The trial chambers have the right loot i want out of a structure. What i want is when they make a structure they should use it to teach an existing mechanic with puzzles around it before making any new mechanic. Its a great start and i hope we get better structures in the future.

Wind charges can activate red stone objects with a activation method and can create a chain of red stone activations

@onemigdincol

Ай бұрын

Not just redstone, every block that has an open and close state.

Idk why people want every update to change the game in ways that you can see when you first boot up a new world... of course those updates are exciting like 1.7-1.9 and 1.17-1.19 were but adding content for later parts of the game is also very important. So those updates are more exciting for the people that already have a world and just want to keep playing it, instead of starting a new one every update.

Fun fact: cartographer villagers can sell maps to the trial chambers (Note that im not sure if they sell that with or without the rebalance on)

@lasercraft32

Ай бұрын

They said that in the video.

@lazarpetrovic1671

Ай бұрын

@lasercraft32 my bad, i didn't really see that part of the video

Trail chamber maps are very easy to get if you know what you’re doing. It’s not like you need a whole villager trading system you just need one villager, papers and glass. Those materials aren’t difficult to get.

The "focused on trial chambers" is a bold arguement tbh because most of the past fan favourite uodates only focuses on one thing like "Village and Pillage" and "The Nether Update", which each update focuses as nether/village as their core subject

@ultrafun2227

Ай бұрын

Yeah but you can see the Nether update's effects even before you visited the Nether - ruin portals appear throughout the whole Overworld

@user-tzzglsstle585e38

Ай бұрын

@@ultrafun2227 So are the features that 1.21 brings which are the wolves and armadillos, it's released separately but it's pretty much developed in the same dev cycle, also Crafters' significance are not to be undermined within redstone creations, and this block is extremely far removed from Trial Chambers mind you. Edit: And oh yeah, new Copper and Tuff variants for building which you don't need to explore further or get to the trial chambers to notice and use. Anyways, I don't get why focused features are somehow even remotely a bad thing now, wasn't the complaint about the previous update is that it's too "random"? Now people want it to essentially be random again for honestly arbitrary reasons.

@TLNGE

Ай бұрын

That’s an entire section of the game not one structure. The nether update added 2 ores, 4 biomes, another structure, and more. Not just Bastions

@user-tzzglsstle585e38

Ай бұрын

@@TLNGE Nobody is saying the Nether update is one structure, but rather it's all in one place only accessible from 1 place (portal) that the player would have to go out of their way to go to. The same reason why Village and Pilllage is also mostly focusing on Villages despite there being multiple village types and outpost

They should allow us to use breeze rods to make ender eyes. The progression it kinda linear right now, and it would make the trials even more worthy to find. I am with you about the fact that there should be some kind of indication on the surface when there is a trial underneath, like a copper and tuff hut or something with a hole going down. They did it for lush caves, and it works too with the trials

I think that, when people say that this update is good, they need to specify that it's a step in the right direction, and not gold standard. Mojang may just continue adding updates exactly like this if they get the wrong idea. I like that you phrased it as a step in the right direction im your title. Also there is a proper cave entrance, it has piston doors, and I've accidentally found 2 chambers already in my 1.21 world. Also also only about 5% (I think) of players go to the End without cheats, but the End update would still be super cool.

:43 to be fair its nearly impossible to name this update without "T"

@lasercraft32

Ай бұрын

UpdaTe lol

@onemigdincol

Ай бұрын

Minecraft: The Update

@miraculousgacha9888

Ай бұрын

Minebuild: New version

Tbh I like having the chamber only be found with map, having the chamber be accessible early on means that the player can walk around and stumble into it brute force it and get pretty good loot right out the bat, but now it’s if you don’t want to go to one you don’t need too.

I think Trial Chambers are nice, I agree about a surface entrance, I think some preexisting structures, like Mineshafts and Strongholds, could use surface entrances. I also think depending on biome would be interesting. The way we select paintings also feels archaic, getting the largest one available for space when placed, what if you wanted a 1x1 but got a 2x2?

