Yenna, Redtooth Reagent would do wonders in this list, especially with Gauntlets of Light
@commanderinsightКүн бұрын
yeah i have thought about leaning more into auras because there has been a lot of good support cards for it.
@midnightblue999918 сағат бұрын
@@commanderinsight even without the aura's she can pack a punch, I run a pillow fort list for Sythis myself with her in it and having the potential copy any enchantment is amazing.
@commanderinsight14 сағат бұрын
@@midnightblue9999 yeah for sure I do run Calix Guided by Fate which also can copy and enchantment. he is also an enchantment so you get to draw off him coming out, only 3 mana and can also pump your commander every time another enchantment comes out. The condition to copy is you have to do combat damage with an enchanted creature so maybe that can be a little tougher in certain situations Yenna doesn't seem as good since she 4 mana and not an enchantment herself. Then she costs 2 and tap so you cant do it the turn she comes out typically. Maybe im wrong though and should give it a 2nd look
@ToxicScorp6 күн бұрын
By far the most in depth Atla deck guide out there, thanks so much. Atla is my first deck so the explanations for each and every card are very much appreciated. Would be interested in an update if the deck has changed at all since recording, as I know a lot of useful cards such as Annie Joins Up have been released since.
@commanderinsight6 күн бұрын
@@ToxicScorp thank you much appreciated! That was exactly my thinking is to try and do a more in depth explanation for newer players to the game or just the deck. And yes there’s been updates since this video. I think the moxfield link in the description should be updated. When enough cards change I’ll do another video. Annie joins up was the only card from thunder junction I used. But I added a bunch more draw cards and such.
@ToxicScorp6 күн бұрын
Ah brilliant, I’ll take a look. Outside of Annie Joins up the only recent change for me has been adding Lazotep quarry from MH3 as a nice sac outlet built into a land.
@commanderinsight6 күн бұрын
@@ToxicScorp i actually missed that so thanks for bringing it to my attention. I dont like that it only taps for colorless but it is another one time sac outlet on a land which we only have 1 other (high market). I'll see if i can fit that in. We usually dont get color screwed because of our spread so it may be viable
@commanderinsight6 күн бұрын
@@ToxicScorp If you want to discuss further and ask questions or just have a more in depth conversation about the deck/cards/strategies you can email me at [email protected] like if your wondering why certain cards were added and/or taken out.
@ToxicScorp6 күн бұрын
@@commanderinsight thanks a ton, if I have any questions I’ll be sure to send them your way. Atla is such a fun commander to play with so much potential so I’m having a great time refining and improving my own deck
@user-qr9bu6by4b14 күн бұрын
Any update for modern horizons 3?
@commanderinsight13 күн бұрын
Actually Yes theres a few. I added strength of the harvest as another power pump aura or a land if you need it, I added Pearl-Ear, imperial advisor because it makes our enchantments cheaper and helps us draw more when we cast auras. i also added trickster's elk because its another way to make opponents creatures null or it can be just another enchantment creature.
@MultiverseMemoirsPodcast19 күн бұрын
i dig it!!
@commanderinsight19 күн бұрын
thank you i appreciate that!
@trueagentt19 күн бұрын
Wawawoowee, what a great video. I like.
@commanderinsight19 күн бұрын
@@trueagentt thank you very much!
@LuckyLucifer25Ай бұрын
So you dont run sanctum weaver with gauntlets of light, but you use serras sanctum, thats wild.
@commanderinsightАй бұрын
One of those makes infinite mana and the other just makes a lot of mana and only once per turn. Gauntlets of light is useless unless you have sanctum weaver and since I don’t go for them I don’t see the 2 of them at the same time unless happen to draw them both. It was done on purpose to limit the deck. Your username is much more wild anyways.
@yamirlealjrАй бұрын
I’ve seen mixed opinions on whether harmonic prodigy actually gives you two triggers on the commanders effect.
@commanderinsightАй бұрын
Interesting, What is the case against it? Why wouldn’t it, the wording seems very straight forward
@yamirlealjrАй бұрын
@@commanderinsight I think it’s a misunderstanding between triggered and activated abilities. Some people think you can use harmonic prodigy to create two egg tokens with the commanders effect, which is improper, since creating the eggs is an activated ability. But harmonic prodigy will get you two creatures any time an egg dies, so it works out better in the end.
@commanderinsightАй бұрын
@@yamirlealjr yes I think that is 100% correct. You always make 1 egg and get two creature from that egg dying. Atla only has 1 triggered ability so it’s the only thing that could be effected by harmonic prodigy is the death trigger. There should be no mixed opinions about it because one side is just flat out wrong about it lol. Making the egg is an activated ability 100% and cannot be doubled by prodigy.
@Bondman007VidsАй бұрын
Haha! This is the deck I’ve been searching for! Great insight on each card and great deck list. Needs a bit of upgrading with outlaws set and MH3 coming up, look forward to seeing what u do!
@commanderinsightАй бұрын
Thank you! Atla has been my favorite deck for a bit now so I’m constantly trying to make it more fun and stronger. I have since updated the deck a bit from this video. If I made a video everytime I updated it would be weekly lol. The only card I added in from outlaws was Annie joins up. I also need to look through MH3 and see what could go in there.
@Bondman007VidsАй бұрын
Yep, I am adding Annie instead of the shaman so that my eggs don’t hit it. Also, I’m going to experiment with Lurking Predators and Cream of the Crop combo. Cream also works well with the theme of the deck. I’ll probably remove Eldritch Evolution to test and something else for the cream. I’m eager to see how stacking the deck works. Plus free creatures with lurking could be insane! I can see this deck instantly being one of my favorites. Also, sylvan tutor is probably going in since it’s a worldly tutor clone and is crazy in this deck.
@commanderinsightАй бұрын
@@Bondman007Vids Those are some spicy combos. I've used lurking predators in the very early builds of this deck. I never used cream of the crop in here though. I've used both individually in other decks. Cream of the crop didn't really do what i wanted it to but again i didn't use the 2 together. I'd say by themselves they aren't great stand alone but yes together they can basically keep dropping huge creatures whenever an opponent casts anything. What always happened to me with lurking predators was i would keep whiffing good non-creature cards and scrying them to the bottom in an attempt to dig for a creature, then would draw the big beater creature because my opponents didn't cast anything more just by happenstance. It happened too many times for me to justify the 6 drop enchantment lol. I hope you have better luck with it. If your focus is to try and stack the deck i'd also look into congregation at dawn. Its a wordly tutor for up to 3 creatures. Could be useful with lurking predators. I currently run both annie joins up and harmonic prodigy. My reasoning for not taking out prodigy is because even though its not great to hit when you need a beater to block or attack from an egg, she will allow you to get double the beaters every time thereafter. I dont know the statistical numbers but its more likely she will hit the battlefield over annie joins up. shes cheaper to cast if they end up in your hand and can come out from egg triggers that dig through your deck which really helps the odds of seeing her. also i put maskwood nexus back in the deck (not in video) and that makes everything and egg but also makes everything a shaman/wizard so any time any creature effect triggers it does it twice. this is huge for a lot of effects where annie only lets legendary creatures trigger twice. but both of these work well for Atla either way. Its nice to have both to increase the odds of getting at least one of them out so your eggs double. It can get crazy when you have a token doubler out and a double trigger, you pay 2 mana, make 2 eggs instead of 1 and then get 4 beaters out from it. Last thing, someone else in the comments mentioned using life finds a way. I'm really looking into this again now that we have the ability to make more eggs. This card alone can bring out almost all the creatures in your deck. As long as you can keep an egg token out, you can sac another egg, bring out a beater with power 4+ then populate to make another egg and sac that egg do it again, populate and keep it going. If you wanted to make it a guarantee you an make sure every creature has 4+ power. Let me know how it goes with your brewing and testing!
@Bondman007VidsАй бұрын
Wow. Thats some great insight! Thats why I really like your video. The reasoning with the harmonic prodigy makes perfect sense. The flaw to the lurking predators/cream of the crop is the age old problem with edh, getting 2 cards out at the same time can be almost impossible at times. I think I’ll actually play it the way you currently have it made and then perhaps make tweaks as I go. I really like the thinking behind this deck though! Have you updated Moxfield with your current deck list??
@commanderinsightАй бұрын
@@Bondman007Vids Thanks I appreciate it and im glad you like the build. I havent currently updated the decklist just yet but it will soon. Potentially will make another video (not as long) with the updates. I encourage anyone who wants to make a similar build to watch the full video so when you play you can pilot the deck to an optimal level quicker. Then the fun part comes where you can start to add your own creativity and spicy combos like the lurking predators/cream of the crop strat. Feel free to ask me anything else about the deck build or potential cards/strats. i love talking about it and want to hear others spicy combos.
@TheAlmightyGameGenieАй бұрын
Have you put any thoughts into Life Finds A Way? If you have two or more eggs out with a sac outlet, you can usually put out every single creature in your deck since most/all creatures in your deck will have 4+ power
@commanderinsightАй бұрын
Hey great suggestion. I’ve looked at the card before and contemplated putting it in. I may give it another shot because you’re right if we can trigger AP effect while still having an egg token then we can keep making them. The problem i had was i would always sac the one and only token so I would have nothing to populate. Great suggestion
@TheAlmightyGameGenieАй бұрын
@@commanderinsight Yeah, it does require having two eggs, atleast one being a token, granted we now have the dinosaur that makes 2 eggs plus Mirror Entity, Maskwood Nexus, and other cards that give changeling, plus token doubling creatures. Plus, if you have LFaW in your hand, you could just hold onto the egg til your next turn when you can make another with Atla. Messes with flow of rhythm just a tad but I think it's worth it since it has so many states that result in all your creatures out and about
@commanderinsightАй бұрын
@@TheAlmightyGameGenie I’m going to try it I changed up the deck a little since this video and I think it would work better. I also recently put in ancient gold dragon with the dragon tempest because it can be a 2 card win if you roll high enough. Making even 10 little fairies can all be eggs to sac with maskwood nexus too. The deck really starts to synergize well with the newer cards that released.
