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Sipping coffee ☕️ enjoying a Deer 🦌 Hunting post ! Perfect!!
@Rcfreak5712 сағат бұрын
Nice!
@Rcfreak5712 сағат бұрын
He took the forest with him on that death run!
@steelereels750022 сағат бұрын
Sweet keep it up love your stuff
@JimRyserКүн бұрын
Holy cow those skeeters are as bad as the Everglades!
@DIYSportsmanКүн бұрын
Yep they're pretty brutal 🦟
@NathanMuckala-gb7is5 күн бұрын
Kinda reminds me of predator fall gray
@NathanMuckala-gb7is5 күн бұрын
Like the camo pattern
@royleerobinson55 күн бұрын
Sooo a blazer on a offset is the deal
@Jhollowed257 күн бұрын
I only watched this video to see how you're managing the rolled hem on Membrane Silpoly. The stuff is so thin and slippery, that I found a rolled hem foot to be extremely frustrating to use. I had resorted to just pinning the whole damn thing. But I was astounded to see that you're literally just rolling it by hand, with a regular foot... you make it look so easy lol
@GotChrist607 күн бұрын
...make more videos. You are missed!
@BobbyB17769 күн бұрын
I agree 100%. That strategy has worked for me many times
@sarcazmo9 күн бұрын
What is the difference between offset and helical? I use a vane master pro that allows offset… are they the same?
@DIYSportsman9 күн бұрын
It's easy enough to think of them as the same for these purposes. Technically, offset it just the angle relative to the shaft, whereas helical is describing the wrapping of the vane around the shaft. If you use a decent offset, you'll automatically be applying some helical for the entire base of the vane to be able to stick. Some jigs have separate straight and helical clamps. The helical clamp helps give the base of the vane some twist to be able to stick better at higher offset. The vane master pro handles offset with the pin setting, and you can adjust your twist with the two bars holding the vanes to allow it to fit tightly to the shaft.
@jevers201010 күн бұрын
With the rope retrieval after your decent, it only works with a tree without branches, correct? I feel you would need to repel slowly, attach a linesman’s around the branch, retrieve your rope, reattach, repel, etc. Am I thinking of that correctly?
@DIYSportsman10 күн бұрын
You'd be able to retrieve the rope around branches. In this instance, there was nothing in the way so the rope just loosens and falls. But since you're pulling on the carabiner/link side of the rope, when you encounter a branch, you'll be pulling that link towards you, and the rest of the rope just gets pulled through that link at the branch level, until eventually the tag end of the rope backs out all the way through the link, and then you've just got the tag end of the rope laying over the branch. Keep pulling and it'll come down. Having the tag end of the rope nice and tidy and not frayed or knotted let's it glide through the branches and not hang up. It's easier to watch than explain. If you find some other videos showing rope retrieval specifically youll see what I mean. The biggest risk is just wedging the rope into a narrow crotch of a very upward angled branch. If you wedge it in that crease while pulling, and aren't able to whip it free, you'd have to climb back up to unwedge it.
@LizardKing51310 күн бұрын
Do you think the worksharp precision adjust elite jig would work on that broadhead? It goes up to 30 degrees. Not sure what the angle is on the vpa.
@bradyschumann962510 күн бұрын
Nice!
@charleyhydrick182010 күн бұрын
is this national forest or management area
@markdemi216413 күн бұрын
Props to you folks in the north woods for leaving your houses in the summer .. that looks freakin miserable. Lots of similarities with ADK.
@bradmiller836113 күн бұрын
Love ironwoods for scrapes! But they are in the open hardwoods a lot. Bucks are reluctant to come to them in daylight sometimes if they are too far away from good cover! Good luck summer scouting Garret!
@DIYSportsman13 күн бұрын
Thanks! And I've noticed the same. The best daylight scrapes seem to be in heavier cover
@coreytrick13 күн бұрын
Braving the MN State bird to give us tips. Don't forget to give your annual blood donation to Tick and Squite Inc. Appreciate taking one for the team!
@jevers201013 күн бұрын
Holy highway - that spot was busy with meat
@bsk712513 күн бұрын
Are you wearing the equinox guard hoody. If so how did it work?
@DIYSportsman13 күн бұрын
Yes, it works fairly well. Some bites will still get through. But it's a difference of getting a handful of bites compared to getting eaten alive with a normal shirt or baselayer that wasn't treated with anything. My hands still get bites too if I'm not wearing gloves. So usually I still put bug spray on my exposed face and hands. I think I'm generally moving too fast for a thermacell.
