer math line interpreters began the confusion whereas humans knew how to sort discrepancies. Good explanation, and intellectuals should watch this.

@rianmacdonald9454

10 ай бұрын

I like your PEPS idea, would solve this - as you wouldn't guess the amounts of arguments I have had over questions like this. People seem to know the PEMDAS rule but never apply it correctly. So I can see the value in what you purpose. As the amount of times I have tried to explain that, with OUT the brackets, you simply go left to right through the equation in the order it is written in the equation. As in math, brackets are used to manipulate the order of operation to give the output you require. i.e in this case, if you wanted the answer to be 1, the sum would be written as 10 / (2x5) = 1.

@louf7178

10 ай бұрын

@@rianmacdonald9454 Thankyou. I've been heard by the internet 👏👏👏. You're a wise man 👍

@darrenwillis9918

10 ай бұрын

You make my head ache.👍🤣🤣🤣

@MrGreensweightHist

8 ай бұрын

My thing with PEMDAS is only in a its lack of consistency. Ok, P,E,(MD)(AS) I get it, you group the inverses. But then it should be P(ER)(MD)(AS) Parentheses Exponents and Roots. Multiply and Divide. Add and Subtract

@louf7178

8 ай бұрын

@@MrGreensweightHist Yep, same idea.

I see this video was posted 1 month ago. It is now 23SEP23. Yes, there is good validity to posting on such a topic as MATH. It is either a refresher to those who don't use MATH any more, and VERY GOOD for those who were either very challenged with MATH and hated it when they were younger ...and hence never really learnt and never followed up to learn. I suppose there could be other reasons ....but nonetheless, it is a good topic to post. Now, to my point. An 11:00 minute video that could be fully explained ....IN DETAIL ...in less than FOUR MINUTES .......would be far more effective and helpful to FAR MORE MANY PEOPLE WHO COULD ACTUALLY BENEFIT BY FINALLY LEARNING SOMETHING THEY SHOULD ALREADY KNOW .......AND ......THE VIDEO HELPS TO STOP ANY "ARGUMENTS" FROM OCCURRING .....PARTICULARLY FROM THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW YET HAVE A HABIT OF ARGUING THAT THEY ARE ALWAYS RIGHT. The secondary point would be .....the "narrator" may be "math expert", but you/he isn't so well schooled in verbal "ENGLISH". If you're going to "teach" something ...why end any sentence with "right?". That's a colloquial, trendy term that people use for gutter talk ......not much different from the "yaknow" term that most everyone is using these days. So the two points of constructive criticism are .....stop the unnecessary chatter and clean up the English. Think of it this way, if you still don't get it .....ANYONE who clicks on a video like this is NOT looking for "entertainment" or a "lesson" so-to-speak. They are curious if they got the correct answer, FOR THE RIGHT REASONS. If they got it wrong, they will/might learn something in the process .......BUT MANY DON'T WANT TO SPEND 11 MINUTES TO FIND OUT. .

The symbol “÷” was introduced when calculators were invented. It symbolizes a fraction where the dots are placeholders for the nominator and denominator. If you can write an actual fraction, please do so and avoid this symbol. I.e. just write 10/2 instead of 10÷2. This is how it's done in “proper” mathematics outside of high-school. The rules for calcualting with fractions are much less ambiguous, avoiding confusing cases like the one described in this video, which are basically just bad notation. Furthermore: The sign “⨯” is reserved for the cross-product in vector algebra. If you want to notate multiplication, please just use the centered dot “⋅”. In general, when writing down mathematics, it is good to think about the reader and not try to “test” him how smart he is. Therefore, I would write down the formula as follows: (10/2)⋅5 . Crystal clear and no PEMDAS needed! (The parentheses are only there because I cannot write a proper fraction inside this text box.)

That's why I always use parenthesis to remove the ambiguity in these types of problems. They don't cost you anything and they prevent someone from getting the wrong answer which can be quite costly.

@danc.5509

10 ай бұрын

I am so glad you use parentheses. For non English speakers and languages that read and write NOT from left to right, I can imagine the use of parentheses is important to show order of importance.

@alexaneals8194

10 ай бұрын

@@danc.5509 I am a software engineer so eliminating ambiguity helps reduce errors in coding.

@ianbarton2581

10 ай бұрын

Not using parenthese is just lazy

@jesperlykkeberg7438

10 ай бұрын

In this case an inverted notation would make the answer correct even without brackets: "5 x 10 / 2 = 25" Understood as either as 50/2=25. or as 5x5=25. Same answer, making brackets redundant.

