Some people walk, run or ride a horse for pleasure, everyone else use a car. Some people still go to libraries, fewer still use a thesaurus, almost everyone use internet. CGI didn't killed ""practical effects", CGI is prevalent in modern movies for it's flexibility and low cost. But Adobe did killed traditional printing, but it didn't happen overnight. I'm pretty sure, in every cases, more jobs were created in the end. What is art ? It is not a kid writing "naked woman" in a diffusion model and slapping an "Hentai" Lora on top. But someone with an intricate workflow, merging multiple styles and control on the output ? In my book, this is art, just with different tools. Similar to musicians working with samplers, beatbox and synthetiser (Daft Punk, Fatboy Slim .. ) . 25 years ago, i was in art school and Photoshop was frown upon, it was mainly known for (lewd) photomontage and the "lens flare" filter. It is a new tools and its not because anyone can use it that everyone will do masterpiece with it.
@NostalgicGamerRickOShay2 сағат бұрын
Why is the Amazon woman always unavailable? 😩 Why do game makers always figure that either men aren't interested in taller women or taller women aren't interested in men at all? 😩
@wofuljac3 сағат бұрын
Does the game react to your race? Like if you pick a human, anthros would mention or react differently?
@SexPositiveGaming3 сағат бұрын
Not as far as I can tell. At least not yet.
@ToskDragon3 сағат бұрын
The fact that Summertime Saga continues to earn so much money despite not having a proper update in YEARS is insane in my mind. I will never believe that they aren't purposely milking backers who have forgotten they have backed they project.
@SexPositiveGaming3 сағат бұрын
I tried to be fair when I talked about these creators, but I do understand that people are very passionate about this subject.
@ToskDragon3 сағат бұрын
@@SexPositiveGaming I understand that I might be harsh and that they stream every day, but it's just not enough in my mind. This is a creator that pulls in *checks notes* $50,000+ a month and is probably closer to 75-100K. For nothing, for years. That's insanity. People mock Star Citizen for raising so much money with no final game, but at least they have updates and are making tangible progress. Dark Cookie, in my mind, is of lower moral standing than even that. Rant over. Sorry.
@HarryCasanovadevilhunter4 сағат бұрын
My new girlfriend's art is so good that i thought it was some League of Legends artist..i didn't even realised it was AI..i am happy that it will take a lot less time to get game's update beacause it is AI because if it was real art it would take hell of a time to make art that good
@SexPositiveGaming3 сағат бұрын
You'll probably like my next podcast video then!
@Accolonian4 сағат бұрын
On one hand, some artists loose their income while others adapt. On the other hand, there is an explosion of creativity and expression from ordinary people. People who don't know how to hold a pen can now see their imagination come to life with a few keystrokes. I don't think you should undervalue the importance of the democratisation of creativity. It is a gateway opener in that regard.
@SexPositiveGaming3 сағат бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@samuentaga4 сағат бұрын
I'm very 50/50 on AI art. Aside from the issues raised in this video, I also think that people (especially billionaires and corporations) have MASSIVELY jumped the gun when it comes to using it. It's expensive, uses an incredible amount of processing power, and the end results don't stand up to scrutiny, even when they look decent at a first glance. This also applies to AI writing, which I have fiddled around with a bit as an aspiring writer, and found severely lacking. I do think we will eventually reach a good balance of quality to ethical use of the software, but we are nowhere near there yet, and the people pushing for it are either suckers, or using it for bad reasons.
@SexPositiveGaming3 сағат бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@Axxis2704 сағат бұрын
It's just a matter of time before writers, artists, and programmers will all be in less demand. I bet the big AAA studios right now are having the artists that work for them create loads of assets that eventually those companies will use to create their own databases from and put many of those artists out of a job.
@SexPositiveGaming3 сағат бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@Eidlones7 сағат бұрын
I don't like the idea of offloading a creative medium to an algorithm. Works of art aren't in museums and art galleries because they are "good art", but because of the humanity and skill that went into creating them. AI art turns drawing from a creative expression, into a concept. A cheaper, easily mass produced, concept. Once AI becomes the go to for business, there will be so many few artists in the world, and will be regulated to a hobby, limiting the amount of creativity and expression in the world. The potential benefits don't outweigh the potential losses. I will never knowingly support AI art.
@SexPositiveGaming3 сағат бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@Darke_Exelbirth8 сағат бұрын
Nice use of history to contextualize the current "ai" trend. But at the same time, the comparisons feel woefully inadequate to encompass how wide and impactful the "ai" stuff is and will be for the creative fields. Like, the ludites and scribes were specific fields that were replaced, but the "ai" stuff is affecting pretty much every single facet of the creative arts. From images, to text, to songs even. Hell, even programming, the "ai" is capable of writing the next better version of itself, at least in part. And just as an example of how good it's gotten for music, I put some lore from Pathfinder (the TTRPG) into a program, thinking it might spit out something goofy like those bad text or images that these programs usually do. But color me shocked, what I got was a solid, but generic song that if I had found online instead of getting it from a program, I would have thought it was an amateur artist. On the other hand, if people used these things to help get a spark of inspiration and used that spark to create something themselves, that'd be a cool, non-scummy thing to do with it all.
@SexPositiveGaming3 сағат бұрын
I think using some of the most impactful technological innovations of the past 3000 years as historical context is about the best I can do.
@captaintofu49269 сағат бұрын
I haven't recognized the games from 1:41, 3:06 and the one from 0:45, 2:25, 2:49 from your patreon games video. What's their names?
@SexPositiveGaming3 сағат бұрын
They are in the upcoming podcast video, but all the games and links are still listed on the Patreon post I linked to in the description.
@lifigrugru63969 сағат бұрын
My problem white AI is not having a new tool. but a hammer is not think and have not the abilty to it in centuries to. The maschine destroyer had right in one thing the worker lost ther work, let say personal loss who care's for the greater benefit... i have heard somewher this habit :D. the "worker" today got more inteligent and scool's in avarage; still "AI" set the limit higher for geting job. The tendence is scariing, not the actual stand. 70-100 year's ago philosofer have see in ther logical christalball today will noone work the maschines doing it, people only have to go after ther hobbi, noone is hungry, and we living in constant happynes... some little part got wrong :D
@SexPositiveGaming3 сағат бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@adriansue89559 сағат бұрын
Star Trek, the Holodeck we see people go onto the holodeck, and just ask the computer in plain english to build them a scene, and it happens that's where AI Generated Art is heading looks like a fun future to me
@SexPositiveGaming3 сағат бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@procrastinatordave9 сағат бұрын
The only time I could understand AI "artwork". Is if it's place holder art from like a 1-2 man dev team that doesn't have an artist. Even then I never play any game with AI art. It's very obvious it's AI and it takes me outta the experience. I also think if a dev uses AI art in their fully released game, they are lazy and a hack. The worst being if just a few background NPCs are AI and the main/side characters are normal drawings (*cough* Monster Girl 1,000 cough*), it makes the AI art stand out even more, and makes the art style of the game be inconsistent. Like really, you couldn't take the effort or pay an artist to draw a few NPCs?
@SexPositiveGaming9 сағат бұрын
I'll probably end up talking about this more in the next podcast/video.
@Masterho31011 сағат бұрын
I hate it. But it's inevitable that it's going to be everywhere. The robots do the work instantly and for free.
@SexPositiveGaming9 сағат бұрын
Sorry!
