So the way the guy from "meadowlark adventure gear" tiller his bows. He takes only a little off the belly side of the bamboo. But not much because bamboo is more Condense on the shiny rind outside of the bow and thats where the strength lies. But what he does is, he takes off material from the sides of the bow when he is tillering. So the bow becomes thinner innthe limbs from the sides, not from the belly but rather from the sides and he actually got a bamboo bow design to draw to past 29 inches. Pretty awesome. But he got about only about 35 pounds in draw weight with that deaign. But thats still awesome.
@m.bitiousКүн бұрын
Yeah, that was my mistake - I removed to much from the wrong side. Classic impatience problem 🙄
@musaadfelton3909Күн бұрын
@@m.bitious still a cool design though. Are you going to try and remake it at some point? Would be a cool project to see. I think I would learn a lot from it. However I am in the process of trying it myself
@m.bitiousКүн бұрын
@@musaadfelton3909 hey, for now I'm focussing on the flight bow. After that I wanted to build some ottoman arrows. But we'll see - I still have some bamboo in the basement 😂
@musaadfelton3909Күн бұрын
@@m.bitious man I'm excited to see your build. 😁💪👍
@musaadfelton3909Күн бұрын
I really enjoy your videos. I would have loved to see a remake of this bow design. Have you ever tried this design again? Have you seen "Meadowlark Adventure Gear" youtube channel. The guy is brilliant. He designs and makes bamboo back and belly bows with no core. I am in the proces of trying a bow like this. But I am making the backing strip more thinner so that it can be more flexible under tension and i am making the belly strip a bit thicker than the backing strip, to be stronger under compression and I am tempering the belly strip on both the rind side of the bamboo and the inside of the bamboo so that it hardens the bamboo a bit so that its better under compression and so that the bamboo dont take so much set or string follow. One thing I would like to ask you is do you think it can work to make a siyah that will sit on top of the back of this bow design? Like "dave mead longbows" horse bow design, but just adding a belly strip. Instead of laminating it inside of the two pieces. Do you think that the back and belly can be glued together all the way to the end and then a siyah can be glued on top of the bow and then tied down with a wrap to strengthen the joint? Thats one difference in design im going to try. What do you think about that?
@m.bitiousКүн бұрын
I definetly think that could work. If I'm not entirely wrong that's the way korean bows are made. They basically glue two bamboo limbs together (they temper the ends so that you have an even shape), add the handle on top and wrap it with very thin and flexible bamboo stips/ore with rope. Applying the siyah might work the same way, but I'm not sure about that, because there's a lot of bending force at work there. Here's a video that shows this handle process pretty good at arount 8:40 min: kzread.info/dash/bejne/aahhw82Oedetk5s.html 😊. Cheers
@musaadfelton3909Күн бұрын
@@m.bitious I hear you with regards to the amount of bending force that will come into play. Makes sense. I guess I'm going to have to work around that
@m.bitiousКүн бұрын
@@musaadfelton3909 please keep me posted, it sounds like an exciting project. I hope everything turns out good - fingers are crossed!!! Cheers, my friend
@musaadfelton3909Күн бұрын
@@m.bitious if it comes out OK. I will message you 😁👍
@mehmeterengun3682 күн бұрын
👍👌
@m.bitious2 күн бұрын
@@mehmeterengun368 ☺️
@musaadfelton39099 күн бұрын
When you going to throw some arrows with this bow? Would love to see.
@musaadfelton39099 күн бұрын
This bow will last a lifetime. This will be able to be handed down to your kids. These videos must be kept and documented as part of the bow
@musaadfelton39099 күн бұрын
Woooow 🎉🎉🎉 lets gooooooooo🥳🥳😁😁😁👌👌👌👌
@m.bitious9 күн бұрын
Thanks a lot, my friend 😊😊😊😊😊😊
@musaadfelton39099 күн бұрын
Wow i cant believe the amount of time and effort and patience goes into these builds. I knew it takes a long time but this gave a full view of the process. Amazing
@m.bitious9 күн бұрын
Yeah, that's true! When I started this project I estimated roughly 5 month ... in the end it was almost a whole year. It's a waiting game sometimes ... especially the 3 month+ of drying the sinew layers. But it's worth every second. And hey, there's absolutely no hectic involved. That makes it a very chill project 😊
@musaadfelton39099 күн бұрын
@@m.bitious I got so excited watching this build. Im actually also about to start a bow build. I'm using bamboo as a core. My bamboo was drying for a couple of months. So I'm still deciding what materials to use. I won't be able to get horn so I guess I'm going to have to use modern material like either carbon fibre or fibreglass. I will make the fibreglass strips from scratch too. But one day I would really like to make a traditional bow made with traditional materials. But amazing work bro and this is really amazing craftsmanship. Thanks for sharing your project with us. I got excited watching it
@m.bitious9 күн бұрын
@@musaadfelton3909 hey my friend, there's plenty of not very expensive options ... this guy will give you some ideas: kzread.info/dash/bejne/l4d_2c-blLfal7w.html I always wantet to try hide from dog chewing knots 😊 ... for me glassfiber worked good (see my video with the snakeskin backing) but it's a mess to work with (an very itchy). Oh, regarding the horn - it doesn't have to be waterbuffalo ... antelope, goat or springbok might work as well. maybe there is an affordable horn option you didn't think of yet? all the best, my friend and have lots of fun crafting bows! 😊
@musaadfelton39099 күн бұрын
@@m.bitious thank you for sharing this info. I actually asked around at a 1 or 2 farms if they have Goat horns if they can keep for me. But I'm waiting. Sorry that I commented on every video lol. I was watching all of it then I commented as I was watching.
@m.bitious9 күн бұрын
@@musaadfelton3909 🤣 no problem at all. If you have more questions just ask. I try to answer as quickly as possible. For the flightbow I'm working on right now I ordered already cut horn strips from an online barber shop (they use it for razor handles) ... it wasn't too expensive, maybe the ship to south africa. Just in case, here is the link: drdittmar.com/products/buffelhorn-streifen-53-56-cm-lange-5-mm-starke
@musaadfelton39099 күн бұрын
This is amazing precision work. Wow. 👌 may i ask. Will wood glue be as the hide glue? Or maybe even epoxy resin? Could a person replace the hide glue with either wood glue or epoxy resin?
@m.bitious9 күн бұрын
To be honest, I would not recommend it because wood glue and epoxy tend to harden until they get brittle. that makes it a less ideal option for attaching the horn and as well for the sinew layers. Because the will bend, stretch and compress a lot - the glue should be flexibel as well. Nevertheless, I guess epoxy would work for the wooden core (the joints between handle and limbs) - but there's hundreds of years of try and error within this process - I would really recommend to stick with the hide and fishbladder glue. If you try your luck with epoxy, please let mi know how it turned out. All the best
@musaadfelton39099 күн бұрын
@@m.bitious thank you for your priceless feedback and response. I appreciate it. I understand completely. 👍 I'm in South Africa and it's very difficult to get these materials because if I buy things like horn kinda locally it's very expensive and if I have to ship any product from over sea then Shipping costs are very expensive. So I was looking for alternatives wih the glue. But I will see how things work out. For now I will not be making such a master crafted bow lol😁😂 not yet. For now I'm going to try and make a bow with natural and modern day material combined and see how it turns out.
@m.bitious9 күн бұрын
@@musaadfelton3909 hey, that sounds great. no matter the materials. crafting bows is an absolute beautiful hobby. I understand the problem with the shipping costs. I guess it doesn't have to be water buffalo. horn from a goat, a sprinbok or an antilope might work as well. maybe there's a less costly option for you. and you can make hideglue by yourself. I guess it's kind of a messy process but it's an option if you don't have a purchase option. this guy does it, for example: kzread.info/dash/bejne/oI2tl9aGf9OuerA.html ... or this guy: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y6mXz9aHn67Jl8o.html cheers, my friend
@musaadfelton39099 күн бұрын
@@m.bitious Thanks for sharing these video links. Appreciate it. Man I just think that there is a different experience to archery when you craft your own equipment. You really become one with your bow. You respect it more. You are able to feel through your own limbs the strengths and weaknesses in the bow limbs. It's just amazing. It makes you a better archer because it makes you whole, understanding every process of making the bow and then transferring that into using the bow.