@user-tzzglsstle585e38

Ай бұрын

Uhh... you can already choose the size that you want by placing them in a restricted space like placing a single block or another painting, this has been a thing since 1.12

If we do get an end update next a great way to tie it in with the seeds planted in this update would be to: 1. make end city ships have a vault containing the elytra instead of an item frame to help with multiplayer. The devs have already mentioned they are considering adding vaults to older structures and that’s the perfect one since the elytra is a huge resource bottle neck in multiplayer. Either use the standard keys to give them a broader use or make a new one found in the end cities chests or dropped by shulkers. 2. Give the ender dragon a new hard mode fight as an ominous event. The ender dragon has always been kind of a push over so maybe using the new expanded scope of bad omen there would be great. Beating the harder fight could do something with the dragon egg, or unlock some other new loot.

I know they said it was an update focused on combat and tinkering, and that it was just something they said, not an actual confirmed basis for the update's theme... But I wish they would have actually implemented some of the Combat Snapshot features. They just kinda gave up on it, even though it had a lot of really cool changes! And like you said, there really isn't very much "tinkering" going on in this update (unless they count having more copper blocks as "tinkering"). It would have been cool to get new functionality for the Fletching Table to fit the tinkering theme. Also... Missed opportunity for the Trial Chambers to have Copper and Tuff Golems, seeing as they are built entirely out of those two materials. (Note that this isn't me being disappointed with the update, all the things they've added so far are GREAT and I'm one of the few people who _didn't_ hate 1.19 and 1.20. I really like the direction they're going so far).

@khakigamesdev

Ай бұрын

Considering how they do updates now, they will probably introduce the combat changes in a small update after 1.21 (like 1.21.1) that could be accesed in the experimental toggles.

@Evnen1

Ай бұрын

totally forgot to mention those combat changes yeah, i hope they pick them back up soon

@Evnen1

Ай бұрын

totally forgot to mention those combat changes yeah, i hope they pick them back up soon

1.21 isn't bad, but it feels like the update equivalent of a movie that isn't bad but you'll forget about a week after leaving the theater

@user-tzzglsstle585e38

Ай бұрын

Until they inevitably change the game significantly later on as a direct result of 1.21 (Vaults, Keys, Ominous Events, revamped Enchantment programming)

1.20 was also a step in the right direction, but people were still (rightfully so) mad bout the whole wild update debacle. 1.21 is better but 1.20 was when Mojang turned around from the debacle of caves and cliffs and especially the Wild Update.

@lazarpetrovic1671

Ай бұрын

Eh, honestly the way the community reacted to the removal of fireflies and chat report was way too mutch especially since chat reporting literaly ended up becoming irrelevant due to it not doing anything, like sure they can be mad and all but they literaly started slandering the devs with the whole "mojang is lazy" bs that they still use today aswell as the "save minecraft" thing that just ended being a drama queen move looking back at it

@EmperorPenguin1217

Ай бұрын

Nah 1.20 was a step backwards

@ephraimboateng5239

Ай бұрын

@@lazarpetrovic1671 i kinda agree with you. The firefly thing and the birch forest confusion was just shitty tbh but ultimetly non-consequential. The chat report stuff was weird to me and didn't seem to come from Mojang at all, so harrassing the devs for it was stupid. Overall, its not like 1.19 was a "bad" update. It was just sub-par to what was (rightfully or not) expected and came at the tail end of the Caves and cliffs difficulties. I do think some parts of the community massively overeacted. Thankfully, it seems Mojang learned from it and now do not announce everything all at once in october, which i think is great.

@lazarpetrovic1671

Ай бұрын

@ephraimboateng5239 I also agree with you, 1.19 wasn't really a bad update but it was a bit disappointing as it didnt really deliver on all of its promises(still don't think it's a bad update as mangrove wood looks awsome and i genualy had fun raiding the ancient cities, even more so after 1.20 added ward and silence armor trims and genualy enjoyed playing around with the sculk blocks) however the way the community reacted to it was pretty damn horrible but yea, I'm actually happy that mojang learned from 1.19 and basicaly only showed the features that were guaranteed to enter the game

@ephraimboateng5239

Ай бұрын

@@EmperorPenguin1217 How? I don't even think 1.19 was a step backwards either. 1.20 adressed many aspects of the game, such as exploration, customisation and decoration in ways which the VAST majority of the community really liked. It wasn't world altering like the Nether Update was sure, but it was definitly better than 1.19 and while 1.21 is good, 1.20 does holds its own against it.

I have some gripes that came up recently, but besides that this update is really solid.

