If Bachmann solely sold direct to customers at the trade price, no retailers, the model would be 40% cheaper. Other start up compaines have a massive advantage in being able to choose between manufacturing plants in China at competetive prices per production run, and then sell that model direct, with barely any overhead cost involved. Bachmann have their own factory who can charge what they want as there are no competitors, and an established dedicated office with many employees who all have to be paid at the end of the day. Unfortunately it is no longer 2010 when Chinese labour cost was a fraction of what it is today, and calls for accurate models requiring mutiple tooling options means higher prices. Like you said, prices will eventually come down but it would be unsustainable for Bachmann to churn everything out at a low cost, risking the business failing.
@IronHorseRailways3 күн бұрын
@@nickg2762 I wouldn't say quite as much as 40%, but that's an interesting opinion! Thanks!
@nickg27623 күн бұрын
@@IronHorseRailways it does vary of course, but the trade prices that Bachmann sells to retailers is usually in that ball park. That’s why retailers can discount something like a new 37 from £244 down to £160 and still make a small profit. Now imagine there was no retailer, Bachmann could sell that from new at £160 and make a decent profit from whatever the cost per item from the factory is!
@IronHorseRailways3 күн бұрын
@@nickg2762 i think it's a case of they have to discount rather than want to... 😔
@nickg27623 күн бұрын
@@IronHorseRailways true and that’s not ideal, but there is simply not an economical way to lower prices across the board. Yes for some models like the 31 it makes sense to have an artificially lowered price to compete with another manufacturer, but you can’t do that for every new tooling otherwise they can’t make any money! At the end of the day prices are set for what Bachmann thinks that model is worth and this 08 is packed to the rafters with new features. And trust me, I’ve seen one and it’s amazing what has been stuffed into a tiny model.
@mccarronfamily2 күн бұрын
Trade margin is 30% at best. Certainly not 40. All that happens is shops are forced to drop 15% to make prices palatable and try survive on a paltry 15% margin.
@nicholasstark1823 күн бұрын
I'm an accountant and a few years ago I did some work for a preserved railway. They bought ex BR class 03 shunters for £15 each. Working with a full tank of diesel! Prices like this for models are truly bonkers. Who has the money for these?
@BritishRail600625 күн бұрын
Sadly Bachman isn't the only one raising their prices. Hornby emailed me today with some bad news that they are increasing their prices. But its not over for for cheaper model trains. We have many options. Hold out for a sale like I am going to that is the first choice. The second option is to stick with pre-owned models that are more than suitable for enjoyment. The third option is to consider indie brands like Accurascale, Rapido Trains etc that give better value back to the public. We have a choice. I do O gauge nowadays and I have a handful of OO and N gauge that keeps me going as I will use the latter for taking to friends layouts etc.
@devonbelle35 күн бұрын
I wanted one, but no way at that price :-(
@PeachyTT1205 күн бұрын
Hat drop! 🤣🤣👌
@IronHorseRailways4 күн бұрын
Drop it like it's hot 😂
@PeachyTT1205 күн бұрын
Bachman’s arse…. There’s an image I didn’t need! 🫣 Maybe it’ll be ok behind tinted windows 😂
@IronHorseRailways4 күн бұрын
Hidden from views 😂
@mikeyratcliff34006 күн бұрын
He's back! If they actually produce a gronk with everything correct for my loco of choice from 1972 with correct configuration of : lights, footplate profile, correct battery box locking , and all the rest, sadly I'm a gronk nut who worked on them during my apprenticeship at chart leacon Ashford in the early 80's, iIF (and that is a big IF), it will still be cheaper than having to buy sometimes 3 yes soddin three! Bodies to chop and carve to get it right, and if it ain't right, I can't imagine me up them steps in 1982... probably in the minority here but it really is my specialist subject, so obviously I will be going over it with an insane any probably legally notificationable (watch him, he's a nutter!), more than a cursory glance- the good news is the best all rounder for all the bits in the right place, Europa (061) is plummeting in price on ebay due to this announcement- I reckon the remote uncoupler wars will start soon, bring it on! Glad to see ya back mate, anyone who wares a Hoggs cap with a flash point below 40 degrees gets my vote !