@m.bitious9 күн бұрын
@@musaadfelton3909 couldn't have said it better, you are perfectly right. and it teaches you patience because one false cut, scrape or draw and weeks of hard work are just destroyed 🤣... I had to learn that the hard way. Cheers
@musaadfelton39099 күн бұрын
Wooow😁😁😁😁😁😁 got goosebumps
@m.bitious9 күн бұрын
Thanks a lot, my friend, that's very kind 😊. Cheers
@user-zg1zl9xx4t12 күн бұрын
Where did you get the ostrich sinew ? Let me know if you have time thanks for sharing
@m.bitious11 күн бұрын
Hey mate, I ordered it online (I'm not sure if there's an english Version of this site): www.dictum.com/de/knochen-zaehne-sehnen-cfc/straussensehnen-5-stueck-831247 I hope that helps. Cheers
@cardistry_et_magie20 күн бұрын
👍
@jacksparow2520 күн бұрын
See you soon❎️ See you in next life✅️
@m.bitious20 күн бұрын
Aye, aye, captain 😉
@jackobmazurkewicz20 күн бұрын
awesome job, I recently finished my first turkish flight composite bow
@m.bitious20 күн бұрын
Thanks a lot, that's very kind 🙂 What's the draw weight of your flight bow? Cheers, my friend
@jackobmazurkewicz20 күн бұрын
@@m.bitious about 45 pounds by 28 inches, but I didn't measure. 108cm ntn. I have a Facebook page where I post posts with bows, I can't post a link, YT doesn't allow it, but it's called "Traditional bows kuba mazurkiewicz-traditional handmade bows"
@m.bitious20 күн бұрын
@@jackobmazurkewicz thanks a lot, I will check it out
@m.bitious20 күн бұрын
@@jackobmazurkewicz oh wow, I see you're totally into ottoman bows. That looks great. Maybe I should work on more than one at the same time, too 😀. How do you plan on coating the sinew? Cheers, my friend
@jackobmazurkewicz20 күн бұрын
@@m.bitious for now, I will do one at a time, i.e. I will glue the horn and place the tendons one at a time. When I gain experience, I will glue 3 at a time, this Turkish horn bow of mine is made of muflon horn bamboo and deer sinew with hide glue. the core is made of bamboo, mulberry and acacia
@toufikbayet280520 күн бұрын
Great Job! .My question is what are the last angels of bow?? and what are the angels of the bendding jig?? Thank you .
@m.bitious20 күн бұрын
Hey, so far the angle at the handle is 15°, at the kasan eye 35° and between kasan and tip it is 45° - so over all slightly more than 90° - but I will increase the angles when applying the sinew. The bedding jig itself has two angles. The first one is around 40° (but a little bit more rounded), the second one is roughly 50°. I hope that helps. Cheers
@Couponuser1621 күн бұрын
How does it feel in your hands? Because wow, that has a pretty shape already. Great work, glad to see you were able to get this posted!
@m.bitious21 күн бұрын
Hey mate, it feels surprisingly light so far. But it's it has a good balance. But compared to my first ottoman it feels really elegant (don't wanna say tiny 😀). Cheers
@Couponuser1620 күн бұрын
@@m.bitious I believe it! When you were scraping at 7:35 I couldn't help but think how comfortable that handle looks. And you are right, "elegant" is the right word. The lines you have on this bow where the horn + wood meet as well as the v-joint handle you showed at the very end look incredible. Just excellent & elegant work yet again! Hope your business trip went well!
@m.bitious20 күн бұрын
@@Couponuser16 thanks a lot, my friend. And it really vibrates great. If you hold the grip and knock on a limb it vibrates just perfect. Feels like beeing pretty close to final dimensions. Even without sinew. Yeah my trip was all right. In the end we had to fly because all trains were grounded due to heavy rainfall. That sucked a bit from an ecological perspective. But anyways, I'm happy to be back home again 😊. Cheers, my friend
@Couponuser1620 күн бұрын
@@m.bitious I hear you about the frustrations, but I am glad to hear you are back home and comfortable. Hope you are having an otherwise pleasant Spring and that your Summer is sunny!
@m.bitious19 күн бұрын
@@Couponuser16 you're totally right. Who needs good weather 😉 - family and health are way more important. Nevertheless I whish you plenty of sun and blue skies, too 🙃
@anwarchouai934727 күн бұрын
ماشاء الله
@m.bitious23 күн бұрын
Thanks a lot, my friend
@erasulero8408Ай бұрын
where did you find the drawings? can you share the documents?
@m.bitiousАй бұрын
Hey my friend, you mean the handwritten measurements? I wrote them down in the video description. I used Adam Karpowicz book about ottoman composite as a source. I hope that answers you question. If not please give me the video timecode of the drawing you referring to. Cheers, my friend 🙂
@Couponuser16Ай бұрын
I still can't get over how casually you went to a 5-part construction on this bow. A 1 part self bow is its own artform, and a 3 part is just so much more complex. But a 5 part? Handle + Limbs + Tips on both sides with V joints? Sheesh. You're gonna end up making a 7 part Manchu bow with handle, arms, brains, and tips at some point and act like it is no big deal, aren't you? Also some advice if this gets to decoration, I recommend writing this in arabic: "وَمَا رَمَيْتَ إِذْ رَمَيْتَ وَلَٰكِنَّ اللَّهَ رَمَىٰ" which translated to "It is not you who threw [the arrow] when you shot, but God who threw [the arrow]". It is what historians think the Ottoman "Archer's Secret" was which was the final piece of training an archer received in Ottoman tradition, and it was a portion of the Quranic Verse 8:17 ( 17th verse of 'Al-Anfal') Really excited to see how this turns out. If this one works out as well as your other Ottoman bow, you might need to start planning a trip along the Danube to Istanbul. They have an awesome archery complex and I could almost guarantee you'd run into legit, museum associated, experts on those exact bow designs. I can't stress enough how cool it is that you are doing this.
@m.bitiousАй бұрын
Wow, that is really nice of you. Thank you so much! I want to spoil anything - but so far it really looks good. The horn and wood really connected (almost) perfectly. And the V joints look pretty solid. I'm almost done shaping the core, but I have to make a business trip that will last a whole week. So I try to finish shaping this weekend because cutting and uploading would be possible while travelling. But I can't make any promises. If I come to Istanbul I will definetly follow your recommendation 😊 . Regarding the writing - I'm not sure how to name this bow yet, but it will definetly have to do something with the building process 😉. But nevertheless, thanks for the insight on that. I wish you all the best, my friend. Until next time 🙃
@Couponuser16Ай бұрын
@@m.bitious I'm really excited for when the next video drops. I've been going back and watching old videos on your channel, you are quite the impressive craftsman. Just a thoroughly enjoyable viewing experience. The vibe, the duration, the pacing, the actual product on screen have just been sublime. Keep up the great work! Looking forward to your next post when you get the time.
@m.bitiousАй бұрын
@@Couponuser16 thanks a lot my friend. That's really kind. It's great to have someone who appreciates my efforts 😊. Nevertheless, it might take another 1-2 weeks because I'm not sure I can finish the current step before my trip. I guess I was pretty optimistic yesterday 😀. But I'm on it, promise! Cheers, my friend
@oplavАй бұрын
I felt great pleasure and happiness in watching this Ottoman publication, which you carefully and traditionally produced, through its production stages. Also, as a Turk, I felt very proud. I am grateful and thank you very much for keeping this tradition alive and giving us the opportunity to follow it step by step. I offer our love and respect from Turkey. The real Ottoman archer.
@oplavАй бұрын
I felt great pleasure and happiness in watching this Ottoman publication, which you carefully and traditionally produced, through its production stages. Also, as a Turk, I felt very proud. I am grateful and thank you very much for keeping this tradition alive and giving us the opportunity to follow it step by step. I offer our love and respect from Turkey. The real Ottoman archer.
@oplavАй бұрын
I felt great pleasure and happiness in watching this Ottoman publication, which you carefully and traditionally produced, through its production stages. Also, as a Turk, I felt very proud. I am grateful and thank you very much for keeping this tradition alive and giving us the opportunity to follow it step by step. I offer our love and respect from Turkey. The real Ottoman archer.
@oplavАй бұрын
I felt great pleasure and happiness in watching this Ottoman publication, which you carefully and traditionally produced, through its production stages. Also, as a Turk, I felt very proud. I am grateful and thank you very much for keeping this tradition alive and giving us the opportunity to follow it step by step. I offer our love and respect from Turkey. The real Ottoman archer.
@m.bitious11 күн бұрын
Thanks a lot, my friend. That's very kind of you 😊
@oplavАй бұрын
I felt great pleasure and happiness in watching this Ottoman publication, which you carefully and traditionally produced, through its production stages. Also, as a Turk, I felt very proud. I am grateful and thank you very much for keeping this tradition alive and giving us the opportunity to follow it step by step. I offer our love and respect from Turkey. The real Ottoman archer.
@oplavАй бұрын
I felt great pleasure and happiness in watching this Ottoman publication, which you carefully and traditionally produced, through its production stages. Also, as a Turk, I felt very proud. I am grateful and thank you very much for keeping this tradition alive and giving us the opportunity to follow it step by step. I offer our love and respect from Turkey. The real Ottoman archer.
@m.bitiousАй бұрын
☺️Thank you, my friend. It's great to hear that from someone who's way closer to that wonderful tradition of bowmaking than I am. It means a lot to me!!!
@oplavАй бұрын
I felt great pleasure and happiness in watching this Ottoman publication, which you carefully and traditionally produced, through its production stages. Also, as a Turk, I felt very proud. I am grateful and thank you very much for keeping this tradition alive and giving us the opportunity to follow it step by step. I offer our love and respect from Turkey. The real Ottoman archer.