My issue is they've already started adding villager trade rebalances like you cannot cure villagers over and over anymore after 1.20.4.

@dugoose6934

Ай бұрын

yeah thats because mojang doesn't want you to spend all game trading to max out your gear without exploring the world.

@user-tzzglsstle585e38

Ай бұрын

That feature is dogshit anyways, it's not only extremely cheesy (which matters here because it breaks the value of a lot of items); it's also not something Villagers ever needed at all to be functional and practical.

I think you failed to mention the armadillos, dog armor, wolf variants and villager rebalancing

@coelhinho.8356

Ай бұрын

It's a separate update, it doesn't count as 1.21

I like the little house you built! :D

the update is great except for the fact that WE ARENT GETTING BUNDLES

I really think mojang needs to start thinking bigger with updates, not for the sake of more content but in the context of how common it is to find the update's content. Trial chambers, armadillos, cherry grove, etc are all very specific to one biome or one structure. If you are unlucky you can miss a whole update's worth of content, which is a shame. I really do think that adding biomes rather than adjusting current ones is a misstep, as well as focusing on structures that are somewhat niche and rare.

@GurkisDev

Ай бұрын

But the game is missing content in those areas, thats why they're adding them. Cherry grove is super common, armadillos spawn in savannah, wolves got a bunch of updates.

@user-tzzglsstle585e38

Ай бұрын

Trial Chambers are common and is literally not even specific to a particular biome, Armadillos spawn in two biomes with one of them being a common biome and wolves spawns pretty much everywhere at this point. Also, there is nothing niche about using your sword at all...? PvE and adventuring (Trial Chamber's whole thing) is literally the most expected thing for any survival game that exists ever and Trial Chambers finally acts as a proper dungeon with proper kinds of rewards instead of being stuck to mostly one-and-done and basic combat encounters. It's impossible to not notice any of these unless you just stay in a single place.

This update would be perfect for me if they capped it off with the Jeb combat snapshots and a use for the fletching table, but thats very unlikely at this point, especially the fletching table

@nickg5341

Ай бұрын

It really is baffling why they haven’t put at least some of those updates in the game yet. When I heard this was going to be a combat update I totally thought we were gonna see them finally.

@Harriet-MarieHaines

Ай бұрын

@@nickg5341 fr… really hope they just go ahead with it. I don’t think they will, and even if they don’t this update is still probably A tier IMO. Combat would push is to S

@GurkisDev

Ай бұрын

They're probably saving those changes for an actual combat update and didnt want to combine it with this so its not rushed.

@user-tzzglsstle585e38

Ай бұрын

@@nickg5341 It's not that baffling... Combat is an extremely volatile thing that needs to be carefully considered when changing it, they can't just add it on top of an update that already have its features set and expect it to work seamlessly. If they really want a combat overhaul; they would put it as the *main* theme of the update for how significant it is for every player that would play this game onwards, they're not gonna put something so significant at the last minute. Same with Fletching Tables, if they're gonna add a new use to it, it's not just gonna be for tipped arrows or whatever, it needs to be something worthwhile and something they can add more on top of.

@nickg5341

Ай бұрын

@@user-tzzglsstle585e38 You’re spot on, I just assumed we’d get these trial chambers designed around a couple big combat changes. I see now that it probably would have been a little too ambitious. I also think that, since that combat snapshot has been around for several years now, they probably have enough data to start putting things in snapshots one by one

One thing disturbing about recent Minecraft updates is that you can barely see the differences with the previous versions, and most of the features are kinda niche. Okay, we got new copper stuff, but then who would guess that there's a massive structure hidden somewhere underground. The best way to guess where a trial chamber is is to look for the bulging rocks in a cave. Those trial chambers have entrances, but most players would just mine through the whole structure and be faced with the entrance room and wonder what it is for. The trial chambers are great, but we need an actual entrance that entices the player to go there and play through the trial chambers normally.

@lazarpetrovic1671

Ай бұрын

You can find trial chambers using cartographers tho as they can sell maps to the chambers

@user-tzzglsstle585e38

Ай бұрын

It's almost as if the new Advancement or the in-your-face panorama is there to tell players the new thing that's added. Mostly a nothingburger issue, although yeah the entrance itself definitely needs to at least form a large cavity that could connect to caves so Players are inclined to go through the proper entrance first

@fl0_hrl

Ай бұрын

@@lazarpetrovic1671 that still doesn't solve the "proper entrance"

The update isn't bad, and everything actually feels finished and well thought out. I think this update is the first step to Mojang's big plan. One day, Mojang will rebuild their reputation.