@dynogreenАй бұрын
How do you feel about adding Court of Grace to this deck? Would it be any good?
@commanderinsightАй бұрын
Hey, thanks for sharing. My honest opinion is I feel court of grace would be tough to maintain in order to keep getting the angels. Any of the court enchantments have alluring effects if youre the monarch but you need blockers and ways to keep the monarch or get it back. Best case you get 1 angel each turn. Worst case it’s a 1/1. The other 2 angel generators can make multiple during our turn and I think play into the enchantment strategy a bit better. If you’re leaning into the token build and just want as many token effects to make lots of them and go wide then it could be a cool include. I’d also recommend archon of suns grace, divine visitation, ajanis chosen and then the 2 card combo I mention in this video that gives you infinite tokens
@tberni5931Ай бұрын
👍
@johnbryan18622 ай бұрын
Flickering Ward had "This effect doesn't remove Flickering Ward" added. Otherwise, it absolutely would remove it.
@commanderinsight2 ай бұрын
You’re right. The text in the card doesn’t mention it but it’s in the errata on scryfqll which is why I mentioned it. But yes if it didn’t say that then naming white would remove its self too.
@atypicalclubboater35762 ай бұрын
Combine possibility storm with Drannith Magistrate to fully lock your opponents out!
@commanderinsight2 ай бұрын
You’re right that’s such a good combo. I’m not there yet with my playgroup lol. We all have a gentleman’s agreement not to play drannith yet. But as soon as someone breaks that agreement I will definitely put it in
@user-ws2jt2ij4c2 ай бұрын
So can the commander bring a creature back without paying the cost for the creature in the graveyard or what? Im confused with that
@commanderinsight2 ай бұрын
Hey, good question. So with karadors effect you can cast one creature from your graveyard per turn. So any creature in your graveyard can be treated as if it was in your hand. So the bigger your graveyard the more options you have. You can get cheeky with it and use effects that bring back multiple creatures and keep recurring them. If you’re looking for a commander that brings back a creature without paying for it that would be Meren of clan nel toth. She’s golgari black green and a lot of fun too. I also have a deck video for her if you’re interested but it’s a little outdated. Still relevant and good though.
@user-ws2jt2ij4c2 ай бұрын
@@commanderinsight thank you so much for responding i will definitely check that out too thank you
@sciurus95413 ай бұрын
If ever you want to get the engine going faster, you can swap in some low cost Shapeshifters. This way you can play one before Atla comes out and directly sac it for an "egg" trigger once she's out. This also doesn't make it an issue when flipping an egg into a Shapeshifter as you can simply sac it as an "egg" to go get a creature. I had a version of Atla with multiple Shapeshifters and as soon as you get a trigger doubler ([Harmonic Prodigy], [Illusionist's Bracers] or the new insane [Annie Joins Up]) it goes crazy; Sac an egg, flip out a Shapeshifter and a Beater, sac the Shapeshifter and repeat.
@sciurus95413 ай бұрын
I "had" a version of it, dismantled it to make her a lower power deck for my pod.
@commanderinsight3 ай бұрын
Hey nice advice I appreciate the comment. You're right that it could potentially speed up the deck to already have an "egg" out before Atla Palani drops . In the past my experience was they didn't work faster but it might be worth looking into as I' haven't considered it in a while
@sciurus95413 ай бұрын
@@commanderinsight I'd say that [[Irregular Cohort]] is probably the best one as it also creates a shapeshifter token on ETB which means 2 eggs triggers on 1 card or even more with trigger/token doublers. An other suggestion would be [[Aether Flash]] which deals 2 damage to any creature that ETB. Auto sac outlet for your eggs and a defense versus go wide token decks. I don't play with those, but if you do, you could always add the infinite combo with [[Mirror Entity]]
@PapyMagic3 ай бұрын
Great video thanks ! I've built a Ian Malcolm's one since IXALAN with dinos only but I'll shift this a little bit taking some great ideas here!
@commanderinsight3 ай бұрын
Ian Malcom is a great alt art for atla palani i loved the idea when i saw it from Ixilan. If I was running him as the alt art commander i'd definitely run the card "Life finds a way" just to be on theme lol. But it also isn't a bad card for the deck you just have to keep an egg token on the field so you have something to populate each time. Im glad the video helped i appreciate your comment! Just curious, what ideas did you find that your considering using?
@Awstin36teen3 ай бұрын
I've recently been looking into starting magic the gathering and this deck video was extremely helpful explaining how this commander works and the different combinations of cards you can use as well as the different ways to use them. I love a good card game with some strategic gambling to it.
@commanderinsight3 ай бұрын
Hey thanks im glad to hear. My goal was to give more insight on how to pilot the deck not just the list of cards. Although some may want just that i think more players will get more out of some of the tips and tricks then just a list to figure things out. Let me know how it goes if you end up playing her! Good luck!
@PapyMagic3 ай бұрын
Also, there is the new Thunder Junction card that I will add: "Annie joins up" , doubling trigger while being an enchant (better than roaming throne in this deck I suppose...)
@commanderinsight3 ай бұрын
@@PapyMagic yes i think i am 100% adding that. it may even replace harmonic prodigy but im not sure yet
@unkwn2813 ай бұрын
as a new player i just bought a atla deck from a friend as my first one. This video is great just to get understanding how to play the deck eventho my deck obviously dont have all the omega cards u have :D
@commanderinsight3 ай бұрын
Welcome to team eggs! I'm really glad you found the video useful. I had new players to MTG and new players to Atla Palani in mind when i made the video. And don't worry about having the best possible cards in the deck. Im sure i dont even have that. Although some are expensive now, theyve been in my collection so im putting them to good use. For you as a new player, it doesn't really matter what creatures you put in the deck you can really do whatever you want in the Naya colors which is great for variety. Let me know how your deck plays and if you end up using and tips/pointers from the video. I appreciate the comment.
@NF-nn9ij4 ай бұрын
If you’re looking for the hardest hitting, most well put together Atla deck, look no farther. Commander Insight coming back after a small hiatus to bring us yet another high quality deck tech created with passion and endless hours of playtesting. Thanks for the fire deck and keep making more content so we can continue to dominate at the table 😊
@commanderinsight4 ай бұрын
That’s high praise! I appreciate you thank you.
@andrewspears88914 ай бұрын
At 29 min in. Altisar saus it fights 'up to' one creature, so you can choose to fight 0 creatures.
@commanderinsight4 ай бұрын
Yes someone else commented that too. I should edit that out. I can’t believe I’ve been playing that card for so long and never read the “up to” part. It makes the card a lot better too. Thanks for pointing it out
@NartnetOfficial4 ай бұрын
Love the deck. Definitely gonna take some of your ideas for mine. Just want to mention that apex Altisaur fights UP TO one target creature you don’t control. So you don’t have to make it continue fighting. Once I learned that the card became so so so much better and also doesnt cause an infinite loop because you can choose to not target anything.
@commanderinsight4 ай бұрын
OMG you’re right. I can’t believe I never noticed that. I’ve seen and read this card so many times and never thought about the wording. Thanks for pointing it out. I feel dumb lol Just curious, what ideas did you see that intrigued you?
@NartnetOfficial4 ай бұрын
@@commanderinsight greater gargadon is a niche one that I didn’t know existed and am now playtesting. Claws of gix I’m trying out too. As well as summoners egg. I’ve played Atla for about a year now and I love making changes. I think you should see if irregular cohort would work in yours, if you have a repeatable sacrifice outlet it’s a two for one, and if you have mondrak or ojer tak out you get even more changelings to sacrifice. I don’t have the treasure token theme going in my list, but I see how it would be beneficial. If I find time to update my moxfield page I will and can link that.
@commanderinsight4 ай бұрын
@@NartnetOfficial irregular cohort is a great 2 for 1 and maybe even more with the token double/triple effects. The only concern would be if it replaces the summoner's egg, then we have less cards to bring out from the hand. creatures can get stuck in your hand and really clog it up. I might try and find another card slot to consider swapping for the cohort though. great suggestion
@tomasb964 ай бұрын
Thank you for these videos, great insight!
@commanderinsight4 ай бұрын
Hey thanks for the feedback I appreciate it! I’m glad it adds value to people out there. Most people probably want a quick deck list but it doesn’t explain the deck enough in my opinion. Unfortunately there’s no way to go into depth without making longer video
@tomasb964 ай бұрын
Indeed, you won't get all the interactions and synergies just by looking at a decklist, there are so many possibilities in Commander, it's always cool to see what other people are using and why.@@commanderinsight
@nolanwatt49377 ай бұрын
Bringer of the last gift in ixalan is an absolute beast in the karador deck I just made
@commanderinsight6 ай бұрын
Yeah that’s a great card just expensive to cast. It’s like living death kind of but on a creature.
@maxbodifee32637 ай бұрын
Meren is so cool but got hated of the table so hard that I changed the commander to Savra
@commanderinsight7 ай бұрын
Savra is cool too. But what type of meren deck were you running that it got hated enough for you to change it? Seems unreasonable to expect a fellow player to change their commander like that. If anything you can tone the deck down so it’s not so hated. Merens effect is not broken at all and it’s actually kind of slow these days. She’s dropped down the list on edhrec too. She’s still my favorite too though. I Probly don’t know enough about the situation but don’t let your friends bully you into changing commanders if you want to play meren. If it was too strong or hate bearing you can adjust the 99.
@NF-nn9ij8 ай бұрын
Just watched this and was really impressed with your passion for Karador and your meticulous deck tech. Any plans for a 2023 update?
@commanderinsight8 ай бұрын
Thank you I appreciate it! I haven’t kept up with videos recently but have a bunch of decks to update. I have many ideas I want to do so I think I’ll make updates soon. Are you running karador? How’s it going with him if so?