@bsk712513 күн бұрын
Thank you for the feed back! I have the pants and shirt and haven't worn it yet.
@2cthetruth13 күн бұрын
theres a tic on your face
@cre552415 күн бұрын
I just bought a recurve bow. I was and would still like to shoot a compound bow. This video is the most helpful video I have watched to teach me proper form! I’m glad that I found it before learning bad habits. I would like to hunt eventually with my recurve. First I need to shoot correctly and build confidence and accuracy to be able to hunt. Thank you very much for this educational content!!!
@NastyN8thegreat217 күн бұрын
Add some wheels that be sweet deer hauler tree stand homemade bridge lol yea buddy
@carolkmc285518 күн бұрын
You did a very good video as I have just watched 3 others, my question is; will these things work with a Whisker Biscuit? Many thanks.
@DIYSportsman18 күн бұрын
They wouldn't really work well out of a whisker biscuit. They'd either pop off going through, or if they did make it through, there'd be so much contact and drag going through the bristles I'm sure flight might be affected and the bristles would wear out very quickly.
@stephenharvey758118 күн бұрын
Very well covered !! Have some great ideas now to experiment with during summer practice Thank you so much
@chrisfavorin110721 күн бұрын
Although an increase of 3 dB represents a doubling of the sound pressure, an increase of about 10 dB is required before the sound subjectively appears to be twice as loud. The smallest change we can hear is about 3 dB. The subjective or perceived loudness of a sound is determined by several complex factors.
@DIYSportsman18 күн бұрын
Yes, the logarithmic scale definitely can throw people off. 3dB to double power and 6dB to double wave pressure, along with perception of those levels and practical change. I've also seen the 10dB number fluctuate based on the source, since the data might change based on the test (lab with headphones and synthetic tones, skilled ears like a musician or an average joe, sound frequency, etc). I've seen some articles mentioning a skilled ear can detect a 1-2dB change, but most people need 2-3dB, which again is likely a lab test and in the real world would probably show no practical difference. Like you mentioned, there's more complexities involved translating to the real world.
@nathancourtney200623 күн бұрын
Thank you, glad to subscribe
@carollongacre480627 күн бұрын
Where have u been.???
@bbmas1930Ай бұрын
I do wonder if setups that run their sight further out the front on a slider have in effect made themselves a 'front bar' already. High yes, but still a front weight that's out beyond the limb pockets. Perhaps on these setups its harder for a front bar to be felt, which might be why it was hard for you to separate the front/rear from the rear only. ATA would also have to play into it. A shorter ATA bow is going to be more prone to rolling left/right than say a long upright 3D bow and you'd think would benefit greatly from side bars
@DIYSportsmanАй бұрын
Yes, there's soemwhat of an effect there because that high forward weight is still causing a moment that would want to tip the bow forward. With heavy, long sights like the Garmin it's probably even more pronounced than a highly skeletonized sight.
@bbmas1930Ай бұрын
@@DIYSportsman because of your vid (which is one of the best out there on this topic) I had a play with solo rear stabilisers. I also watched a good Chris Bee vid on stabilisers where he talks about grip 'bias'. Basically the idea that if you were to set up your weights at full draw in a hooter shooter, yes you'd achieve perfect bow balance but then a gust of wind or a fatigued dip and the bow will easily move off that equilibrium because your bow arm/grip are switched off. BUT if you are initially unbalanced eg. a solo rear bar has the bow naturally canted ever so slightly left, then your bow arm will subconsciously have an ever so slight correction/tension to it that actually makes you more stable to these de-stabilising things. I'm naturally double jointed and my wrist is floppy with no structure to it even on low angle grips. I really benefit from biasing the bow to cant left by half a bubble if I draw with my eyes closed. The subconscious correction that then goes into that lets me hold steadier and longer. The amount of weight seems not to matter at all for me, but the location of just a bit of weight is more important.
@Wilderness_lifeАй бұрын
How do I update my email address?
@DIYSportsman18 күн бұрын
You should be able to contact customer support and let them know you're interested in migrating your account to another email.