@timmygilbert410212 сағат бұрын
I'm 42 yo and i did art schoo, have been interested in computer art since forever. I think there is some inaccuracies in your analysis. Mainly the comparison with the Luddite, as the Luddite couldn't own machine and factory due to size and cost, creating an imbalance. Only the wealthy benefitted. Ai, in the other hands, can run on anyone's computer, it's more akin to the advent of personal computer and digital creation, which also had the exact same debate. The idea that tech bro own ai and will displace everyone is actually an idea that come from tech bro themselves. That's strategic talking point to shame anyone xho would want to compete with them, the notion is that they are gatekeeper (having a moat) and thus good PR is useless if you need to go through them. Generative image AI was actually well reveived publicly until stable diffusion happen, and in a promethean move, allowed anyone beyond the gate to access the potential on their own machine. That's when the manufacturing talking point started, as it remove the competitive advantage of AI companies. The source was an artist working for runway ML, a paid gen ai services, and it took off like wild fire because it was design to surf on current anxiety. There is something poetic to show grassroot production using ai by small studio, then talking about billionaire ai tech, as if these impoverished works were made by them billionaire. I also disagree with theft as an argument, it's not theft if it's given back to the community, like the free model used these grassroot production. If anything the problem isn't theft, it's consent. I'm old enough to have been through many cycle of the same fear, i used Photoshop 1.0 when i was a kid. It was forbidden to use digital paint in art school because it has no soul, because it's a machine. Same for cgi, same for drum box, same for sampling, same for asset flip and free game engine, same for internet, same for Manga! Flash animation, social media and KZread had similar discourse, KZread blaming is still ongoing to this day, have you heard it enable the far right and p'doph'le? Ultimately tools that democratize production and change the statu quo, always fan fear, it shift the power balance, but it's Netflix vs blockbuster, where Netflix is the Luddite who embrace the technology. It's akin to the invention of the watch. Industrialist used big clock to control employee, slowing it down or stoping it to steal hour from them. But when the personal watch wad invented, employee realized that there was discrepancy in time and fought back exploitation. AI is similar in that, small production couldn't compete with big production, which is not control by artist, but by manager and accountant trying to maximize profit. And thus we always have to beg for resources by only doing work that have more capital values than artistic values. That end up in an abusive equilibrium, in which you slave off, for a salary, insane hours, only to be disposed off on a whim. That makes artistic production self selective to marketable works and people willing to endure the abuse. The thing is, manager are middle men that aggregate resources, resources lift from an audience. The high cost of production give their aggregation the advantage by shouldering the front cost. If the front cost is lowered such that a single individual can produce Pixar level animation with a consumer level computer, then their advantage vanish, it's just the artist and their vision direct with the audience. Turns out management and accounting is also easy to automate with ai. We can look at emerging format basef on old disrupting format and tech to learn from. Recently the Amazing digital circus by glitch studio, a new unknown ip from a small studio, got massive views on KZread for their pilot episode, eclipsing in number gta6 and endgame trailers number combine, which are two massive mainstream ip with the benefits marketing campaign. Sure it's not gen ai, yet, it's just proof that grassroot organization from new productive technology lead to breakthrough. Before that rooster teeth's red vs blue or mounty oum's rwby where early indicator. Once gen ai pasd the ugly ducklings phases by being adopted by amateur using prompt straight from the tube, or early pro toying with weird exploration of the possibility. We might reach a new golden age of creation. Because the argument against ai is from accepting the abuse as part of the identity of artist. Because in reality, by begging to keep the job, we are asking people, who don't care about art, to cuddle us, that's a submissive, they only do so in such that we do what benefits them, not us. But it's our works that give them power over us. Skipping directly to the audience, by reducing the resources load, is making them obsolete. Gen AI don't replace the need of directing art. And time and time again, we have seen that accountant make phony director. They are Blockbuster. Assuming we don't let them create the standard and do it ourselves.
@SexPositiveGaming12 сағат бұрын
I looked to past "technological watershed moments", because these kinds of disruptions have historically "been disruptive" for centuries. I am not saying that this situation is identical to any one past occurrence. I am saying that the ramifications of this disruption will likely take a very long time to fully manifest.
@timmygilbert410212 сағат бұрын
@@SexPositiveGaming as a neurodivergent idiot, I apologize if I make you feel invalidated by my comment, I was trying to add and clarify thing ( notably the talking point has been fabricated for manipulation and pointing at the sources, then adding context). I'm sorry.
@SSRification12 сағат бұрын
That's a very nice copium question at the end. Yes, i also believe the shitheads who would rather stalk very popular artists, download their entire portfolio and use that to pretend they now have quality art on their games than hire a person to work with will use their "hard earned" money from their projects to hire and develop new talent. What a joke, do you actually believe that happening?
@SexPositiveGaming12 сағат бұрын
I believe that our survival as a society will depend on it. How we engineer that outcome is where I am uncertain.
@SSRification11 сағат бұрын
Is there a point in wondering about that outcome when you've already made up your mind to accept things as they are now? I don't really care about the survival of our society, that shit is broken already, but what i do care about is the survival and continue development of the smaller communities that just want to enjoy making their stuff. Yes, everyone can now enjoy sharing their lewd and sexy stuff with no barrier of entry, all the while pretending they needed this worthless tech to do so. Lately i don't even know what i'm looking at anymore.
@eliasraulschilling276113 сағат бұрын
I dont really like the derivative style of the AI art. I do not agains of using AI for placeholder purpose but still I think that AI games are in general worse quality
@SexPositiveGaming12 сағат бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@m341ehw13 сағат бұрын
answer will be eventually to tax the computers, robots and AI programs both tax and insurance..... and it should be based also on output. this would control its extent now and assist humans when jobs become hard later.
@SexPositiveGaming12 сағат бұрын
How will they afford those bunkers and smaller yachts to ferry them to and from their larger yachts?
@m341ehw12 сағат бұрын
@@SexPositiveGaming I am sure creative accounting will help them.... in the UK at least I can't think of a billionaire who does not call Monaco or a British tax free haven "home" lol
@everchangingworld1114 сағат бұрын
"MNG" is one of the top AI projects on patreon? Considering at this point its a glorified race play ntr/ nts. I'm kinda disappointed in that... Though I shouldn't be surprised considering 70+% of the ai art that I've seen being produced on mass is raceplay/ Cuck art. I guess my hopes of that fetish returning to the status of small niche is a pipedream at this point. Goodbye hot scenes hello humiliation, cock cages, and tattoos... Sigh...
@badboyz0814 сағат бұрын
i dont mind ai but i dont like copy game which use other work and ai art a lot
@SexPositiveGaming12 сағат бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@Syn_Slater14 сағат бұрын
I've seen and made ai images that are just okay. Because myself and the people making them dont know much about art at all. I've also seen some amazing AI generated images and when i look at the prompt, it's full of words i hardly know because it's been prompted by actual artists. Legitimate artists who use AI are way ahead of the curve compared to us average people and the artists who dogmaticly reject it. That art knowledge is still very valuable, you cant make a mind blowing AI image if you dont know the right instructions to give.
@grimsdungeonofcomics13 сағат бұрын
@@Syn_Slater indeed. I have been speechless by some.