@padraicbrown6718

9 ай бұрын

@@jesperlykkeberg7438 --- In this case, yes, the brackets are redundant: (5 x 10) / 2 would be equivalent to 5 (10 / 2). Doesn't work the other way, which is the whole issue!

I saw this and thought the answer was 25 because things are done left to right. Don't know why a person would jump over a thing to go to another thing and then back to the first one. Side note- I've never heard of, or seen, that PEMDAS tip before. I've been out of school for 30+ years and am happy to not have to think about any of it 🥳❤️

@robertboyd3863

9 ай бұрын

A few years ago on FB is the first time I ever heard of PEMDAS , don't ever recall it in school back in the 50's . I did know how to do it

@OneWildTurkey

9 ай бұрын

I believe PEMDAS was brought into use because most math teachers couldn't.

@mybluemars

9 ай бұрын

For this example simple "left-to-right" logic works fine, but it wouldn't if you had parentheses and/or exponents, which is the point of this video.

@busaj383

9 ай бұрын

@@mybluemars Correct, it does work, and that's my point. Why would a person not do it that way? Adding in ( x ) is a completely different thing (that is done 1st). If they get the left to right part, they need to start learning things from the beginning 😉👍

@SummerUntitled

9 ай бұрын

@@busaj383 because those who were taught PEMDAS think multiplication is done before division. But my teachers made it clear multiplication and division were equal, as well as addition and subtraction were equal to each other. So you do whichever comes first. But not everyone was taught they were equal or forgot, so they think multiplication and addition have priority in an equation.

What software do you use to record these ?

Math was my worst subject, but it baffles me that anyone with a basic education wouldn't know this.

Different countries, different systems. Living in the Netherlands I learned in the 1960/1970 Mijnheer Van Dalen Wacht Op Antwoord. And in that strict order. Machtsverheffen (Index) first Vermenigvuldig (Multiply) before Delen (Devide) Wortel trekken (Indices) Optellen (Add) Aftrekken (Subtraction) So according to the rules back then I came to the answerr 1. I read a bit about it and found out, that the rules where changed to something equal to PEMDAS due to the upcoming computers and that they had a different order. So thanks, I learned something new.

@olivierlohman

10 ай бұрын

tegenwoordig: Hoe Komen Wij Van Deze Onvoldoendes Af...Haakjes, kwadraat, wortel, vermenigvuldigen, delen, optellen, aftrekken

@dutchman7623

10 ай бұрын

@@olivierlohman En dus komt worteltrekken op een heel andere plaats. Dus elke vergelijking zo opschrijven, met haakjes, zodat er geen gekke discussie kan ontstaan. Bijna metrisch zou ik zeggen.

@DorothyThomas178

10 ай бұрын

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This is interesting from the perspective of say setting a mathematical puzzle for the fun of it but I was taught from a different perspective. Just always use brackets where there's potential ambiguity. It's useful to know multiplication and division take precedence over addition and subtraction to avoid cluttering up very simple expressions with brackets, but brackets always took precedence over having to remember rules. Using an expression such as this in a professional capacity would be frowned upon, and when I studied maths at degree level we always used brackets rather than having to remember rules like this, they just detract from actual problem at hand.

@bingsanjuan3368

10 ай бұрын

Yeah your correct, bracket and parenthesis must always be used in actual and exact/normal application to avoid confusion, only in tricks and carnaval / fancy events a problems like this occur/// i know pemdas/bidmas but dont give problems like this especially to common non math enthusiast ///

@user-gx1rk8yw6l

8 ай бұрын

The main reason for the existence of such a RoT (Rule of Thumb) is when forced to write a maths statement as were it a sentence.

@WtWm-fw7wo

7 ай бұрын

Which fingers do I count as brackets? 🤔

@user-gx1rk8yw6l

7 ай бұрын

@@WtWm-fw7wo All 20. I you look at it the Spanish way...🥸

@stevewhiteside4525

7 ай бұрын

@@WtWm-fw7wo 😂

We got taught BEDMAS in the western provinces of Canada, like many of the others quoting PEDMAS and BIDMAS and BODMAS, etc. This time the E = exponents, but it all means the same thing. Oh. And the answer is 10/2= 5 thus 5x5=25

I thought this video was a prank but they really are serious about explaining something this simple. Next to being able to read and write, math is an indispensable skill.

I got through College Electronics Both Analog and Digital. I had to learn Algebra, Trig. and Calculus. I never had anyone tell me that the MD and AS was to be considered as a grouping with whichever came first in that group being the way you should roll. I am amazed that I never had a problem that came out wrong using PEMDAS. I'm old now. I guess you can learn something new everyday. Thanks for making this video.