@95015996 күн бұрын
Why did Bachmann have to produce a new class 08 anyway??? It seems redundant why not produce something else like a mk1 RK, Restaurant Kitchen car??? I have a few Bachmann class 08 and they look quite good so I don't need any new tooled 08s. Good video 📹.
@IronHorseRailways6 күн бұрын
@@9501599 I don't think the issue is with there being a new class 08, it's the fact it's the same price as their class 47 that makes this hard to swallow 😂
@nathanbowers63646 күн бұрын
I've started buying cheap used wagons from model shops and repainting them now because £30+ for a 00 gauge coal wagon is ridiculous; I could understand if you specified what number, livery, weathering etc you wanted but for something mass produced is just daft. If only more 3d printed stock that was designed to fit generic chassis was available with little modification needed, I think I'd stop buying new stock altogether.
@AlmondBankModelRailway-g6k6 күн бұрын
I actually burst out laughing when you told us the price!! I've got two second hand Hornby 08's both sound fitted for around £150-170 each... I still have my original Bachmann 08 in RFD colours purchased for £34 brand new...I sold my Hornby 2005 tooling Class 08's a while back, they were £44 each new. Not sure I see the value with such inflated pricing.
@paulc95887 күн бұрын
Totally agree. Nothing wrong with the current Bachmann 08, widely available discounted from the retailers for ~£100-£120. Those willing to pay more for a newer and higher specification 08 can buy the Hornby one. The old Bachmann 08 looks fine, runs well and is good enough for me.
@leelishman71378 күн бұрын
Youre basically paying 100 pounds for lights,old one looks fine from arms length ,ill do without the lights..
@IronHorseRailways7 күн бұрын
You can add lights for about £25 and a spare afternoon, I've done it to loads of locos - not difficult at all mate.
@trackedandtested58488 күн бұрын
Thanks for inspiring me to get back onto KZread and restarting my channel :) I've been a tad overwhelmed as I'm new to modelling and I've chosen N gauge, buy I realise now mistakes are ok, Just need a track plan now.......
@IronHorseRailways7 күн бұрын
Glad you're finding inspiration mate! Enjoy!
@tonyrobinson3628 күн бұрын
S23 Ultra / S24 Ultra phones.
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited8 күн бұрын
😂 FFS very disappointed in that, so the ever increasing prices have got to you now. We should be bloody annoyed as a community and not rush to defend these companies. Once the new Bachmann 08 arrives watch the price of the Hornby one rocket to just shy of the new price, watch the 2nd hand prices slide upwards more. All this has to do with one thing, putting the prices up across the board. Sad times mate.
@IronHorseRailways8 күн бұрын
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited yeah there's price increases all the time, across the board too - means less purchases ultimately!
@cedarcam8 күн бұрын
This is why I have cut back on what I buy. I have 3 x Hornby 08 from years ago all running well and detailed enough for me why would I want a super high priced one to replace it, same with the 37 and 47 spinning fans that you can hardly see on the real thing and detail on the back wall of he cab you cannot see unless you really look for it are things I can not justify paying another £100 for old retooled locos. I don't mind so much if it were a class 83 or something like that not made before but they keep doing the same old things over and over and expect us to upgrade to them.
@BeastyBill889 күн бұрын
This is why I refuse to buy any rolling stock brand new, far too expensive. I'm happy having preowned items especially considering 99% of my stuff is DC controlled.
@IronHorseRailways9 күн бұрын
@@BeastyBill88 there's so much importance in the used market now, there's some bargains out there to be sure mate - buying new now is mostly for me, reserved to one or two purchases a year when it comes to locos now.
@kevinhickson80999 күн бұрын
It’s not just Bachmann.hornby have announced a 12% increase from sept.totally extortionate .i for one won’t be buying .fed up of been ripped off.
@chugwaterjack44589 күн бұрын
I enjoy your running sessions as they have neither obvious overvoice comments nor that mindless YT music. Just the sounds of your railway. Well done, mate!