@NF-nn9ij8 ай бұрын
I’ve only been playing for a little under a year. I’ve got a few decks built but I’m looking to commit on a recursion commander soon. Considering all the usual suspects and Karador keeps popping up as my front runner. I wish I could add some insight. Was really considering building your exact deck but saw the age and thought it wouldn’t hurt to see if an update was on the horizon before ordering. I’ve watched almost all deck techs on most of the popular graveyard commanders and yours was my favorite. Hope you make some more videos 😊
@commanderinsight8 ай бұрын
@@NF-nn9ij awesome. I think Karador is just overlooked because of how old he is but still the best due to the colors and options. The best part about him is you can really build the deck around any creature strategy you want. There really aren’t any “must haves” other than the staples that would be run according to your strategy. This video uses hermit druid and big beaters along with vito. So I do a lot of self mill and then try and do like a living death or bolas citadel. You could do aristocrats, tokens spam, spirit tribal, abzan good stuff, sub enchantment theme and a bunch more. I plan to make updates probably after the ixilan set but there’s nothing crucial in the set that Karador absolutely needs. One card that stood out is the new Ghalta tyrant stampede. Since we already run greater good the play is to reanimate ghalta for cheap like with an animate dead or something, then on his etb activation you sac him to greater good and draw 12 then proceed to drop all the creatures in your hand onto the field. Also if you haven’t seen, I made a Meren deck tech because she can be just a powerful and fun and technically the Karador deck was a meren deck first that evolved and added white. It’s also older but has a different play style if you’re in the research phase.
@NF-nn9ij8 ай бұрын
Hey really appreciate the feedback and advice. I’m going to go check out the Meren tech you did for sure as of course she’s in the mix. The flexibility does seem really wide for Karador, and your strategy and maybe Spirit tribal appeal to me but not sure how strong spirits are compared to your mill. I’ll definitely let you know how it goes and again thank you for your help!
@NF-nn9ij8 ай бұрын
Hey, just wanted you to know I’m ordering cards for Karador and appreciate your amazing deck tech and your advice. I’ll definitely let you know how it plays out with my pod once I get it put together.
@ty_sylicus10 ай бұрын
Amazing how this deck has so few mana rocks and lands. Looks high power though.
@commanderinsight10 ай бұрын
I’ll say that it depends on your playgroup a lot too. If the deck works as intended you have a hermit druid out by turn 3 milling most of your deck the following turn. From there it’s pick and choose what you need from your gy Mana rocks would probably be smart for consistency but I prefer to risk it to be able to include more big creatures. I haven’t gotten mana screwed in a while.
@ty_sylicus10 ай бұрын
@@commanderinsight As I do with most new decks, I just put together a budget list without Hermit Druid using the parts from my old Teneb deck. No Druid means more Basics, so I have 7.
@ty_sylicus10 ай бұрын
Deck looks very powerful. I'm retooling my old Teneb deck into Karador. We share a lot of cards but you gave me a bunch of good ideas.
@commanderinsight10 ай бұрын
I had teneb in the deck at one point. I ended up not needing him but I like him a lot. What are some of the ideas you’re going to use. I’m curious
@ty_sylicus10 ай бұрын
@@commanderinsight Nothing fancy. I dropped most of the big creature reanimation strat from the Teneb build and leaned more into a toolbox with Aristocrats and a healthy amount of self mill. So we can slam Avacyn or Moonshaker Cavalry, rinse and repeat small utility and removal creatures from the yard, and also attempt to drain em out with cards like Syr Konrad. Certainly not a focused build but I want to try out some new cards and learn from playing.
@commanderinsight10 ай бұрын
@@ty_sylicus Karador is very versatile. Many different ways to build the deck and he just helps it no matter what. The effect is generic but so powerful. And most graveyard decks don’t let you have white so he really can add a unique flavor to the deck. I built mine to be fast but more so to be resilient. Wipe the board and u can rebuild in 1-3 turns where my opponents can’t. Hermit druid isn’t needed but even with 7 basics it’ll still mill you a bunch.
@dr-_-squirtz4255 Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't u be able to do it right away since your paying 1 and a green
@commanderinsight Жыл бұрын
yeah as long as ulvenwald tracker doesnt have summoning sickness or has haste since its a tap ability too
@danielfishburn7042 Жыл бұрын
Best card ever how do you feel about the new art work?
@commanderinsight Жыл бұрын
I love the card. I love the old art so much. Not a huge fan of the new art. I can’t explain why I don’t like it but compared to the old art it’s meh
@Darkling665 Жыл бұрын
Sorry for commenting on old vid. You know that one of the best things about Gisela and Blast-Furnace Hellkit (which you dont play) is that it does not only count when you attack opponents but allso if opponents attack each other.
@commanderinsight Жыл бұрын
Yeah that’s a good combo. Gisela is awesome
@NovaRocket01 Жыл бұрын
Sick art!
@imhoenn5710 Жыл бұрын
Just built this deck and got to play with it for the first time today. First three draws were every basic. I opened with Survival of the fittest and the plan was to go fetch Hermit Druid, but that plan was quickly scrapped.
@commanderinsight Жыл бұрын
Is it okay to LOL to this? Was it paper or online? If it was paper i would say thats insanely rare and dont let it deter you from playing the deck with that strat. If it was online, i don't trust the computer's shuffle patterns and "randomness" so my bet is it will happen again. That being said, when that happens where you dont have a setup gy and hermit druid is no longer a viable option, you want to try to get your other mill cards like a mesmeric orb and satyr wayfinder. It's an uphill battle for sure but redundant self-mill effects are crucial especially for situations like you experienced. Lastly, milling your entire deck isn't always a bad thing. Its very risky, but if you have a plan it can pay off big. if hermit druid has no more basic land targets and you still use his effect to mill yourself out completely, you want to make sure you have at least 1 of the following.... 1. Platinum angel on the field (if you go to draw and cant you normally lose but angel would prevent that) 2.Life from the loam in your graveyard (the dredge effect is a draw replacement so its instead of drawing you would mill 3 and return loam to your hand. then just recast it to get it back in the yard if you cant win on the spot. and 3.Out of the tombs (this is a necron card from the warhammer set also with a draw replacement. it actually can help mill if its out early enough. the easiest would be hermit druid is out, with a living death in hand and 6 mana up. mill ur whole deck and living death everything.
@imhoenn5710 Жыл бұрын
@@commanderinsight It was against a few friends on table top simulator. Not gonna keep me from playing the deck. I was still able to set up a nasty board of avacyn and archtype on I think turn 4/5. Game was close and almost won. Thanks for the tips for the future tho.
@commanderinsight Жыл бұрын
@@imhoenn5710 I knew it wasn’t irl because the chances of it happening your first game are astronomically low. That type of shenanigans only happens online when you rely on a computer to shuffle.
@pocitv Жыл бұрын
hey great video ! can i ask you where did you get that Meren version ? that's insane
@commanderinsight Жыл бұрын
theres a guy on instagram called "atomicashes" he makes proxies and sells them. good quality imo. I got it from him a few years ago. He may have a website now i havent gone back in a while. I like to get them for all my commanders i know ill be keeping for a while
@pocitv Жыл бұрын
@@commanderinsight thank you so much❤️❤️
@MaineMotman Жыл бұрын
I have most of the same cards. Some different ones I'm running because I can't afford a survival of the fittest and a few others. (Got an avacyn tho 😜) is Reoccurring Nightmare, fiend artisan, cloud stone curio, hall of heliod, crypt of agadeem, mirror pool, bramble sovereign -wich I'm iffy on. I was so psyched when I saw I basically had 50-70% of these cards and had them in the deck at almost all the same time. Been playing karador for the last almost 5 years. Maybe 6,... Maybe
@commanderinsight Жыл бұрын
Hey nice to hear! i think its great because Karador is such a widespread deck that doesn't need that many "required" cards. Its canvas to build is very large and everyone can have very different decks that still thrive. Its partly why its my favorite deck because it can constantly change but keep the core essence of the deck. Ive had 10+ versions just to try out new creatures and strategies so the deck doesnt get stale. anyway just to comment on some of the cards you mentioned, I like bramble sovereign alot and think it could be an awesome value adder by doubling creatures. Cloud stone curio to help cheat out creatures too. I use to run crypt of agadeem myself but i ended up taking it out because as my deck evolved i had less black creatures so the crypt wasnt as good. Fiend artisan is amazing and i had it in the deck for a while. i always got hermit druid from it to get things rolling. I took it out because it was a better fit in my meren deck and i try not to have decks with duplicate strategies. Lastly, in case you wernet aware, recurring nightmare is banned in commander format, but you may be playing with friends who allow it. Im just letting you know in case you didnt. with Wiards pumping out commanders so often now, cards like Karador are too "old" to be looked at seriously. I think hes a sleeper and a very good and versatile deck. its funny that muldrotha is in the top 10 most popular decks but karador is better imo.
@MaineMotman Жыл бұрын
@@commanderinsight nice!. Yeah I know wasn't aware on the reoccurring nightmare, but our play group plays anything goes. if wizard printed it, than it's legal to us. Wich can be great and can suck big time. Lol. Yeah I dig karador's versatility in he can be made so many different ways. He's been a very very fun commander
@Sonminiser Жыл бұрын
Let's say you have a turn 3 buried alive, with NO reanimation in your hand, what 3 creatures are you pitching in the grave yard?
@commanderinsight Жыл бұрын
Hey great question! I guess it would depend on your opponents decks. Regardless of what you chose it’ll make Karador cost 3 less which is great. Therefore you Probly want cheaper mana creatures so you can bring out Karador then cast them. Since the deck really accelerates from hermit druid I would pick him for sure. Then depending on the board state I would change up the last 2. If you can reliably get out Karador in the next turn or 2 and need to stall I would pick kami of the false hope (white spore frog). Granted it’ll only stop one opponent from attacking you but usually, you only have one that is ahead with an army. If the rest of the board is building and slower then I would pick the priest of fel rites and a big smasher like avacyn or sun Titan or elesh norn. If you unearth the priest you can use it the turn it comes out to bring out the other big creature. That’s Probly the two options I can think of for a turn 3 buried alive without reanimation. Once hermit druid is out everything else is easy lol
@Sonminiser Жыл бұрын
@@commanderinsight Do you have a deck list. I stole a bunch of your ideas here, but I don't know if I got everything. Looking forward to trying this Saturday. I've run Karador since his release, but played magic on and off. My old list was more toolbox and what my friends called "fair magic". Playing one thing per turn. Excited to actually pilot a decent deck.