@SexPositiveGaming12 сағат бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@FoolHearty-dl5hr14 сағат бұрын
I feel "generative images" will be used for 2 things as a toy for personal projects and as a nightmarish weapon for consumerism and production. I just see it as digital pollution. When so many artists have made countless free assets for people to use I'm sort of baffled if "AI" or "Machine Learning" in this form has any real purpose. I can't fathom the thought of hating ones own output or being so disinterested in the process of creating this stuff that having a machine do it seems appealing. Maybe it'll be valuable for someone somewhere but it's a monster that'll out live me so nothing I can do. Really I'm mad that I can't escape it. From the media I enjoy to Google images. Just makes my skin crawl. I recognize an artist the AI is trained on too in this video. I also find it disturbing that audiences are gravitating to it. If it has any similarity to mass clothing production that caused worse quality, unethical use of labor and resources, facilitated the decline of sewing and clothing alterations as a skill and forced even mid ranged quality or handmade clothing to become unaffordable for many. There just isn't a solution to this. I respect and appreciate the your thoughts and still talking about the games with generated assets despite the very divisive reaction it causes.
@SexPositiveGaming12 сағат бұрын
Let's see how well the next podcast/video goes over.
@morpheus_uat14 сағат бұрын
is a moral choice, i dont feel comfortable buying products made by or with the help of AI i know i cant make the change, and eventually AI will flood the market at some point (if not already with all the cashgrab games on steam), but at least im kinda comfortable with my own choice... so far
@SexPositiveGaming12 сағат бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@CerbearusBane15 сағат бұрын
AI art, AI translation, etc are all super off-putting, even putting aside that AI art is legit stealing art and killing jobs.
@SexPositiveGaming12 сағат бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@Grumpyoldman7115 сағат бұрын
Oh my, I heard Annie swear. Can't recall if I heard her say a NSFW word before.
@SexPositiveGaming12 сағат бұрын
I do in the podcasts too. I try to limit it, because KZread hates me enough as is.
@TheSugarRay15 сағат бұрын
Adult games have a different relationship with monetization than other mediums. Patreon is one aspect but then there is the levels of piracy. There are some devs for whom the big pirate site is their distribution and not just because they were kicked off of other platforms. The other day, a dev asked if it was okay for them to upload a second game--to the pirate site. Like they thought being on the pirate site was a favor or something. It's mind-blowing for me.
@SexPositiveGaming12 сағат бұрын
It is a difficult space to make a living in.
@georgebatshon441715 сағат бұрын
Leites or however they’re spelled is insane jump but it made sense I think lol
@SexPositiveGaming12 сағат бұрын
Not sure what that is, sorry!
@georgebatshon441710 сағат бұрын
@@SexPositiveGaming I was trying to spell the example you made in your video 😅 guessing I was pretty far off
@zombee627.8315 сағат бұрын
Since AI “art” has people feeling different ways about it, let’s take it in a different direction. KZread has billions of hours of content on it and algorithms to what works well. It’s also owned by Google, the company with the most knowledge in the world about trends. Now Google decides that they don’t want to pay KZreadrs any more, so they take all of your videos without your consent to train their AI on it. Your voice, your manner of speech, your topics. Then they start spitting out thousands or videos on current topics in the same amount of time it takes you to create a script let alone edit/record. Sure, the videos suck at first, but they get better over time because the models learn patterns on what is successful and what is not and in a few years, KZreadrs are out of work with videos using their voice to cut out the artist who created the video. Automation is a good thing and should be used to avoid redundant or dangerous work - dipping into art (Drawings, Videos, Movies) however is where I am very against. Training models based on non-consensual data gathering is theft and needs to be protected.
@SexPositiveGaming12 сағат бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@WoollyMittens15 сағат бұрын
AI assets will not speed up legitimate development as much as it will increase the production of shovelware.
@SexPositiveGaming12 сағат бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@grimsdungeonofcomics15 сағат бұрын
I'll definitely support creators that use AI and I know a few that really enjoy it in their projects. I've had generations come out better than what I commissioned artists to draw them and some really got upset about that. Why am I gonna pay $100 for a piece that AI not only did better, but gave me far more varieties? I've worked with commission artists before. They didn't give me the quality of art that I can generate now. And I paid way too much for that. Not only that, but I'm switching to more realistic images that would require actors and sets. We aren't talking $100-$200, we're talking hundreds of thousands to do this in real life. Also, as I've argued before - I need thumbnails ASAP and don't have time to wait on a commission artist. AI does it in seconds. Gives me exactly what I need for the thumbnail. No wait time, no paying exorbitant amounts of money fir every thumbnail - AI is a godsend for me. Gives me exactly what I want, how I want, when I want and sometimes even creates happy accidents. "Not what I was looking for, but that's cool too" is a definite bonus. AI is not going away and people are really starting to get radical over anti-AI like it will do any good. Just as much as the anti-DEI people. If something makes money, it will continue. Regardless if you personally boycott it or not.
@SexPositiveGaming12 сағат бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@albamuth16 сағат бұрын
Great topic, thanks for covering this, and I agree with your commentary. Just some points I would like to add: - Good art comes from good artists no matter what tools are used. Bad artists make bad AI art. Good Artists can use StableDiffusion or even just Photoshop (which as plenty of image-gen tools now) or other programs to create good art. I've seen plenty of games that make use of stock DAZ assets in artless, uninteresting ways. Going back to the clothing analogy, good quality designer clothing can still be made by machines, it just takes a textile maker + clothing maker + designer who knows how to use all the materials and technology correctly together to make a good product. - Some professional Graphic Designers and Animators I know are already learning how to use image-gen software to integrate into their workflows. When you see a cool really good-looking video that was "made with AI", chances are the maker spent 90% of their time in Blender or Photoshop and only using some AI stuff to enhance or bring together things. I'm learning Stable Diffusion myself because I can use it for helping to create concept art / previsualization (for internal use at my work, not for publication or sale as an original asset). - The time it takes to make something original-looking and high-quality that fits in a story in a consistent way can be just as time-consuming to do with image generation as it does without it. The difference is, image-generation enables people who aren't so great at certain skills (like digital painting) or without tons of resources to do stuff. However, the time-sink to achieve something artistic is still high. I think of all the html games that just used ripped-off porn clips as an example of low effort = low quality. - The copyright issue is the trickiest problem, because Intellectual Property law is still catching up to generative AI. I know Getty has an image generation tool that is commercially safe (they compensate the artists of the training data, they claim www.gettyimages.com/ai/generation/about ) but since a judge ruled that no AI-generated content is NOT copyright-able I foresee a lot of legal problems ahead. For example, if I created a VN in the style of Boris Vallejo and sold it on Steam, Boris Vallejo can probably sue me, right? Or, if I give the game away for free (and just ask for donations through my Patreon), would that get around the copyright issue? Do the Fair Use exceptions to copyright law for parodies include artistic styles?
@SexPositiveGaming12 сағат бұрын
There is way more to this than I touched on, but I wanted to avoid too much specificity and focus on the historical long term precedent.
@yummines16 сағат бұрын
Personally, I think the main issue with AI is the art theft. A lot of artists and developers already don't do a lot of the work that goes into their projects. Backgrounds are drawn by assistants, objects are assets purchased from a store, brushes that create patterns, etc. So if people trained AI on their own art then it can be a tool for development rather than a way to replace artists. Unfortunately I don't really see any kind of law restricting that use popping up anytime soon, and copyright law already is its own can of worms.
@SexPositiveGaming12 сағат бұрын
Yar!
@aylbdrmadison105116 сағат бұрын
I love all of your videos, but this one is my favorite! ❤🌍🌎🌏🌐
@SexPositiveGaming12 сағат бұрын
Thanks!
