I'm a sound engineer working with live sound for 20+ years. I work primarily with the Waves LV1 mixer and all of the Waves plugins. On this channel I show tips and trix for mixing live sound. I show things on the LV1 mixer but a lot of things can be implemented on any digital console.
If you have any questions or suggestions for a topic let me know.
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Can I use it to create a 128 channel console?
No not really. In theory you could use 64 on one console and send stereo out to the second one for additional 62 channels. But it would be messy with auxes. But it’s 64 mono or stereo channels on each console. So if you only have stereo channels you have 128 inputs per console. Bottom line. It’s a 64 channel console.
Can you go over the proper start up and shut down process? And if there is a way to make it a one button operation.
Nice build! What are your studio monitor stands?? Looks like painted black books and a brick each?
The monitor stands are in deed books painted black. About 300 books on each side. Screwed and glued together. Weight: North of a metric ton.
@@joevegna awesome! Absolutely love it, looks killer!
very nice video. I would like to know. possible to connect waves superrack performer to Berhinger flow8? if so, we would also be impatiently waiting for the video 😊👌
I'm not sure, but it would surprise me if you can run SuperRack on a flow8. I don't have any flow8 so I can't really try.
What case are you using?
Custom built. Check it out here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/k2WtrdBwh6zXfZs.html
Have you done a video on the sound panels in your studio? I want to know more about them and their construction.
Oh, no I have not. That’s a good idea. Will do a video on that as soon as I have a minute.
I've built a custom Soundgrid system using custom servers and Soundgrid Studio mixer (don't have the budget for LV1 yet), and I wanted suggest 3m dual lock tape instead of the tape you used to mount your Digigrid D. It holds items even better and is 100% reusable. It's quite popular amongst pedalboard builders, but I've been using it everywhere lately. I have to use a leaver to dismount my servers, for example, this how secure it is.
Cool, I have to check that out. Thanks.
Good job 👍🏼 Bit how do you control your PFL level on the headphones?
Either through the brush plate in the front or through the “handle” on the side. It’s not the best solution in the world, but good enough.
nice work Joe. how does your monitor travel with it? do you put in a divider in a pelican between the fit and screen?
Just some foam between FIT and monitor. Everything fits into the Pelican case.
What about the preamps and a/d converter? Works well for recording and mixing in the studio? Thanks
I have really only used it in a live situation, not studio. My initial thoughts are that it’s fine. Nothing more, nothing less. A step up from something like a Scarlet, but not at the level of something like an Apollo. So for many this would be a great device, both in studio and live.
I love NLS and yes, it’s great on horns. Sometimes I can even push in the “mic” button for a lot more and it’ll still rock 👌🏼🔥
Yeah, using the mic button is a bold move that can be really rewarding 😎
Sir make a video stage monitor plugin
I will look into that 😎
Nice
SOOOOO....I know Digigrid as an outboard EFX processor for DANTE or other various ethernet solutions. I have ZERO idea of what this box is, as you prefaced it with absolutely nothing. I can see that it is an audio interface, but is that all? What protocol? If it's just an interface, WHY? What makes this better than most? Nice to know that it gets warm...not a very inclusive or comprehensive review.
Yeah now that you point it out I can see that I should've give it a bit more context to what the box actually is. It's not Dante but Soundgrid. Basically just a audio interface for the Soundgrid network. Thanks for your feedback, I will take this into account in future videos.
Recorded on phone with no processing after? Or it's the mix recorded from master?
Recorded on iPhone with no processing after.
This is a fantastic video!!! It seems that the I/O, stageboxes, and server need to all run on stage. What also seems to need to happen is having a backup cat5 or 6 run and also a backup computer at FOH for redundancy.
Basically you are spot on. It's not possible to have a connected computer on stage for redundancy sadly. But if everything but the host is on stage you are probably at the most secure state with the Soundgrid network. There are a bit of redundancy issues to sort out for Waves in order to make this 100% secure.
Can preamp gain be controled on software control pannel or LV1? I'm surprised to learn those knobs are not stepped encoders calibrated to db, no way to know the current gain, and headphone share the mix with out 1&2. Consider its price and how good other Waves IOs are, this is kind of a let down.
The pre amp can not be controlled on the LV1. Only on the unstepped and unmarked gain knob. For my use it’s not a big deal. But I can see where this is not ideal, so I thought it was important to point out. For many all of these things might, put together, be a dealbreaker.
Great units and been solid for us. POE works fine. You have definately flagged alot of the issues with this unit which is annoying but definately not a show stopper. Hopefully if they ever release a v2 of it, they get it better especially with the metering and also all the other things you mentioned :) fingers crossed.