@ThatGuyKal9 күн бұрын
I could get two gronks from Hornby for that price, haha
@mattmaz29 күн бұрын
Not a chance will i be buying one 😂 #daylightrobbery
@IronHorseRailways9 күн бұрын
Wait for the sales... The sale sales lol
@stocktonjunction9 күн бұрын
Absolute rip off I won't be buying any. I'll have the older ones thanks
@IronHorseRailways9 күн бұрын
Nothing wrong with the older ones whatsoever; I have TWO!
@stocktonjunction9 күн бұрын
@IronHorseRailways yeah I've got a couple of bachmann ones and an old hornby one plus a lima set converted to class 13
@Plymouthstation19859 күн бұрын
Very true Craig it’s a lot of money for what it is the uncoupling system is good but looks a bit clunky. LGB have been doing uncoupling systems 25 plus years ago so it’s nothing new, useful but not £350 useful. Will wait to see what discounts some of the retailers are offering. Im looking forward to the accurascale class 50 will probably be better value for money.
@bentullett60689 күн бұрын
Those prices are ridiculous. Are they using gold as one of the materials to build these. A well detailed steam tank engine from Rapido, Dapol and Hornby is less money than this.
@IronHorseRailways9 күн бұрын
Agreed Ben, there's excellent quality available for far less.
@dibsyardshuntinglayout9 күн бұрын
I don't agree with all your videos Craig, but for this topic, you are "bang on the money" fella.
@IronHorseRailways9 күн бұрын
It's a shame really, Bachmann make fine quality models, truly they do - But so do Accuracale, and Cavalex, and Dapol... None of them are after £350 for a 060!😢
@dibsyardshuntinglayout9 күн бұрын
@@IronHorseRailways true story an the way. 👍😁
@delphjunction11689 күн бұрын
Hi Craig. I think Bachmann are trying to kill this hobby. People that have loads of dosh no problem so good for them, how about youngsters and most hard working people. Ridiculous price from Bachmann and Hornby. Thanks for sharing buddy. Thumbs up thumped 👍 .... Pete....
@IronHorseRailways9 күн бұрын
I'm not so sure they're trying to kill it mate, but They're definitely after a certain market within the hobby, inexplicably higher prices than anyone else just didn't sit clear with me. But, what do I know?
@Sandlingjunction10 күн бұрын
Apparently Hornby is about to raise their prices by 12%, so when inflation is only 2% I wish that the hobby could create a national and even international boycott of new models, and buy good secondhand models. These companies feel that they have a licence to print money and take the piss out of us all in the hobby. It is about time we all stood up and shout, NO MORE. I for one will no longer buy new models from anyone unless a good discount is applied
@IronHorseRailways10 күн бұрын
It's a tricky one, Companies are absolutely free to charge what they like. We are free to not buy them. We're not entitled to be able to 'afford' them whatsoever... My position here is, I fail to see why Bachmann feel justified adding the extra costs to their models when, quite frankly, their competitors don't - it's almost like "the Bachmann tax" In a way. Very strange
@ianturvey389410 күн бұрын
Definitely a wacky baccy moment 😂.
@alexandergoudie459110 күн бұрын
Hey love the video What can I say , every thing you say is true . It is utter crap , (being polite ) about it we in the model railway hobby are getting ripped off , right , left n centre with prices for our hobby. You need a second mortgage now , for the price of locos , coaches , wagons track etc etc . Bachmann , Hornby , what like don’t give a toss about the normal punter with the prices that they are charging for locos etc , the same on the 2nd hand market likes of EBay and such like . It’s only going to be those , and such as those people that can afford the top price , to pay for new models . And pensioners , and young ones need all there hard earned cash , to try n save a little to buy something new if possible. It’s about time we took a stand , and said enough is enough with your prices , n if they don’t like it tough 🤬🤬🤬🤬. Keep up the good work , I am being cool doing this , I could blow my top , I could swear a lot , I could blow a gasket but what’s the use . Will keep on following you for further information updates thanks again . Big A Scotland
@IronHorseRailways10 күн бұрын
@@alexandergoudie4591 cheers mate I appreciate the support 😁🙏
@waynemeakin10 күн бұрын
You took the words right out of my mouth@
@johnchadwick422210 күн бұрын
Servo DCC couplings have been around for years, from Keen, who brought us dynamic close couplings. So no innovation there, anymore than Hornby originated the steam system they use.