@commanderinsight Жыл бұрын
@@Sonminiser tappedout.net/mtg-decks/16-08-21-karador-ghost-chieftain/?cb=1676465551 this is the most recent deck list. theres been 4 card changes since this video included. I took out the last 2 high cmc sorceries at the end of the video as well as circle of the life druid and cavalier of dawn. I added in 3 creatures, foundation breaker, cathar's commando and caustic caterpillar because my meta needed more artifact and enchantment removal. you may not need all 3. The last card i added was demonic tutor. expensive card so not needed if you dont have one. I would put a few more lands in the deck if you were substituting. 34 is a little low for some peoples liking and the worst feeling is having an awesome deck that just cant do anything because you dont have lands lol. none of the 4 new cards i mentioned are required so you have some room to play with and make the deck your own too. GL and let me know how it goes!
@MaineMotman Жыл бұрын
Karador and my cloudstone curio, i friggin love it
@madcitymtg1694 Жыл бұрын
I know this is an old clip so your list has likely changed. However, I am personally finally getting around to building Sythis and one of the first cards I put in the deck was Aura Shards. A true Selesnya staple that you should definitely pick up if you haven't already. It could easily replace Collector Ouphe or a medium "removal" aura.
@commanderinsight Жыл бұрын
Hey thanks for the suggestion. Here’s my take on the card as well. My build hasn’t changed much from this video, a few cards for sure but it remains very similar. A few more auras that allow me to swing in with sythis and do 21+ commander damage in one swing lol. I love aura shards and the effect. I run it in my Karador deck which is my best deck imo. So deadly especially when a sun Titan can bring it out from the gy The reason I don’t run it in sythis is because of a low creature count. She is an enchantment deck with a small creature count and will struggle to get creatures out to consistently trigger aura shards. At least my build doesn’t run enough creatures to justify it being consistent enough. The two builds I can see it working very well in is if you have a lot of enchantment creatures and/or a lot of creature token generation. I have a few of both but again it’s not consistent enough. Aura shards would hit and It would just sit there a few turns til I drew a creature or a token generator.
@OG_G4m3r9 ай бұрын
Two uses out of aura shards makes it better than other options already I've found. One of the best hate pieces to get early.
@spidermonkey28 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget with Strionic Resonator if you have the open 2 mana you can double the sacrifice proc off of this.
@afspeellijstnaruto Жыл бұрын
I have build Varina only once (only months after starting Magic, so not a big arsenal of cards back then) and it was quite fun to play, but it was a very bad deck since I did not have access to impactful cards at the time. I'll probably build my varina with the focus on Draw and Discard instead of pure zombies.
@commanderinsight Жыл бұрын
Yeah you can build her so that there’s no zombies and it’s all fodder for her to make her own army.
@mofomiko Жыл бұрын
Very sweet, i got a lot of good inspiration for an Update for my own Karador deck! By the way, im pretty sure Vito and Resolute Angel don't work, since she doen't say 'gain x life' in the textbox, so your life total just becomes 40 and it doenst trigger any lifegain effects. I had a similar interaction not work in my Liesa, Shroud of Dusk Deck because of the same reason. But regardless, im getting her too becaus of her very white ability
@commanderinsight Жыл бұрын
Hey thanks for commenting! I’m glad you got some inspiration! I love Karador the deck is so resilient. So many good cards and combos you can alternate in and out to keep the deck fresh and new while still keeping the main core strategy. Also to answer your Vito and resolute archangel question. It does work and the reason being because in order to change life total you have to gain or lose life. If I was higher then 40 life and played resolute angel I would lose life (why would you beer do that lol) but nonetheless even though the card doesn’t say you’re gaining life, it still is life gained amd vito will trigger. Here is the Mtg ruling for reference as well. It’s the second bullet on the ability. gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/details.aspx?multiverseid=383361 www.mtgassist.com/cards/Magic-2015/Resolute-Archangel/rulings/
@commanderinsight Жыл бұрын
Also, I have a Liesa Shroud of Dusk deck too! Here is the video, check it out if you want and let me know what you think. Maybe you have some cool suggestions too. Mine is slightly outdated now where I've changed a few cards than what the deck tech shows. kzread.info/dash/bejne/mJqO06-OoLLacpM.html
@mofomiko Жыл бұрын
@@commanderinsight Amazing! I don't remember the card combo for Liesa anymore, but it didnt say "gain" either and actually didnt work, so thats great News. Also, in my Playgroup my Karador Deck isn't even weak - anything but actually - still, i think it can have alot more punch and fun by removing a good chunk of tutors and the boonweaver Combo. Also, pre-upgrade i run 19 Basics, since i'm too cheap to cash out for the better Mana base. I try to replace some to bringt that number down. Would you still recommend getting the Hermit Druid? On average, with 19 Basics, he would still mill me 5 cards
@commanderinsight Жыл бұрын
@@mofomiko yeah I ran the boomweaver combo too but it became stale when I kept doing the same thing and going for the same few cards. My deck is very strongly built around using hermit druid but there’s 2-3 back up plans because hermit druid gets targeted hard when he hits. With 19 basics I don’t think he’s worth it honestly. He won’t give you very much value and he most likely won’t survive more than 1 or 2 turns. I’d either bite the bullet and get some two color lands (even the tapped lands and bounce lands are very cheap just slower) or don’t use that aspect of my build. There are other cards that self mill and could be better. Mesmeric orb is one that’s great.
@tonyguido232 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the Platinum Angel love!!! I run it in my slow mill deck and it is one of my favorite "Sorry guys" moments.
@commanderinsight Жыл бұрын
Plantinum angel is underrated to me. I’ve heard other KZreadrs say it’s horrible and people that say it’s too expensive for what it does. I get that it’s prone two the two most popular types of removal but when you get it out you can’t lose and more importantly your opponents can’t win. That means when they have their infinite combo and go off on their turn it doesn’t matter until they take care of platinum angel. By herself, she’s Probly not going to last super long but people don’t always have removal. I also run cards like avacyn and archetype of endurance which further protects her. The best feeling is when your super low life and have and angel out then manage to get resolute archangel out to shoot back to full.
@SpecialKail Жыл бұрын
I've been thinking about a Sultai deck built around Obliterator. Probably with Muldrotha at the helm. Just keep copying protecting and recuring him and making him fight down other creatures.
@commanderinsight Жыл бұрын
Sounds spicy! I love the card. The art especially but it’s effect is insane. Fight is a green mechanic so the deck has to at least be green and black. Muldrotha would be a good one for sure especially with the copying, it’s perfect. Blessed perfection lol (see flavor text). Many of the cards I talk about in the video can be useful in sultai as well.
@SpecialKail Жыл бұрын
Yeah I'm excited. I'll keep you posted. I was thinking a fight card under an isochron scepter? Also bar room brawl from baldurs gate would be interesting for politicing even tho everyone would hate you at that point
@SpecialKail Жыл бұрын
But yeah def gonna include a few of the cards you mentioned
@commanderinsight Жыл бұрын
@@SpecialKail the isochron play would be nasty. There are a few good instant green cards that let you fight so I could see that working out. Another thought is to make obliterator indestructible so it can keep fighting. In my meren deck I’m fine with it fighting the biggest power they have and then dying because I just bring it back but if you have it indestructible and then copied it that would just be a wall of 5/5s that no one would ever attack into. You could also do the cheeky moves that would boost your opponents creatures power so they have to sac more. Like when they fight you give your opponent additional +4/+4 so they need to sac 4 more permanents.
@SpecialKail Жыл бұрын
Yoooooooo getting the reprint!
@garrettlassitter7692 Жыл бұрын
Do you have a moxfield link for this deck in particular? I would love to make some changes to my Varina deck
@mrlupaco8417 Жыл бұрын
Hey there are really cool ideas in this deck. I never thought about quietus spike. I just built a Liesa deck but I will add your ideas to my wanted cards list. I also play Angel of destiny as a win con. With all the lifegain the card knocks somone out more often than i thought. Celestine from the new WH40k commander decks also seems like a fun addition for some easy recursion. It also helps that her artwork fits into the theme of the deck.
@TheFroschlurch Жыл бұрын
Do you maybe have a moxfield link? I would love to build varina and Id like to use your deck as a base to start on :)
@themadgamer4571 Жыл бұрын
Working on a Karador ETB/Sac. Your dech teck gives me some ideas especially with protection from getting the GY exiled and the Hermit Druid with only 3 basics, is nuts. Heavy creature utility recursion, Panharmonicon+Luminous Broodmoth or Mikaeus gives 4 ETB triggers per cast, on like a ravenous chupacabra. Moth is cool to make ground creatures flyers, to block opponents flying, then they die and we get even more ETB. Pan+Moth+God eternal rhonas is disgusting. Rhonas says MAY so you can let him die and trigger moth+pan giving 4 double triggers making 1/1 to 16/16. I also run a couple cards */* = to number in GY. Have brawn in GY for trample and a Pathbreaker Ibex to get an overwhelming stampede everytime you cast him from GY or getting Multiple synergy triggers.
@commanderinsight Жыл бұрын
I have a Meren deck and a Karador deck and to make sure they aren't too similar i try and isolate strategies for each. Meren is my sac deck and karador is my heavy creature recursion deck. It can rebuild so well as long as GY doesn't get completely exiled. Luminous Broodmoth has been in and out of the deck for me. Issue is a lot of the big creatures I run have flying already to broodmoth doesn't do anything there. Panharmonicon is always a great card if you build around it. Theres a bunch of good white flicker and bounce creatures that can also help.
