It's not a tractor or Bobcat issue. He wants the 1025 to do more than what it is rated to do. I have a 1021 and it works great for what I need. I have been in situations where I maxed the capabilities out. It's not the tractor or Bobcats fault, I should of got a bigger tractor.
@user-un9pz2xu5i5 ай бұрын
Nice job on the animation keep up the good work. Next time just use a better song.
@millermccrabb50667 ай бұрын
I got two seasons out of mine ,but I don't know how long this M60 sat on the lot before I bought it,65 hours of use .
@gdblodge7 ай бұрын
Exactly... It's a huge deal and the biggest lie from bobcat...
@danielcombs40919 ай бұрын
Prime example of someone not knowing what they are doing. No matter what size tractor you wanna lift something with, and no matter what the lift or curl capacity is when you put the forks on the end of a bucket like that you cut it about a fourth of what it actually is.
@joecampbell45799 ай бұрын
😂 it also cuts lift capacity because the weight is further from the pin. A tractor should always curl more than it can lift at equal distances from the pin which this machine clearly cannot. The log is also rolled back all the way to the edge of the bucket. This is not my first subcompact tractor and a proven design flaw, my previous Kubota BX would have zero issues with this same task. Doesn’t matter how much you can lift if you can’t keep the bucket level.
@PoNiCoN10 ай бұрын
Hi! I would like to ask you how you clean those spiral turbulators? For me this thing is really time consuming and I would like to know how other people do this.. thanks
@tomshull-wb2bb10 ай бұрын
I don't think you know what your talking about. On the edge just move the metal piece between the heat exchangers up and down the ash will fall down.
@joecampbell457910 ай бұрын
That will not get heat exchanger clean enough to reduce the stack temp. If you have a high stack temp you are blowing BTU’S straight out the chimney and the only way to get the stack temp into a range that is acceptable is to remove the turbulators and scrub.
@guiltfreehotwater4354 Жыл бұрын
So Fantastic but wondering where they made?
@CarolinaOutdoorWoodstoves5 ай бұрын
Made in Canada
@calebkz Жыл бұрын
Great comparison video! There aren't a lot of people running these 2 boilers/furnaces side by side so it's great to see the differences. I'd love to see more.
@jesseferguson9464 Жыл бұрын
Parts look expensive to me. But I like the furnace
@joecampbell4579 Жыл бұрын
Hey Jesse thanks for the comment. The parts are actually really affordable because they are not proprietary to Polar like several of the other manufacturers. Both Heat Master and Central Boiler use proprietary electronics. Everything on a Polar can be purchased at any H-VAC supply shop and most of it is Honeywell.
@BRadWilson3 Жыл бұрын
get a set of pallet forks, get that log way closer to the pins.
@Archermotorcycleandtire Жыл бұрын
That paint will come off with continued use, I just keep a can of of grey primer handy
@jeffntexas89202 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for the video (I'm one of your subscribers now). I'm considering a Polar G3. Do you still recommend them? I like them over others I've looked at (Heatmaster G4000 and Froling S3) since they're simpler without all the computers and electronics, but are still gasification units and burn less wood (and qualify for the tax credit). Why did you go with a Polar? The heatmaster and froling are good units, but seem very complicated. It seems to me these are less complicated, but somehow still perform well.
@joecampbell45792 жыл бұрын
Hey Jeff thanks for the reply and add. I think you kind of answered your question for me. Really it was the simple design and made the most sense. I’m a fan of the Froling out side of the fact that you need thermal storage and that didn’t work in my case. The next closest thing was the Polar and I have a few friends that have them and all had good things to say. Honestly just like the design and how it runs. If I could do it all over again I would buy the Polar still.
@gabeslifestuff96912 жыл бұрын
Definitely no adhesion, possible cause of it is bad prep light oil on the surface can cause this ie wd40
@jamieprince25142 жыл бұрын
yes a great design for the refractory BUT everyone I know that has one they only lasted if your lucky about 5 years and then start leaking. Mine lasted 10 by the grace of God I'm told and now mine is leaking as well...now what?? Left to spend at least another 15k to replace it.... not ideal
@joecampbell45792 жыл бұрын
This is the first time I have heard of any of them lasting less than 5 years. I have three other close friends with Polars that are also carbon steel, one has been running for 8 years, one 6, and me and another at 5 with no issues at all. That is too bad to hear about yours, why not just weld it up and keep running it? The new ones are also stainless, I will go this way if my fails or I can sell mine for good price.