@SystemZ3RO16 сағат бұрын
AI has it's uses when done right. Best example I can recall is the FFVII remake, where they used AI to animate the lip sync for a selected language for the each character whenever they spoke, either during a cutscene or in game. This saved the development team not just money but time, as having even having a dedicated team just for that task would of added more months of development and QAing. They still had humans review the animations, and all of their data was pulled from either previous developed titles from in house or purchased 3rd party animations. Overall, it made the work easier without replacing staff, and lightened the workload for ones already on the project. This I feel is the best example of how using AI can help game development.
@SexPositiveGaming12 сағат бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@korbeskorner16 сағат бұрын
AI art is a disgrace & insult to REAL artists! complete LAZINESS! & if u can't draw paint ect then don't ruin it for real artists. Progress? to what? human replacement? robot commie futute of soulless shit? barf
@DraconicWealth16 сағат бұрын
As with so many other things, the problem with both AI art, and even automated textile factories, isn't the technology... it's rampant unchecked Capitalism. To be clear: this includes both businesses and also the impatient or undiscerning consumers who are willing to consume despite the exploitation or lowered quality or etc. AI art also serves a nice side dish of Climate Change... generative AI uses a lot of power, and sometimes that power comes from coal. Not terribly responsible, incredibly short-sighted, but see above: unchecked Capitalism. AI art is also showing an increasingly vertical family tree, learning how to Art from other AI that didn't quite get it right... and so on and so forth. So the quality of AI art is arguably getting WORSE over time, rather than better. Moving a little from images to writing and other things, AI may have already killed people. I'm not talking about the google search AI that returns wild and crazy suggestions, like jumping off a bridge to treat Depression (although that's not good either!), but rather specifically about AI to identify mushrooms. Mycologists are already facepalming. Don't mess with mushrooms unless you're a trained expert... and even then, maybe think twice. We don't know if the person died or not... I haven't seen an update. There is also of course the matter that most people in life strive to labour less, to not spend their lives in toil, instead wishing that they could create art of all varieties... so why the hell are we making robots do the art, instead of to do the labour. (The answer is classism.... and also Capitalism again. There might be some racism tossed in there too, I dunno.) Whether you're talking about images or video or writing, or even outside the art sphere entirely, this AI craze is not exactly what I'd call 'progress'... but you're absolutely correct about one thing: though the craze will cool, AI is almost certainly here to stay.
@SexPositiveGaming12 сағат бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@Edelgeist16 сағат бұрын
Good analysis, comrade SPG! :) The problem is within the society, not the tools. In a normal society, if a machine is made that doubles the productivity in production then workers just work half the time they did before for the same pay. In our sick society it means half the workers are fired and another half is forced to work more for less pay under the threat of being fired too and are treated like slaves by their bosses and managers. Artists cannot meaningfully challenge the system as they're the core part of it. That's why they cry about "true human-made art!"(they draw chicks with dicks) and "muh intellectual property!"(which corpos wipe their asses with, "rules for thee but not for me"). They're artisans/petite bourgeoise, who lucked out a decade ago and now can make a living out of their hobby as nerdy kids grew up and got some money to spend. How fast they forgot that their whole industry is a temporal fluke, and now the big corpos come in and take over just like they always do in Capitalism. What they need is not individual petty bourgeoise whining on twitter but an organized protracted work against these corpos, agitation of corporate artists(they can be treated as scabs) and consumers to your side to do strikes and boycotts etc
@SexPositiveGaming12 сағат бұрын
Thanks for sharing, even if I'm not sure I qualify as a comrade.
@Edelgeist3 сағат бұрын
@@SexPositiveGaming "If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine." Che Guevara =)
@Azurie-e9s16 сағат бұрын
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@zahreel310316 сағат бұрын
I'm all for AIs, from art to writing to whatever else. It's the future. AI will unlock incredible new heights for gaming and most other industries. I understand people who are artists or even programmers would oppose the use of AIs, but I think AI can be a great tool to enhance their work rather than substitute it.
@SexPositiveGaming16 сағат бұрын
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@rssuraj372917 сағат бұрын
I was hoping to see what a legend but this list is good!!
@SexPositiveGaming16 сағат бұрын
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@robjohnson309517 сағат бұрын
AI is currently heavily subsidized by its stock growth, much like Google and Amazon in their younger days, it's a loss leader that's gathering data on its users and getting its users addicted to it. Eventually in a decade or two, like Google and Amazon, it'll need to make money and jack up the prices on its future monopoly AI product that everyone has to use. At least unlike Google and Amazon, it probably won't poison its search results with ads... I hope?
@SexPositiveGaming16 сағат бұрын
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@robjohnson309515 сағат бұрын
I still have hope, I prefer to think of future AI sentients as our descendants rather than, well, Skynet or the Matrix
@justinrazon720017 сағат бұрын
I have these games filtered for me. As so far nothing good has come out of games that use AI art. All of them are low quality cash grabs that are just put to together real quick because the ease of use of ripping AI art and slapping it into a game takes almost no effort but the sloppiness of these kinds of games severely shows. But by all means, if you know an actual good game that uses AI art that's at least as good as let's say... a game that's just average... Agent17. Then I might look at it. Although I doubt they'll never be beyond the average tier and will probably never reach the quality as something like Eternum, Projekt Passion or something that's more popular, Being a DIK.
@SexPositiveGaming16 сағат бұрын
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@grimsdungeonofcomics13 сағат бұрын
@@justinrazon7200 That's preposterous. Just wait a few years and you'll see how wrong you are. Heck, Eternum was made with assets the developer doesn't even have the legal rights to. I love the game, but let's not beat around the bush.
@justinrazon720011 сағат бұрын
@@grimsdungeonofcomics I'm not talking about legal rights and ownership. That doesn't affect me as a consumer of the media. AI art based games are bad. That's it. You think people care that Eternum is made using Illusion game assets? No. It's a good well crafted game that's the only reason why it has good ratings. Plenty of illusion based games aren't as good because what you use does not matter, it's how you use it. And right now AI art is simply used for cash grab low quality games. Wait a few years sure maybe it gets better. But that statement literally proves AI art games are trash right now. Maybe 10 more years in the oven.
@grimsdungeonofcomics11 сағат бұрын
@@justinrazon7200 Illusion sure does. That's why Mega got hit because people were transferring assets with it. Illusion cares because 1) their games have been crap since HS/KK and they know it, 2) they would love to make the money that the dev is making from Eternum using their software. That's theft. Using someone's engine illegally to make a product that you are being grey market paid for is theft. Plain and simple. I still love the game and that, but I have gotten into fights with HS/KK fans over it, saying he needs to make his own art instead of using stolen assets - which yes, they are in Illusion's mindset. You folks get all upset about AI, but it is perfectly fine to steal another devs assets and make a game for profit that the company has not licensed for that purpose.
@justinrazon720010 сағат бұрын
@@grimsdungeonofcomics You're still missing my point. I don't get upset about AI art because it's stolen. Again I don't really care. All that matters to me is if it's good or not. And it's not. I don't care what illusion thinks, that's their problem. And the video is about AI art so that's what I'm talking about. None of what you said does not make this untrue. "Wait a few years" or "this or that is stolen" and all that crap. None of that matters. AI art is bad. Maybe comment again in 10 years once it's good.
@mrman99117 сағат бұрын
Also, The explination of the luddites is some what capitalist propaganda. They weren't against automation, they were against only those at the top benefitting from said automation. If the textile owners had said "hey, cool, we can automate stuff and our staff can make the same money for less labour" or "with this automation, we can make more profit in the same time and the people can earn more money" everyone would have been cool.
@SexPositiveGaming17 сағат бұрын
I said, "Essentially people didn’t want to lose their jobs to machines, see wages decreased, and were concerned about the drop in quality that machine made textiles had versus professionals making hand made ones."