@TCA_312 Жыл бұрын
Where did you find that Karador proxy?! Killer deck techs!
@commanderinsight Жыл бұрын
Hey thanks you! I appreciate the feedback. There’s a guy on Instagram atomicashes he makes proxies and I’ve bought from him. Back when I did it, it was just from his pictures on Instagram but he may have grown to a point where there’s a website and such now. I love the proxy it’s more bad ass and less cartoon-y I have a cool meren of clan nel toth too. See her deck tech vid if you’re interested.
@themadgamer4571 Жыл бұрын
I've had Karador cost over 20 Mana with all the tax. Still play him for 3 lol. Playing the creatures is great, but his cost reduction made him my favorite commander since he came out. A long time! It's not until Prosper, Tome-Bound showed up that Karador became #2.
@commanderinsight Жыл бұрын
I know it’s incredible! He’s only ever 3 mana typically I love it. What do you like so much about the prosper deck? Does it play similar to Karador? I don’t like that you have to play the exiled card by next turn or you lose it. Maybe I’m not seeing the benefits as much.
@themadgamer4571 Жыл бұрын
@@commanderinsight Prosper is a total value engine. Some things get exiled forever but that's fine. The whole point is getting the impulse to get through your deck, continuously getting the card advantage and ramp from the treasure. Mine isn't a cEDH deck but can for sure do it. Though there are tons of synergies. As you exile through your deck, there's cards to deal damage as you cast from exile, make treasures, dealing damage from gaining the treasures, dealing damage sacrificing them to cast more spells from exile. Or unloading the treasure for a KO with like Marionette master. I had Xorn, Inspiring Statuary, and Academy Manufactor out and it was just nuts, I was making 2 treasure, 2 food, 2 clues off of each exile cast, which then I can tap them to cast more things from exile to exile more cards making 6 artifacts. On top of that cascading giving even more. My opponents were sweating. The extra treasures help to pay for commander tax, having nim death mantle is nice, even tapped out can sac 4 treasures to save Prosper. With a few other staples to protect him. Players can't remove exile like they can a graveyard so that is nice, so no need to try to protect that.
@deHExi Жыл бұрын
I play it in my Captain N'gathrod blue/black deck.
@commanderinsight Жыл бұрын
Love it!
@BlockierWeevil Жыл бұрын
I am not sure angel of serenity works like that, I checked gatherer and it doesn't sound the same. But I love this deck tech bro!
@commanderinsight Жыл бұрын
Are you referring to the death and ETB trigger shenanigans? here is a quick google search i did to try and find another explanation. This one involves dead eye navigator but the process flow is the same for etb and ltb triggers www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/776835-permanently-exile-creatures-with-angel-of-serenity
Пікірлер
Yenna, Redtooth Reagent would do wonders in this list, especially with Gauntlets of Light
yeah i have thought about leaning more into auras because there has been a lot of good support cards for it.
@@commanderinsight even without the aura's she can pack a punch, I run a pillow fort list for Sythis myself with her in it and having the potential copy any enchantment is amazing.
@@midnightblue9999 yeah for sure I do run Calix Guided by Fate which also can copy and enchantment. he is also an enchantment so you get to draw off him coming out, only 3 mana and can also pump your commander every time another enchantment comes out. The condition to copy is you have to do combat damage with an enchanted creature so maybe that can be a little tougher in certain situations Yenna doesn't seem as good since she 4 mana and not an enchantment herself. Then she costs 2 and tap so you cant do it the turn she comes out typically. Maybe im wrong though and should give it a 2nd look
By far the most in depth Atla deck guide out there, thanks so much. Atla is my first deck so the explanations for each and every card are very much appreciated. Would be interested in an update if the deck has changed at all since recording, as I know a lot of useful cards such as Annie Joins Up have been released since.
@@ToxicScorp thank you much appreciated! That was exactly my thinking is to try and do a more in depth explanation for newer players to the game or just the deck. And yes there’s been updates since this video. I think the moxfield link in the description should be updated. When enough cards change I’ll do another video. Annie joins up was the only card from thunder junction I used. But I added a bunch more draw cards and such.
Ah brilliant, I’ll take a look. Outside of Annie Joins up the only recent change for me has been adding Lazotep quarry from MH3 as a nice sac outlet built into a land.
@@ToxicScorp i actually missed that so thanks for bringing it to my attention. I dont like that it only taps for colorless but it is another one time sac outlet on a land which we only have 1 other (high market). I'll see if i can fit that in. We usually dont get color screwed because of our spread so it may be viable
@@ToxicScorp If you want to discuss further and ask questions or just have a more in depth conversation about the deck/cards/strategies you can email me at [email protected] like if your wondering why certain cards were added and/or taken out.
@@commanderinsight thanks a ton, if I have any questions I’ll be sure to send them your way. Atla is such a fun commander to play with so much potential so I’m having a great time refining and improving my own deck
Any update for modern horizons 3?
Actually Yes theres a few. I added strength of the harvest as another power pump aura or a land if you need it, I added Pearl-Ear, imperial advisor because it makes our enchantments cheaper and helps us draw more when we cast auras. i also added trickster's elk because its another way to make opponents creatures null or it can be just another enchantment creature.
i dig it!!
thank you i appreciate that!
Wawawoowee, what a great video. I like.
@@trueagentt thank you very much!
So you dont run sanctum weaver with gauntlets of light, but you use serras sanctum, thats wild.
One of those makes infinite mana and the other just makes a lot of mana and only once per turn. Gauntlets of light is useless unless you have sanctum weaver and since I don’t go for them I don’t see the 2 of them at the same time unless happen to draw them both. It was done on purpose to limit the deck. Your username is much more wild anyways.
I’ve seen mixed opinions on whether harmonic prodigy actually gives you two triggers on the commanders effect.
Interesting, What is the case against it? Why wouldn’t it, the wording seems very straight forward
@@commanderinsight I think it’s a misunderstanding between triggered and activated abilities. Some people think you can use harmonic prodigy to create two egg tokens with the commanders effect, which is improper, since creating the eggs is an activated ability. But harmonic prodigy will get you two creatures any time an egg dies, so it works out better in the end.
@@yamirlealjr yes I think that is 100% correct. You always make 1 egg and get two creature from that egg dying. Atla only has 1 triggered ability so it’s the only thing that could be effected by harmonic prodigy is the death trigger. There should be no mixed opinions about it because one side is just flat out wrong about it lol. Making the egg is an activated ability 100% and cannot be doubled by prodigy.
Haha! This is the deck I’ve been searching for! Great insight on each card and great deck list. Needs a bit of upgrading with outlaws set and MH3 coming up, look forward to seeing what u do!
Thank you! Atla has been my favorite deck for a bit now so I’m constantly trying to make it more fun and stronger. I have since updated the deck a bit from this video. If I made a video everytime I updated it would be weekly lol. The only card I added in from outlaws was Annie joins up. I also need to look through MH3 and see what could go in there.
Yep, I am adding Annie instead of the shaman so that my eggs don’t hit it. Also, I’m going to experiment with Lurking Predators and Cream of the Crop combo. Cream also works well with the theme of the deck. I’ll probably remove Eldritch Evolution to test and something else for the cream. I’m eager to see how stacking the deck works. Plus free creatures with lurking could be insane! I can see this deck instantly being one of my favorites. Also, sylvan tutor is probably going in since it’s a worldly tutor clone and is crazy in this deck.
@@Bondman007Vids Those are some spicy combos. I've used lurking predators in the very early builds of this deck. I never used cream of the crop in here though. I've used both individually in other decks. Cream of the crop didn't really do what i wanted it to but again i didn't use the 2 together. I'd say by themselves they aren't great stand alone but yes together they can basically keep dropping huge creatures whenever an opponent casts anything. What always happened to me with lurking predators was i would keep whiffing good non-creature cards and scrying them to the bottom in an attempt to dig for a creature, then would draw the big beater creature because my opponents didn't cast anything more just by happenstance. It happened too many times for me to justify the 6 drop enchantment lol. I hope you have better luck with it. If your focus is to try and stack the deck i'd also look into congregation at dawn. Its a wordly tutor for up to 3 creatures. Could be useful with lurking predators. I currently run both annie joins up and harmonic prodigy. My reasoning for not taking out prodigy is because even though its not great to hit when you need a beater to block or attack from an egg, she will allow you to get double the beaters every time thereafter. I dont know the statistical numbers but its more likely she will hit the battlefield over annie joins up. shes cheaper to cast if they end up in your hand and can come out from egg triggers that dig through your deck which really helps the odds of seeing her. also i put maskwood nexus back in the deck (not in video) and that makes everything and egg but also makes everything a shaman/wizard so any time any creature effect triggers it does it twice. this is huge for a lot of effects where annie only lets legendary creatures trigger twice. but both of these work well for Atla either way. Its nice to have both to increase the odds of getting at least one of them out so your eggs double. It can get crazy when you have a token doubler out and a double trigger, you pay 2 mana, make 2 eggs instead of 1 and then get 4 beaters out from it. Last thing, someone else in the comments mentioned using life finds a way. I'm really looking into this again now that we have the ability to make more eggs. This card alone can bring out almost all the creatures in your deck. As long as you can keep an egg token out, you can sac another egg, bring out a beater with power 4+ then populate to make another egg and sac that egg do it again, populate and keep it going. If you wanted to make it a guarantee you an make sure every creature has 4+ power. Let me know how it goes with your brewing and testing!
Wow. Thats some great insight! Thats why I really like your video. The reasoning with the harmonic prodigy makes perfect sense. The flaw to the lurking predators/cream of the crop is the age old problem with edh, getting 2 cards out at the same time can be almost impossible at times. I think I’ll actually play it the way you currently have it made and then perhaps make tweaks as I go. I really like the thinking behind this deck though! Have you updated Moxfield with your current deck list??