Thanks for sharing your insights and I agree. Room for improvement but not a show stopper. And it is kind of old so a v2 would be appropriate.
Great choice on the OLLOs. I've been using them for 2 years and I think they are one of the best kept secrets - especially the incredible value.
Oh yeah. The ones in the video are actually S3 from like 3 years ago with the new ear muffs. I'm waiting for them to break and go for S4. But they are so well built so even with 3 years on the road they feel like new. I have the S4X in the studio. Absolute incredible value.
It’s a good interface but what I hate about the Digigrid D is that outputs 1&2 are linked to the headphones output instead of having them as separate outputs like the digigrid iox
Couldn’t agree more. For me it’s not a big issue but I would absolutely prefer to have them as separate outputs.
PoE Needs switches that Provide the power…
Yeah, I suppose mine doesn't. Or rather ... obviously mine doesn't.
Very been using it for years now and PoE doesn't work for me either
@@joevegna Waves recommends e.g. this one with PoE: Cisco SG250-08HP 8-Port Gigabit PoE Smart Switch Which Switch do you use?
@@joevegna this one also works: TL-SG108PE 8-Port Gigabit PoE,
In this case I only have the Netgear 108. I am looking to upgrade to the AV line but yeah, they are a bit pricy.
I’m planning also to get one, so my question is how you’re using the D? I’ll have that in a second setup with no FIT. Just a small 17ch license and a server one (Digigrid IOS). Is it possible to route two matrixes to the outputs, because you said the headphones are linked to the monitor outputs. Cheers
In practice you have headphones + 1 stereo line out. So the monitor output is more for studio use or if you have a shout box at FOH. You can off course use it as a second stereo line out, but then you lose the practical use of the headphone out. So I would look at it as headphones + main out.
@@joevegna ok thanks… but for a small setup it’s totally fine, as I’m not using tons of matrixes anyways. So you have to make some compromises there, but I’m fine with that. Thanks ✌🏼
Great video, although I would make the callers part a bit more difficult for You, because it is actually sometimes necessary for the callers to hear each other.
That’s a good point. I would create a separate aux send for each caller. Or is there an even better way?
Excellent video my friend!
Thanks. Hopefully there were some insights or at least some different ideas of how to think about routing.
You run everything post and pre to individuals mixes. How do you run side fills and wedges?
The starting point for me is to run everything post fader if I'm the dedicated monitor engineer. If I run monitors (and side fills) from FOH the starting point is pre fader. But then there are exceptions that really comes down to personal preference or special needs.
Can you do a video on how you will mix for a live stream from LV1? Perhaps you will use the FOH mix in a matrix? 😊
That's actually in the making. Just need to find some time to hit rec on the camera :)
@@joevegna sweet. You rock!
EV2 on every FOH input channel works nicely in a live situation as well. Compressor into EQ is magical and isolating eq selections is quick and useful. At 96k it is a processor hog but that's what the Titan is for.
Absolutely. Great sounding stuff!
Thanks :)
Hi Joe, great video again! Do you hit the preamp button on your doubled monitor channels? I do, so I can always change it to taste for my FOH mix.
I don’t think I did. That’s smart, I’m going to steal that idea right away 👍🏻
Very nice videos, Joe! 🤩🤩
Very nice console Filip :)
This was extremely helpful, thank you 😊
Awesome! Glad you like it 😎
Great video Joe. What ethernet dongle has been working welll for you on the Macbook Air? also m2 or m3 air? tks
I use the Unisynk 10-Port USB-C hub. It has been working flawlessly. Macbook Air M1.
@@joevegna thanks. ive been using the OWC10G ones which have been working well. just chunky and big.
i like the case on the left. witch one is that?
Look up Kalv1 on google
It’s the “Kalv1”. www.amplitudeaudio.se/product/kalv1-kassaapparaten/
I like it too 😍😍
Mix mirror app is still working because your host computer is also connected to your wireless router via Wi-Fi. But if you turn the Wi-Fi off on your host computer then mix mirror will disconnect
The strange thing is that the wifi card is disabled in the host computer. And it has never been connected to the router via wifi so it doesn't even know the password. But then again that's the only explanation so ... yeah, I don't know. Ghosts? Magic?
do you have links to a setup like this in the same way you have for an initial setup?
Sure thing. At the bottom of this page. It's called "MONITOR ENGINEER" joevegna.com/lv1/
Joe, the L/R fader bug you mentioned around 2:15 was fixed a week ago. Reinstall LV1 and this issue will be gone.
Oh really, that's awesome. Thanks a lot.