@Azurie-e9s17 сағат бұрын
let us all bang the AI in harmony🤗
@mrman99117 сағат бұрын
ai content is "super cheap" to produce, and it shows. I'm yet to see it used in any decent kind of way and it just seems like the ones making money from it are the grifters and those selling the ai services.
@SexPositiveGaming17 сағат бұрын
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@shayoko617 сағат бұрын
Everybody copies everything nowadays nothing is really original anymore. So I'm not as understanding of the argument that it just takes pre-existing art. Because that's what real people do as well. It's hard to impossible to create new ideas when we have so much history of doing things to make something that's actually never been done before. Newer games having prettier Graphics than older ones doesn't change this, it's still the same thing with a different look. And a person could probably set the AI up to use their own artwork only which could be useful for making quicker art for horror games in particular. So I will not say that there's no circumstance where it could be a useful tool. That is just being disingenuous and hating change
@SexPositiveGaming17 сағат бұрын
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@randomrants14817 сағат бұрын
I don't mind people tinker around generated art for fun because when these software came out I did in fact tinker with it since I was bored. I got bored with it and I never claim the generated art as my because it's like going to someone's art account and post their art somewhere else as yours. I draw my own art on paper, I am not an excellent artist, but I would never be bored of drawing something that I want to create for myself and people. AI is not art is just a tool to fuck around that's is how see it and I stop fuck around with it because I like to create, not to watch. People are going to lose their jobs I think it's time to indie and remind that art is special I love different art style in games that what I buy on steam. I love actual art!
@SexPositiveGaming17 сағат бұрын
I love dinosaurs!
@randomrants14813 сағат бұрын
@@SexPositiveGaming uh
@randomrants1487 сағат бұрын
@@SexPositiveGaming Hey, can you find the darkest hentai games?
@SpiralingOut2317 сағат бұрын
Good video on a controversial topic. AI image/video generation is improving by leaps and bounds every month, I would expect good animations created by AI within a year. And I also have used the printing press as a comparison. I'm a programmer, I've already accepted that my job will most likely go to AI within 20 years. We already have Microsoft CoPilot writing some of the code for us - but it's not quite smart enough yet to architecture large programs that interact with other complex programs. It will get there though. I'm curious to see what will happen from that point - I'm thinking not Wall-E, but closer to Terminator.
@SexPositiveGaming16 сағат бұрын
Can I get a non-dystopic future please?
@grimsdungeonofcomics16 сағат бұрын
Terminator would be 100 years off. It is not that advanced yet.
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Better than Summertime I guess
Some people walk, run or ride a horse for pleasure, everyone else use a car. Some people still go to libraries, fewer still use a thesaurus, almost everyone use internet. CGI didn't killed ""practical effects", CGI is prevalent in modern movies for it's flexibility and low cost. But Adobe did killed traditional printing, but it didn't happen overnight. I'm pretty sure, in every cases, more jobs were created in the end. What is art ? It is not a kid writing "naked woman" in a diffusion model and slapping an "Hentai" Lora on top. But someone with an intricate workflow, merging multiple styles and control on the output ? In my book, this is art, just with different tools. Similar to musicians working with samplers, beatbox and synthetiser (Daft Punk, Fatboy Slim .. ) . 25 years ago, i was in art school and Photoshop was frown upon, it was mainly known for (lewd) photomontage and the "lens flare" filter. It is a new tools and its not because anyone can use it that everyone will do masterpiece with it.
Why is the Amazon woman always unavailable? 😩 Why do game makers always figure that either men aren't interested in taller women or taller women aren't interested in men at all? 😩
Does the game react to your race? Like if you pick a human, anthros would mention or react differently?
Not as far as I can tell. At least not yet.
The fact that Summertime Saga continues to earn so much money despite not having a proper update in YEARS is insane in my mind. I will never believe that they aren't purposely milking backers who have forgotten they have backed they project.
I tried to be fair when I talked about these creators, but I do understand that people are very passionate about this subject.
@@SexPositiveGaming I understand that I might be harsh and that they stream every day, but it's just not enough in my mind. This is a creator that pulls in *checks notes* $50,000+ a month and is probably closer to 75-100K. For nothing, for years. That's insanity. People mock Star Citizen for raising so much money with no final game, but at least they have updates and are making tangible progress. Dark Cookie, in my mind, is of lower moral standing than even that. Rant over. Sorry.
My new girlfriend's art is so good that i thought it was some League of Legends artist..i didn't even realised it was AI..i am happy that it will take a lot less time to get game's update beacause it is AI because if it was real art it would take hell of a time to make art that good
You'll probably like my next podcast video then!
On one hand, some artists loose their income while others adapt. On the other hand, there is an explosion of creativity and expression from ordinary people. People who don't know how to hold a pen can now see their imagination come to life with a few keystrokes. I don't think you should undervalue the importance of the democratisation of creativity. It is a gateway opener in that regard.
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I'm very 50/50 on AI art. Aside from the issues raised in this video, I also think that people (especially billionaires and corporations) have MASSIVELY jumped the gun when it comes to using it. It's expensive, uses an incredible amount of processing power, and the end results don't stand up to scrutiny, even when they look decent at a first glance. This also applies to AI writing, which I have fiddled around with a bit as an aspiring writer, and found severely lacking. I do think we will eventually reach a good balance of quality to ethical use of the software, but we are nowhere near there yet, and the people pushing for it are either suckers, or using it for bad reasons.
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It's just a matter of time before writers, artists, and programmers will all be in less demand. I bet the big AAA studios right now are having the artists that work for them create loads of assets that eventually those companies will use to create their own databases from and put many of those artists out of a job.
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I don't like the idea of offloading a creative medium to an algorithm. Works of art aren't in museums and art galleries because they are "good art", but because of the humanity and skill that went into creating them. AI art turns drawing from a creative expression, into a concept. A cheaper, easily mass produced, concept. Once AI becomes the go to for business, there will be so many few artists in the world, and will be regulated to a hobby, limiting the amount of creativity and expression in the world. The potential benefits don't outweigh the potential losses. I will never knowingly support AI art.
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Nice use of history to contextualize the current "ai" trend. But at the same time, the comparisons feel woefully inadequate to encompass how wide and impactful the "ai" stuff is and will be for the creative fields. Like, the ludites and scribes were specific fields that were replaced, but the "ai" stuff is affecting pretty much every single facet of the creative arts. From images, to text, to songs even. Hell, even programming, the "ai" is capable of writing the next better version of itself, at least in part. And just as an example of how good it's gotten for music, I put some lore from Pathfinder (the TTRPG) into a program, thinking it might spit out something goofy like those bad text or images that these programs usually do. But color me shocked, what I got was a solid, but generic song that if I had found online instead of getting it from a program, I would have thought it was an amateur artist. On the other hand, if people used these things to help get a spark of inspiration and used that spark to create something themselves, that'd be a cool, non-scummy thing to do with it all.
I think using some of the most impactful technological innovations of the past 3000 years as historical context is about the best I can do.
I haven't recognized the games from 1:41, 3:06 and the one from 0:45, 2:25, 2:49 from your patreon games video. What's their names?
They are in the upcoming podcast video, but all the games and links are still listed on the Patreon post I linked to in the description.