Yeah this a great update

I don't like new Mojang, something is wrong with Mojang and I can't place it. It's there I can feel it, but I can't say what it is and it's so frustrating.

@Stefandongen

Ай бұрын

Microsoft treats mojang very bad and also has most control over mojang like there budged is really low etc

@EmperorPenguin1217

Ай бұрын

@@Stefandongen Both former and current employees have gone on record saying Micro has little influence

My only issue with 1.21 is that there's way too much copper. Not only does is ruin the value of copper but it increases the chance of multiplayer griefing from wanting copper.

@user-tzzglsstle585e38

Ай бұрын

That's probably the most nothingburger issue ever, they want copper to be common and stone cutters already quadruples copper blocks for some weird reason prior to 1.21. And if your server is having issues with such griefing; then that's a problem of your server

I dont really understand the hype for this update. its just as good as the small ones before it imo, with just basically a new structure, its features, and the crafter. people started freaking out and said mojang is on fire when they add ominous trails and a couple new trims, and acted like that's a massive add to the update. can someone explain?

@user-zd2xj9rl2z

Ай бұрын

um because this structure is going to become the structure which was the most developed and the features inside it are exciting for people, they are the type of people who love this update, including me!

@lazarpetrovic1671

Ай бұрын

The ominous bottle is pretty massive tho as it opens the door for other structures to have ominous events of their own later down the line and the trial chambers are one of if not the most in depth structure in the game as it not only has vaults that fix the looted structure problem on multiplayer, upgraded spawners, is multiplayer compatable due to said spawners summoning more mobs in total the more players are near it and can even be made harder using ominous bottles aswell as having a bunch of loot exclusive to it

@EmperorPenguin1217

Ай бұрын

@@lazarpetrovic1671 "Opens the door down the line" means nothing when they've actively left tons of features in the dust and not fleshed out at all

@lazarpetrovic1671

Ай бұрын

@@EmperorPenguin1217 how useful was gold before 1.16 apart from gapples and golden carrots again? How useful were magma blocks before 1.13 again? How fleshed out were villages and villagers before 1.14 again? How fleshed out was the nether in general before 1.16 again? What value apart from the monuments did old oceans have pre 1.13 again? What reason apart from the dragon egg did the end have before 1.9 again? Your point has 0 meaning when most of the stuff in the game is as good as it is today because it got expanded upon later down the line(before you even think about ancient cities, we are not getting any new dimensions until all existing ones get updated)

@user-tzzglsstle585e38

Ай бұрын

oh IDK, it just added a rogue lite structure with fleshed-out mechanics and works perfectly in multiplayer (which is something that WILL be brought to other existing structures as well) that finally adds a meaningful and thought-out PvE encounter while also having unique rewards with one of them being a weapon with new mechanics that may or may not be overpowered.

I disagree the name is good

@Eh.........

Ай бұрын

The name is terrible. Not only does it sound goofy, the chambers don't have trickery involved. You potentially falling in ONLY ONE trapdoors trap doesn't make it trickery, you trying not to activate the spawners isn't trickery. Update title is misleading, hence a terrible name

@Eh.........

Ай бұрын

Someone posted out Trials and Chambers would be the name, and guess what, it sounds much better,lazy as in rhyme and a choice of words, but it fits. Trial isn't a structure, but a challenge, but chambers are structures, soooo it makes sense

@lazarpetrovic1671

Ай бұрын

​​@@Eh.........a bunch of things are in the trial chambers that make them tricky The dispencer traps The one room with a water dispencer at the center, the vertical ranged mob room, the maze-like formation of another room aswell as the fake ladder, the room with trapdoors and the dispencers aswell as the breeze being able to interact with redstone in general

@user-tzzglsstle585e38

Ай бұрын

@@Eh......... That name doesn't work because Trial Chambers aren't the only thing added here and doesn't capture all other features.

@rammy7

Ай бұрын

@@Eh......... depends on who hears it tbh so idk

Is Microsoft done with Minecraft, like have they had enough with the game and are just doing the bare minimum to say they are still developing it.