@Wilderness_life18 күн бұрын
@@DIYSportsman thanks got it taken care of
@anonymous.notatall6419Ай бұрын
I add 3m (9ft) of thin neon coloured builders twine, figure 8 knotted behind the hole of threaded insert at business end then inserted and packed inside arrow and then at other end pinched between FOB and nock. That makes it so when FOB pops off there is a bright thread going directly to grounded or bushed arrow. Some times animal will take arrow with them, for a few short steps, into underbrush and you then have a great indicator threaded through their body. This is especially good with dusk/dawn hunting allong with a black light torch to make the neon FOB, nock and twine glow remarkably in the bush (along with the scorpions funnily). One just needs to make the weight/length exactly the same for each arrow and sight in bow with target arrows set up exactly the same.
@DIYSportsman18 күн бұрын
That's a cool idea! Reminds me of those old string trackers mounted to the bow, but in this case everything is contained and wouldn't affect flight nearly as much.
@Going4BrokeOutdoorsАй бұрын
Great info guys, thanks for sharing.
@halifaxhunting1034Ай бұрын
U said cannon pixie. I can not find that camera. Which one are you referring too
@DIYSportsmanАй бұрын
Canon Vixia. The model I used has been out of production for years, however, the mid-level current camcorder models from cannon or sony would be similar.
@aranha9365Ай бұрын
"Archery is a game of millimetres " I wish it was, so hard to me find out that everything in archery by the imperial system... What a master class!
@acebuck3487Ай бұрын
Easy to fletch my ass ive used 2 different glues and tried wraps and they do not and i repeat do not stick total junk
@DIYSportsmanАй бұрын
Did you wipe down the vanes with alcohol first? Which adhesives did you try? Were they fresh? After they updated materials, Kyle really like the Bob Smith Maxi Cure glue, though I've still had good adhesion from other glues like Loctite professional from the hardware store. The key with those glues is tossing them if they're old, storing them in a cool, dark place (we even refrigerate most adhesives at work). Then cleaning the shaft and base of vane, and getting a really good, tight contact surface. Dry fitting the vane first in the jig before applying glue can help ensure the jig is set up optimally.
@cjr4497Ай бұрын
Did they try different shaft diameters? It matters for clearance. I still shoot .246 arrows. Seems like .166 and .204 shafts get all the attention.
@DIYSportsmanАй бұрын
I don't know for certain though I'd strongly assume they used the .204 for everything since the Axis shaft is what the full iron will arrow system uses.
@jasonnull2248Ай бұрын
Suprised that no one has mentioned it yet, the aero vane from firenock. Great video, I enjoyed every minute.
@DIYSportsmanАй бұрын
Have you tried them before? I bought a pack of the aerovane ii a couple years ago. Initially flight and drag at 40 was no better than a blazer. But then I realized and confirmed that I was getting a strong knuckle ball. The shaft wasn't really spinning. After listening to dorge on some podcasts, I figured it was likely because I used a standard fletching jig to get thr zero offset, and my fletching was probably not 100% perfect, allowing the vanes to fight one another. Other recommendations like minimum speed limits for performance and use of very compact/aerodynamic broadheads only made me a little hesitant to keep pursuing testing. But at some point I'd like to test them again if they were professionally fletched.
@jasonnull2248Ай бұрын
@@DIYSportsman I have some but haven’t put them on to test. I was just curious how (if tested) they would do in a drag model and flight testing. I also wanted to see if there has been any slow mo video of them in flight, I haven’t found any. According to Dorge it would compliment the drag. I mean it’s still going to have some drag but the lift would be something worth testing. Thanks for the reply.
@Brooklyn-ok1uqАй бұрын
Congrats
@carloscaceres9298Ай бұрын
You mentioned the heat vanes and I was wondering, I shoot the heat vane in a 3 fletch max helical configuration. With mechanicals they work perfect but I want to switch to the QAD exodus broad head. Do I need to add a fourth vane
@DIYSportsmanАй бұрын
Personally I'd either add a fourth vane or go to a higher profile vane in the 3 fletch.
@it_is_what_it_is_brothaАй бұрын
Great conversation and love that scienece and being done on this topic....I watched every min and was hoping it'd end with what vane is Will shooting after all this but we will have to wait for that ha
@DIYSportsmanАй бұрын
He has his own vane through Iron Will Outfitters. It's the Max Hunter profile but in a different material. If you go to his website they're available for sale.