@m.bitiousАй бұрын
☺️Thanks a lot, my friend. I really appreciate it. Cheers
@oplavАй бұрын
I felt great pleasure and happiness in watching this Ottoman publication, which you carefully and traditionally produced, through its production stages. Also, as a Turk, I felt very proud. I am grateful and thank you very much for keeping this tradition alive and giving us the opportunity to follow it step by step. I offer our love and respect from Turkey. The real Ottoman archer.
@m.bitiousАй бұрын
Thank you so much, my friend. That means a lot to me! It's a wonderful tradition and in my opinion the most effective and beautiful way of bowmaking. I'm glad I discovered it as a hobby/passion - and I'm happy to share all my knowledge, experience, success and failiure. If you ever have any questions justiert ask and I try to answer it. All the best, my friend
@hydroflowproАй бұрын
Where do you buy the wood
@m.bitiousАй бұрын
Hey, I just ordered it at an online wood Shop ( designholz.com/ ) that not only offers lots of different wood types but also offers different qualities. You should go for the best quality (=almost no knots and holes) for maximum stability & even bending of the limbs (knots are way harder but also way more brittle - both is not wanted). In the end you can use fresh wood as well - but then it has to dry for 3 month instead of three weeks. Hope that helps. Cheers
@Couponuser16Ай бұрын
Lol you're becoming very good at this. So casually increasing the difficulty of this bow build by making it a 5 parter (handle + 2 bending limbs + 2 non-bending recurved tips) all connected with v joints like it is no big deal. The entire point of those protruding "V"s out of the handle and the tips to connect it to the bending limb is to act as wedges which makes the bending portion of the bending limb even shorter without lessening the draw length, therefore making the bow "faster" at snapping back to shape and accelerating an arrow forward compared to a longer bending limb with everything else the same. This is the type of stuff Sultans spent fortunes funding scholars & engineers to figure out and here you are putting it to practice centuries later. Exceptional job, yet again. Not surprising at all, but still great job. I hope if you are interested in selling these you look up the going rate for well-made hornbows. They can fetch a pretty penny.
@m.bitiousАй бұрын
Thank you so much. Yes you are totally right. I try to do it a little different this time. I want to keep it challenging for me and entertaining for you. I'm thinking about a birch bark cover in the end for example. But I need to find a cut down birch first and that within spring 😀. Unfortunately I'm not selling these. I'm afraid I'd lose interest as soon as it turns from passion to profession. I'm just doing it out of curiousity, fun and to learn something new 😉. But I can see in your writing that we share the same passion and thats absolutely amazing. Thanks a lot for your kind words I'm looking forward to write to you in the future. Cheers my friend 🙃
@Couponuser16Ай бұрын
@@m.bitious Mission accomplished if that is your goal, I have been very entertained by these series. And I do very much respect that outlook, it's very cool to commit to something for such a long duration for your own betterment rather than for money. I truly am blown away at how much attention to detail you are putting into these, and also documenting it with instructions as you go. You are certainly right you and I share this passion. I think it is very cool that your previous bow had more of the "boat" shape that Adam K mentions warbows having while this is clearly going for the more reflexed "Crescent" that indicates a flight bow. What is also pretty cool that this technique of 5 part construction is very similar to the Mughal Crab Bow and also the "Tsagaad Khad" bow found by archeologists in Mongolia dating to the time of Genghis Khan. I think the primary difference between that design and this one is that one was the Mongolian one was about 141cm along the belly rather than the ~120cm of Ottoman designs. Very similar to the "Crimean Tatar" design, quite frankly. Looking forward to the next video!
@m.bitiousАй бұрын
@@Couponuser16 thanks a lot again 😊. That's funny, the shape of crab bows actually influenced me regarding the second bow. I'll definetly try to close it way more when applying the sinew. In my mind the tips will almost touch, but I'm not sure if I will achieve that. We'll see 😉. Cheers my friend
@Couponuser16Ай бұрын
@@m.bitious I love that shape too. I think Korean Hornbows or "Guk-gung" were specifically manufactured in a way where their unstrung shape is a complete circle. I've also seen videos of people trying to open them up for stringing and they need a vice to get it started haha! Very much looking forward to see how this turns out. Also very interested to see how the preshapped horn impacts the construction / performance if at all! And birch bark is a personal favorite aesthetic of mine, I'd love to see it. I especially love the Tiger Stripe painted birch bark of the Manchu/Qing bows. I think the design is called Hua hua pi (畫樺皮).
@m.bitiousАй бұрын
@@Couponuser16 I will definetly look that design up. Thanks a lot for that tip. Haha, yes, there's this asian youtuber zwe who opened up such a bow and if I remember correctly he needed the help of a friend. I guess it will be pretty challenging and a crutial moment with lots of potential for failure, because if you are to impatient it will snap on you. We'll see 😀 - I'll share my experience in success as well as in failure. Cheers
@Couponuser16Ай бұрын
What a series! Beautiful, beautiful bow. It's been very enjoyable watching each video. Thank you again for typing up all of the captions as well! There aren't very many hornbow building videos from step 1 to completion out there, and even fewer at a legitimate "warbow" weight so this was an awesomely unique series. Interestingly enough, Adam Karpowicz (who's book I'm guessing you referenced on this build) did some performance testing of Ottoman hornbows and one of them was 75.5lbs at 28" - similar to your build right here. It was able to propel a 34g (522 grain) arrow 209fps and a 48g (739 grain) arrow 184fps. I'd be very interested to see how your bow compares. The full article on bow performance by design can be found if you search "Performance of Turkish Bows by Adam Karpowicz" published on ATARN if you are interested.
@m.bitiousАй бұрын
Wow, thank you so much! That's very kind and means a lot to me! And you are totally right. Adam K is absolutely amazing. His passion for hornbows is unrivaled. I use his book as a main source. As well as the traditional bowyers bible (the second one is not about compound bows but has great articles about sinew backing and wood types). I'm looking forward to test my warbow too - but it's somehow strange with me. I thought for a second that it would be pretty sad to test it with (cheap) bought arrows - now I want to (need to?) build some by myself for testing 😀. All the best, my friend. And thanks again for your kind words and the shared passion for bows 😊. Cheers my friend
@Couponuser16Ай бұрын
@@m.bitious I will need to pick up the traditional bowyers bible, I haven't read that. Thank you for the recommendation. I don't think it would be a disappointment with any arrows, but there is a very good video by a gentleman named Stiliyan Stefanov who makes Ottoman arrows with super traditional equipment and they turn out looking like art pieces. Even if you don't end up making them, I recommend giving that a look. Cheers!
@m.bitiousАй бұрын
@@Couponuser16 it is a collection of articles regarding different topics of archery and bow building. Every article is written by a different specialist. Most of them are really great. But compared to Adam k its a little bit more "dry" to read, if you now what I mean. Focus mainly on facts and a little less entertaining. And its all about selfbows. But has useful parts about glue, sinew, wood and more. I really like it. Cheers my friend.
@m.bitiousАй бұрын
@@Couponuser16 yes I bookmarked him long ago. Great videos of ottomans. You always have the feeling he's building them within one hour 😀
@Couponuser16Ай бұрын
@@m.bitious Gonna be picking up a copy for myself here soon, and I'm a pretty big fan of sinew backed short self bows. I personally live pretty close to a major American Indian reservation and have a couple buddies apart of the tribe (Arapaho) that still do trad bow hunting. And we're talking Natives from the Great Plains, so ancestral Bison hunters who still take down big game. Those bows are some of the most fun to shoot as well. There's a pretty cool smaller channel VFC Archery who focuses more on these types of bows and man they are fun to watch. Honestly, if you combined all of your videos in this series into one video it would be ~80min long. Really not very dissimilar from his videos. If you are up for a serious challenge after your flight bow, he made an asymmetrical hornbow (Bulgarian) losely based on the Qum Darya "Niya" bow with a larger upper limb than lower limb. Thing is funky looking but also pretty cool lol.
@draven38382 ай бұрын
I use elk and buffalo tendons alot in my native American arts
@m.bitiousАй бұрын
Hey, I read about elk tendons too. They seem to be absolutely great for bow making. Unfortunately I didn't find any online. Where do you get yours? All the best
@draven3838Ай бұрын
I get most of my tendons from hunters that I know and I hunt as well .a lot of the tendons I get come out of Montana, Wyoming, Utah, and Colorado from the processing lockers .and some off of Ebay, along with horns and antlers.
@m.bitiousАй бұрын
@@draven3838 wow, that's great - that's definetly the most sustainable way. Unfortunately the only hunter I know only hunts boar. But eBay might be a good idea. Thanks a lot, my friend
@draven38382 ай бұрын
So I've ben following your videos and I chose hickory for my wood core ,I am waiting on my Buffalo horns to arrive, I'm using fish blader glue I hope it works ,I have hide glue made from American bison hide and hooves too .which wood you use??
@m.bitiousАй бұрын
Hey my friend, I would use the hide glue for the wooden core and for applying the horn, because it has a high durability. For the tendons I would use a mixture of fish bladder and hide, because you need to add flexibility to the glue and the fish bladder glue doesn't gelify as fast as the hide glue wich makes applying the tendon layers way more easy. I wish you a lot of fun with your project. Please keep me posted how your bow turns out. All the best, my friend
@lehelszoverfi57872 ай бұрын
Good Job ! I want to ask where did you get the glue ?