My problem white AI is not having a new tool. but a hammer is not think and have not the abilty to it in centuries to. The maschine destroyer had right in one thing the worker lost ther work, let say personal loss who care's for the greater benefit... i have heard somewher this habit :D. the "worker" today got more inteligent and scool's in avarage; still "AI" set the limit higher for geting job. The tendence is scariing, not the actual stand. 70-100 year's ago philosofer have see in ther logical christalball today will noone work the maschines doing it, people only have to go after ther hobbi, noone is hungry, and we living in constant happynes... some little part got wrong :D
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Star Trek, the Holodeck we see people go onto the holodeck, and just ask the computer in plain english to build them a scene, and it happens that's where AI Generated Art is heading looks like a fun future to me
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The only time I could understand AI "artwork". Is if it's place holder art from like a 1-2 man dev team that doesn't have an artist. Even then I never play any game with AI art. It's very obvious it's AI and it takes me outta the experience. I also think if a dev uses AI art in their fully released game, they are lazy and a hack. The worst being if just a few background NPCs are AI and the main/side characters are normal drawings (*cough* Monster Girl 1,000 cough*), it makes the AI art stand out even more, and makes the art style of the game be inconsistent. Like really, you couldn't take the effort or pay an artist to draw a few NPCs?
I'll probably end up talking about this more in the next podcast/video.
I hate it. But it's inevitable that it's going to be everywhere. The robots do the work instantly and for free.
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I'm 42 yo and i did art schoo, have been interested in computer art since forever. I think there is some inaccuracies in your analysis. Mainly the comparison with the Luddite, as the Luddite couldn't own machine and factory due to size and cost, creating an imbalance. Only the wealthy benefitted. Ai, in the other hands, can run on anyone's computer, it's more akin to the advent of personal computer and digital creation, which also had the exact same debate. The idea that tech bro own ai and will displace everyone is actually an idea that come from tech bro themselves. That's strategic talking point to shame anyone xho would want to compete with them, the notion is that they are gatekeeper (having a moat) and thus good PR is useless if you need to go through them. Generative image AI was actually well reveived publicly until stable diffusion happen, and in a promethean move, allowed anyone beyond the gate to access the potential on their own machine. That's when the manufacturing talking point started, as it remove the competitive advantage of AI companies. The source was an artist working for runway ML, a paid gen ai services, and it took off like wild fire because it was design to surf on current anxiety. There is something poetic to show grassroot production using ai by small studio, then talking about billionaire ai tech, as if these impoverished works were made by them billionaire. I also disagree with theft as an argument, it's not theft if it's given back to the community, like the free model used these grassroot production. If anything the problem isn't theft, it's consent. I'm old enough to have been through many cycle of the same fear, i used Photoshop 1.0 when i was a kid. It was forbidden to use digital paint in art school because it has no soul, because it's a machine. Same for cgi, same for drum box, same for sampling, same for asset flip and free game engine, same for internet, same for Manga! Flash animation, social media and KZread had similar discourse, KZread blaming is still ongoing to this day, have you heard it enable the far right and p'doph'le? Ultimately tools that democratize production and change the statu quo, always fan fear, it shift the power balance, but it's Netflix vs blockbuster, where Netflix is the Luddite who embrace the technology. It's akin to the invention of the watch. Industrialist used big clock to control employee, slowing it down or stoping it to steal hour from them. But when the personal watch wad invented, employee realized that there was discrepancy in time and fought back exploitation. AI is similar in that, small production couldn't compete with big production, which is not control by artist, but by manager and accountant trying to maximize profit. And thus we always have to beg for resources by only doing work that have more capital values than artistic values. That end up in an abusive equilibrium, in which you slave off, for a salary, insane hours, only to be disposed off on a whim. That makes artistic production self selective to marketable works and people willing to endure the abuse. The thing is, manager are middle men that aggregate resources, resources lift from an audience. The high cost of production give their aggregation the advantage by shouldering the front cost. If the front cost is lowered such that a single individual can produce Pixar level animation with a consumer level computer, then their advantage vanish, it's just the artist and their vision direct with the audience. Turns out management and accounting is also easy to automate with ai. We can look at emerging format basef on old disrupting format and tech to learn from. Recently the Amazing digital circus by glitch studio, a new unknown ip from a small studio, got massive views on KZread for their pilot episode, eclipsing in number gta6 and endgame trailers number combine, which are two massive mainstream ip with the benefits marketing campaign. Sure it's not gen ai, yet, it's just proof that grassroot organization from new productive technology lead to breakthrough. Before that rooster teeth's red vs blue or mounty oum's rwby where early indicator. Once gen ai pasd the ugly ducklings phases by being adopted by amateur using prompt straight from the tube, or early pro toying with weird exploration of the possibility. We might reach a new golden age of creation. Because the argument against ai is from accepting the abuse as part of the identity of artist. Because in reality, by begging to keep the job, we are asking people, who don't care about art, to cuddle us, that's a submissive, they only do so in such that we do what benefits them, not us. But it's our works that give them power over us. Skipping directly to the audience, by reducing the resources load, is making them obsolete. Gen AI don't replace the need of directing art. And time and time again, we have seen that accountant make phony director. They are Blockbuster. Assuming we don't let them create the standard and do it ourselves.
I looked to past "technological watershed moments", because these kinds of disruptions have historically "been disruptive" for centuries. I am not saying that this situation is identical to any one past occurrence. I am saying that the ramifications of this disruption will likely take a very long time to fully manifest.
@@SexPositiveGaming as a neurodivergent idiot, I apologize if I make you feel invalidated by my comment, I was trying to add and clarify thing ( notably the talking point has been fabricated for manipulation and pointing at the sources, then adding context). I'm sorry.
That's a very nice copium question at the end. Yes, i also believe the shitheads who would rather stalk very popular artists, download their entire portfolio and use that to pretend they now have quality art on their games than hire a person to work with will use their "hard earned" money from their projects to hire and develop new talent. What a joke, do you actually believe that happening?
I believe that our survival as a society will depend on it. How we engineer that outcome is where I am uncertain.
Is there a point in wondering about that outcome when you've already made up your mind to accept things as they are now? I don't really care about the survival of our society, that shit is broken already, but what i do care about is the survival and continue development of the smaller communities that just want to enjoy making their stuff. Yes, everyone can now enjoy sharing their lewd and sexy stuff with no barrier of entry, all the while pretending they needed this worthless tech to do so. Lately i don't even know what i'm looking at anymore.
I dont really like the derivative style of the AI art. I do not agains of using AI for placeholder purpose but still I think that AI games are in general worse quality
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answer will be eventually to tax the computers, robots and AI programs both tax and insurance..... and it should be based also on output. this would control its extent now and assist humans when jobs become hard later.
How will they afford those bunkers and smaller yachts to ferry them to and from their larger yachts?
@@SexPositiveGaming I am sure creative accounting will help them.... in the UK at least I can't think of a billionaire who does not call Monaco or a British tax free haven "home" lol
"MNG" is one of the top AI projects on patreon? Considering at this point its a glorified race play ntr/ nts. I'm kinda disappointed in that... Though I shouldn't be surprised considering 70+% of the ai art that I've seen being produced on mass is raceplay/ Cuck art. I guess my hopes of that fetish returning to the status of small niche is a pipedream at this point. Goodbye hot scenes hello humiliation, cock cages, and tattoos... Sigh...
i dont mind ai but i dont like copy game which use other work and ai art a lot
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I've seen and made ai images that are just okay. Because myself and the people making them dont know much about art at all. I've also seen some amazing AI generated images and when i look at the prompt, it's full of words i hardly know because it's been prompted by actual artists. Legitimate artists who use AI are way ahead of the curve compared to us average people and the artists who dogmaticly reject it. That art knowledge is still very valuable, you cant make a mind blowing AI image if you dont know the right instructions to give.