@jamieprince25142 жыл бұрын
I had bought mine in 2012...shortly there after I had family and friends interested in it so I recommended it to them...My aunt got a little over a year out of there Furnace... started leaking. Another family member is on his second one because of leaking issues and is going to change his up because he is so scared it will start leaking in the middle of winter and leave him in a bad situation..There is at least 3 or 4 other people in the community I know of with the same problem...It's disappointing for me because I just loved the whole aspect of that Furnace and only burned about 9 cords this year.
@joecampbell45792 жыл бұрын
@@jamieprince2514 yeah, I feel they are the best designed furnace on the market still. I do think that the carbon steel was not the best choice of materials for sure. It’s good to see they changed that going forward. You can have a 304 stainless firebox welded into your carbon steel water jacket. If I don’t upgrade or go bigger that is the route I will take.
@On_The_Farm2 жыл бұрын
Pretty heavy log for that tractor and you are a ways away from the pivot point. Try it with real pallet forks.
@benjiemullins54982 жыл бұрын
Heat master all day long.
@joecampbell45792 жыл бұрын
Heatmaster makes a very nice wood furnace as well, that was my close second.
@flyingfisherman1002 жыл бұрын
Awesome boiler. I have an econoburn 200. Works great but is no where near the engineering of the polar. How much is that unit. I paid 10,000 for the econoburn 200. I had to build an exhaust fan system for loading. My boiler is in my basement and loading was pretty smokey. Can the polar be installed in a basement? Thanks for the vid. If I had seen this when I was doing my research to buy a boiler. I would have had to call them for sure.
@joecampbell45792 жыл бұрын
Polar is one of the only outdoor wood furnaces that is UL listed for indoor use. I bought mine almost 5 years ago now and it was comparable price wise with the rest of the gasification systems on the market then, I dont sell them so I can comment on current pricing. I do know that the gassers are more expensive than the traditional wood burners. Thanks for watching the video, best wishes!
@Pochvon_PechkaVaKatyollark45962 жыл бұрын
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@MrMelvinkennedy12 жыл бұрын
Not sure what your expectations were considering its such a heavy log judging by how its lifting the rear of the tractor. Seems to be lifting well above its capacity for size
@joecampbell45792 жыл бұрын
It does lift quite well given the size, however I would expect it to curl more than it lifts. The rates numbers for curl are around 1100 pounds and 700 for lift. This tractor will lift way more than it will curl which is frustrating. My Kubota BX was the opposite.
@MrMelvinkennedy12 жыл бұрын
@@joecampbell4579 yea your right every tractor I’ve owned if I couldn’t lift it id curl it to get it off the ground. That is odd
@ps90432 жыл бұрын
Did you ever get this diagnosed? My CT1025 has trouble curling a bucket of topsoil. Much bigger than my old BX1880 but sure doesn’t show it.
@joecampbell45792 жыл бұрын
@@ps9043 I have not I need to run to the dealership to grab some parts one of these days, and I’ll talk to them about it but I’m not hopeful.
@robertmartinez10698 ай бұрын
Saw on another page this dude upper the psi to 2100. Maybe that makes it curl more
@zachary37772 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to turn the blower all the way up and dump sand into the firebox to "sand the flues" like on a steam locomotive? I'm guessing the air velocity is too low, but I don't know
@oby-16072 жыл бұрын
I am about to run my Polar G series and this is a great video. Hoping you can do a video of the complete annual services required to keep it in good running order. Thanks again./
@mycoldeadhandsme27872 жыл бұрын
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@lnk43282 жыл бұрын
Each additional 40°F in the flue temperature reduces the efficiency 1%.
@joecampbell45792 жыл бұрын
Have you ever looked an EPA test report, because that is completely untrue. I would recommend checking a few out they are free and have to be publicly available for any EPA approved furnaces.
@zachary37772 жыл бұрын
more like 2-3%
@joshblick2 жыл бұрын
Why is there a label that must be removed with nothing more on it than "Label must be removed"???? And if you say it's a vent cover because they don't want dust in something....................