@andrewfernandez8330Ай бұрын
DCA Super Sabers
@garlandmcnew4282Ай бұрын
Bill touched on the visual component vs sound queues of whitetail around 1:14:00… the one doe that didn’t didn’t duck the arrow that had her head behind a tree. Dr Karl Miller’s research on whitetail having a much higher flicker fusion rate than humans (4x that of a human) and how that allows whitetail to essentially see the world around them in slow motion leads me to believe there’s something to them actually perceiving the arrow in flight more so than the sound of the arrow or even possibly the bow noise. Sound travels slower than light (obviously), and with a whitetails insane acuity with sensing motion and experiencing movement of objects differently, we might be (as Bill alludes to) going down the wrong rabbit hole with tiny differences in vane noise.
@garlandmcnew4282Ай бұрын
If in fact deer are experiencing and processing movement at 4x “slower” speed than us humans (with uniform focus across their degree of vision), It sure makes sense they’d be able to see the incoming arrow, process the info and start moving before impact, even at short distances.
@DIYSportsmanАй бұрын
It's an interesting concept for sure that requires more testing. My main hesitation is that if you've even watched video of an arrow being shot at a camera, even in slow motion there's not much movement to observe. It's like a point that gradually gets larger as it gets closer. I shot at a doe with a recurve a couple seasons ago that had her head buried in weeds feeding and she about hit the ground by the time the arrow got there, making me think that at least in that instance, it may have been more sound than sight. But as mentioned more testing to be done.
@stephenballard3759Ай бұрын
Okay.I have a question if you're still answering questions. Not much of this applies to me but I do find every aspect of archery interesting.. I've heard several different channels talk about that phenomenon of arrows coming off of a string already spinning in one direction or another, before the veins even have a chance. I'll bet you guys hate the thought, but what happens when an arrow with slightly longer?helical vanes goes through something like a Whisker Biscuit rest? I know the whole concept probably annoys a lot of real pros, but wouldn't that force the arrow into rotating before it even left the bow? Rather than 15 feet in front?
@DIYSportsmanАй бұрын
It's been a while since I've used a whisker biscuit. But what I've seen is that often if someone asks about them and a strong helical, people will mention the vanes getting wavy or showing signs of use (depending on the vane) from the extra contact and drag going through the bristles. With even a 2.5deg offset tall vane and a drop away, they'll get spinning very fast off of the bow. Moreso when matching spin direction of course, but not to the point where I feel like you'd need to force it at the cost of extra drag, contact, or premature vane wear.
@willc3384Ай бұрын
In vanes vs. string induced spin...Vanes win every time. Is there a mili-second of instability when it stops and changes direction....negligible.
@HawkeyeIK802Ай бұрын
May be better to focus in the CFD and use difference in pressure divided by baseline pressure to determine noise. It is less impacted by distance from instrument to arrow and will be seen in a scale other then dBa or deci Beles in the a scale. Deer are probably more sensitive to other scales at higher frequencies so this may give a more accurate reflection of the noise they hear instead of the noise we hear.
@DIYSportsmanАй бұрын
Yes that's an interesting thought. Makes me wish I had a CFD license to play around with it. From what I remember reading from other university study research, deer are more sensitive to frequencies around 4-8kHz, whereas ours is most sensitive around 2-5kHz, and their upper limit goes higher than ours. Obviously there's some overlap there but it makes sense to bias toward a slightly higher range. When I'd done my historical sound testing I'd pick one of the louder frames before the arrow passed over the mic, and I'd look at a dB vs frequency plot focusing on the area under the curve in the ~4-8kHz range to compare one vane vs another.
@KalishirАй бұрын
I have nothing to comment, I just hope this interaction helps showing this to more people! Thank you for the content!
@johnarcher9480Ай бұрын
Would love to see some tests on Spin Wing style vanes. Super thin, and the curved shape can (theoretically) keep as much air spilling over the upper edge of the vane, add that together with insanely light weight, and you might be able to get a low profile vane that works similar to taller vanes. The Mylar can actually be quite still, or flexible. And at the shot, the should open up slightly (becoming a taller vane) then one up to speed, it would fold back to do the static shape for less drag…
@DIYSportsmanАй бұрын
I can do that. I have mylar XS wings in 60mm high and 100mm that I got for traditional. They're light but not very durable with contact. They're widely used in barebow and olympic shooting with small diameter arrows and target points. Even the 60mm high are only like 0.5" tall if I really flatten them out, and they're shorter curled and taped on, so my speculation is they wouldn't have the same level of forgiveness with broadheads but need to try.
