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Geno, DK, and JSN are being underrated. The scheme was not good; too predictable and not so creative. They did have some good play design at times, but the play calling was a head scratcher in many games in 2023. The O line performance really thru Geno and his targets off time. Agree about Charbonnet; not a second round draft pick. Again, he was not utilized that good for his skill set. Finally, depth at O line that we haven't had in years.
There you go sounding like a guy with not much knowledge about Geno ..the fact that Geno hasn't truly played all 12 years of his career and to hear him say he feels young should be tell tale sign and he ran a 21 mph in OTA .. c'mon man !!!
I know Geno feels young and his body feels good but Father Time always wins. He might be able to prevent decline till he’s 39 or 40 but it is going to come. I’m a believer that he absolutely can be the guy for the next 4 or 5 years but probably not the next decade like a young guy.
@@The_Legion_of_12s fact !!! To be real though if Seattle let him go next year it will be the biggest mistake of their lives this man got at least 5 more good to great years in him just give him the protection and you and I will see what this man can truly be... SB material...no doubt !!!
That’s a whole lot of love for Jake Bobo! Wide receiver two is a stretch, my guy! But we all know who you like on this team
Yeah I’m a Jake Bobo truther. WR2 might be high but he did a great job with his limited opportunities. The contested catch skills are no joke and I think he will get the snaps due to his run blocking. Of course WR2 is a projection but I think it’s certainly possible.
Ryan Grubb just needa go watch some JSN Ohio State Sophomore year film. That’s how you maximize his skill set. Waldron hurt JSN’s abilities so bad last year
100%. I feel like Waldron got JSNs film mixed up with someone else because he basically used him in the exact wrong way. College JSN was so different and I hope that’s what we see. Get him space in the slot and let him work.
@@The_Legion_of_12s Facts only thing he got his rookie year was basically terribly blocked screens or 5-10 yard slants or outs 😂
Great content as always keep up the good work
Thank you! I appreciate it!
I was thinking that our RB splits would be a lot like AJ and Jones a couple of years ago. Aaron Jones got the middle of the field while AJ got the redzone and short down threats. In terms of being a scat back both can do it. I would say Bobo are JSN are better contested than DK not Tyler (when contesting I think of high pointing the ball). Tyler is more of a catch in the bucket player. It’s not like DK got those good chances at those balls. He’s just not a WR you can throw behind or below when he is going full speed. He has shown spots of high pointing balls. Geno and him just can’t seem to connect on it. But I agree it’s not like he’s some prime dhop monster JSN’s whole college game was about the in routes, the slants, the zigs. You never saw that here until we were down in the 4th. He’s more technically sound than Lockett and DK coming out of college. He’s naturally going to get better. I agree he has to prove it but let’s be honest here if Zay flowers or Addison came to Seattle it would mirror JSN’s season
I think you’re right on with the backs. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah I was kinda talking about the whole package of contested catches where I do really like Lockett. Yeah pretty much everything JSN showed in college he was never asked to run so… 😂 Excited for the season and to get new tape on all of these guys.
Hopefully. . Fingers crossed. I'm excited. I can't wait. . GO HAWKS. . SEATTLE NATION. . SEATTLE ALL THE WAY. . SEAHAWKS 4 LIFE. . 💙💙💚💚💙💙💚💚💙💙💚💚💙💙💚💚💙💙💚💚💚💙💙💙
Jake Bobo's in the intro, you know it's a banger
I thought of you when I was adding it 😂
Edit: can confirm this is a banger. Honestly, this is probably my favorite ever legion of 12s upload.
@@The_Legion_of_12s btw what's your opinion of the Seahawks looking to sign Connor Williams? What do you think will happen between him and Olu if the Sehawks do get him?
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed!!!
He's a very interesting player and I'm really pulling for the hawks to sign him (mostly so I can breakdown his tape 🤣). The respect that he has in the league is really high and although I haven't watched any of his tape I think he would be one of if not the best players on the offensive line if heatlhy. The injury is a concern but if the contract is cheap than this would be pretty much all upside as he is only 27 years old so he could absolutely have a good career here in Seattle. The fit is also just so good as Miami loved outside zone and Grubb would love to pull Williams and get him moving. I don't know if this is a vote of no confidence in Olu. I don't know the specifics but based on how late his ACL tear was, I doubt he would start week 1. So maybe you sign him and give everyone 5-6 weeks to settle down and then see if you want him to take over for Olu or maybe play guard and replace Tomlinson, Bradford, Haynes, etc. If the contract is cheap enough, I think this could be a great move to just limit the questions on the interior of the offensive line and really raise the floor significantly. If he's going to be more expensive, I don't know about the signing because he might not even be needed as a starter and might hurt the development of the younger guys in Olu, Bradford and Haynes. Thanks for your comments!