@m.bitious2 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot, my friend. I ordered it online. You have to search for it in online carpenter shops or antique restoring shops. If I recall correctly I ordered mine at: www.antikebeschlaege.eu (I'm not sure if that helps, because its a shop only in german language). Important is that you are looking for hide glue, NOT bone glue (because that gets brittle after drying). The fishglue I use in the later parts I ordered here: bogenbautradition.de - again unfortunately only in german language. I'm sorry I cannot help you better. Best way is to look it up at an online shop for antiques restauration supplies, I guess. I hope you find some! All the best, my friend
@lehelszoverfi5787Ай бұрын
@@m.bitious thank you so much my friend !
@alexdmitrov33872 ай бұрын
Good afternoon! I was interested in the process of pasting horn plates, why do I need such a long drying in 1 month? What is the reason for this?
@m.bitious2 ай бұрын
Hey my friend, I got this time span out of Karpowicz book about Ottoman bows. I guess that's the time needed for All the fluids from the glue to leave the wood. Maybe 2 weeks are enough - but due to the effort that goes into these types of bows I think its better to be safe than sorry 😉. Hope that helps, my friend
@ottobigu6782 ай бұрын
Welcome back, I'm curious how strong this bow will be, good luck dear friend
@m.bitious2 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot, my friend. Nice to have you back 😊. According to literature it will have 40 lbs. I try to keep it as close as possible to that prediction 😀. Cheers, my friend
@bryand14702 ай бұрын
🤘 Promo SM
@user-vm5ol7zn1c2 ай бұрын
سلام خسته نباشی چه چوبی برای کمان مناسبه باید چقدر باشه چوبا چه چسبی استفاده میشه
@user-vm5ol7zn1c2 ай бұрын
سلام خسته نباشید اندازه چوباش چقدره کمان
@m.bitious2 ай бұрын
You're absolutely welcome, my friend. The second part will follow soon 🙂. May the peace be upon you, too.
@user-vm5ol7zn1cАй бұрын
Hello, can you tell me the size of the sticks?
@m.bitiousАй бұрын
@@user-vm5ol7zn1c hey my friend, the handle-piece is 24cm (10cm handle + 2 x 7cm for the V-notch-tips), the limbs (sal + kasan) are at least 41cm ... better cut it 46cm and remove whats to much ... the 41cm divide in 7cm v-notch handle + 15cm sal + 12cm kasan + 7cm v-notch towards the handle at least 15,5cm (7cm v-notch-tip + 5,5cm until the string-groove + 3cm beyond) but here as well: give it some extra cm, because take away is much easier then being to short. In total everything should add up to 103cm from string-notch to string-notch - and 109cm in total (that leaves every limb from the exact middle with 51,5cm to the string-notch and 54,5cm to the very end). But I cannot stress it enough: make every piece a little longer (you lose length when bending) and cut it to exact dimension after steam-bending. Hope that helps, my friend. Cheers
@ottobigu6783 ай бұрын
It's a problem with the algorithm used by KZread, too few likes compared to other videos of the same genre where there are no data regarding sizes. But we your fans are following you with greatness
@m.bitious3 ай бұрын
Yeah, and besides that bow making is a very special hobby. And we are the chosen few 😀 - and I'm thankful for every single likeminded follower like you. As I write in every video: it is mates like you that keep me going! Thanks a lot for that, Otto ❤️ 😊
@Sam_Bushman3 ай бұрын
Nice work 😊Waiting for part #2
@m.bitious3 ай бұрын
Thanks, mate! That's very kind ☺
@royalblue32143 ай бұрын
Is this is a manchu bow?
@m.bitious3 ай бұрын
Its a light (40 lbs) Ottoman, designed for practice and hunting. I will close it even more in the process to get this horseshoe shape. Cheers, my friend
@royalblue32143 ай бұрын
@@m.bitious waiting for next parts
@m.bitious3 ай бұрын
@@royalblue3214 great to have you on board, my friend 😊
@ottobigu6783 ай бұрын
I'm glad you're back with a new project, will you be using horn ?
@m.bitious3 ай бұрын
@@ottobigu678 hey, yes I will - but I'll try a different technique this time. Don't want to spoil to much - next part we'll see if it worked out 😀
@17yearoldwarbowarcher3 ай бұрын
grampus wampus
@brianfernandez48373 ай бұрын
What are those pallets that you use for glue?
@m.bitious3 ай бұрын
Hey mate, this is waterbuffalo hide glue, you can find it easily online. It is basically animal hide simmered for days, filtered, dried and broken into pieces. If you switch on the subtitle you will find lots of instructions. I hope that helps. All the best
Thanks a lot, my friend! I think I'm struggeling a little with the translation of your question. Did you really ask me to teach you how to draw? Because if so, I may have some tips for you. Ottoman patterns are very geometrical. There's a variety of shapes that are used repeatedly. Such as stars, circles, half circles, hexagons, octagons, etc. - for the pattern I came up with I mainly hat to inspiration sources. First the book about ottoman archery by Adam Karpowicz, and then google (yes, I actually googled "ottoman pattern"). from these two sources I derived my own very simple pattern. first I drew it on paper. I came up with about six or seven different patterns before I was happy. then I made tiny dots in the middle of the bow every 5 cm (that was my only reference to make sure I stayed geomitrically correct). if you try it that way you will come up with your own pattern that fits your expectations and you will paint it beautifully on your bow. I'm absolutely sure! And if google did a wrong translation of your question and I just answered something you never wanted to know - please try to verbalize your question differently to force google into a different translation. I hope I could help you. And if not, please write me any time - I'm always happy to help. All the best, my friend 🙃
@royalblue32144 ай бұрын
@@m.bitious thanks a lot my dear friend
@royalblue32143 ай бұрын
Can you send send me book pdf?
@m.bitious3 ай бұрын
I'm sorry, I cannot do this - I might get in legal trouble. But there are a lot of second hand versions available online. I hope that helps, my friend 😜 @@royalblue3214
@BOZKIRLI184 ай бұрын
Hello. I watched your Ottoman bow making series from start to finish with interest. You have made an incredible effort and prepared a wonderful content. I am writing to you from Ankara, the capital of Turkey. I found the details I was searching for a long time in your video. If you pin the products you use in the content, technical drawings and measurements, and online shopping links under each video, I will be inspired by you and want to make one too. Thanks for the excellent series.
@m.bitious4 ай бұрын
thanks a lot, my friend, that's really kind! Greetings to Ankara (I hope you have way better weather than I do 😉). That's a very good idea - linking online shops I mean. I will do this in the future. Do you need any more information on the sources I used? Just write it to me and I will send you the links & answer your questions to my bet knowledge. All the best 🙃
@BOZKIRLI184 ай бұрын
Yes, I'm curious about the sources you used.
@m.bitious4 ай бұрын
@@BOZKIRLI18 All right ... you'll need to copy & paste the URLs ... and you have to use google translate because some of the shops don't offer english language as an option ... anyways, I puchased the oistrich sinew here (2 x 5 tendons - you'll need 10 so you have to purchase 2 packs of 5): www.bogensport-bogenbau.at/produkt/dictum-straussensehnen-5-stueck/ - I purchased the waterbuffalo horns here (you'll need two as well - there are different lengths available, just check out the shop and choose your needed length): www.rasur-online.de/artikeldetails-109-1441-wasserbueffelhorn_80_89cm_unpoliert.html - I purchased the fish bladder glue here (you'll need 100g so you have to purchase 2 x 50g or you choose 250g in case you plan on building more bows): bogenbautradition.de/shop/kleber/natuerliche-kleber/1109/stoerblasenleim - the bone plate and the buffalo hide glue I purchased from amazon (the particular offers are not available any more but if you search a little you'll find alternate offers). The wood itself I ordered from designholz.com - I used maple, but there are other hardwood options as well. I read that mulberry works as well. And the leather I purchased here (it has to be 0,5mm or less and ecologically treated): www.lederversand-berlin.de - For the leaf gold I used 100 sheets of 24k gold (3x3cm) from amazon. I hope that helps. All the best, my friend
@oplavАй бұрын
@@m.bitious thanks for the informations....
@m.bitiousАй бұрын
@@oplav you are very welcome. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask! Cheers, my friend
@ekindogan134 ай бұрын
krasse Reise! ich würde gerne dein Lehrling werden!
@m.bitious4 ай бұрын
Hey, nice, ich steh dir immer gerne für Fragen rund ums Bogenbauen zur Verfügung. Was ich lerne, teile ich gerne 🙃. Alles gute, mein Freund
@ottobigu6784 ай бұрын
I watched the first episode in This adventure, I have only words of praise and simply fabulous!
@m.bitious4 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot, mate! That means a lot to me! I will start my next adventure in a few weeks - and I hope to have you on board again! Thanks for your patience! All the best, my friend - and see you soon 😊
@yudidwic5 ай бұрын
where did you buy the ostrich sinew ?