@johnarcher9480Ай бұрын
@@DIYSportsman I have used slightly larger vanes with broadheads, and got surprisingly good results. They were Slick Trick magnums… known to fly well, but they are still 4 blade fixed heads. Being very light, it helps slightly with FOC, giving the vanes a little extra “leverage”. You are right, they don’t like contact, but I think there might be something there. Hopefully, the slow motion is good enough to see if the vanes do open up. Subscribed 😉
@floydgriffiths9148Ай бұрын
I’m not sure whether you addressed it directly. Does helical have any advantage stabilizing a broadhead vs. 2 or 3 degree straight offset, (all else being equal)?
@DIYSportsmanАй бұрын
Technically a 2-3 degree straight offset is already helical once applied because the vane needs to wrap around the shaft a little in order to fully stick along the entire length of the vane. Helical clamps help accentuate that "wrapping" and make it easier to adhere with high offsets.
@swd37sdАй бұрын
One of the most difficult tests I tried to do in a controlled recording studio was a vane/noise test. It was inconclusive because we lacked the tools. This video discussion is phenomenal! My wife was not as excited to listen as me...but she had her kindle. Thanks for the information.
@turtleman5111Ай бұрын
Again, by the time that I heard an arrow whizzing toward me at 230 MPH(340FPS Xbow), I would then see the arrow buried behind me, after it went thru my chest cavity. The sound of the shot itself? How far away am I? Ahh, it doesn't matter. I don't forsee getting shot by a bow, at least for awhile!
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Sipping coffee ☕️ enjoying a Deer 🦌 Hunting post ! Perfect!!
Nice!
He took the forest with him on that death run!
Sweet keep it up love your stuff
Holy cow those skeeters are as bad as the Everglades!
Yep they're pretty brutal 🦟
Kinda reminds me of predator fall gray
Like the camo pattern
Sooo a blazer on a offset is the deal
I only watched this video to see how you're managing the rolled hem on Membrane Silpoly. The stuff is so thin and slippery, that I found a rolled hem foot to be extremely frustrating to use. I had resorted to just pinning the whole damn thing. But I was astounded to see that you're literally just rolling it by hand, with a regular foot... you make it look so easy lol
...make more videos. You are missed!
I agree 100%. That strategy has worked for me many times
What is the difference between offset and helical? I use a vane master pro that allows offset… are they the same?
It's easy enough to think of them as the same for these purposes. Technically, offset it just the angle relative to the shaft, whereas helical is describing the wrapping of the vane around the shaft. If you use a decent offset, you'll automatically be applying some helical for the entire base of the vane to be able to stick. Some jigs have separate straight and helical clamps. The helical clamp helps give the base of the vane some twist to be able to stick better at higher offset. The vane master pro handles offset with the pin setting, and you can adjust your twist with the two bars holding the vanes to allow it to fit tightly to the shaft.
With the rope retrieval after your decent, it only works with a tree without branches, correct? I feel you would need to repel slowly, attach a linesman’s around the branch, retrieve your rope, reattach, repel, etc. Am I thinking of that correctly?
You'd be able to retrieve the rope around branches. In this instance, there was nothing in the way so the rope just loosens and falls. But since you're pulling on the carabiner/link side of the rope, when you encounter a branch, you'll be pulling that link towards you, and the rest of the rope just gets pulled through that link at the branch level, until eventually the tag end of the rope backs out all the way through the link, and then you've just got the tag end of the rope laying over the branch. Keep pulling and it'll come down. Having the tag end of the rope nice and tidy and not frayed or knotted let's it glide through the branches and not hang up. It's easier to watch than explain. If you find some other videos showing rope retrieval specifically youll see what I mean. The biggest risk is just wedging the rope into a narrow crotch of a very upward angled branch. If you wedge it in that crease while pulling, and aren't able to whip it free, you'd have to climb back up to unwedge it.
Do you think the worksharp precision adjust elite jig would work on that broadhead? It goes up to 30 degrees. Not sure what the angle is on the vpa.
Nice!
is this national forest or management area
Props to you folks in the north woods for leaving your houses in the summer .. that looks freakin miserable. Lots of similarities with ADK.