@piers99510 күн бұрын
In 3 years they will be on sale at 45% off.
@IronHorseRailways10 күн бұрын
12 months, same thing happened with all their big diesels. Some 47s were even 50% off!
@dougalmcdougal868210 күн бұрын
For those who think this is too expensive here is my tuppenceworth … Quality and detail costs £sss There are a great many in the hobby with money to buy these models .. Bachman etc ain’t daft. So the more well off buy these, and some of these people will then sell on their less detailed models for those who don’t have the means to buy the latest models .. I kind of circular economy …
@IronHorseRailways10 күн бұрын
@@dougalmcdougal8682 that said, these still end up on immediate discount, day one they're on discount!
@little_britain10 күн бұрын
I just bought a new tooled 47 (Heljan) for £84 - so absolutely not buying this 08 at that price, or even close to it.
@IronHorseRailways10 күн бұрын
@@little_britain it can be difficult to justify it can't it?
@ivovanzon16410 күн бұрын
That are some nasty transitions... Ever had a look at the rack railway offerings by Roco (and Fleischmann for second hand)?
@IronHorseRailways10 күн бұрын
No mate, but so far the testing has worked so... We shall see 😁
@ivovanzon16410 күн бұрын
Bachmann going into Esu pricing territory without delivering Esu level quality... In Europe their main claim to fame is doing models that nobody else does (like full camouflage Ww2 trains), which kind of explains the pricing... But a 08 is anything but special
@IronHorseRailways10 күн бұрын
@@ivovanzon164 what about a full camo 08?😁
@peterforden591710 күн бұрын
Sounds like Bachmann are going bust , these prices won't help!
@peterforden591710 күн бұрын
As an aside there's still no L.M.S. variant (atleast not since the Lima variant.) Why? its the grandad of all the 08 etc variants and it would be prewar.
@paulbrien481711 күн бұрын
For £350 are the wheels made of gold?
@tail_lamp753811 күн бұрын
This is why I'm doing more Aircraft Scale Modelling these days, kits are a lot cheaper and you get more value for money!
@paredding10 күн бұрын
Can relate...I build any new wagons now from Parkside or Slaters kits at a third of the price...
@JohnJohnson-cn9fh11 күн бұрын
this sums up my complaint,its all too bloody expensive, ...............jpj
@davidscott646811 күн бұрын
I wonder what a full size 08 cost to build in 1952 ? Bachmann must be getting near the original build cost.
@countottovanshanoo82211 күн бұрын
Dapol's *O gauge* 08 is the same price give or take.
@paulmarmion35811 күн бұрын
Keep the videos coming 👍
@modelrailpaulcee11 күн бұрын
About the same price as the Dapol 0 gauge model then?
@IronHorseRailways11 күн бұрын
Yup - a bloody O gauge model!
@tulyar104311 күн бұрын
@@IronHorseRailways It runs far better than a 4mm scale one due to better gearing and the large flywheel it has. Think of this, two deluxe sound new bachmann 08s will cost the same as a Heljan 0 gauge Deltic. So which offers better value for money? For me the Deltic.
@DJ_K66611 күн бұрын
10% retailer discount is £189 or thereabouts, so at a 20% discount that makes £168 which in my view is much better. I'm in the process of DCC-ing at the moment (Powercab ~£150 brought directly from the USA - does mean I need a UK power adaptor though) so once you think 168 plus chip = around £250. 168 plus sound chip is roughly £270 -£280 so maybe the best option would be DCC ready loco plus the chips separately during the Black Friday or January Sales as then you'd get the 20% or even a little bit more discount plus it gives time to save up. Until then I'll be buying a Hornby one. Just wait til Accurascale make a Gronk.
@paredding10 күн бұрын
The irony / fate of this new release was that it caused me to check if Hornby had done a DB version of the 08 - they had and in TTS Sound Fitted format too. The newly tooled Hornby was very well regarded when it came out, far better than the old Bachmann version. Found one MIB at £140 so whilst maybe not the mega detailed new one, it's £132 cheaper and looks fine IMHO
@DJ_K66610 күн бұрын
@paredding I'm definitely looking for a Hornby one as it's better detailed than the older Bachmann one. I definitely think nobody will be paying RRP for one of these new Uber ones, so best to hold on and see how much it drops by. I do wonder if Bachmann prices are engineered towards the retailer discounts.