You thoughts on geno are mine exactly people act like he’s either average or really good and I honestly believe he’s somewhere in the middle and it will definitely show this year
100%.
We need geno for at least two more years. We will have to get a qb of the future, but we have a squad that would be ready for a super bowl within the next two years if everything goes right so geno is the one for me until he cant do the job
This is what I hope for as well. Geno is good enough to allow us to compete as we build this roster. The hawks are never going to tear this down and start over so we need to remain competitive while we rebuild and Geno is the key to that.
if you have a twitter i want to help you out. You helped me out before an i think your help bettered my channel.
Yeah I have a twitter! @_thelegionof12s. It’s been great to hear your perspective on the hawks. :)
@@The_Legion_of_12s I had to at u but it’s on twitter
I don’t think Shane Waldron knew how to properly use JSN .
I think that was one of his bigger failings. He basically refused to use JSN in the slot where he is best. Way too many screens and not really giving him the space that he needs to operate. Never highlighted him but basically just tried to pretend he was Lockett which is weird to me.
if u watch brett kollman podcast with ej on his 2nd channel bootleg football about the seahawks preview he and ej believed that shane waldron did not know how to use JSN and it made it painful for them
Seahawk fans you have a whole lot more than a back up! Sam was 22 years old starting his 1st game against the cowboys who were in need of a win to make playoffs, His 1st pass was a touchdown and he went on to win that game. The o coach was Scott turner (I’m not a fan of Scott)but he was a better play caller than EB. Sam is barring injuries gonna bea good 1 for you. Many skins fans will be fans of Seahawks now Sam will be favored by Washington fans and you guys will feel the same way. Go Seahawks except when you play redskins and even then we will be rooting for Sam! Bet
Always great to hear from fans of other teams! Best of luck this year. DQ is a heck of a coach... :)
I hope he’s accounting for the first 3 guys that will miss tackles any time CMC, Deebo, or Kittle get the ball
The hawks tackling was terrible last year 😂
This was a fantastic video. I'm wondering if you can cover Abraham Lucas in a future video as I believe he is our best offensive lineman on the field when he's healthy and starting.
u have 2 corners on your team i fought people on for months . Tariq Woolen was my guy coming out of Utsa . Even the lions coaches were impressed with him at the senior bowl when they coached him he was my number 2 corner that year. Spoon was the the best guy at 6 i wanted spoon because of his brian branch ability . the guy plays inside and out and everything he did proved most lions fans wrong. The idea that drafting a corner at 6 was contreversial was quickly nullified with his play. guys a baller even a child could see these 2 were light years above. However, getting brian branch was to me the safest and the right pick in second round . even confirmed by others that we got gibbs and laporta cause spoon was gone. so im happy u guys got a dawg and so did i . Matter of fact i got 2 . But tariq woolen still haunts me to this day. if we got woolen my mock draft would have been at 95% correct. whew. good times . Great content as per usual.
Thank you! Riq really was a massive steal for the hawks. It is super rare for a corner outside of the first round to jump in and be good from year 1 and that's exactly what he has done. Yeah I'm sure the Lions wanted Spoon. 100% a DC type player.
@@The_Legion_of_12s Absolutely , seattle is for sure a team iv'e respect and loved since 09 . my youtube subscribers know. but for the last 3 years, i haven't like them as much. they stolen playoff hopes beat us at home . and ofcourse they got my favorite player coming out of college. Seattle vs detroit is a big game for us you guys always have our number. don't care what the record is.u guys always compete and put on a show ! hell of a team.
Modern defenses might also give up some yards on the ground to encourage you to run, so they can take it away on the next set of downs. Get you behind the sticks on first down. Then the trick is to flip the switch at the right time, when the offense decides to throw on 1st.
100%. Modern defenses are aware that the need to manage risk/reward and Macdonald is so great at that. Thanks for watching!
Excited for the season to start
100%
@@The_Legion_of_12s and training camp starts next week!!!