@@Syn_Slater indeed. I have been speechless by some.
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I feel "generative images" will be used for 2 things as a toy for personal projects and as a nightmarish weapon for consumerism and production. I just see it as digital pollution. When so many artists have made countless free assets for people to use I'm sort of baffled if "AI" or "Machine Learning" in this form has any real purpose. I can't fathom the thought of hating ones own output or being so disinterested in the process of creating this stuff that having a machine do it seems appealing. Maybe it'll be valuable for someone somewhere but it's a monster that'll out live me so nothing I can do. Really I'm mad that I can't escape it. From the media I enjoy to Google images. Just makes my skin crawl. I recognize an artist the AI is trained on too in this video. I also find it disturbing that audiences are gravitating to it. If it has any similarity to mass clothing production that caused worse quality, unethical use of labor and resources, facilitated the decline of sewing and clothing alterations as a skill and forced even mid ranged quality or handmade clothing to become unaffordable for many. There just isn't a solution to this. I respect and appreciate the your thoughts and still talking about the games with generated assets despite the very divisive reaction it causes.
Let's see how well the next podcast/video goes over.
is a moral choice, i dont feel comfortable buying products made by or with the help of AI i know i cant make the change, and eventually AI will flood the market at some point (if not already with all the cashgrab games on steam), but at least im kinda comfortable with my own choice... so far
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AI art, AI translation, etc are all super off-putting, even putting aside that AI art is legit stealing art and killing jobs.
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Oh my, I heard Annie swear. Can't recall if I heard her say a NSFW word before.
I do in the podcasts too. I try to limit it, because KZread hates me enough as is.
Adult games have a different relationship with monetization than other mediums. Patreon is one aspect but then there is the levels of piracy. There are some devs for whom the big pirate site is their distribution and not just because they were kicked off of other platforms. The other day, a dev asked if it was okay for them to upload a second game--to the pirate site. Like they thought being on the pirate site was a favor or something. It's mind-blowing for me.
It is a difficult space to make a living in.
Leites or however they’re spelled is insane jump but it made sense I think lol
Not sure what that is, sorry!
@@SexPositiveGaming I was trying to spell the example you made in your video 😅 guessing I was pretty far off
Since AI “art” has people feeling different ways about it, let’s take it in a different direction. KZread has billions of hours of content on it and algorithms to what works well. It’s also owned by Google, the company with the most knowledge in the world about trends. Now Google decides that they don’t want to pay KZreadrs any more, so they take all of your videos without your consent to train their AI on it. Your voice, your manner of speech, your topics. Then they start spitting out thousands or videos on current topics in the same amount of time it takes you to create a script let alone edit/record. Sure, the videos suck at first, but they get better over time because the models learn patterns on what is successful and what is not and in a few years, KZreadrs are out of work with videos using their voice to cut out the artist who created the video. Automation is a good thing and should be used to avoid redundant or dangerous work - dipping into art (Drawings, Videos, Movies) however is where I am very against. Training models based on non-consensual data gathering is theft and needs to be protected.
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AI assets will not speed up legitimate development as much as it will increase the production of shovelware.
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I'll definitely support creators that use AI and I know a few that really enjoy it in their projects. I've had generations come out better than what I commissioned artists to draw them and some really got upset about that. Why am I gonna pay $100 for a piece that AI not only did better, but gave me far more varieties? I've worked with commission artists before. They didn't give me the quality of art that I can generate now. And I paid way too much for that. Not only that, but I'm switching to more realistic images that would require actors and sets. We aren't talking $100-$200, we're talking hundreds of thousands to do this in real life. Also, as I've argued before - I need thumbnails ASAP and don't have time to wait on a commission artist. AI does it in seconds. Gives me exactly what I need for the thumbnail. No wait time, no paying exorbitant amounts of money fir every thumbnail - AI is a godsend for me. Gives me exactly what I want, how I want, when I want and sometimes even creates happy accidents. "Not what I was looking for, but that's cool too" is a definite bonus. AI is not going away and people are really starting to get radical over anti-AI like it will do any good. Just as much as the anti-DEI people. If something makes money, it will continue. Regardless if you personally boycott it or not.
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Great topic, thanks for covering this, and I agree with your commentary. Just some points I would like to add: - Good art comes from good artists no matter what tools are used. Bad artists make bad AI art. Good Artists can use StableDiffusion or even just Photoshop (which as plenty of image-gen tools now) or other programs to create good art. I've seen plenty of games that make use of stock DAZ assets in artless, uninteresting ways. Going back to the clothing analogy, good quality designer clothing can still be made by machines, it just takes a textile maker + clothing maker + designer who knows how to use all the materials and technology correctly together to make a good product. - Some professional Graphic Designers and Animators I know are already learning how to use image-gen software to integrate into their workflows. When you see a cool really good-looking video that was "made with AI", chances are the maker spent 90% of their time in Blender or Photoshop and only using some AI stuff to enhance or bring together things. I'm learning Stable Diffusion myself because I can use it for helping to create concept art / previsualization (for internal use at my work, not for publication or sale as an original asset). - The time it takes to make something original-looking and high-quality that fits in a story in a consistent way can be just as time-consuming to do with image generation as it does without it. The difference is, image-generation enables people who aren't so great at certain skills (like digital painting) or without tons of resources to do stuff. However, the time-sink to achieve something artistic is still high. I think of all the html games that just used ripped-off porn clips as an example of low effort = low quality. - The copyright issue is the trickiest problem, because Intellectual Property law is still catching up to generative AI. I know Getty has an image generation tool that is commercially safe (they compensate the artists of the training data, they claim www.gettyimages.com/ai/generation/about ) but since a judge ruled that no AI-generated content is NOT copyright-able I foresee a lot of legal problems ahead. For example, if I created a VN in the style of Boris Vallejo and sold it on Steam, Boris Vallejo can probably sue me, right? Or, if I give the game away for free (and just ask for donations through my Patreon), would that get around the copyright issue? Do the Fair Use exceptions to copyright law for parodies include artistic styles?
There is way more to this than I touched on, but I wanted to avoid too much specificity and focus on the historical long term precedent.
Personally, I think the main issue with AI is the art theft. A lot of artists and developers already don't do a lot of the work that goes into their projects. Backgrounds are drawn by assistants, objects are assets purchased from a store, brushes that create patterns, etc. So if people trained AI on their own art then it can be a tool for development rather than a way to replace artists. Unfortunately I don't really see any kind of law restricting that use popping up anytime soon, and copyright law already is its own can of worms.
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I love all of your videos, but this one is my favorite! ❤🌍🌎🌏🌐
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AI has it's uses when done right. Best example I can recall is the FFVII remake, where they used AI to animate the lip sync for a selected language for the each character whenever they spoke, either during a cutscene or in game. This saved the development team not just money but time, as having even having a dedicated team just for that task would of added more months of development and QAing. They still had humans review the animations, and all of their data was pulled from either previous developed titles from in house or purchased 3rd party animations. Overall, it made the work easier without replacing staff, and lightened the workload for ones already on the project. This I feel is the best example of how using AI can help game development.