@m.bitious5 ай бұрын
Hey mate, I ordered it online at a shop specialized on bow building. I chose a shop based in Austria due to shorter shipment ways. Depending on where you live there's probably an online shop that ships from closer to your home. Anyways, thats the shop I ordered from ( www.bogensport-bogenbau.at/produkt/dictum-straussensehnen-5-stueck/ ). Hope that helps. Cheers, my friend
@yudidwic5 ай бұрын
thanks for the information@@m.bitious
@birkandemircan78585 ай бұрын
Osmanlı ; tutkal yerine balık damağı kemiği kullanırdı…İşin en büyük sırlarından birisi analık damağıdır…
@m.bitious5 ай бұрын
Yes, my friend, indeed. But I used fish glue only for the parts I wanted to be flexible (mainly for the sinew-layers and the leather cover). For the stiffer parts as the wooden core I went for hide glued, because it absorbes even more stress then fish glue. You will see it in the next parts. Thanks a lot, my friend - and a happy New Year to you
@burakbahadir69635 ай бұрын
very neat work
@m.bitious5 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot, mate. That's very kind. Happy New Year, my friend 🙃
@burakbahadir69635 ай бұрын
thank u too, i hope your channel grows. we'd like to see more work of yours. and absolute hit soundtracks. wish u well @@m.bitious
@m.bitious5 ай бұрын
@@burakbahadir6963 Don't worry, I will continue and you will see more 😊. Next project is already in the planning (it will be a flight bow ... crab bow style). But first I have to finish the Ottoman (unfortunately the paint coat takes forever to dry 😞 so I still need to wait with the artwork). And it's good to know that some appreciate my taste in music 😀. Cheers my friend
@xaliqmirzeli70375 ай бұрын
Halal olsun sənə dosdum.Fərəhləndim.Sənin ən sevdiyin yay hansı variyantdır?😊
@m.bitious5 ай бұрын
Thanks my friend, and may the peace be with you, too. Up until I started with my first Ottoman Bow my favorite type of bow has been a traditional self bow - made from wood with character (meaning lots of knots and twisted structure - as I had it with the black locust stave from my snake skin backed bow) - because in my opinion that captures the beauty of nature the most. But now my favorite type of bow is the Ottoman, because of its complexity, tradition and its many different natural materials (horn, sinew, wood, leather and so on). I think the Ottoman is the perfect combination of tradition and artwork. I absolutely love it and decided, that my next project will be an Ottoman as well, but a lighter flight bow. What's your favorite type of bow? Happy New Year, my friend ☺
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So the way the guy from "meadowlark adventure gear" tiller his bows. He takes only a little off the belly side of the bamboo. But not much because bamboo is more Condense on the shiny rind outside of the bow and thats where the strength lies. But what he does is, he takes off material from the sides of the bow when he is tillering. So the bow becomes thinner innthe limbs from the sides, not from the belly but rather from the sides and he actually got a bamboo bow design to draw to past 29 inches. Pretty awesome. But he got about only about 35 pounds in draw weight with that deaign. But thats still awesome.
Yeah, that was my mistake - I removed to much from the wrong side. Classic impatience problem 🙄
@@m.bitious still a cool design though. Are you going to try and remake it at some point? Would be a cool project to see. I think I would learn a lot from it. However I am in the process of trying it myself
@@musaadfelton3909 hey, for now I'm focussing on the flight bow. After that I wanted to build some ottoman arrows. But we'll see - I still have some bamboo in the basement 😂
@@m.bitious man I'm excited to see your build. 😁💪👍
I really enjoy your videos. I would have loved to see a remake of this bow design. Have you ever tried this design again? Have you seen "Meadowlark Adventure Gear" youtube channel. The guy is brilliant. He designs and makes bamboo back and belly bows with no core. I am in the proces of trying a bow like this. But I am making the backing strip more thinner so that it can be more flexible under tension and i am making the belly strip a bit thicker than the backing strip, to be stronger under compression and I am tempering the belly strip on both the rind side of the bamboo and the inside of the bamboo so that it hardens the bamboo a bit so that its better under compression and so that the bamboo dont take so much set or string follow. One thing I would like to ask you is do you think it can work to make a siyah that will sit on top of the back of this bow design? Like "dave mead longbows" horse bow design, but just adding a belly strip. Instead of laminating it inside of the two pieces. Do you think that the back and belly can be glued together all the way to the end and then a siyah can be glued on top of the bow and then tied down with a wrap to strengthen the joint? Thats one difference in design im going to try. What do you think about that?
I definetly think that could work. If I'm not entirely wrong that's the way korean bows are made. They basically glue two bamboo limbs together (they temper the ends so that you have an even shape), add the handle on top and wrap it with very thin and flexible bamboo stips/ore with rope. Applying the siyah might work the same way, but I'm not sure about that, because there's a lot of bending force at work there. Here's a video that shows this handle process pretty good at arount 8:40 min: kzread.info/dash/bejne/aahhw82Oedetk5s.html 😊. Cheers
@@m.bitious I hear you with regards to the amount of bending force that will come into play. Makes sense. I guess I'm going to have to work around that
@@musaadfelton3909 please keep me posted, it sounds like an exciting project. I hope everything turns out good - fingers are crossed!!! Cheers, my friend
@@m.bitious if it comes out OK. I will message you 😁👍
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@@mehmeterengun368 ☺️
When you going to throw some arrows with this bow? Would love to see.
This bow will last a lifetime. This will be able to be handed down to your kids. These videos must be kept and documented as part of the bow
Woooow 🎉🎉🎉 lets gooooooooo🥳🥳😁😁😁👌👌👌👌
Thanks a lot, my friend 😊😊😊😊😊😊
Wow i cant believe the amount of time and effort and patience goes into these builds. I knew it takes a long time but this gave a full view of the process. Amazing
Yeah, that's true! When I started this project I estimated roughly 5 month ... in the end it was almost a whole year. It's a waiting game sometimes ... especially the 3 month+ of drying the sinew layers. But it's worth every second. And hey, there's absolutely no hectic involved. That makes it a very chill project 😊
@@m.bitious I got so excited watching this build. Im actually also about to start a bow build. I'm using bamboo as a core. My bamboo was drying for a couple of months. So I'm still deciding what materials to use. I won't be able to get horn so I guess I'm going to have to use modern material like either carbon fibre or fibreglass. I will make the fibreglass strips from scratch too. But one day I would really like to make a traditional bow made with traditional materials. But amazing work bro and this is really amazing craftsmanship. Thanks for sharing your project with us. I got excited watching it
@@musaadfelton3909 hey my friend, there's plenty of not very expensive options ... this guy will give you some ideas: kzread.info/dash/bejne/l4d_2c-blLfal7w.html I always wantet to try hide from dog chewing knots 😊 ... for me glassfiber worked good (see my video with the snakeskin backing) but it's a mess to work with (an very itchy). Oh, regarding the horn - it doesn't have to be waterbuffalo ... antelope, goat or springbok might work as well. maybe there is an affordable horn option you didn't think of yet? all the best, my friend and have lots of fun crafting bows! 😊
@@m.bitious thank you for sharing this info. I actually asked around at a 1 or 2 farms if they have Goat horns if they can keep for me. But I'm waiting. Sorry that I commented on every video lol. I was watching all of it then I commented as I was watching.
@@musaadfelton3909 🤣 no problem at all. If you have more questions just ask. I try to answer as quickly as possible. For the flightbow I'm working on right now I ordered already cut horn strips from an online barber shop (they use it for razor handles) ... it wasn't too expensive, maybe the ship to south africa. Just in case, here is the link: drdittmar.com/products/buffelhorn-streifen-53-56-cm-lange-5-mm-starke
This is amazing precision work. Wow. 👌 may i ask. Will wood glue be as the hide glue? Or maybe even epoxy resin? Could a person replace the hide glue with either wood glue or epoxy resin?
To be honest, I would not recommend it because wood glue and epoxy tend to harden until they get brittle. that makes it a less ideal option for attaching the horn and as well for the sinew layers. Because the will bend, stretch and compress a lot - the glue should be flexibel as well. Nevertheless, I guess epoxy would work for the wooden core (the joints between handle and limbs) - but there's hundreds of years of try and error within this process - I would really recommend to stick with the hide and fishbladder glue. If you try your luck with epoxy, please let mi know how it turned out. All the best
@@m.bitious thank you for your priceless feedback and response. I appreciate it. I understand completely. 👍 I'm in South Africa and it's very difficult to get these materials because if I buy things like horn kinda locally it's very expensive and if I have to ship any product from over sea then Shipping costs are very expensive. So I was looking for alternatives wih the glue. But I will see how things work out. For now I will not be making such a master crafted bow lol😁😂 not yet. For now I'm going to try and make a bow with natural and modern day material combined and see how it turns out.