First play all on the RT, second play was a tip, Its a look for a Homerun shot, then get it to #19. #19 is the main part of that play. Lastly before I turned it off, its another Tip ball off pure athleticism by the DB, not scheme. Whole video is a big reach, coping for the fact Brock owns the Division and the future looks rough for yall. 17 total playoff wins, no more than the Browns, Bears or Titans lmao Kyle has 8 in SF alone. Yall are so laughably Fucked
First of all, thanks for watching! I really love seeing fans from other teams. The right tackle actually did everything right on that play. Since you only have 2 blockers for 3 pass rushers you always block the inside guys first so he did exactly as he should’ve. He has to work to pass of the stunt because you want to seal the inside pressure first. Everyone (including Purdy who makes a great play) does their job perfectly but the scheme is just better. As for the tipped pick, that also was pure scheme. There’s no other reason to bring a corner blitz on 3rd and 1. He is specifically baiting this RPO adjustment. Amazing scheme. Obviously should’ve just been an incompletion either by the tip or Purdy honestly should’ve just spiked it. I mean absolutely no disrespect to Shannahan. He is a top 3 HC no question. I’m just excited that the Seahawks finally have a coach who will be able to fight back. Thanks for watching!
Redskins** idc what yall say
Love woolen loved him in the draft. . But I wanted to ask wat software if any do u use for motion tracking?
Yeah Woolen has been a fun watch his whole career! I use CapCut Desktop to edit all of my videos. The motion tracking is manual (they have some automatic but it doesn’t work for my film) but it’s not too hard to put in 10 key frames and then it smooths it out. Takes ~60 seconds per shot. If you’re looking for a new editor for your podcast I couldn’t recommend CapCut enough. Easy to use and powerful. Tons of preset effects and stickers (like the one i use) so it’s pretty seamless and easy. Let me know if you have any other questions!
thank u I actually just fully committed myself to CapCut . I was using iMovie and VN even learned some Adobe. Haven’t explored CapCut as thoroughly as I wanted but will. As far as motion tracking for month or so I was using klipshare draw - but it’s wanly and expensive but it has advantages to it . However I will fully commit to CapCut . An after using it one time I fell in love with it
@@The_Legion_of_12s I do have one last question. Route concepts and combinations. - how do u get routes in your edit - u just place them there I can’t find to many and it’s hard to actually put them on film - I wish they would be more seamless but they just seem to float on the screen but I don’t know if my comment posted but Ive just fully committed to CapCut . Got tired of using apps like iMovie - VN - klipdraw for motion capture- but I got tired of using all 3 different tools for 1 thing klip draw in itself is great but CapCut makes thing a a lot easier - I will be exploring CapCut thoroughly. It’s truthfully something I fell in love with -
Fr k9 is insane with making something out of nothing. Multiple times Ive been like “oh good another 5 yard loss” only for k9 to juke 3 people and get a 4 yard gain
I know right? He is a wizard and so much fun to watch!
These videos are so well-edited.
Thank you! They take like 10+ hours just to edit so I’m glad you like it!
Derick hall,uchenna nwosu and tre brown will break out
I love that list! I don’t even think that Nwosu needs to breakout but just remind people who he is. Last year he was on track for a great season with low end #1 edge production. Excited to have him back. A brwskout from Hall and Brown would be big as that would give so much more depth and high end talent at those crucial positions. Thanks for watching!
I think having the depth of Tomlinson and Fant on the offensive line will be a very good thing. Hopefully, it won't be needed much, but Lucas is still uncertain, and Fant may have to start the season at right tackle. Seattle drafted Haynes who will likely become a starter in not too long. Like Fant over Lucas, Tomlinson also is likely the starter over Haynes week one, but regardless of who starts, the depth is the key thing. When Seattle lost Lucas last year, it was devastating. Seattle was a little better at the guard position with Lewis, Bradford, and Phil Haynes, but injuries were still an issue there too. Having the depth now to weather these storms, especially at tackle, is going to be a huge factor in the Seahawks returning to the playoffs.
100%. I don’t think that the starters are massively improved (a little bit but not a ton) but the backups are so much better. Fant will actually be a decent enough tackle if needed and Bradford is welcome to be the first guy off the bench. I finally feel like we have answers for backups and at least go 7 deep with guys I feel good about. Thanks for watching!
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Awesome video. This is what NFL content is missing. The way you compared Seattle and Baltimores defense was brilliant.
Thank you! I really appreciate it.
Wow Clint hurtt was ass
Let’s just say that they’res a reason he’s no longer a defensive coordinator. He was dealt a tough hand with Carroll and Desai having hands in what he was trying to do these past two years but the results were still not good.
I’m excited for this season Go Seahawks!!!!!!💙💚💙💚💙💚😃🎊🎉
The Legion of 12s is back 🥳
I'm glad you're as excited as I am. :)
We gotta make this guy a top Hawk Reporter.. always has great videos
Thank you!