@stephendavies694911 күн бұрын
Hi Craig. I had far too much time on my hands last night, so was browsing your "back catalogue" on YT. I came across a few videos in which you seemed quite sanguine regarding high prices, a view which I mostly shared. Does this Bachmann pricing outrage mark the tipping point for you?? I know it has definitely shifted my thinking.
@IronHorseRailways11 күн бұрын
It's a strange one, while of course I have zero issue with manufacturers charging what they like -mostly- ultimately folks will only buy what they want But as I said, the issue comes when they are quite clearly on the shift when it comes to pricing structures of other larger models Vs competitor offerings. I suppose that's the issue to a point.
@davidsheriff898911 күн бұрын
I had O guage and 00 in the past....now I cannot afford this hobby.....ridiculous prices for plastic rubbish from China !
@IronHorseRailways11 күн бұрын
It's a shame mate, maybe second hand could be a solution?
@davidsheriff898911 күн бұрын
@@IronHorseRailways Yes maybe but I see other options..
@Decrepit_biker11 күн бұрын
The new Bachmann 08 is near as damn-it the same price as the Dapol O GAUGE O8..... makes the Dapol 08 in O an absolute bargin IMHO.
@tulyar104311 күн бұрын
Too right, and its running quality is far far superior to anything in 4mm scale.
@IronHorseRailways11 күн бұрын
If space wasn't an issue, you'd have to ask yourself why wouldn't you go O gauge?
@andybear785011 күн бұрын
Oo gauge cost that much I have converted over to O gauge
@johnstephens64911 күн бұрын
Hooray! Someone’s sharpened his teeth and got his mojo back…! For the record I do not need a new Gronk anyway.
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If Bachmann solely sold direct to customers at the trade price, no retailers, the model would be 40% cheaper. Other start up compaines have a massive advantage in being able to choose between manufacturing plants in China at competetive prices per production run, and then sell that model direct, with barely any overhead cost involved. Bachmann have their own factory who can charge what they want as there are no competitors, and an established dedicated office with many employees who all have to be paid at the end of the day. Unfortunately it is no longer 2010 when Chinese labour cost was a fraction of what it is today, and calls for accurate models requiring mutiple tooling options means higher prices. Like you said, prices will eventually come down but it would be unsustainable for Bachmann to churn everything out at a low cost, risking the business failing.
@@nickg2762 I wouldn't say quite as much as 40%, but that's an interesting opinion! Thanks!
@@IronHorseRailways it does vary of course, but the trade prices that Bachmann sells to retailers is usually in that ball park. That’s why retailers can discount something like a new 37 from £244 down to £160 and still make a small profit. Now imagine there was no retailer, Bachmann could sell that from new at £160 and make a decent profit from whatever the cost per item from the factory is!
@@nickg2762 i think it's a case of they have to discount rather than want to... 😔
@@IronHorseRailways true and that’s not ideal, but there is simply not an economical way to lower prices across the board. Yes for some models like the 31 it makes sense to have an artificially lowered price to compete with another manufacturer, but you can’t do that for every new tooling otherwise they can’t make any money! At the end of the day prices are set for what Bachmann thinks that model is worth and this 08 is packed to the rafters with new features. And trust me, I’ve seen one and it’s amazing what has been stuffed into a tiny model.
Trade margin is 30% at best. Certainly not 40. All that happens is shops are forced to drop 15% to make prices palatable and try survive on a paltry 15% margin.
I'm an accountant and a few years ago I did some work for a preserved railway. They bought ex BR class 03 shunters for £15 each. Working with a full tank of diesel! Prices like this for models are truly bonkers. Who has the money for these?
Sadly Bachman isn't the only one raising their prices. Hornby emailed me today with some bad news that they are increasing their prices. But its not over for for cheaper model trains. We have many options. Hold out for a sale like I am going to that is the first choice. The second option is to stick with pre-owned models that are more than suitable for enjoyment. The third option is to consider indie brands like Accurascale, Rapido Trains etc that give better value back to the public. We have a choice. I do O gauge nowadays and I have a handful of OO and N gauge that keeps me going as I will use the latter for taking to friends layouts etc.