Actually oddly enough, the problems that you have with the slow layer changes and weird fader behavior are not problems with the fit, but rather with the LV1 software. If you try the fit with other software, like for example mixing station, it is very fast to change layers and much more responsive.
Yes, very true!! I actually am in touch with the waves support team and have left a LOT of suggestions for features! And yeah the implementation in mixingstation is actually better from my point of view! Not also the fader speed but also the knob eq/comp/gate section is insane!
Ah, ok. Well that makes sense. And also means that it's possible to fix with software updates. Thanks.
The faders are capacitive. If you move a fader with your nail, it will flip back. If you make contact with your finger it should normally not be stuck. Maybe this helps.
Yeah, that might be it actually. Thanks.
TIL what Spill is used for. I just thought that button would knock over my 🍺. Do you use a case for the Fit and monitor? I see there are a few companies that sell them but they are about as expensive as the Fit controller.
If you place your 🍺 on the FIT, the spill button will spill your beer 🍺. The cases are expensive. So I built my own. Check out one of my first videos, perhaps the absolute first one. I show how I build my custom case. And I’m looking to buy another LV1, so there might be one more build video in a month or two.
Thanks Again for great Video! Maybe you can do a Video with your Work Around with FIT Controller / and are you happy with FIT? Maybe some improvements? 🙂
FIT video: On it's way :)
@@joevegna 😍
when you disconnected at ~5 minutes, in a state where the FOH server was the master, and I understood that you hoped that the thing would actually stay up when the FOH switch shuts down - because You had the master clock attached to the FOH stage box, that's why everything died , but if you had the clock attached to the Stage BOX, then the sound should have remained functional. EDIT - You came up with it yourself in the 13th minute
Yeah there was some confusion. But we both came to the same conclusion 😀
I’ve had my LV1 host break down on me only once during the second song into a show. Audio was still going to PA and monitors. Band didn’t notice anything! Even my TTS mic was still working via DsPro1000. When I asked the band to be quiet for a couple of seconds in between song, I restarted LV1 software and audio was only interrupted for about 3 seconds maximum. Shows was back on again!! 👌🏻 My setup: - DsPro4000 on stage / master - Extreme C X10on stage / main server - DsPro1000 at FOH - Extreme server X9 at FOH / redundant I always set up / turn on stage before FOH, and check redundancy before sound/linecheck.
Thanks for sharing. I think I need to switch things around to have it setup as you describe.
Thanks for your insight bro! Love these videos!
Thanks, appreciate it 🙏
I have both servers, switch and stagebox as master clock on stage. The only thing at FOH is the host and some IO for talkback and PFL. Seems to me the most logical, as most bandwidth is between the server and IO, so there is short good quality shielded cables between the server and stagebox. The cable between stage and FOH is usually provided by the sound company when I'm doing festivals or bigger stages and that way I don't have to worry too much if that cable has perfect signal integrity.
Cool. Yeah that sounds like the mist logical thing. I need to switch things around and set it up as you described.
The best solution i think is: 1. server on stage 2. host on stage running LV1 app 3. master IO on stage (LV1 will never fallback to the FOH io as master) 4. host on FOH running RUSTDESK (or Teamviewer) and control LV1 app remotely (just the same way as MixMirror does) 5. Advanced: Using MIDI over Ethernet like BOME to remotely control LV1 on stage with Waves FIT controller Between STAGE and FOH you need 2 cat5e: 1 for audio, 1 for remote access (or basic comuputer network) I think you have done remote access network but just via WIFI (this can work also but i like the cable)
You might be right. I'm a bit afraid of adding more complexity with Rustdesk and Bome. More things that might break. Then again, IF they break, the show goes on. Thanks for your input.
Would Teamviewer/Rustdesk recognise input changes from the fit controller?
@@AlexanderGibbonsAudio No directly, but this is not the case,bcause you can have BOME klient at LV1 host on stage, ane BOME cllient at FOH host... so FIT connected via USB to the FOH host, patchet virtualy via BOME as midi device via network to LV1 host at stage
@@joevegna Yes exactly. It is more complex but if something died (like you said more things that might break...) but if will... nothing really happend.. evertyhing just works and show continue.. only what you "lost" is control over LV1 but this is the same when broke something what you tried plus will be noticable audio drop..
Right. I think I need to rearrange things.
I have always server and stagebox with master clock on stage and only the host computer, sometimes with talkback stuff too, at FOH.
Oh really. Well to me that makes sense. I might start doing the same. Thanks for sharing. Appreciate it.
Waves recommends having the main interface and server close together too. I think your way is the way to go.