Agreed man
Can you explain what makes Penix so weird? Because I’ve heard a lot of comps to Geno…
Sure yeah. He is weird because he not only has one of the biggest arms in the NFL, but he also has one of the fastest releases. There are throws that he made in college where in one quick flick of the wrist he is able to throw it on a line at a million miles an hour for like 40 yards. His arm strength + release is probably the best in the NFL already. There are quarterbacks that have a similar lightning quick release (Purdy and Tua) but usually they have no where near the arm strength of Penix. That makes him very unique. As far as his weaknesses, I don't think his accuracy was that great. Even if you look at the footage in the video, there are instances where the WRs have to work a lot harder than they should've had to. There's not really a good comp because no one has that combination of arm strength and quick release. Geno is probably not a very bad one. Penix has better arm strength and a faster release for sure, but I think Geno has better accuracy and processing. Hope that answers your question!
@@The_Legion_of_12s thank you! Awesome video!
What most people don’t know about Penix is that he has legit speed! He has more than enough speed to get his team a 1st down with his legs when needed…He just really didn’t have to run @UW because they had an elite offensive line❗️I sure hope it works out well for him in the ATL…#GoDawgs #GoHawks
His speed isn't bad but being a runner or even a scrambler is a lot more than just speed. It is mostly about awareness and creativity outside of the pocket both of which he hasn't shown to this point. I'm rooting for him too. He was so much fun to watch in college and I wish him all the best. :)
@@The_Legion_of_12s: I would also worry about Penix getting injured if he runs too often in the NFL.
Not showing Jake Bobo in the intro is disrespectful
You're right. I totally should've put him in the intro 🤦♂️. It wasn't meant to be an exhaustive list but yeah he might be the most underrated hawk so he should've been there. Bobo is one of my personal favorite hawks so he will definitely be covered on the channel in the future!
Bobo is not a name people know outside of Seattle… let’s chill
Hopefully they will know his name after this year. :)
No the video got it right. Bobo himself has admitted to being too slow to ever be a WR1 or 2. His game comes from exploiting his one broken jump cut and fucking people up after the catch. Bobo ain't happening until Lockette retires.
I probably wouldn't bet on Bobo being a WR1 or WR2 but I think once the role opens up he will be an excellent WR3. I wouldn't say that his speed is a limiting factor though. You really can throw out the 4.99 time because he was running through mud in a downpour but I think he is about as fast as like DeHop so he could become a contested catch X receiver but he has to show a lot more consistent ball winning for that to happen. You're 100% right that we probably won't get a great look until Lockett retires or (heaven forbid) one of the WRs in front of him gets injured for a while. In the game when he came in for DK, he went off for 61 yards and a touchdown. Exciting to watch and probably underrated compared to national media.
Thank you for sharing this video. Can't wait for the season to start. I'm excited. Go hawks. Seattle nation baby. . Seattle all the way. . Seahawks 4 LIFE. . 💙💚💙💚💙💚💙💚💙💚💙💚💙💚💙💚💙💚💙
Great video
Thank you!
Old McDonald had a team E - I - E - I - O , and on that team he had witherspoon..and Love and... E - I - E - I - O and the sf 49ers got woooped.. E - I - E - I - O
Umm yes he did have a sophomore slump he got burned more than he didn't. Mr Flash look alike suddenly was running in mud. I was disappointed but hopefully he can return better this season. You don't have to get a ton of INT's to be a lockdown corner.
I think they were pretty similar tbh. Our expectations changed quite a bit after he was so good in his rookie year. The hawks put a lot on him, almost always leaving him without any help. I think he has performed pretty well over the past two years and if he can figure out the tackling a little bit he could be a huge weapon for Macdonald.
I'm watching as a Ravens fan that was not a McDonald fan at all. I see at least 3 years of struggle before the defense plays somewhat like they did in Baltimore. I don't know about Seattle's players, but it really took Roquan Smith and all the players having 2 seasons in our defense to play well. The first year before Roquan Smith got there, they played atrociously because the lack of communication wasn't relayed throughout the play well. Kyle Hamilton, being an All-Pro, also allowed him to get away with a lot of things. Overall, I'm expecting him to have 5 to 6 years before he gets fired for underperforming in that division.
This is a take I haven’t heard before so thank you for sharing. While I agree that he might have struggled a little bit for the 3 months, since then I think he has been one of if not the best defensive coordinators and he runs a scheme that is permeating through the league right now. I have faith in Mike Mac but I also get your concerns. Thanks for watching! It’s always great to hear what Ravens fans think.