I wanted one, but no way at that price :-(
Hat drop! 🤣🤣👌
Drop it like it's hot 😂
Bachman’s arse…. There’s an image I didn’t need! 🫣 Maybe it’ll be ok behind tinted windows 😂
Hidden from views 😂
He's back! If they actually produce a gronk with everything correct for my loco of choice from 1972 with correct configuration of : lights, footplate profile, correct battery box locking , and all the rest, sadly I'm a gronk nut who worked on them during my apprenticeship at chart leacon Ashford in the early 80's, iIF (and that is a big IF), it will still be cheaper than having to buy sometimes 3 yes soddin three! Bodies to chop and carve to get it right, and if it ain't right, I can't imagine me up them steps in 1982... probably in the minority here but it really is my specialist subject, so obviously I will be going over it with an insane any probably legally notificationable (watch him, he's a nutter!), more than a cursory glance- the good news is the best all rounder for all the bits in the right place, Europa (061) is plummeting in price on ebay due to this announcement- I reckon the remote uncoupler wars will start soon, bring it on! Glad to see ya back mate, anyone who wares a Hoggs cap with a flash point below 40 degrees gets my vote !
Why did Bachmann have to produce a new class 08 anyway??? It seems redundant why not produce something else like a mk1 RK, Restaurant Kitchen car??? I have a few Bachmann class 08 and they look quite good so I don't need any new tooled 08s. Good video 📹.
@@9501599 I don't think the issue is with there being a new class 08, it's the fact it's the same price as their class 47 that makes this hard to swallow 😂
I've started buying cheap used wagons from model shops and repainting them now because £30+ for a 00 gauge coal wagon is ridiculous; I could understand if you specified what number, livery, weathering etc you wanted but for something mass produced is just daft. If only more 3d printed stock that was designed to fit generic chassis was available with little modification needed, I think I'd stop buying new stock altogether.
I actually burst out laughing when you told us the price!! I've got two second hand Hornby 08's both sound fitted for around £150-170 each... I still have my original Bachmann 08 in RFD colours purchased for £34 brand new...I sold my Hornby 2005 tooling Class 08's a while back, they were £44 each new. Not sure I see the value with such inflated pricing.
Totally agree. Nothing wrong with the current Bachmann 08, widely available discounted from the retailers for ~£100-£120. Those willing to pay more for a newer and higher specification 08 can buy the Hornby one. The old Bachmann 08 looks fine, runs well and is good enough for me.
Youre basically paying 100 pounds for lights,old one looks fine from arms length ,ill do without the lights..
You can add lights for about £25 and a spare afternoon, I've done it to loads of locos - not difficult at all mate.
Thanks for inspiring me to get back onto KZread and restarting my channel :) I've been a tad overwhelmed as I'm new to modelling and I've chosen N gauge, buy I realise now mistakes are ok, Just need a track plan now.......
Glad you're finding inspiration mate! Enjoy!
S23 Ultra / S24 Ultra phones.
😂 FFS very disappointed in that, so the ever increasing prices have got to you now. We should be bloody annoyed as a community and not rush to defend these companies. Once the new Bachmann 08 arrives watch the price of the Hornby one rocket to just shy of the new price, watch the 2nd hand prices slide upwards more. All this has to do with one thing, putting the prices up across the board. Sad times mate.
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited yeah there's price increases all the time, across the board too - means less purchases ultimately!
This is why I have cut back on what I buy. I have 3 x Hornby 08 from years ago all running well and detailed enough for me why would I want a super high priced one to replace it, same with the 37 and 47 spinning fans that you can hardly see on the real thing and detail on the back wall of he cab you cannot see unless you really look for it are things I can not justify paying another £100 for old retooled locos. I don't mind so much if it were a class 83 or something like that not made before but they keep doing the same old things over and over and expect us to upgrade to them.
This is why I refuse to buy any rolling stock brand new, far too expensive. I'm happy having preowned items especially considering 99% of my stuff is DC controlled.
@@BeastyBill88 there's so much importance in the used market now, there's some bargains out there to be sure mate - buying new now is mostly for me, reserved to one or two purchases a year when it comes to locos now.