Love ironwoods for scrapes! But they are in the open hardwoods a lot. Bucks are reluctant to come to them in daylight sometimes if they are too far away from good cover! Good luck summer scouting Garret!
Thanks! And I've noticed the same. The best daylight scrapes seem to be in heavier cover
Braving the MN State bird to give us tips. Don't forget to give your annual blood donation to Tick and Squite Inc. Appreciate taking one for the team!
Holy highway - that spot was busy with meat
Are you wearing the equinox guard hoody. If so how did it work?
Yes, it works fairly well. Some bites will still get through. But it's a difference of getting a handful of bites compared to getting eaten alive with a normal shirt or baselayer that wasn't treated with anything. My hands still get bites too if I'm not wearing gloves. So usually I still put bug spray on my exposed face and hands. I think I'm generally moving too fast for a thermacell.
Thank you for the feed back! I have the pants and shirt and haven't worn it yet.
theres a tic on your face
I just bought a recurve bow. I was and would still like to shoot a compound bow. This video is the most helpful video I have watched to teach me proper form! I’m glad that I found it before learning bad habits. I would like to hunt eventually with my recurve. First I need to shoot correctly and build confidence and accuracy to be able to hunt. Thank you very much for this educational content!!!
Add some wheels that be sweet deer hauler tree stand homemade bridge lol yea buddy
You did a very good video as I have just watched 3 others, my question is; will these things work with a Whisker Biscuit? Many thanks.
They wouldn't really work well out of a whisker biscuit. They'd either pop off going through, or if they did make it through, there'd be so much contact and drag going through the bristles I'm sure flight might be affected and the bristles would wear out very quickly.
Very well covered !! Have some great ideas now to experiment with during summer practice Thank you so much
Although an increase of 3 dB represents a doubling of the sound pressure, an increase of about 10 dB is required before the sound subjectively appears to be twice as loud. The smallest change we can hear is about 3 dB. The subjective or perceived loudness of a sound is determined by several complex factors.
Yes, the logarithmic scale definitely can throw people off. 3dB to double power and 6dB to double wave pressure, along with perception of those levels and practical change. I've also seen the 10dB number fluctuate based on the source, since the data might change based on the test (lab with headphones and synthetic tones, skilled ears like a musician or an average joe, sound frequency, etc). I've seen some articles mentioning a skilled ear can detect a 1-2dB change, but most people need 2-3dB, which again is likely a lab test and in the real world would probably show no practical difference. Like you mentioned, there's more complexities involved translating to the real world.
Thank you, glad to subscribe
Where have u been.???
I do wonder if setups that run their sight further out the front on a slider have in effect made themselves a 'front bar' already. High yes, but still a front weight that's out beyond the limb pockets. Perhaps on these setups its harder for a front bar to be felt, which might be why it was hard for you to separate the front/rear from the rear only. ATA would also have to play into it. A shorter ATA bow is going to be more prone to rolling left/right than say a long upright 3D bow and you'd think would benefit greatly from side bars
Yes, there's soemwhat of an effect there because that high forward weight is still causing a moment that would want to tip the bow forward. With heavy, long sights like the Garmin it's probably even more pronounced than a highly skeletonized sight.
@@DIYSportsman because of your vid (which is one of the best out there on this topic) I had a play with solo rear stabilisers. I also watched a good Chris Bee vid on stabilisers where he talks about grip 'bias'. Basically the idea that if you were to set up your weights at full draw in a hooter shooter, yes you'd achieve perfect bow balance but then a gust of wind or a fatigued dip and the bow will easily move off that equilibrium because your bow arm/grip are switched off. BUT if you are initially unbalanced eg. a solo rear bar has the bow naturally canted ever so slightly left, then your bow arm will subconsciously have an ever so slight correction/tension to it that actually makes you more stable to these de-stabilising things. I'm naturally double jointed and my wrist is floppy with no structure to it even on low angle grips. I really benefit from biasing the bow to cant left by half a bubble if I draw with my eyes closed. The subconscious correction that then goes into that lets me hold steadier and longer. The amount of weight seems not to matter at all for me, but the location of just a bit of weight is more important.
How do I update my email address?
You should be able to contact customer support and let them know you're interested in migrating your account to another email.