@joecampbell45792 жыл бұрын
You got it, it’s for shipping, there are luvers under that label.
@joshblick2 жыл бұрын
Turn your phone
@freedomlawnservice19872 жыл бұрын
I looked at these and really wanted one until dealer sent to my house. It wouldn’t lift shit. I got the John Deere 1025r will lift twice the weight easily
@joecampbell45792 жыл бұрын
My brother has a 1025r we will do the same test with his machine and post a video here soon.
@timrappoccio0811Marine2 жыл бұрын
Not true. I own the bobcat. My grapple weighs 450lbs I use it to unload tree trimming and move big logs. With out ballast. Yes I really need ballast. He is using forks attached to a bucket. Your jd can't lift it like that either. I love the jd 1025r I got the bobcat because of price. I'm glad I did. in comparison they both have the same lift capacity.
@freedomlawnservice19872 жыл бұрын
@@timrappoccio0811Marine 1025r smokes this tractor as far as lifting especially curl
@freedomlawnservice19872 жыл бұрын
Glad I didn’t get one of these daewong motors these things are a joke when lifting especially curl
@markbennett7442 жыл бұрын
Bobcat all day long... having the additional rear weight will help balance the appropriate lifting load.
@julianason2363 жыл бұрын
Great back to back review. To me looks like Polar wins for daily/weekly cleans with the handle, and CB wins for yearly clean out access.
@joecampbell45793 жыл бұрын
Cleaning the heat exchanger that is very true, both furnaces do require a little more annual maintenance than is fully shown in the video. But that would make another good comparison video!
@jorrick663 жыл бұрын
I just bought a classic edge 560 over a heat master g4000 because of the heat exchanger difference. For me, I felt like scraping the central’s heat exchanger by hand once a week was no more work than having to take the roof off of a heat master, to get the turbulators out, to brush the heat exchanger tubes.
@joecampbell45793 жыл бұрын
The heat exchanger on the Polar only has to brushed clean at the end of the season otherwise you can just turn the handle on the side. It is around the same amount of work to clean the central boiler weekly as the Polar annually.
@jorrick663 жыл бұрын
@@joecampbell4579 I guess I’ll find out next season if I made a mistake or not lol
@joecampbell45793 жыл бұрын
@@jorrick66 I don’t think you made a mistake at all, you made a good choice to burn wood in the first place! I ran that CB for around 1/2 the season and it ran good for me, I don’t think you will have any issues with it.
@jorrick663 жыл бұрын
@@joecampbell4579 good to know. It was definitely a tough decision to make
@josephcampbell18868 жыл бұрын
NR racing and affordable go karts for the most part, the pipe came straight from Robertson Torque Tubes and the cam came straight from Tim Isky it was the Black Mamba Jr. and performed really well at these RPMs.
@wyattmichaud17178 жыл бұрын
where did you get the aftermarket parts from? and approximately how much were they?thanks
@joecampbell457911 жыл бұрын
It is all the open (WOT) the boat is a 1436 with a floor trolling motor and battery I'm about 210 it was way slower stock. The cam made a big difference. This motor stock with only me in the boat would do about 9 GPS. That was when it was brand spanking new.
@PowellPerformance11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting the videos Joe, but unless thats a real heavy boat it should go 11-13mph stock as long as your using all your throttle. I get an average of 12-13mph on a 1432 alumacraft with about 350lbs in the boat. I'm curious to know if your throttle stop adjuster screw is backed all the way out?
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It's not a tractor or Bobcat issue. He wants the 1025 to do more than what it is rated to do. I have a 1021 and it works great for what I need. I have been in situations where I maxed the capabilities out. It's not the tractor or Bobcats fault, I should of got a bigger tractor.
Nice job on the animation keep up the good work. Next time just use a better song.
I got two seasons out of mine ,but I don't know how long this M60 sat on the lot before I bought it,65 hours of use .
Exactly... It's a huge deal and the biggest lie from bobcat...
Prime example of someone not knowing what they are doing. No matter what size tractor you wanna lift something with, and no matter what the lift or curl capacity is when you put the forks on the end of a bucket like that you cut it about a fourth of what it actually is.