@@musaadfelton3909 hey, that sounds great. no matter the materials. crafting bows is an absolute beautiful hobby. I understand the problem with the shipping costs. I guess it doesn't have to be water buffalo. horn from a goat, a sprinbok or an antilope might work as well. maybe there's a less costly option for you. and you can make hideglue by yourself. I guess it's kind of a messy process but it's an option if you don't have a purchase option. this guy does it, for example: kzread.info/dash/bejne/oI2tl9aGf9OuerA.html ... or this guy: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y6mXz9aHn67Jl8o.html cheers, my friend
@@m.bitious Thanks for sharing these video links. Appreciate it. Man I just think that there is a different experience to archery when you craft your own equipment. You really become one with your bow. You respect it more. You are able to feel through your own limbs the strengths and weaknesses in the bow limbs. It's just amazing. It makes you a better archer because it makes you whole, understanding every process of making the bow and then transferring that into using the bow.
@@musaadfelton3909 couldn't have said it better, you are perfectly right. and it teaches you patience because one false cut, scrape or draw and weeks of hard work are just destroyed 🤣... I had to learn that the hard way. Cheers
Wooow😁😁😁😁😁😁 got goosebumps
Thanks a lot, my friend, that's very kind 😊. Cheers
Where did you get the ostrich sinew ? Let me know if you have time thanks for sharing
Hey mate, I ordered it online (I'm not sure if there's an english Version of this site): www.dictum.com/de/knochen-zaehne-sehnen-cfc/straussensehnen-5-stueck-831247 I hope that helps. Cheers
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See you soon❎️ See you in next life✅️
Aye, aye, captain 😉
awesome job, I recently finished my first turkish flight composite bow
Thanks a lot, that's very kind 🙂 What's the draw weight of your flight bow? Cheers, my friend
@@m.bitious about 45 pounds by 28 inches, but I didn't measure. 108cm ntn. I have a Facebook page where I post posts with bows, I can't post a link, YT doesn't allow it, but it's called "Traditional bows kuba mazurkiewicz-traditional handmade bows"
@@jackobmazurkewicz thanks a lot, I will check it out
@@jackobmazurkewicz oh wow, I see you're totally into ottoman bows. That looks great. Maybe I should work on more than one at the same time, too 😀. How do you plan on coating the sinew? Cheers, my friend
@@m.bitious for now, I will do one at a time, i.e. I will glue the horn and place the tendons one at a time. When I gain experience, I will glue 3 at a time, this Turkish horn bow of mine is made of muflon horn bamboo and deer sinew with hide glue. the core is made of bamboo, mulberry and acacia
Great Job! .My question is what are the last angels of bow?? and what are the angels of the bendding jig?? Thank you .
Hey, so far the angle at the handle is 15°, at the kasan eye 35° and between kasan and tip it is 45° - so over all slightly more than 90° - but I will increase the angles when applying the sinew. The bedding jig itself has two angles. The first one is around 40° (but a little bit more rounded), the second one is roughly 50°. I hope that helps. Cheers
How does it feel in your hands? Because wow, that has a pretty shape already. Great work, glad to see you were able to get this posted!
Hey mate, it feels surprisingly light so far. But it's it has a good balance. But compared to my first ottoman it feels really elegant (don't wanna say tiny 😀). Cheers
@@m.bitious I believe it! When you were scraping at 7:35 I couldn't help but think how comfortable that handle looks. And you are right, "elegant" is the right word. The lines you have on this bow where the horn + wood meet as well as the v-joint handle you showed at the very end look incredible. Just excellent & elegant work yet again! Hope your business trip went well!
@@Couponuser16 thanks a lot, my friend. And it really vibrates great. If you hold the grip and knock on a limb it vibrates just perfect. Feels like beeing pretty close to final dimensions. Even without sinew. Yeah my trip was all right. In the end we had to fly because all trains were grounded due to heavy rainfall. That sucked a bit from an ecological perspective. But anyways, I'm happy to be back home again 😊. Cheers, my friend
@@m.bitious I hear you about the frustrations, but I am glad to hear you are back home and comfortable. Hope you are having an otherwise pleasant Spring and that your Summer is sunny!
@@Couponuser16 you're totally right. Who needs good weather 😉 - family and health are way more important. Nevertheless I whish you plenty of sun and blue skies, too 🙃
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Thanks a lot, my friend
where did you find the drawings? can you share the documents?
Hey my friend, you mean the handwritten measurements? I wrote them down in the video description. I used Adam Karpowicz book about ottoman composite as a source. I hope that answers you question. If not please give me the video timecode of the drawing you referring to. Cheers, my friend 🙂
I still can't get over how casually you went to a 5-part construction on this bow. A 1 part self bow is its own artform, and a 3 part is just so much more complex. But a 5 part? Handle + Limbs + Tips on both sides with V joints? Sheesh. You're gonna end up making a 7 part Manchu bow with handle, arms, brains, and tips at some point and act like it is no big deal, aren't you? Also some advice if this gets to decoration, I recommend writing this in arabic: "وَمَا رَمَيْتَ إِذْ رَمَيْتَ وَلَٰكِنَّ اللَّهَ رَمَىٰ" which translated to "It is not you who threw [the arrow] when you shot, but God who threw [the arrow]". It is what historians think the Ottoman "Archer's Secret" was which was the final piece of training an archer received in Ottoman tradition, and it was a portion of the Quranic Verse 8:17 ( 17th verse of 'Al-Anfal') Really excited to see how this turns out. If this one works out as well as your other Ottoman bow, you might need to start planning a trip along the Danube to Istanbul. They have an awesome archery complex and I could almost guarantee you'd run into legit, museum associated, experts on those exact bow designs. I can't stress enough how cool it is that you are doing this.
Wow, that is really nice of you. Thank you so much! I want to spoil anything - but so far it really looks good. The horn and wood really connected (almost) perfectly. And the V joints look pretty solid. I'm almost done shaping the core, but I have to make a business trip that will last a whole week. So I try to finish shaping this weekend because cutting and uploading would be possible while travelling. But I can't make any promises. If I come to Istanbul I will definetly follow your recommendation 😊 . Regarding the writing - I'm not sure how to name this bow yet, but it will definetly have to do something with the building process 😉. But nevertheless, thanks for the insight on that. I wish you all the best, my friend. Until next time 🙃
@@m.bitious I'm really excited for when the next video drops. I've been going back and watching old videos on your channel, you are quite the impressive craftsman. Just a thoroughly enjoyable viewing experience. The vibe, the duration, the pacing, the actual product on screen have just been sublime. Keep up the great work! Looking forward to your next post when you get the time.
@@Couponuser16 thanks a lot my friend. That's really kind. It's great to have someone who appreciates my efforts 😊. Nevertheless, it might take another 1-2 weeks because I'm not sure I can finish the current step before my trip. I guess I was pretty optimistic yesterday 😀. But I'm on it, promise! Cheers, my friend
I felt great pleasure and happiness in watching this Ottoman publication, which you carefully and traditionally produced, through its production stages. Also, as a Turk, I felt very proud. I am grateful and thank you very much for keeping this tradition alive and giving us the opportunity to follow it step by step. I offer our love and respect from Turkey. The real Ottoman archer.
I felt great pleasure and happiness in watching this Ottoman publication, which you carefully and traditionally produced, through its production stages. Also, as a Turk, I felt very proud. I am grateful and thank you very much for keeping this tradition alive and giving us the opportunity to follow it step by step. I offer our love and respect from Turkey. The real Ottoman archer.
I felt great pleasure and happiness in watching this Ottoman publication, which you carefully and traditionally produced, through its production stages. Also, as a Turk, I felt very proud. I am grateful and thank you very much for keeping this tradition alive and giving us the opportunity to follow it step by step. I offer our love and respect from Turkey. The real Ottoman archer.
I felt great pleasure and happiness in watching this Ottoman publication, which you carefully and traditionally produced, through its production stages. Also, as a Turk, I felt very proud. I am grateful and thank you very much for keeping this tradition alive and giving us the opportunity to follow it step by step. I offer our love and respect from Turkey. The real Ottoman archer.
Thanks a lot, my friend. That's very kind of you 😊
I felt great pleasure and happiness in watching this Ottoman publication, which you carefully and traditionally produced, through its production stages. Also, as a Turk, I felt very proud. I am grateful and thank you very much for keeping this tradition alive and giving us the opportunity to follow it step by step. I offer our love and respect from Turkey. The real Ottoman archer.
I felt great pleasure and happiness in watching this Ottoman publication, which you carefully and traditionally produced, through its production stages. Also, as a Turk, I felt very proud. I am grateful and thank you very much for keeping this tradition alive and giving us the opportunity to follow it step by step. I offer our love and respect from Turkey. The real Ottoman archer.
☺️Thank you, my friend. It's great to hear that from someone who's way closer to that wonderful tradition of bowmaking than I am. It means a lot to me!!!
I felt great pleasure and happiness in watching this Ottoman publication, which you carefully and traditionally produced, through its production stages. Also, as a Turk, I felt very proud. I am grateful and thank you very much for keeping this tradition alive and giving us the opportunity to follow it step by step. I offer our love and respect from Turkey. The real Ottoman archer.
☺️Thanks a lot, my friend. I really appreciate it. Cheers
I felt great pleasure and happiness in watching this Ottoman publication, which you carefully and traditionally produced, through its production stages. Also, as a Turk, I felt very proud. I am grateful and thank you very much for keeping this tradition alive and giving us the opportunity to follow it step by step. I offer our love and respect from Turkey. The real Ottoman archer.