@tchevrier

10 ай бұрын

you were never told that? really? You probably never had problem because equations are typically never written like that. Division is pretty much always written fractional form.

@RobOfTheNorth2001

10 ай бұрын

You never had a problem because no one would write an expression this way. This is only designed to trick people. They'd write it as a fraction which would make clear what the denominator is. As it is written now, 10 / 2 x 5 = 10 x 1/2 x 5, which then makes it clear the answer is 25. If they wanted the answer to be 1, they'd have written it with 2x5 as a denominator of a fraction.

@Syphirioth

10 ай бұрын

@@RobOfTheNorth2001 Look what happens if you forget about MD and DM being qual and both should go left to right. But think as a calculator that need follow a clear order instead. Whenever you switch the multiply and division you seem to get the other answer. Thats why i think google is full of questions like: Multiply or divide first??

@RobOfTheNorth2001

10 ай бұрын

@@Syphirioth a calculator (at least the simple ones) simply performs the operations you tell it on two numbers. It has no concept of 'left to right'. The person inputting has to know what order they want the operations performed. As I mentioned elsewhere, no one would actually write an expression this way but instead use a fraction to make clear if they mean 10/2 x 5 or 10/(2x5). For the latter, someone who doesn't know calculators would still have to input 2x5, remember that answer, then input 10 / 10.

@Syphirioth

10 ай бұрын

@@RobOfTheNorth2001 Thats the problem with older calculators. They can't remember 2 answers given by DM or MD and see it as equal. It had to do either one of them first according to the program. So it follows those orders literally. Thats why some devices have different outputs with the same input. Because DM and MD are switched. See if you want a calculator to figure out bigger sums at once instead of left right it needs to know an order of calculation. otherwise it would do only left and right as you said. So what order you give it? PEMDAS or BODMAS whats the problem you get with certain inputs? The machine gonna do it wrong. And the case of 6:2(1+2) shows that problem perfectly. Because certain machines seem to prioritize multiplication before divide. and they get a 1 then the funny thing is when you ask this to google. Google gonna use brackets on the 6:2 also... Guess why? Wouldn't it be to prioritize 6:2 over the multiplier??

PEMDAS is just order of operation but there was an item that was not really mentioned. Multiply and divide are treated equally and addition and subtraction are treated equally. Parenthesis and exponents are completed first by priority but the others are done left to right with multiple/divide being completed first. Since the question does not contain any other components, it’s just done left to right normally.

@cheriremily9360

10 ай бұрын

Thank you! I was wondering when they would get to 25.

@constancehaase352

10 ай бұрын

I dont know if you listen to his explanations but he did tell us that!

@VeritasNous

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, he explained that.

@user-fl3bi9su5j

10 ай бұрын

Exactly. This is arithmetic - no bidmas needed.

@carlyorina4239

10 ай бұрын

You are 100% correct. Now, if we could only get the High School math teachers to listen...

I didnt use Bodmas or pemdas but i used my own as and this is what i was taught. Change the ÷ to × Nd invert the divisor. 10×1/2 × 5 = 25. Not much talking but simple things we were taught by excellent teachers in primary school.

Even though we use PEMDAS to solve these, you still have to read the problem from left to right. So in this case because the division sign is before the multiplication sign, you have to decide first. Therefore the answer is 25.

I'll tell you one thing. You are very proficient at turning a 30 second explanation into an 11 minute borefest.

@jaroslavhusty6482

5 ай бұрын

Perfect comment! 👍

@youeflanierelmumin7156

5 ай бұрын

My intention was to write the same comment 😄

@GoodGood-vb8gm

5 ай бұрын

又长气又唚气，口水多过茶 . Literally means 'annoyingly long-winded, more saliva than tea". I stop watching at 5:11

No one explained it the way YOU DID!! Thank you.

Division is inverted multiplication, & subtraction is addition of a negative. So a RoT (Rule of Thumb) like PEMDAS (or BODMAS/BIDMAS) should actually be PEMA (or the same-meaning BOMA/BIMA). That people get it wrong is because: a) the RoT is overly wordy; b) people were probably never told about multiplication & division being of equal hierarchy (ditto addition & subtraction); c) (most important) the teacher was in the wrong profession. I was never taught any such silly RoT (thank goodness). Instead, I was shown the WHY of things.

I don’t think anyone reading this didn’t get both answers. But I’ve also heard it argued that blind adherence to PEMDAS is a flawed sort of consistency. I’ve seen some great the division like a fraction making the problem 10 / (2*5) in which the answer would inarguably be 1