Loved this video. Improvement in OLine (and your video out our defense learning how to stop the run) will be the keys to an improved season imo. Also still really nervous about Tomlinson, Olu, and Bradford working together. The OLine coach has his hands full for sure. Go Hawks!
Thanks for the kind words! I am curious about how the interior offensive line will shake out. I think that Christian Haynes is almost certainly going to start at Right Guard so I’d probably say it’s going to be Tomlinson and Haynes. Still a shaky group but I think the depth is pretty decent for a change and I have faith that it will be fine. Getting Cross and Lucas to be strengths at tackle will be more of the challenge. Thanks for watching!
I think it needs to be said that the offense Shane Waldron ran, didn't look like a Rams offense (where he came from), but still like the old offense. So ask yourself, who had the say over those decisions
I absolutely see where you're coming from and I think that is actually an interesting point. I will say that I don't think that Waldron deviating from what McVay runs is weird or a problem. I mean Kevin O'Connell is also a Sean McVay disciple but he also doesn't really look much like Mcvay. I actually think some of the three tight end stuff that he did was pretty interesting and I think overall he was dealt a poor hand from the lack of offensive line talent. Don't get me wrong I am really excited for a new offense that won't be under Pete because I do think he had an influence. But I also really wouldn't love it if Waldron just tried to import exactly what McVay does because 9 times out of 10 that just doesn't work. End of the day you have to adjust to your talent and I think Waldron tried (emphasis on tried) to do that. :) Thanks for watching this older video :) I hope you enjoyed.
@@The_Legion_of_12s quite right, you have to adjust. But do you really think, Sean Mc Vay or Waldron wouldn't let Geno throw over the middle of the field?
@@paulihme6934 I hope Geno will throw over the middle more this year too. I do think that there probably was some pressure from Pete to not turn the ball over (i.e. don't throw it over the middle). Still I can kinda see it from his perspective that if you want to best use DK and Lockett you gotta attack deep and outside the numbers. But I would love to see JSN feast over the middle and I think that'll be the plan.
@@The_Legion_of_12s exactly, well said 👍
Weren't the 49ers missing their best player in this game outside of CMC though?
You’re talking about Trent Williams? He was the only big piece that got injured but he still got 46% of the snaps in that game. I get that losing him is big but losing an offensive lineman for half the game is hardly a good excuse when you still have 3 all pros on offense after Trent got injured.
@The_Legion_of_12s yeah I was talking about Trent. I thought this was one of the games he missed entirely
@@chrissears5482 No but it certainly was a big blow. That guy is elite and honestly he's one of my favorite players to watch, regardless of team.
Jones was average- pretty much in every way they used him, he's fine but he's just overpaid for his production. Even playing in his natural position he wasn't better than average. It's definitely concerning.
I don’t disagree. A lot of his film was difficult to watch. I think that Macdonald will have a more specialized role for him so he can focus on what he does well (pass rushing from 5/6 technique) but yeah he is certainly overpaid right now. I think he can return dividends if used correctly but I don’t know if I’d bet on it. Honestly Jarran Reed was a better player last year. 🤷
@@The_Legion_of_12s Yeah, he was but Nwosu going down and throwing Jones into the fire when I assume he was studying and taking reps at a different position made him look uncomfortable. Hoping a full offseason knowing his role will make a big impact.
@@BBGLEED 💯
Luke kuechly was the perfect linebacker.
I don’t know about perfect because I dont think here’s such a thing as a perfect player but if there was Kuechly would be a one of a short list. Are you a panthers fan or just Kuechly?
You Seattle fans say the strangest things
You’re a fan of another team? First of all I love that you’re watching. Who do you root for?
You give me hope, thanks for that
Glad to hear it! Just remember don’t let it get dashed in week 1 if it doesn’t go great. I’m planning to make a video on expectations and I think that giving a year of “not overreacting” would be wise. Thanks for watching!
@@The_Legion_of_12s No looking for wins, but respect on defense, we lost that from the good teams.. I want that back
100%
Let russ cook. Lmao yea he cooked his ass all the way his second team since he left and is about to be a backup this season at some point
I think we both agree that he wasn't the right guy to try to pull off the new playcalling scheme but I brought it up because the foundation of the let russ cook movement is ran by pretty much all of the best NFL offenses right now.
Russes Recipe was 3 and out 3 and out 3 and out TOUCHDOWN Honestly a once magical offense fun to watch got really boring as Russ forgot what short and intermediate passes were forgotten.