@@Bondman007Vids Thanks I appreciate it and im glad you like the build. I havent currently updated the decklist just yet but it will soon. Potentially will make another video (not as long) with the updates. I encourage anyone who wants to make a similar build to watch the full video so when you play you can pilot the deck to an optimal level quicker. Then the fun part comes where you can start to add your own creativity and spicy combos like the lurking predators/cream of the crop strat. Feel free to ask me anything else about the deck build or potential cards/strats. i love talking about it and want to hear others spicy combos.
Have you put any thoughts into Life Finds A Way? If you have two or more eggs out with a sac outlet, you can usually put out every single creature in your deck since most/all creatures in your deck will have 4+ power
Hey great suggestion. I’ve looked at the card before and contemplated putting it in. I may give it another shot because you’re right if we can trigger AP effect while still having an egg token then we can keep making them. The problem i had was i would always sac the one and only token so I would have nothing to populate. Great suggestion
@@commanderinsight Yeah, it does require having two eggs, atleast one being a token, granted we now have the dinosaur that makes 2 eggs plus Mirror Entity, Maskwood Nexus, and other cards that give changeling, plus token doubling creatures. Plus, if you have LFaW in your hand, you could just hold onto the egg til your next turn when you can make another with Atla. Messes with flow of rhythm just a tad but I think it's worth it since it has so many states that result in all your creatures out and about
@@TheAlmightyGameGenie I’m going to try it I changed up the deck a little since this video and I think it would work better. I also recently put in ancient gold dragon with the dragon tempest because it can be a 2 card win if you roll high enough. Making even 10 little fairies can all be eggs to sac with maskwood nexus too. The deck really starts to synergize well with the newer cards that released.
How do you feel about adding Court of Grace to this deck? Would it be any good?
Hey, thanks for sharing. My honest opinion is I feel court of grace would be tough to maintain in order to keep getting the angels. Any of the court enchantments have alluring effects if youre the monarch but you need blockers and ways to keep the monarch or get it back. Best case you get 1 angel each turn. Worst case it’s a 1/1. The other 2 angel generators can make multiple during our turn and I think play into the enchantment strategy a bit better. If you’re leaning into the token build and just want as many token effects to make lots of them and go wide then it could be a cool include. I’d also recommend archon of suns grace, divine visitation, ajanis chosen and then the 2 card combo I mention in this video that gives you infinite tokens
👍
Flickering Ward had "This effect doesn't remove Flickering Ward" added. Otherwise, it absolutely would remove it.
You’re right. The text in the card doesn’t mention it but it’s in the errata on scryfqll which is why I mentioned it. But yes if it didn’t say that then naming white would remove its self too.
Combine possibility storm with Drannith Magistrate to fully lock your opponents out!
You’re right that’s such a good combo. I’m not there yet with my playgroup lol. We all have a gentleman’s agreement not to play drannith yet. But as soon as someone breaks that agreement I will definitely put it in
So can the commander bring a creature back without paying the cost for the creature in the graveyard or what? Im confused with that
Hey, good question. So with karadors effect you can cast one creature from your graveyard per turn. So any creature in your graveyard can be treated as if it was in your hand. So the bigger your graveyard the more options you have. You can get cheeky with it and use effects that bring back multiple creatures and keep recurring them. If you’re looking for a commander that brings back a creature without paying for it that would be Meren of clan nel toth. She’s golgari black green and a lot of fun too. I also have a deck video for her if you’re interested but it’s a little outdated. Still relevant and good though.
@@commanderinsight thank you so much for responding i will definitely check that out too thank you
If ever you want to get the engine going faster, you can swap in some low cost Shapeshifters. This way you can play one before Atla comes out and directly sac it for an "egg" trigger once she's out. This also doesn't make it an issue when flipping an egg into a Shapeshifter as you can simply sac it as an "egg" to go get a creature. I had a version of Atla with multiple Shapeshifters and as soon as you get a trigger doubler ([Harmonic Prodigy], [Illusionist's Bracers] or the new insane [Annie Joins Up]) it goes crazy; Sac an egg, flip out a Shapeshifter and a Beater, sac the Shapeshifter and repeat.
I "had" a version of it, dismantled it to make her a lower power deck for my pod.
Hey nice advice I appreciate the comment. You're right that it could potentially speed up the deck to already have an "egg" out before Atla Palani drops . In the past my experience was they didn't work faster but it might be worth looking into as I' haven't considered it in a while
@@commanderinsight I'd say that [[Irregular Cohort]] is probably the best one as it also creates a shapeshifter token on ETB which means 2 eggs triggers on 1 card or even more with trigger/token doublers. An other suggestion would be [[Aether Flash]] which deals 2 damage to any creature that ETB. Auto sac outlet for your eggs and a defense versus go wide token decks. I don't play with those, but if you do, you could always add the infinite combo with [[Mirror Entity]]
Great video thanks ! I've built a Ian Malcolm's one since IXALAN with dinos only but I'll shift this a little bit taking some great ideas here!
Ian Malcom is a great alt art for atla palani i loved the idea when i saw it from Ixilan. If I was running him as the alt art commander i'd definitely run the card "Life finds a way" just to be on theme lol. But it also isn't a bad card for the deck you just have to keep an egg token on the field so you have something to populate each time. Im glad the video helped i appreciate your comment! Just curious, what ideas did you find that your considering using?
I've recently been looking into starting magic the gathering and this deck video was extremely helpful explaining how this commander works and the different combinations of cards you can use as well as the different ways to use them. I love a good card game with some strategic gambling to it.
Hey thanks im glad to hear. My goal was to give more insight on how to pilot the deck not just the list of cards. Although some may want just that i think more players will get more out of some of the tips and tricks then just a list to figure things out. Let me know how it goes if you end up playing her! Good luck!
Also, there is the new Thunder Junction card that I will add: "Annie joins up" , doubling trigger while being an enchant (better than roaming throne in this deck I suppose...)
@@PapyMagic yes i think i am 100% adding that. it may even replace harmonic prodigy but im not sure yet
as a new player i just bought a atla deck from a friend as my first one. This video is great just to get understanding how to play the deck eventho my deck obviously dont have all the omega cards u have :D
Welcome to team eggs! I'm really glad you found the video useful. I had new players to MTG and new players to Atla Palani in mind when i made the video. And don't worry about having the best possible cards in the deck. Im sure i dont even have that. Although some are expensive now, theyve been in my collection so im putting them to good use. For you as a new player, it doesn't really matter what creatures you put in the deck you can really do whatever you want in the Naya colors which is great for variety. Let me know how your deck plays and if you end up using and tips/pointers from the video. I appreciate the comment.
If you’re looking for the hardest hitting, most well put together Atla deck, look no farther. Commander Insight coming back after a small hiatus to bring us yet another high quality deck tech created with passion and endless hours of playtesting. Thanks for the fire deck and keep making more content so we can continue to dominate at the table 😊
That’s high praise! I appreciate you thank you.
At 29 min in. Altisar saus it fights 'up to' one creature, so you can choose to fight 0 creatures.
Yes someone else commented that too. I should edit that out. I can’t believe I’ve been playing that card for so long and never read the “up to” part. It makes the card a lot better too. Thanks for pointing it out
Love the deck. Definitely gonna take some of your ideas for mine. Just want to mention that apex Altisaur fights UP TO one target creature you don’t control. So you don’t have to make it continue fighting. Once I learned that the card became so so so much better and also doesnt cause an infinite loop because you can choose to not target anything.
OMG you’re right. I can’t believe I never noticed that. I’ve seen and read this card so many times and never thought about the wording. Thanks for pointing it out. I feel dumb lol Just curious, what ideas did you see that intrigued you?
@@commanderinsight greater gargadon is a niche one that I didn’t know existed and am now playtesting. Claws of gix I’m trying out too. As well as summoners egg. I’ve played Atla for about a year now and I love making changes. I think you should see if irregular cohort would work in yours, if you have a repeatable sacrifice outlet it’s a two for one, and if you have mondrak or ojer tak out you get even more changelings to sacrifice. I don’t have the treasure token theme going in my list, but I see how it would be beneficial. If I find time to update my moxfield page I will and can link that.
@@NartnetOfficial irregular cohort is a great 2 for 1 and maybe even more with the token double/triple effects. The only concern would be if it replaces the summoner's egg, then we have less cards to bring out from the hand. creatures can get stuck in your hand and really clog it up. I might try and find another card slot to consider swapping for the cohort though. great suggestion
Thank you for these videos, great insight!
Hey thanks for the feedback I appreciate it! I’m glad it adds value to people out there. Most people probably want a quick deck list but it doesn’t explain the deck enough in my opinion. Unfortunately there’s no way to go into depth without making longer video
Indeed, you won't get all the interactions and synergies just by looking at a decklist, there are so many possibilities in Commander, it's always cool to see what other people are using and why.@@commanderinsight
Bringer of the last gift in ixalan is an absolute beast in the karador deck I just made
Yeah that’s a great card just expensive to cast. It’s like living death kind of but on a creature.
Meren is so cool but got hated of the table so hard that I changed the commander to Savra
Savra is cool too. But what type of meren deck were you running that it got hated enough for you to change it? Seems unreasonable to expect a fellow player to change their commander like that. If anything you can tone the deck down so it’s not so hated. Merens effect is not broken at all and it’s actually kind of slow these days. She’s dropped down the list on edhrec too. She’s still my favorite too though. I Probly don’t know enough about the situation but don’t let your friends bully you into changing commanders if you want to play meren. If it was too strong or hate bearing you can adjust the 99.
Just watched this and was really impressed with your passion for Karador and your meticulous deck tech. Any plans for a 2023 update?
Thank you I appreciate it! I haven’t kept up with videos recently but have a bunch of decks to update. I have many ideas I want to do so I think I’ll make updates soon. Are you running karador? How’s it going with him if so?