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AI art is a disgrace & insult to REAL artists! complete LAZINESS! & if u can't draw paint ect then don't ruin it for real artists. Progress? to what? human replacement? robot commie futute of soulless shit? barf
As with so many other things, the problem with both AI art, and even automated textile factories, isn't the technology... it's rampant unchecked Capitalism. To be clear: this includes both businesses and also the impatient or undiscerning consumers who are willing to consume despite the exploitation or lowered quality or etc. AI art also serves a nice side dish of Climate Change... generative AI uses a lot of power, and sometimes that power comes from coal. Not terribly responsible, incredibly short-sighted, but see above: unchecked Capitalism. AI art is also showing an increasingly vertical family tree, learning how to Art from other AI that didn't quite get it right... and so on and so forth. So the quality of AI art is arguably getting WORSE over time, rather than better. Moving a little from images to writing and other things, AI may have already killed people. I'm not talking about the google search AI that returns wild and crazy suggestions, like jumping off a bridge to treat Depression (although that's not good either!), but rather specifically about AI to identify mushrooms. Mycologists are already facepalming. Don't mess with mushrooms unless you're a trained expert... and even then, maybe think twice. We don't know if the person died or not... I haven't seen an update. There is also of course the matter that most people in life strive to labour less, to not spend their lives in toil, instead wishing that they could create art of all varieties... so why the hell are we making robots do the art, instead of to do the labour. (The answer is classism.... and also Capitalism again. There might be some racism tossed in there too, I dunno.) Whether you're talking about images or video or writing, or even outside the art sphere entirely, this AI craze is not exactly what I'd call 'progress'... but you're absolutely correct about one thing: though the craze will cool, AI is almost certainly here to stay.
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Good analysis, comrade SPG! :) The problem is within the society, not the tools. In a normal society, if a machine is made that doubles the productivity in production then workers just work half the time they did before for the same pay. In our sick society it means half the workers are fired and another half is forced to work more for less pay under the threat of being fired too and are treated like slaves by their bosses and managers. Artists cannot meaningfully challenge the system as they're the core part of it. That's why they cry about "true human-made art!"(they draw chicks with dicks) and "muh intellectual property!"(which corpos wipe their asses with, "rules for thee but not for me"). They're artisans/petite bourgeoise, who lucked out a decade ago and now can make a living out of their hobby as nerdy kids grew up and got some money to spend. How fast they forgot that their whole industry is a temporal fluke, and now the big corpos come in and take over just like they always do in Capitalism. What they need is not individual petty bourgeoise whining on twitter but an organized protracted work against these corpos, agitation of corporate artists(they can be treated as scabs) and consumers to your side to do strikes and boycotts etc
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I'm all for AIs, from art to writing to whatever else. It's the future. AI will unlock incredible new heights for gaming and most other industries. I understand people who are artists or even programmers would oppose the use of AIs, but I think AI can be a great tool to enhance their work rather than substitute it.
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I was hoping to see what a legend but this list is good!!
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AI is currently heavily subsidized by its stock growth, much like Google and Amazon in their younger days, it's a loss leader that's gathering data on its users and getting its users addicted to it. Eventually in a decade or two, like Google and Amazon, it'll need to make money and jack up the prices on its future monopoly AI product that everyone has to use. At least unlike Google and Amazon, it probably won't poison its search results with ads... I hope?
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I still have hope, I prefer to think of future AI sentients as our descendants rather than, well, Skynet or the Matrix
I have these games filtered for me. As so far nothing good has come out of games that use AI art. All of them are low quality cash grabs that are just put to together real quick because the ease of use of ripping AI art and slapping it into a game takes almost no effort but the sloppiness of these kinds of games severely shows. But by all means, if you know an actual good game that uses AI art that's at least as good as let's say... a game that's just average... Agent17. Then I might look at it. Although I doubt they'll never be beyond the average tier and will probably never reach the quality as something like Eternum, Projekt Passion or something that's more popular, Being a DIK.
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@@justinrazon7200 That's preposterous. Just wait a few years and you'll see how wrong you are. Heck, Eternum was made with assets the developer doesn't even have the legal rights to. I love the game, but let's not beat around the bush.
@@grimsdungeonofcomics I'm not talking about legal rights and ownership. That doesn't affect me as a consumer of the media. AI art based games are bad. That's it. You think people care that Eternum is made using Illusion game assets? No. It's a good well crafted game that's the only reason why it has good ratings. Plenty of illusion based games aren't as good because what you use does not matter, it's how you use it. And right now AI art is simply used for cash grab low quality games. Wait a few years sure maybe it gets better. But that statement literally proves AI art games are trash right now. Maybe 10 more years in the oven.
@@justinrazon7200 Illusion sure does. That's why Mega got hit because people were transferring assets with it. Illusion cares because 1) their games have been crap since HS/KK and they know it, 2) they would love to make the money that the dev is making from Eternum using their software. That's theft. Using someone's engine illegally to make a product that you are being grey market paid for is theft. Plain and simple. I still love the game and that, but I have gotten into fights with HS/KK fans over it, saying he needs to make his own art instead of using stolen assets - which yes, they are in Illusion's mindset. You folks get all upset about AI, but it is perfectly fine to steal another devs assets and make a game for profit that the company has not licensed for that purpose.
@@grimsdungeonofcomics You're still missing my point. I don't get upset about AI art because it's stolen. Again I don't really care. All that matters to me is if it's good or not. And it's not. I don't care what illusion thinks, that's their problem. And the video is about AI art so that's what I'm talking about. None of what you said does not make this untrue. "Wait a few years" or "this or that is stolen" and all that crap. None of that matters. AI art is bad. Maybe comment again in 10 years once it's good.
Also, The explination of the luddites is some what capitalist propaganda. They weren't against automation, they were against only those at the top benefitting from said automation. If the textile owners had said "hey, cool, we can automate stuff and our staff can make the same money for less labour" or "with this automation, we can make more profit in the same time and the people can earn more money" everyone would have been cool.
I said, "Essentially people didn’t want to lose their jobs to machines, see wages decreased, and were concerned about the drop in quality that machine made textiles had versus professionals making hand made ones."
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ai content is "super cheap" to produce, and it shows. I'm yet to see it used in any decent kind of way and it just seems like the ones making money from it are the grifters and those selling the ai services.
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Everybody copies everything nowadays nothing is really original anymore. So I'm not as understanding of the argument that it just takes pre-existing art. Because that's what real people do as well. It's hard to impossible to create new ideas when we have so much history of doing things to make something that's actually never been done before. Newer games having prettier Graphics than older ones doesn't change this, it's still the same thing with a different look. And a person could probably set the AI up to use their own artwork only which could be useful for making quicker art for horror games in particular. So I will not say that there's no circumstance where it could be a useful tool. That is just being disingenuous and hating change
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I don't mind people tinker around generated art for fun because when these software came out I did in fact tinker with it since I was bored. I got bored with it and I never claim the generated art as my because it's like going to someone's art account and post their art somewhere else as yours. I draw my own art on paper, I am not an excellent artist, but I would never be bored of drawing something that I want to create for myself and people. AI is not art is just a tool to fuck around that's is how see it and I stop fuck around with it because I like to create, not to watch. People are going to lose their jobs I think it's time to indie and remind that art is special I love different art style in games that what I buy on steam. I love actual art!
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Good video on a controversial topic. AI image/video generation is improving by leaps and bounds every month, I would expect good animations created by AI within a year. And I also have used the printing press as a comparison. I'm a programmer, I've already accepted that my job will most likely go to AI within 20 years. We already have Microsoft CoPilot writing some of the code for us - but it's not quite smart enough yet to architecture large programs that interact with other complex programs. It will get there though. I'm curious to see what will happen from that point - I'm thinking not Wall-E, but closer to Terminator.
Can I get a non-dystopic future please?
Terminator would be 100 years off. It is not that advanced yet.