Thank you so much, my friend. That means a lot to me! It's a wonderful tradition and in my opinion the most effective and beautiful way of bowmaking. I'm glad I discovered it as a hobby/passion - and I'm happy to share all my knowledge, experience, success and failiure. If you ever have any questions justiert ask and I try to answer it. All the best, my friend
Where do you buy the wood
Hey, I just ordered it at an online wood Shop ( designholz.com/ ) that not only offers lots of different wood types but also offers different qualities. You should go for the best quality (=almost no knots and holes) for maximum stability & even bending of the limbs (knots are way harder but also way more brittle - both is not wanted). In the end you can use fresh wood as well - but then it has to dry for 3 month instead of three weeks. Hope that helps. Cheers
Lol you're becoming very good at this. So casually increasing the difficulty of this bow build by making it a 5 parter (handle + 2 bending limbs + 2 non-bending recurved tips) all connected with v joints like it is no big deal. The entire point of those protruding "V"s out of the handle and the tips to connect it to the bending limb is to act as wedges which makes the bending portion of the bending limb even shorter without lessening the draw length, therefore making the bow "faster" at snapping back to shape and accelerating an arrow forward compared to a longer bending limb with everything else the same. This is the type of stuff Sultans spent fortunes funding scholars & engineers to figure out and here you are putting it to practice centuries later. Exceptional job, yet again. Not surprising at all, but still great job. I hope if you are interested in selling these you look up the going rate for well-made hornbows. They can fetch a pretty penny.
Thank you so much. Yes you are totally right. I try to do it a little different this time. I want to keep it challenging for me and entertaining for you. I'm thinking about a birch bark cover in the end for example. But I need to find a cut down birch first and that within spring 😀. Unfortunately I'm not selling these. I'm afraid I'd lose interest as soon as it turns from passion to profession. I'm just doing it out of curiousity, fun and to learn something new 😉. But I can see in your writing that we share the same passion and thats absolutely amazing. Thanks a lot for your kind words I'm looking forward to write to you in the future. Cheers my friend 🙃
@@m.bitious Mission accomplished if that is your goal, I have been very entertained by these series. And I do very much respect that outlook, it's very cool to commit to something for such a long duration for your own betterment rather than for money. I truly am blown away at how much attention to detail you are putting into these, and also documenting it with instructions as you go. You are certainly right you and I share this passion. I think it is very cool that your previous bow had more of the "boat" shape that Adam K mentions warbows having while this is clearly going for the more reflexed "Crescent" that indicates a flight bow. What is also pretty cool that this technique of 5 part construction is very similar to the Mughal Crab Bow and also the "Tsagaad Khad" bow found by archeologists in Mongolia dating to the time of Genghis Khan. I think the primary difference between that design and this one is that one was the Mongolian one was about 141cm along the belly rather than the ~120cm of Ottoman designs. Very similar to the "Crimean Tatar" design, quite frankly. Looking forward to the next video!
@@Couponuser16 thanks a lot again 😊. That's funny, the shape of crab bows actually influenced me regarding the second bow. I'll definetly try to close it way more when applying the sinew. In my mind the tips will almost touch, but I'm not sure if I will achieve that. We'll see 😉. Cheers my friend
@@m.bitious I love that shape too. I think Korean Hornbows or "Guk-gung" were specifically manufactured in a way where their unstrung shape is a complete circle. I've also seen videos of people trying to open them up for stringing and they need a vice to get it started haha! Very much looking forward to see how this turns out. Also very interested to see how the preshapped horn impacts the construction / performance if at all! And birch bark is a personal favorite aesthetic of mine, I'd love to see it. I especially love the Tiger Stripe painted birch bark of the Manchu/Qing bows. I think the design is called Hua hua pi (畫樺皮).
@@Couponuser16 I will definetly look that design up. Thanks a lot for that tip. Haha, yes, there's this asian youtuber zwe who opened up such a bow and if I remember correctly he needed the help of a friend. I guess it will be pretty challenging and a crutial moment with lots of potential for failure, because if you are to impatient it will snap on you. We'll see 😀 - I'll share my experience in success as well as in failure. Cheers
What a series! Beautiful, beautiful bow. It's been very enjoyable watching each video. Thank you again for typing up all of the captions as well! There aren't very many hornbow building videos from step 1 to completion out there, and even fewer at a legitimate "warbow" weight so this was an awesomely unique series. Interestingly enough, Adam Karpowicz (who's book I'm guessing you referenced on this build) did some performance testing of Ottoman hornbows and one of them was 75.5lbs at 28" - similar to your build right here. It was able to propel a 34g (522 grain) arrow 209fps and a 48g (739 grain) arrow 184fps. I'd be very interested to see how your bow compares. The full article on bow performance by design can be found if you search "Performance of Turkish Bows by Adam Karpowicz" published on ATARN if you are interested.
Wow, thank you so much! That's very kind and means a lot to me! And you are totally right. Adam K is absolutely amazing. His passion for hornbows is unrivaled. I use his book as a main source. As well as the traditional bowyers bible (the second one is not about compound bows but has great articles about sinew backing and wood types). I'm looking forward to test my warbow too - but it's somehow strange with me. I thought for a second that it would be pretty sad to test it with (cheap) bought arrows - now I want to (need to?) build some by myself for testing 😀. All the best, my friend. And thanks again for your kind words and the shared passion for bows 😊. Cheers my friend
@@m.bitious I will need to pick up the traditional bowyers bible, I haven't read that. Thank you for the recommendation. I don't think it would be a disappointment with any arrows, but there is a very good video by a gentleman named Stiliyan Stefanov who makes Ottoman arrows with super traditional equipment and they turn out looking like art pieces. Even if you don't end up making them, I recommend giving that a look. Cheers!
@@Couponuser16 it is a collection of articles regarding different topics of archery and bow building. Every article is written by a different specialist. Most of them are really great. But compared to Adam k its a little bit more "dry" to read, if you now what I mean. Focus mainly on facts and a little less entertaining. And its all about selfbows. But has useful parts about glue, sinew, wood and more. I really like it. Cheers my friend.
@@Couponuser16 yes I bookmarked him long ago. Great videos of ottomans. You always have the feeling he's building them within one hour 😀
@@m.bitious Gonna be picking up a copy for myself here soon, and I'm a pretty big fan of sinew backed short self bows. I personally live pretty close to a major American Indian reservation and have a couple buddies apart of the tribe (Arapaho) that still do trad bow hunting. And we're talking Natives from the Great Plains, so ancestral Bison hunters who still take down big game. Those bows are some of the most fun to shoot as well. There's a pretty cool smaller channel VFC Archery who focuses more on these types of bows and man they are fun to watch. Honestly, if you combined all of your videos in this series into one video it would be ~80min long. Really not very dissimilar from his videos. If you are up for a serious challenge after your flight bow, he made an asymmetrical hornbow (Bulgarian) losely based on the Qum Darya "Niya" bow with a larger upper limb than lower limb. Thing is funky looking but also pretty cool lol.
I use elk and buffalo tendons alot in my native American arts
Hey, I read about elk tendons too. They seem to be absolutely great for bow making. Unfortunately I didn't find any online. Where do you get yours? All the best
I get most of my tendons from hunters that I know and I hunt as well .a lot of the tendons I get come out of Montana, Wyoming, Utah, and Colorado from the processing lockers .and some off of Ebay, along with horns and antlers.
@@draven3838 wow, that's great - that's definetly the most sustainable way. Unfortunately the only hunter I know only hunts boar. But eBay might be a good idea. Thanks a lot, my friend
So I've ben following your videos and I chose hickory for my wood core ,I am waiting on my Buffalo horns to arrive, I'm using fish blader glue I hope it works ,I have hide glue made from American bison hide and hooves too .which wood you use??
Hey my friend, I would use the hide glue for the wooden core and for applying the horn, because it has a high durability. For the tendons I would use a mixture of fish bladder and hide, because you need to add flexibility to the glue and the fish bladder glue doesn't gelify as fast as the hide glue wich makes applying the tendon layers way more easy. I wish you a lot of fun with your project. Please keep me posted how your bow turns out. All the best, my friend
Good Job ! I want to ask where did you get the glue ?
Thanks a lot, my friend. I ordered it online. You have to search for it in online carpenter shops or antique restoring shops. If I recall correctly I ordered mine at: www.antikebeschlaege.eu (I'm not sure if that helps, because its a shop only in german language). Important is that you are looking for hide glue, NOT bone glue (because that gets brittle after drying). The fishglue I use in the later parts I ordered here: bogenbautradition.de - again unfortunately only in german language. I'm sorry I cannot help you better. Best way is to look it up at an online shop for antiques restauration supplies, I guess. I hope you find some! All the best, my friend
@@m.bitious thank you so much my friend !
Good afternoon! I was interested in the process of pasting horn plates, why do I need such a long drying in 1 month? What is the reason for this?