@@DIYSportsman thanks got it taken care of
I add 3m (9ft) of thin neon coloured builders twine, figure 8 knotted behind the hole of threaded insert at business end then inserted and packed inside arrow and then at other end pinched between FOB and nock. That makes it so when FOB pops off there is a bright thread going directly to grounded or bushed arrow. Some times animal will take arrow with them, for a few short steps, into underbrush and you then have a great indicator threaded through their body. This is especially good with dusk/dawn hunting allong with a black light torch to make the neon FOB, nock and twine glow remarkably in the bush (along with the scorpions funnily). One just needs to make the weight/length exactly the same for each arrow and sight in bow with target arrows set up exactly the same.
That's a cool idea! Reminds me of those old string trackers mounted to the bow, but in this case everything is contained and wouldn't affect flight nearly as much.
Great info guys, thanks for sharing.
U said cannon pixie. I can not find that camera. Which one are you referring too
Canon Vixia. The model I used has been out of production for years, however, the mid-level current camcorder models from cannon or sony would be similar.
"Archery is a game of millimetres " I wish it was, so hard to me find out that everything in archery by the imperial system... What a master class!
Easy to fletch my ass ive used 2 different glues and tried wraps and they do not and i repeat do not stick total junk
Did you wipe down the vanes with alcohol first? Which adhesives did you try? Were they fresh? After they updated materials, Kyle really like the Bob Smith Maxi Cure glue, though I've still had good adhesion from other glues like Loctite professional from the hardware store. The key with those glues is tossing them if they're old, storing them in a cool, dark place (we even refrigerate most adhesives at work). Then cleaning the shaft and base of vane, and getting a really good, tight contact surface. Dry fitting the vane first in the jig before applying glue can help ensure the jig is set up optimally.
Did they try different shaft diameters? It matters for clearance. I still shoot .246 arrows. Seems like .166 and .204 shafts get all the attention.
I don't know for certain though I'd strongly assume they used the .204 for everything since the Axis shaft is what the full iron will arrow system uses.
Suprised that no one has mentioned it yet, the aero vane from firenock. Great video, I enjoyed every minute.
Have you tried them before? I bought a pack of the aerovane ii a couple years ago. Initially flight and drag at 40 was no better than a blazer. But then I realized and confirmed that I was getting a strong knuckle ball. The shaft wasn't really spinning. After listening to dorge on some podcasts, I figured it was likely because I used a standard fletching jig to get thr zero offset, and my fletching was probably not 100% perfect, allowing the vanes to fight one another. Other recommendations like minimum speed limits for performance and use of very compact/aerodynamic broadheads only made me a little hesitant to keep pursuing testing. But at some point I'd like to test them again if they were professionally fletched.
@@DIYSportsman I have some but haven’t put them on to test. I was just curious how (if tested) they would do in a drag model and flight testing. I also wanted to see if there has been any slow mo video of them in flight, I haven’t found any. According to Dorge it would compliment the drag. I mean it’s still going to have some drag but the lift would be something worth testing. Thanks for the reply.
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You mentioned the heat vanes and I was wondering, I shoot the heat vane in a 3 fletch max helical configuration. With mechanicals they work perfect but I want to switch to the QAD exodus broad head. Do I need to add a fourth vane
Personally I'd either add a fourth vane or go to a higher profile vane in the 3 fletch.
Great conversation and love that scienece and being done on this topic....I watched every min and was hoping it'd end with what vane is Will shooting after all this but we will have to wait for that ha
He has his own vane through Iron Will Outfitters. It's the Max Hunter profile but in a different material. If you go to his website they're available for sale.
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Bill touched on the visual component vs sound queues of whitetail around 1:14:00… the one doe that didn’t didn’t duck the arrow that had her head behind a tree. Dr Karl Miller’s research on whitetail having a much higher flicker fusion rate than humans (4x that of a human) and how that allows whitetail to essentially see the world around them in slow motion leads me to believe there’s something to them actually perceiving the arrow in flight more so than the sound of the arrow or even possibly the bow noise. Sound travels slower than light (obviously), and with a whitetails insane acuity with sensing motion and experiencing movement of objects differently, we might be (as Bill alludes to) going down the wrong rabbit hole with tiny differences in vane noise.
If in fact deer are experiencing and processing movement at 4x “slower” speed than us humans (with uniform focus across their degree of vision), It sure makes sense they’d be able to see the incoming arrow, process the info and start moving before impact, even at short distances.