I’ve only been playing for a little under a year. I’ve got a few decks built but I’m looking to commit on a recursion commander soon. Considering all the usual suspects and Karador keeps popping up as my front runner. I wish I could add some insight. Was really considering building your exact deck but saw the age and thought it wouldn’t hurt to see if an update was on the horizon before ordering. I’ve watched almost all deck techs on most of the popular graveyard commanders and yours was my favorite. Hope you make some more videos 😊
@@NF-nn9ij awesome. I think Karador is just overlooked because of how old he is but still the best due to the colors and options. The best part about him is you can really build the deck around any creature strategy you want. There really aren’t any “must haves” other than the staples that would be run according to your strategy. This video uses hermit druid and big beaters along with vito. So I do a lot of self mill and then try and do like a living death or bolas citadel. You could do aristocrats, tokens spam, spirit tribal, abzan good stuff, sub enchantment theme and a bunch more. I plan to make updates probably after the ixilan set but there’s nothing crucial in the set that Karador absolutely needs. One card that stood out is the new Ghalta tyrant stampede. Since we already run greater good the play is to reanimate ghalta for cheap like with an animate dead or something, then on his etb activation you sac him to greater good and draw 12 then proceed to drop all the creatures in your hand onto the field. Also if you haven’t seen, I made a Meren deck tech because she can be just a powerful and fun and technically the Karador deck was a meren deck first that evolved and added white. It’s also older but has a different play style if you’re in the research phase.
Hey really appreciate the feedback and advice. I’m going to go check out the Meren tech you did for sure as of course she’s in the mix. The flexibility does seem really wide for Karador, and your strategy and maybe Spirit tribal appeal to me but not sure how strong spirits are compared to your mill. I’ll definitely let you know how it goes and again thank you for your help!
Hey, just wanted you to know I’m ordering cards for Karador and appreciate your amazing deck tech and your advice. I’ll definitely let you know how it plays out with my pod once I get it put together.
Amazing how this deck has so few mana rocks and lands. Looks high power though.
I’ll say that it depends on your playgroup a lot too. If the deck works as intended you have a hermit druid out by turn 3 milling most of your deck the following turn. From there it’s pick and choose what you need from your gy Mana rocks would probably be smart for consistency but I prefer to risk it to be able to include more big creatures. I haven’t gotten mana screwed in a while.
@@commanderinsight As I do with most new decks, I just put together a budget list without Hermit Druid using the parts from my old Teneb deck. No Druid means more Basics, so I have 7.
Deck looks very powerful. I'm retooling my old Teneb deck into Karador. We share a lot of cards but you gave me a bunch of good ideas.
I had teneb in the deck at one point. I ended up not needing him but I like him a lot. What are some of the ideas you’re going to use. I’m curious
@@commanderinsight Nothing fancy. I dropped most of the big creature reanimation strat from the Teneb build and leaned more into a toolbox with Aristocrats and a healthy amount of self mill. So we can slam Avacyn or Moonshaker Cavalry, rinse and repeat small utility and removal creatures from the yard, and also attempt to drain em out with cards like Syr Konrad. Certainly not a focused build but I want to try out some new cards and learn from playing.
@@ty_sylicus Karador is very versatile. Many different ways to build the deck and he just helps it no matter what. The effect is generic but so powerful. And most graveyard decks don’t let you have white so he really can add a unique flavor to the deck. I built mine to be fast but more so to be resilient. Wipe the board and u can rebuild in 1-3 turns where my opponents can’t. Hermit druid isn’t needed but even with 7 basics it’ll still mill you a bunch.
Wouldn't u be able to do it right away since your paying 1 and a green
yeah as long as ulvenwald tracker doesnt have summoning sickness or has haste since its a tap ability too
Best card ever how do you feel about the new art work?
I love the card. I love the old art so much. Not a huge fan of the new art. I can’t explain why I don’t like it but compared to the old art it’s meh
Sorry for commenting on old vid. You know that one of the best things about Gisela and Blast-Furnace Hellkit (which you dont play) is that it does not only count when you attack opponents but allso if opponents attack each other.
Yeah that’s a good combo. Gisela is awesome
Sick art!
Just built this deck and got to play with it for the first time today. First three draws were every basic. I opened with Survival of the fittest and the plan was to go fetch Hermit Druid, but that plan was quickly scrapped.
Is it okay to LOL to this? Was it paper or online? If it was paper i would say thats insanely rare and dont let it deter you from playing the deck with that strat. If it was online, i don't trust the computer's shuffle patterns and "randomness" so my bet is it will happen again. That being said, when that happens where you dont have a setup gy and hermit druid is no longer a viable option, you want to try to get your other mill cards like a mesmeric orb and satyr wayfinder. It's an uphill battle for sure but redundant self-mill effects are crucial especially for situations like you experienced. Lastly, milling your entire deck isn't always a bad thing. Its very risky, but if you have a plan it can pay off big. if hermit druid has no more basic land targets and you still use his effect to mill yourself out completely, you want to make sure you have at least 1 of the following.... 1. Platinum angel on the field (if you go to draw and cant you normally lose but angel would prevent that) 2.Life from the loam in your graveyard (the dredge effect is a draw replacement so its instead of drawing you would mill 3 and return loam to your hand. then just recast it to get it back in the yard if you cant win on the spot. and 3.Out of the tombs (this is a necron card from the warhammer set also with a draw replacement. it actually can help mill if its out early enough. the easiest would be hermit druid is out, with a living death in hand and 6 mana up. mill ur whole deck and living death everything.
@@commanderinsight It was against a few friends on table top simulator. Not gonna keep me from playing the deck. I was still able to set up a nasty board of avacyn and archtype on I think turn 4/5. Game was close and almost won. Thanks for the tips for the future tho.
@@imhoenn5710 I knew it wasn’t irl because the chances of it happening your first game are astronomically low. That type of shenanigans only happens online when you rely on a computer to shuffle.
hey great video ! can i ask you where did you get that Meren version ? that's insane
theres a guy on instagram called "atomicashes" he makes proxies and sells them. good quality imo. I got it from him a few years ago. He may have a website now i havent gone back in a while. I like to get them for all my commanders i know ill be keeping for a while
@@commanderinsight thank you so much❤️❤️
I have most of the same cards. Some different ones I'm running because I can't afford a survival of the fittest and a few others. (Got an avacyn tho 😜) is Reoccurring Nightmare, fiend artisan, cloud stone curio, hall of heliod, crypt of agadeem, mirror pool, bramble sovereign -wich I'm iffy on. I was so psyched when I saw I basically had 50-70% of these cards and had them in the deck at almost all the same time. Been playing karador for the last almost 5 years. Maybe 6,... Maybe
Hey nice to hear! i think its great because Karador is such a widespread deck that doesn't need that many "required" cards. Its canvas to build is very large and everyone can have very different decks that still thrive. Its partly why its my favorite deck because it can constantly change but keep the core essence of the deck. Ive had 10+ versions just to try out new creatures and strategies so the deck doesnt get stale. anyway just to comment on some of the cards you mentioned, I like bramble sovereign alot and think it could be an awesome value adder by doubling creatures. Cloud stone curio to help cheat out creatures too. I use to run crypt of agadeem myself but i ended up taking it out because as my deck evolved i had less black creatures so the crypt wasnt as good. Fiend artisan is amazing and i had it in the deck for a while. i always got hermit druid from it to get things rolling. I took it out because it was a better fit in my meren deck and i try not to have decks with duplicate strategies. Lastly, in case you wernet aware, recurring nightmare is banned in commander format, but you may be playing with friends who allow it. Im just letting you know in case you didnt. with Wiards pumping out commanders so often now, cards like Karador are too "old" to be looked at seriously. I think hes a sleeper and a very good and versatile deck. its funny that muldrotha is in the top 10 most popular decks but karador is better imo.
@@commanderinsight nice!. Yeah I know wasn't aware on the reoccurring nightmare, but our play group plays anything goes. if wizard printed it, than it's legal to us. Wich can be great and can suck big time. Lol. Yeah I dig karador's versatility in he can be made so many different ways. He's been a very very fun commander
Let's say you have a turn 3 buried alive, with NO reanimation in your hand, what 3 creatures are you pitching in the grave yard?
Hey great question! I guess it would depend on your opponents decks. Regardless of what you chose it’ll make Karador cost 3 less which is great. Therefore you Probly want cheaper mana creatures so you can bring out Karador then cast them. Since the deck really accelerates from hermit druid I would pick him for sure. Then depending on the board state I would change up the last 2. If you can reliably get out Karador in the next turn or 2 and need to stall I would pick kami of the false hope (white spore frog). Granted it’ll only stop one opponent from attacking you but usually, you only have one that is ahead with an army. If the rest of the board is building and slower then I would pick the priest of fel rites and a big smasher like avacyn or sun Titan or elesh norn. If you unearth the priest you can use it the turn it comes out to bring out the other big creature. That’s Probly the two options I can think of for a turn 3 buried alive without reanimation. Once hermit druid is out everything else is easy lol
@@commanderinsight Do you have a deck list. I stole a bunch of your ideas here, but I don't know if I got everything. Looking forward to trying this Saturday. I've run Karador since his release, but played magic on and off. My old list was more toolbox and what my friends called "fair magic". Playing one thing per turn. Excited to actually pilot a decent deck.
@@Sonminiser tappedout.net/mtg-decks/16-08-21-karador-ghost-chieftain/?cb=1676465551 this is the most recent deck list. theres been 4 card changes since this video included. I took out the last 2 high cmc sorceries at the end of the video as well as circle of the life druid and cavalier of dawn. I added in 3 creatures, foundation breaker, cathar's commando and caustic caterpillar because my meta needed more artifact and enchantment removal. you may not need all 3. The last card i added was demonic tutor. expensive card so not needed if you dont have one. I would put a few more lands in the deck if you were substituting. 34 is a little low for some peoples liking and the worst feeling is having an awesome deck that just cant do anything because you dont have lands lol. none of the 4 new cards i mentioned are required so you have some room to play with and make the deck your own too. GL and let me know how it goes!