😂 it also cuts lift capacity because the weight is further from the pin. A tractor should always curl more than it can lift at equal distances from the pin which this machine clearly cannot. The log is also rolled back all the way to the edge of the bucket. This is not my first subcompact tractor and a proven design flaw, my previous Kubota BX would have zero issues with this same task. Doesn’t matter how much you can lift if you can’t keep the bucket level.
Hi! I would like to ask you how you clean those spiral turbulators? For me this thing is really time consuming and I would like to know how other people do this.. thanks
I don't think you know what your talking about. On the edge just move the metal piece between the heat exchangers up and down the ash will fall down.
That will not get heat exchanger clean enough to reduce the stack temp. If you have a high stack temp you are blowing BTU’S straight out the chimney and the only way to get the stack temp into a range that is acceptable is to remove the turbulators and scrub.
So Fantastic but wondering where they made?
Made in Canada
Great comparison video! There aren't a lot of people running these 2 boilers/furnaces side by side so it's great to see the differences. I'd love to see more.
Parts look expensive to me. But I like the furnace
Hey Jesse thanks for the comment. The parts are actually really affordable because they are not proprietary to Polar like several of the other manufacturers. Both Heat Master and Central Boiler use proprietary electronics. Everything on a Polar can be purchased at any H-VAC supply shop and most of it is Honeywell.
get a set of pallet forks, get that log way closer to the pins.
That paint will come off with continued use, I just keep a can of of grey primer handy
Hi thanks for the video (I'm one of your subscribers now). I'm considering a Polar G3. Do you still recommend them? I like them over others I've looked at (Heatmaster G4000 and Froling S3) since they're simpler without all the computers and electronics, but are still gasification units and burn less wood (and qualify for the tax credit). Why did you go with a Polar? The heatmaster and froling are good units, but seem very complicated. It seems to me these are less complicated, but somehow still perform well.
Hey Jeff thanks for the reply and add. I think you kind of answered your question for me. Really it was the simple design and made the most sense. I’m a fan of the Froling out side of the fact that you need thermal storage and that didn’t work in my case. The next closest thing was the Polar and I have a few friends that have them and all had good things to say. Honestly just like the design and how it runs. If I could do it all over again I would buy the Polar still.
Definitely no adhesion, possible cause of it is bad prep light oil on the surface can cause this ie wd40
yes a great design for the refractory BUT everyone I know that has one they only lasted if your lucky about 5 years and then start leaking. Mine lasted 10 by the grace of God I'm told and now mine is leaking as well...now what?? Left to spend at least another 15k to replace it.... not ideal
This is the first time I have heard of any of them lasting less than 5 years. I have three other close friends with Polars that are also carbon steel, one has been running for 8 years, one 6, and me and another at 5 with no issues at all. That is too bad to hear about yours, why not just weld it up and keep running it? The new ones are also stainless, I will go this way if my fails or I can sell mine for good price.
I had bought mine in 2012...shortly there after I had family and friends interested in it so I recommended it to them...My aunt got a little over a year out of there Furnace... started leaking. Another family member is on his second one because of leaking issues and is going to change his up because he is so scared it will start leaking in the middle of winter and leave him in a bad situation..There is at least 3 or 4 other people in the community I know of with the same problem...It's disappointing for me because I just loved the whole aspect of that Furnace and only burned about 9 cords this year.
@@jamieprince2514 yeah, I feel they are the best designed furnace on the market still. I do think that the carbon steel was not the best choice of materials for sure. It’s good to see they changed that going forward. You can have a 304 stainless firebox welded into your carbon steel water jacket. If I don’t upgrade or go bigger that is the route I will take.
Pretty heavy log for that tractor and you are a ways away from the pivot point. Try it with real pallet forks.
Heat master all day long.
Heatmaster makes a very nice wood furnace as well, that was my close second.
Awesome boiler. I have an econoburn 200. Works great but is no where near the engineering of the polar. How much is that unit. I paid 10,000 for the econoburn 200. I had to build an exhaust fan system for loading. My boiler is in my basement and loading was pretty smokey. Can the polar be installed in a basement? Thanks for the vid. If I had seen this when I was doing my research to buy a boiler. I would have had to call them for sure.
Polar is one of the only outdoor wood furnaces that is UL listed for indoor use. I bought mine almost 5 years ago now and it was comparable price wise with the rest of the gasification systems on the market then, I dont sell them so I can comment on current pricing. I do know that the gassers are more expensive than the traditional wood burners. Thanks for watching the video, best wishes!