It's an interesting concept for sure that requires more testing. My main hesitation is that if you've even watched video of an arrow being shot at a camera, even in slow motion there's not much movement to observe. It's like a point that gradually gets larger as it gets closer. I shot at a doe with a recurve a couple seasons ago that had her head buried in weeds feeding and she about hit the ground by the time the arrow got there, making me think that at least in that instance, it may have been more sound than sight. But as mentioned more testing to be done.
Okay.I have a question if you're still answering questions. Not much of this applies to me but I do find every aspect of archery interesting.. I've heard several different channels talk about that phenomenon of arrows coming off of a string already spinning in one direction or another, before the veins even have a chance. I'll bet you guys hate the thought, but what happens when an arrow with slightly longer?helical vanes goes through something like a Whisker Biscuit rest? I know the whole concept probably annoys a lot of real pros, but wouldn't that force the arrow into rotating before it even left the bow? Rather than 15 feet in front?
It's been a while since I've used a whisker biscuit. But what I've seen is that often if someone asks about them and a strong helical, people will mention the vanes getting wavy or showing signs of use (depending on the vane) from the extra contact and drag going through the bristles. With even a 2.5deg offset tall vane and a drop away, they'll get spinning very fast off of the bow. Moreso when matching spin direction of course, but not to the point where I feel like you'd need to force it at the cost of extra drag, contact, or premature vane wear.
In vanes vs. string induced spin...Vanes win every time. Is there a mili-second of instability when it stops and changes direction....negligible.
May be better to focus in the CFD and use difference in pressure divided by baseline pressure to determine noise. It is less impacted by distance from instrument to arrow and will be seen in a scale other then dBa or deci Beles in the a scale. Deer are probably more sensitive to other scales at higher frequencies so this may give a more accurate reflection of the noise they hear instead of the noise we hear.
Yes that's an interesting thought. Makes me wish I had a CFD license to play around with it. From what I remember reading from other university study research, deer are more sensitive to frequencies around 4-8kHz, whereas ours is most sensitive around 2-5kHz, and their upper limit goes higher than ours. Obviously there's some overlap there but it makes sense to bias toward a slightly higher range. When I'd done my historical sound testing I'd pick one of the louder frames before the arrow passed over the mic, and I'd look at a dB vs frequency plot focusing on the area under the curve in the ~4-8kHz range to compare one vane vs another.
I have nothing to comment, I just hope this interaction helps showing this to more people! Thank you for the content!
Would love to see some tests on Spin Wing style vanes. Super thin, and the curved shape can (theoretically) keep as much air spilling over the upper edge of the vane, add that together with insanely light weight, and you might be able to get a low profile vane that works similar to taller vanes. The Mylar can actually be quite still, or flexible. And at the shot, the should open up slightly (becoming a taller vane) then one up to speed, it would fold back to do the static shape for less drag…
I can do that. I have mylar XS wings in 60mm high and 100mm that I got for traditional. They're light but not very durable with contact. They're widely used in barebow and olympic shooting with small diameter arrows and target points. Even the 60mm high are only like 0.5" tall if I really flatten them out, and they're shorter curled and taped on, so my speculation is they wouldn't have the same level of forgiveness with broadheads but need to try.
@@DIYSportsman I have used slightly larger vanes with broadheads, and got surprisingly good results. They were Slick Trick magnums… known to fly well, but they are still 4 blade fixed heads. Being very light, it helps slightly with FOC, giving the vanes a little extra “leverage”. You are right, they don’t like contact, but I think there might be something there. Hopefully, the slow motion is good enough to see if the vanes do open up. Subscribed 😉
I’m not sure whether you addressed it directly. Does helical have any advantage stabilizing a broadhead vs. 2 or 3 degree straight offset, (all else being equal)?
Technically a 2-3 degree straight offset is already helical once applied because the vane needs to wrap around the shaft a little in order to fully stick along the entire length of the vane. Helical clamps help accentuate that "wrapping" and make it easier to adhere with high offsets.
One of the most difficult tests I tried to do in a controlled recording studio was a vane/noise test. It was inconclusive because we lacked the tools. This video discussion is phenomenal! My wife was not as excited to listen as me...but she had her kindle. Thanks for the information.
Again, by the time that I heard an arrow whizzing toward me at 230 MPH(340FPS Xbow), I would then see the arrow buried behind me, after it went thru my chest cavity. The sound of the shot itself? How far away am I? Ahh, it doesn't matter. I don't forsee getting shot by a bow, at least for awhile!