Hey my friend, I got this time span out of Karpowicz book about Ottoman bows. I guess that's the time needed for All the fluids from the glue to leave the wood. Maybe 2 weeks are enough - but due to the effort that goes into these types of bows I think its better to be safe than sorry 😉. Hope that helps, my friend
Welcome back, I'm curious how strong this bow will be, good luck dear friend
Thanks a lot, my friend. Nice to have you back 😊. According to literature it will have 40 lbs. I try to keep it as close as possible to that prediction 😀. Cheers, my friend
🤘 Promo SM
سلام خسته نباشی چه چوبی برای کمان مناسبه باید چقدر باشه چوبا چه چسبی استفاده میشه
سلام خسته نباشید اندازه چوباش چقدره کمان
You're absolutely welcome, my friend. The second part will follow soon 🙂. May the peace be upon you, too.
Hello, can you tell me the size of the sticks?
@@user-vm5ol7zn1c hey my friend, the handle-piece is 24cm (10cm handle + 2 x 7cm for the V-notch-tips), the limbs (sal + kasan) are at least 41cm ... better cut it 46cm and remove whats to much ... the 41cm divide in 7cm v-notch handle + 15cm sal + 12cm kasan + 7cm v-notch towards the handle at least 15,5cm (7cm v-notch-tip + 5,5cm until the string-groove + 3cm beyond) but here as well: give it some extra cm, because take away is much easier then being to short. In total everything should add up to 103cm from string-notch to string-notch - and 109cm in total (that leaves every limb from the exact middle with 51,5cm to the string-notch and 54,5cm to the very end). But I cannot stress it enough: make every piece a little longer (you lose length when bending) and cut it to exact dimension after steam-bending. Hope that helps, my friend. Cheers
It's a problem with the algorithm used by KZread, too few likes compared to other videos of the same genre where there are no data regarding sizes. But we your fans are following you with greatness
Yeah, and besides that bow making is a very special hobby. And we are the chosen few 😀 - and I'm thankful for every single likeminded follower like you. As I write in every video: it is mates like you that keep me going! Thanks a lot for that, Otto ❤️ 😊
Nice work 😊Waiting for part #2
Thanks, mate! That's very kind ☺
Is this is a manchu bow?
Its a light (40 lbs) Ottoman, designed for practice and hunting. I will close it even more in the process to get this horseshoe shape. Cheers, my friend
@@m.bitious waiting for next parts
@@royalblue3214 great to have you on board, my friend 😊
I'm glad you're back with a new project, will you be using horn ?
@@ottobigu678 hey, yes I will - but I'll try a different technique this time. Don't want to spoil to much - next part we'll see if it worked out 😀
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What are those pallets that you use for glue?
Hey mate, this is waterbuffalo hide glue, you can find it easily online. It is basically animal hide simmered for days, filtered, dried and broken into pieces. If you switch on the subtitle you will find lots of instructions. I hope that helps. All the best
ਬਹੁਤ ਵਧੀਆ ਢੰਗ ਨਾਲ ਸਮਝਾਇਆ ਤੁਸੀਂ । ਕੀ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਬਣਾਉਣਾ ਸਿਖਾ ਸਕਦੇ ਹੋ?
Thanks a lot, my friend! I think I'm struggeling a little with the translation of your question. Did you really ask me to teach you how to draw? Because if so, I may have some tips for you. Ottoman patterns are very geometrical. There's a variety of shapes that are used repeatedly. Such as stars, circles, half circles, hexagons, octagons, etc. - for the pattern I came up with I mainly hat to inspiration sources. First the book about ottoman archery by Adam Karpowicz, and then google (yes, I actually googled "ottoman pattern"). from these two sources I derived my own very simple pattern. first I drew it on paper. I came up with about six or seven different patterns before I was happy. then I made tiny dots in the middle of the bow every 5 cm (that was my only reference to make sure I stayed geomitrically correct). if you try it that way you will come up with your own pattern that fits your expectations and you will paint it beautifully on your bow. I'm absolutely sure! And if google did a wrong translation of your question and I just answered something you never wanted to know - please try to verbalize your question differently to force google into a different translation. I hope I could help you. And if not, please write me any time - I'm always happy to help. All the best, my friend 🙃
@@m.bitious thanks a lot my dear friend
Can you send send me book pdf?
I'm sorry, I cannot do this - I might get in legal trouble. But there are a lot of second hand versions available online. I hope that helps, my friend 😜 @@royalblue3214
Hello. I watched your Ottoman bow making series from start to finish with interest. You have made an incredible effort and prepared a wonderful content. I am writing to you from Ankara, the capital of Turkey. I found the details I was searching for a long time in your video. If you pin the products you use in the content, technical drawings and measurements, and online shopping links under each video, I will be inspired by you and want to make one too. Thanks for the excellent series.
thanks a lot, my friend, that's really kind! Greetings to Ankara (I hope you have way better weather than I do 😉). That's a very good idea - linking online shops I mean. I will do this in the future. Do you need any more information on the sources I used? Just write it to me and I will send you the links & answer your questions to my bet knowledge. All the best 🙃
Yes, I'm curious about the sources you used.
@@BOZKIRLI18 All right ... you'll need to copy & paste the URLs ... and you have to use google translate because some of the shops don't offer english language as an option ... anyways, I puchased the oistrich sinew here (2 x 5 tendons - you'll need 10 so you have to purchase 2 packs of 5): www.bogensport-bogenbau.at/produkt/dictum-straussensehnen-5-stueck/ - I purchased the waterbuffalo horns here (you'll need two as well - there are different lengths available, just check out the shop and choose your needed length): www.rasur-online.de/artikeldetails-109-1441-wasserbueffelhorn_80_89cm_unpoliert.html - I purchased the fish bladder glue here (you'll need 100g so you have to purchase 2 x 50g or you choose 250g in case you plan on building more bows): bogenbautradition.de/shop/kleber/natuerliche-kleber/1109/stoerblasenleim - the bone plate and the buffalo hide glue I purchased from amazon (the particular offers are not available any more but if you search a little you'll find alternate offers). The wood itself I ordered from designholz.com - I used maple, but there are other hardwood options as well. I read that mulberry works as well. And the leather I purchased here (it has to be 0,5mm or less and ecologically treated): www.lederversand-berlin.de - For the leaf gold I used 100 sheets of 24k gold (3x3cm) from amazon. I hope that helps. All the best, my friend
@@m.bitious thanks for the informations....
@@oplav you are very welcome. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask! Cheers, my friend
krasse Reise! ich würde gerne dein Lehrling werden!
Hey, nice, ich steh dir immer gerne für Fragen rund ums Bogenbauen zur Verfügung. Was ich lerne, teile ich gerne 🙃. Alles gute, mein Freund
I watched the first episode in This adventure, I have only words of praise and simply fabulous!
Thanks a lot, mate! That means a lot to me! I will start my next adventure in a few weeks - and I hope to have you on board again! Thanks for your patience! All the best, my friend - and see you soon 😊
where did you buy the ostrich sinew ?
Hey mate, I ordered it online at a shop specialized on bow building. I chose a shop based in Austria due to shorter shipment ways. Depending on where you live there's probably an online shop that ships from closer to your home. Anyways, thats the shop I ordered from ( www.bogensport-bogenbau.at/produkt/dictum-straussensehnen-5-stueck/ ). Hope that helps. Cheers, my friend
thanks for the information@@m.bitious
Osmanlı ; tutkal yerine balık damağı kemiği kullanırdı…İşin en büyük sırlarından birisi analık damağıdır…
Yes, my friend, indeed. But I used fish glue only for the parts I wanted to be flexible (mainly for the sinew-layers and the leather cover). For the stiffer parts as the wooden core I went for hide glued, because it absorbes even more stress then fish glue. You will see it in the next parts. Thanks a lot, my friend - and a happy New Year to you
very neat work
Thanks a lot, mate. That's very kind. Happy New Year, my friend 🙃
thank u too, i hope your channel grows. we'd like to see more work of yours. and absolute hit soundtracks. wish u well @@m.bitious
@@burakbahadir6963 Don't worry, I will continue and you will see more 😊. Next project is already in the planning (it will be a flight bow ... crab bow style). But first I have to finish the Ottoman (unfortunately the paint coat takes forever to dry 😞 so I still need to wait with the artwork). And it's good to know that some appreciate my taste in music 😀. Cheers my friend
Halal olsun sənə dosdum.Fərəhləndim.Sənin ən sevdiyin yay hansı variyantdır?😊
Thanks my friend, and may the peace be with you, too. Up until I started with my first Ottoman Bow my favorite type of bow has been a traditional self bow - made from wood with character (meaning lots of knots and twisted structure - as I had it with the black locust stave from my snake skin backed bow) - because in my opinion that captures the beauty of nature the most. But now my favorite type of bow is the Ottoman, because of its complexity, tradition and its many different natural materials (horn, sinew, wood, leather and so on). I think the Ottoman is the perfect combination of tradition and artwork. I absolutely love it and decided, that my next project will be an Ottoman as well, but a lighter flight bow. What's your favorite type of bow? Happy New Year, my friend ☺