It’s not just Bachmann.hornby have announced a 12% increase from sept.totally extortionate .i for one won’t be buying .fed up of been ripped off.
I enjoy your running sessions as they have neither obvious overvoice comments nor that mindless YT music. Just the sounds of your railway. Well done, mate!
I could get two gronks from Hornby for that price, haha
Not a chance will i be buying one 😂 #daylightrobbery
Wait for the sales... The sale sales lol
Absolute rip off I won't be buying any. I'll have the older ones thanks
Nothing wrong with the older ones whatsoever; I have TWO!
@IronHorseRailways yeah I've got a couple of bachmann ones and an old hornby one plus a lima set converted to class 13
Very true Craig it’s a lot of money for what it is the uncoupling system is good but looks a bit clunky. LGB have been doing uncoupling systems 25 plus years ago so it’s nothing new, useful but not £350 useful. Will wait to see what discounts some of the retailers are offering. Im looking forward to the accurascale class 50 will probably be better value for money.
Those prices are ridiculous. Are they using gold as one of the materials to build these. A well detailed steam tank engine from Rapido, Dapol and Hornby is less money than this.
Agreed Ben, there's excellent quality available for far less.
I don't agree with all your videos Craig, but for this topic, you are "bang on the money" fella.
It's a shame really, Bachmann make fine quality models, truly they do - But so do Accuracale, and Cavalex, and Dapol... None of them are after £350 for a 060!😢
@@IronHorseRailways true story an the way. 👍😁
Hi Craig. I think Bachmann are trying to kill this hobby. People that have loads of dosh no problem so good for them, how about youngsters and most hard working people. Ridiculous price from Bachmann and Hornby. Thanks for sharing buddy. Thumbs up thumped 👍 .... Pete....
I'm not so sure they're trying to kill it mate, but They're definitely after a certain market within the hobby, inexplicably higher prices than anyone else just didn't sit clear with me. But, what do I know?
Apparently Hornby is about to raise their prices by 12%, so when inflation is only 2% I wish that the hobby could create a national and even international boycott of new models, and buy good secondhand models. These companies feel that they have a licence to print money and take the piss out of us all in the hobby. It is about time we all stood up and shout, NO MORE. I for one will no longer buy new models from anyone unless a good discount is applied
It's a tricky one, Companies are absolutely free to charge what they like. We are free to not buy them. We're not entitled to be able to 'afford' them whatsoever... My position here is, I fail to see why Bachmann feel justified adding the extra costs to their models when, quite frankly, their competitors don't - it's almost like "the Bachmann tax" In a way. Very strange
Definitely a wacky baccy moment 😂.
Hey love the video What can I say , every thing you say is true . It is utter crap , (being polite ) about it we in the model railway hobby are getting ripped off , right , left n centre with prices for our hobby. You need a second mortgage now , for the price of locos , coaches , wagons track etc etc . Bachmann , Hornby , what like don’t give a toss about the normal punter with the prices that they are charging for locos etc , the same on the 2nd hand market likes of EBay and such like . It’s only going to be those , and such as those people that can afford the top price , to pay for new models . And pensioners , and young ones need all there hard earned cash , to try n save a little to buy something new if possible. It’s about time we took a stand , and said enough is enough with your prices , n if they don’t like it tough 🤬🤬🤬🤬. Keep up the good work , I am being cool doing this , I could blow my top , I could swear a lot , I could blow a gasket but what’s the use . Will keep on following you for further information updates thanks again . Big A Scotland
@@alexandergoudie4591 cheers mate I appreciate the support 😁🙏
You took the words right out of my mouth@
Servo DCC couplings have been around for years, from Keen, who brought us dynamic close couplings. So no innovation there, anymore than Hornby originated the steam system they use.
In 3 years they will be on sale at 45% off.
12 months, same thing happened with all their big diesels. Some 47s were even 50% off!
For those who think this is too expensive here is my tuppenceworth … Quality and detail costs £sss There are a great many in the hobby with money to buy these models .. Bachman etc ain’t daft. So the more well off buy these, and some of these people will then sell on their less detailed models for those who don’t have the means to buy the latest models .. I kind of circular economy …
@@dougalmcdougal8682 that said, these still end up on immediate discount, day one they're on discount!