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Not sure what your expectations were considering its such a heavy log judging by how its lifting the rear of the tractor. Seems to be lifting well above its capacity for size
It does lift quite well given the size, however I would expect it to curl more than it lifts. The rates numbers for curl are around 1100 pounds and 700 for lift. This tractor will lift way more than it will curl which is frustrating. My Kubota BX was the opposite.
@@joecampbell4579 yea your right every tractor I’ve owned if I couldn’t lift it id curl it to get it off the ground. That is odd
Did you ever get this diagnosed? My CT1025 has trouble curling a bucket of topsoil. Much bigger than my old BX1880 but sure doesn’t show it.
@@ps9043 I have not I need to run to the dealership to grab some parts one of these days, and I’ll talk to them about it but I’m not hopeful.
Saw on another page this dude upper the psi to 2100. Maybe that makes it curl more
Is it possible to turn the blower all the way up and dump sand into the firebox to "sand the flues" like on a steam locomotive? I'm guessing the air velocity is too low, but I don't know
I am about to run my Polar G series and this is a great video. Hoping you can do a video of the complete annual services required to keep it in good running order. Thanks again./
😭🚜🚫↔️🏠
Each additional 40°F in the flue temperature reduces the efficiency 1%.
Have you ever looked an EPA test report, because that is completely untrue. I would recommend checking a few out they are free and have to be publicly available for any EPA approved furnaces.
more like 2-3%
Why is there a label that must be removed with nothing more on it than "Label must be removed"???? And if you say it's a vent cover because they don't want dust in something....................
You got it, it’s for shipping, there are luvers under that label.
Turn your phone
I looked at these and really wanted one until dealer sent to my house. It wouldn’t lift shit. I got the John Deere 1025r will lift twice the weight easily
My brother has a 1025r we will do the same test with his machine and post a video here soon.
Not true. I own the bobcat. My grapple weighs 450lbs I use it to unload tree trimming and move big logs. With out ballast. Yes I really need ballast. He is using forks attached to a bucket. Your jd can't lift it like that either. I love the jd 1025r I got the bobcat because of price. I'm glad I did. in comparison they both have the same lift capacity.
@@timrappoccio0811Marine 1025r smokes this tractor as far as lifting especially curl
Glad I didn’t get one of these daewong motors these things are a joke when lifting especially curl
Bobcat all day long... having the additional rear weight will help balance the appropriate lifting load.
Great back to back review. To me looks like Polar wins for daily/weekly cleans with the handle, and CB wins for yearly clean out access.
Cleaning the heat exchanger that is very true, both furnaces do require a little more annual maintenance than is fully shown in the video. But that would make another good comparison video!
I just bought a classic edge 560 over a heat master g4000 because of the heat exchanger difference. For me, I felt like scraping the central’s heat exchanger by hand once a week was no more work than having to take the roof off of a heat master, to get the turbulators out, to brush the heat exchanger tubes.
The heat exchanger on the Polar only has to brushed clean at the end of the season otherwise you can just turn the handle on the side. It is around the same amount of work to clean the central boiler weekly as the Polar annually.
@@joecampbell4579 I guess I’ll find out next season if I made a mistake or not lol
@@jorrick66 I don’t think you made a mistake at all, you made a good choice to burn wood in the first place! I ran that CB for around 1/2 the season and it ran good for me, I don’t think you will have any issues with it.
@@joecampbell4579 good to know. It was definitely a tough decision to make
NR racing and affordable go karts for the most part, the pipe came straight from Robertson Torque Tubes and the cam came straight from Tim Isky it was the Black Mamba Jr. and performed really well at these RPMs.
where did you get the aftermarket parts from? and approximately how much were they?thanks
It is all the open (WOT) the boat is a 1436 with a floor trolling motor and battery I'm about 210 it was way slower stock. The cam made a big difference. This motor stock with only me in the boat would do about 9 GPS. That was when it was brand spanking new.
Thanks for posting the videos Joe, but unless thats a real heavy boat it should go 11-13mph stock as long as your using all your throttle. I get an average of 12-13mph on a 1432 alumacraft with about 350lbs in the boat. I'm curious to know if your throttle stop adjuster screw is backed all the way out?
Sweet!