Karador and my cloudstone curio, i friggin love it
I know this is an old clip so your list has likely changed. However, I am personally finally getting around to building Sythis and one of the first cards I put in the deck was Aura Shards. A true Selesnya staple that you should definitely pick up if you haven't already. It could easily replace Collector Ouphe or a medium "removal" aura.
Hey thanks for the suggestion. Here’s my take on the card as well. My build hasn’t changed much from this video, a few cards for sure but it remains very similar. A few more auras that allow me to swing in with sythis and do 21+ commander damage in one swing lol. I love aura shards and the effect. I run it in my Karador deck which is my best deck imo. So deadly especially when a sun Titan can bring it out from the gy The reason I don’t run it in sythis is because of a low creature count. She is an enchantment deck with a small creature count and will struggle to get creatures out to consistently trigger aura shards. At least my build doesn’t run enough creatures to justify it being consistent enough. The two builds I can see it working very well in is if you have a lot of enchantment creatures and/or a lot of creature token generation. I have a few of both but again it’s not consistent enough. Aura shards would hit and It would just sit there a few turns til I drew a creature or a token generator.
Two uses out of aura shards makes it better than other options already I've found. One of the best hate pieces to get early.
Don't forget with Strionic Resonator if you have the open 2 mana you can double the sacrifice proc off of this.
I have build Varina only once (only months after starting Magic, so not a big arsenal of cards back then) and it was quite fun to play, but it was a very bad deck since I did not have access to impactful cards at the time. I'll probably build my varina with the focus on Draw and Discard instead of pure zombies.
Yeah you can build her so that there’s no zombies and it’s all fodder for her to make her own army.
Very sweet, i got a lot of good inspiration for an Update for my own Karador deck! By the way, im pretty sure Vito and Resolute Angel don't work, since she doen't say 'gain x life' in the textbox, so your life total just becomes 40 and it doenst trigger any lifegain effects. I had a similar interaction not work in my Liesa, Shroud of Dusk Deck because of the same reason. But regardless, im getting her too becaus of her very white ability
Hey thanks for commenting! I’m glad you got some inspiration! I love Karador the deck is so resilient. So many good cards and combos you can alternate in and out to keep the deck fresh and new while still keeping the main core strategy. Also to answer your Vito and resolute archangel question. It does work and the reason being because in order to change life total you have to gain or lose life. If I was higher then 40 life and played resolute angel I would lose life (why would you beer do that lol) but nonetheless even though the card doesn’t say you’re gaining life, it still is life gained amd vito will trigger. Here is the Mtg ruling for reference as well. It’s the second bullet on the ability. gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/details.aspx?multiverseid=383361 www.mtgassist.com/cards/Magic-2015/Resolute-Archangel/rulings/
Also, I have a Liesa Shroud of Dusk deck too! Here is the video, check it out if you want and let me know what you think. Maybe you have some cool suggestions too. Mine is slightly outdated now where I've changed a few cards than what the deck tech shows. kzread.info/dash/bejne/mJqO06-OoLLacpM.html
@@commanderinsight Amazing! I don't remember the card combo for Liesa anymore, but it didnt say "gain" either and actually didnt work, so thats great News. Also, in my Playgroup my Karador Deck isn't even weak - anything but actually - still, i think it can have alot more punch and fun by removing a good chunk of tutors and the boonweaver Combo. Also, pre-upgrade i run 19 Basics, since i'm too cheap to cash out for the better Mana base. I try to replace some to bringt that number down. Would you still recommend getting the Hermit Druid? On average, with 19 Basics, he would still mill me 5 cards
@@mofomiko yeah I ran the boomweaver combo too but it became stale when I kept doing the same thing and going for the same few cards. My deck is very strongly built around using hermit druid but there’s 2-3 back up plans because hermit druid gets targeted hard when he hits. With 19 basics I don’t think he’s worth it honestly. He won’t give you very much value and he most likely won’t survive more than 1 or 2 turns. I’d either bite the bullet and get some two color lands (even the tapped lands and bounce lands are very cheap just slower) or don’t use that aspect of my build. There are other cards that self mill and could be better. Mesmeric orb is one that’s great.
Thank you so much for the Platinum Angel love!!! I run it in my slow mill deck and it is one of my favorite "Sorry guys" moments.
Plantinum angel is underrated to me. I’ve heard other KZreadrs say it’s horrible and people that say it’s too expensive for what it does. I get that it’s prone two the two most popular types of removal but when you get it out you can’t lose and more importantly your opponents can’t win. That means when they have their infinite combo and go off on their turn it doesn’t matter until they take care of platinum angel. By herself, she’s Probly not going to last super long but people don’t always have removal. I also run cards like avacyn and archetype of endurance which further protects her. The best feeling is when your super low life and have and angel out then manage to get resolute archangel out to shoot back to full.
I've been thinking about a Sultai deck built around Obliterator. Probably with Muldrotha at the helm. Just keep copying protecting and recuring him and making him fight down other creatures.
Sounds spicy! I love the card. The art especially but it’s effect is insane. Fight is a green mechanic so the deck has to at least be green and black. Muldrotha would be a good one for sure especially with the copying, it’s perfect. Blessed perfection lol (see flavor text). Many of the cards I talk about in the video can be useful in sultai as well.
Yeah I'm excited. I'll keep you posted. I was thinking a fight card under an isochron scepter? Also bar room brawl from baldurs gate would be interesting for politicing even tho everyone would hate you at that point
But yeah def gonna include a few of the cards you mentioned
@@SpecialKail the isochron play would be nasty. There are a few good instant green cards that let you fight so I could see that working out. Another thought is to make obliterator indestructible so it can keep fighting. In my meren deck I’m fine with it fighting the biggest power they have and then dying because I just bring it back but if you have it indestructible and then copied it that would just be a wall of 5/5s that no one would ever attack into. You could also do the cheeky moves that would boost your opponents creatures power so they have to sac more. Like when they fight you give your opponent additional +4/+4 so they need to sac 4 more permanents.
Yoooooooo getting the reprint!
Do you have a moxfield link for this deck in particular? I would love to make some changes to my Varina deck
Hey there are really cool ideas in this deck. I never thought about quietus spike. I just built a Liesa deck but I will add your ideas to my wanted cards list. I also play Angel of destiny as a win con. With all the lifegain the card knocks somone out more often than i thought. Celestine from the new WH40k commander decks also seems like a fun addition for some easy recursion. It also helps that her artwork fits into the theme of the deck.
Do you maybe have a moxfield link? I would love to build varina and Id like to use your deck as a base to start on :)
Working on a Karador ETB/Sac. Your dech teck gives me some ideas especially with protection from getting the GY exiled and the Hermit Druid with only 3 basics, is nuts. Heavy creature utility recursion, Panharmonicon+Luminous Broodmoth or Mikaeus gives 4 ETB triggers per cast, on like a ravenous chupacabra. Moth is cool to make ground creatures flyers, to block opponents flying, then they die and we get even more ETB. Pan+Moth+God eternal rhonas is disgusting. Rhonas says MAY so you can let him die and trigger moth+pan giving 4 double triggers making 1/1 to 16/16. I also run a couple cards */* = to number in GY. Have brawn in GY for trample and a Pathbreaker Ibex to get an overwhelming stampede everytime you cast him from GY or getting Multiple synergy triggers.
I have a Meren deck and a Karador deck and to make sure they aren't too similar i try and isolate strategies for each. Meren is my sac deck and karador is my heavy creature recursion deck. It can rebuild so well as long as GY doesn't get completely exiled. Luminous Broodmoth has been in and out of the deck for me. Issue is a lot of the big creatures I run have flying already to broodmoth doesn't do anything there. Panharmonicon is always a great card if you build around it. Theres a bunch of good white flicker and bounce creatures that can also help.
Where did you find that Karador proxy?! Killer deck techs!
Hey thanks you! I appreciate the feedback. There’s a guy on Instagram atomicashes he makes proxies and I’ve bought from him. Back when I did it, it was just from his pictures on Instagram but he may have grown to a point where there’s a website and such now. I love the proxy it’s more bad ass and less cartoon-y I have a cool meren of clan nel toth too. See her deck tech vid if you’re interested.
I've had Karador cost over 20 Mana with all the tax. Still play him for 3 lol. Playing the creatures is great, but his cost reduction made him my favorite commander since he came out. A long time! It's not until Prosper, Tome-Bound showed up that Karador became #2.
I know it’s incredible! He’s only ever 3 mana typically I love it. What do you like so much about the prosper deck? Does it play similar to Karador? I don’t like that you have to play the exiled card by next turn or you lose it. Maybe I’m not seeing the benefits as much.
@@commanderinsight Prosper is a total value engine. Some things get exiled forever but that's fine. The whole point is getting the impulse to get through your deck, continuously getting the card advantage and ramp from the treasure. Mine isn't a cEDH deck but can for sure do it. Though there are tons of synergies. As you exile through your deck, there's cards to deal damage as you cast from exile, make treasures, dealing damage from gaining the treasures, dealing damage sacrificing them to cast more spells from exile. Or unloading the treasure for a KO with like Marionette master. I had Xorn, Inspiring Statuary, and Academy Manufactor out and it was just nuts, I was making 2 treasure, 2 food, 2 clues off of each exile cast, which then I can tap them to cast more things from exile to exile more cards making 6 artifacts. On top of that cascading giving even more. My opponents were sweating. The extra treasures help to pay for commander tax, having nim death mantle is nice, even tapped out can sac 4 treasures to save Prosper. With a few other staples to protect him. Players can't remove exile like they can a graveyard so that is nice, so no need to try to protect that.
I play it in my Captain N'gathrod blue/black deck.
Love it!
I am not sure angel of serenity works like that, I checked gatherer and it doesn't sound the same. But I love this deck tech bro!
Are you referring to the death and ETB trigger shenanigans? here is a quick google search i did to try and find another explanation. This one involves dead eye navigator but the process flow is the same for etb and ltb triggers www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/776835-permanently-exile-creatures-with-angel-of-serenity