I just bought a new tooled 47 (Heljan) for £84 - so absolutely not buying this 08 at that price, or even close to it.
@@little_britain it can be difficult to justify it can't it?
That are some nasty transitions... Ever had a look at the rack railway offerings by Roco (and Fleischmann for second hand)?
No mate, but so far the testing has worked so... We shall see 😁
Bachmann going into Esu pricing territory without delivering Esu level quality... In Europe their main claim to fame is doing models that nobody else does (like full camouflage Ww2 trains), which kind of explains the pricing... But a 08 is anything but special
@@ivovanzon164 what about a full camo 08?😁
Sounds like Bachmann are going bust , these prices won't help!
As an aside there's still no L.M.S. variant (atleast not since the Lima variant.) Why? its the grandad of all the 08 etc variants and it would be prewar.
For £350 are the wheels made of gold?
This is why I'm doing more Aircraft Scale Modelling these days, kits are a lot cheaper and you get more value for money!
Can relate...I build any new wagons now from Parkside or Slaters kits at a third of the price...
this sums up my complaint,its all too bloody expensive, ...............jpj
I wonder what a full size 08 cost to build in 1952 ? Bachmann must be getting near the original build cost.
Dapol's *O gauge* 08 is the same price give or take.
Keep the videos coming 👍
About the same price as the Dapol 0 gauge model then?
Yup - a bloody O gauge model!
@@IronHorseRailways It runs far better than a 4mm scale one due to better gearing and the large flywheel it has. Think of this, two deluxe sound new bachmann 08s will cost the same as a Heljan 0 gauge Deltic. So which offers better value for money? For me the Deltic.
10% retailer discount is £189 or thereabouts, so at a 20% discount that makes £168 which in my view is much better. I'm in the process of DCC-ing at the moment (Powercab ~£150 brought directly from the USA - does mean I need a UK power adaptor though) so once you think 168 plus chip = around £250. 168 plus sound chip is roughly £270 -£280 so maybe the best option would be DCC ready loco plus the chips separately during the Black Friday or January Sales as then you'd get the 20% or even a little bit more discount plus it gives time to save up. Until then I'll be buying a Hornby one. Just wait til Accurascale make a Gronk.
The irony / fate of this new release was that it caused me to check if Hornby had done a DB version of the 08 - they had and in TTS Sound Fitted format too. The newly tooled Hornby was very well regarded when it came out, far better than the old Bachmann version. Found one MIB at £140 so whilst maybe not the mega detailed new one, it's £132 cheaper and looks fine IMHO
@paredding I'm definitely looking for a Hornby one as it's better detailed than the older Bachmann one. I definitely think nobody will be paying RRP for one of these new Uber ones, so best to hold on and see how much it drops by. I do wonder if Bachmann prices are engineered towards the retailer discounts.
Hi Craig. I had far too much time on my hands last night, so was browsing your "back catalogue" on YT. I came across a few videos in which you seemed quite sanguine regarding high prices, a view which I mostly shared. Does this Bachmann pricing outrage mark the tipping point for you?? I know it has definitely shifted my thinking.
It's a strange one, while of course I have zero issue with manufacturers charging what they like -mostly- ultimately folks will only buy what they want But as I said, the issue comes when they are quite clearly on the shift when it comes to pricing structures of other larger models Vs competitor offerings. I suppose that's the issue to a point.
I had O guage and 00 in the past....now I cannot afford this hobby.....ridiculous prices for plastic rubbish from China !
It's a shame mate, maybe second hand could be a solution?
@@IronHorseRailways Yes maybe but I see other options..
The new Bachmann 08 is near as damn-it the same price as the Dapol O GAUGE O8..... makes the Dapol 08 in O an absolute bargin IMHO.
Too right, and its running quality is far far superior to anything in 4mm scale.
If space wasn't an issue, you'd have to ask yourself why wouldn't you go O gauge?
Oo gauge cost that much I have converted over to O gauge
Hooray! Someone’s sharpened his teeth and got his mojo back…! For the record I do not need a new Gronk anyway.
Chomp chomp 🤣