Angel Chernaev - Historical fencing instructor

Angel Chernaev - Historical fencing instructor

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Sigi Rapier handling

Sigi Rapier handling

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  • @ucfj
    @ucfjКүн бұрын

    Hard to defend against THE POKE

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing22 сағат бұрын

    Sure is

  • @simonphoenix3789
    @simonphoenix37893 күн бұрын

    makes me realize just how improbable and silly most tv shows, movies and even descriptions in novels about sword fighting really are. Unless you work in supernatural abilities into the mix, human reaction speed doesn't seem to allow one person to block an attacker without having to rely on a large portion of luck. defending seems to be far harder than attacking.

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing2 күн бұрын

    Tv shows, movies and books are subject to the constrains of storytelling priorities. Yes, generally speaking, defending (reacting to the opponent incoming attack) is harder and slower. Our sources actually specifically focus and promote the concept of trying to be the attacker whenever possible. To take the initiative and force to opponent to focus on your attacks than on you. In the perfect scenario (as visible in the video here) a fencer can get into such a distance that the attack lands without the possibility of defence at all.

  • @simonphoenix3789
    @simonphoenix37893 күн бұрын

    wow, stepping on your own weapon... didn't expect that to be the thing that ended the fight.

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing3 күн бұрын

    It’s a great example of how anything can happen in a match. Even if one is very good - luck and circumstances can play a part

  • @WicketRWZL
    @WicketRWZL7 күн бұрын

    Are these Standard Sword from Go Now or some other version?

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing7 күн бұрын

    They are from Go-Now but not the standard options. They are longer at 78-80 cm blade and 98-100 cm overall (can't remember exactly).

  • @Private_Joe
    @Private_Joe8 күн бұрын

    the most underrated sportart in the world: HEMA

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing7 күн бұрын

    It's getting more appreciation with time :)

  • @Dockiller600
    @Dockiller60010 күн бұрын

    Vraiment bien continuez ;) félicitation de Belgique

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing10 күн бұрын

    Thank you :)

  • @borianadimitrovadance
    @borianadimitrovadance10 күн бұрын

    Very interesting sparring ⚔️

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing10 күн бұрын

    Glad you think so!

  • @longswordparkour511
    @longswordparkour51110 күн бұрын

    Wow good!!!!

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing10 күн бұрын

    Thanks

  • @LandCrow
    @LandCrow11 күн бұрын

    Absolutely loved that armpit sawing lol

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing10 күн бұрын

    Thanks

  • @FiliiMartis
    @FiliiMartis11 күн бұрын

    No offence, but are you sure this was her first sparring session? No strange flailing, simple and effective moves. She's a natural. ✌ And she confirms the text of the old masters, don't underestimate new fighters, as they can still score wins (a warning usually expressed in a bloodier fashion).

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing11 күн бұрын

    First Longsword sparring session (as in a training dedicated only on sparring) with a group. We have had some light freeplay with her in our one on one trainings and she hasn’t played in steel geared freeplay with anyone else before.

  • @FiliiMartis
    @FiliiMartis11 күн бұрын

    @@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing Out of personal curiosity, on the idea of fighting inexperience people that I heard about and mentioned above, if you were to fight with her, both going for your best, what do you think her rate of success would be? I always wondered about this, and maybe you can offer a perspective. P.S. Just realised, don't answer if this is weird as an instructor.

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing11 күн бұрын

    First to mention that there is nothing that can be said for absolute certainty when fencing anyone and even more if we go in the realm of fighting. That being said, if I have to fence her or whoever of my students with less than a year of training I can most probably get them clean 100% of the time if I want to. I know their movement patters and way of approaching a match. If I have to play it “for real” and am worried about a random attack I can bait them and follow up from there. It’s less so certain with other new people that I haven’t been teaching of course. And of course it’s possible that being certain of something is one’s downfall. So I would say that we shouldn’t underestimate new fencer but not be that worried about them :)

  • @FiliiMartis
    @FiliiMartis11 күн бұрын

    @@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing 🤣And here I thought noobs had something like 1:10 chance of success. The rain has stopped, I'm going to the garden for some extra sword practice... no reason.😅 And yes on baiting!😈

  • @johnwaller3146
    @johnwaller314613 күн бұрын

    Very cutty fencing for a thrust-centric weapon

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing13 күн бұрын

    My opponent is good at displacing thrusts, so I go for more cuts.

  • @funkyboodah
    @funkyboodah15 күн бұрын

    I'm ignorant of HEMA but it the footwork and motions kinda look like Eskrima and Kendo mixed together, very cool and fluid

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing14 күн бұрын

    Thank you for your comment. I guess you can see the long distance motions similar to kendo and the short distance plays are similar to the shorter weapons of Eskrima.

  • @josephgora9791
    @josephgora979115 күн бұрын

    First up, well done to both players. I doubt I'd last long against either of you. I will say though that I find it a bit disappointing that this is so little like rapier in the historical manuals. All cuts and running/aggressive passing attacks with very little lunging. I see more sidesword and even some broadsword methods being used. Of course it may be that this works well in a modern tournament setting. I don't want to say that it is 'worse', and certainly both players are highly skilled (some great use of timing and quick footwork), but I think this discrepancy and the direction of HEMA rapier should lead to further analysis and conversation - if nothing else.

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing15 күн бұрын

    Thank you for your comment. I have no idea how rapier is supposed to look like and a lot of people have very different opinions on that. For my part I study arming sword and Longsword and only play rapier very occasionally and at competitions.

  • @josephgora9791
    @josephgora979115 күн бұрын

    @@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing Thanks for your reply! I'd imagine you are an excellent sidesworder. One of the things I think about is to what extent the mission of HEMA is to reconstruct European martial arts as compared to create a competitive environment where martial skills are tested. I guess the assumption is that these goals will coincide, but there is always the possibility that these two goals will end up in conflict.This is not criticism of your fencing, btw! If people start winning rapier wth sidesword methods then that is something traditional rapierists will have to honestly deal with, and thats where the question of what we are trying to achieve comes to the fore. I suppose from a personal perspective I've been doing this for 33 years and am very curious as to the direction it takes (and has already taken - mostly for the better).

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing14 күн бұрын

    Not much of a sidesword fencer actually. It seems the semi-complex hilt bugs me a bit compared to the open hilts of the arming sword. At the same time it’s not really protected as the ones of rapiers. For the second part I would say it’s about personal choices and goals. People doing HEMA can have all sorts of ideas of what and why they are doing it. I want to recreate the fencing itself but am in no way focused on the historical teaching methodology. How accurate my interpretation of the sources is unknowable as far as I am concerned. The context of the time period is gone and I only truly have the current one - fence with friends in gear to try to hit them without being hit. That being said I have very little interest in competitions themselves and they were never my goal. Just another place to fence under pressure and with something “to win or lose”.

  • @josephgora9791
    @josephgora979111 күн бұрын

    @@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing Fair enough! I work and fence with basket hilts and have often wondered how much of a difference it would be to fence with a simple hilt. I must make one one day (making swords is also a hobby!)

  • @griffoncs6431
    @griffoncs643116 күн бұрын

    These rings seem way too small. The duelists can't even move.

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing16 күн бұрын

    They are big enough. We just don’t move around them too much

  • @fivesidedpixels4991
    @fivesidedpixels499119 күн бұрын

    I'm by no means the expert on montante usage, but these look lighter in motion than typical montantes, no? SIGI's stats list it at 1750-1950g, or 3.85-4.3 lbs. My Regenyei montante comes to 2350g/5.1lb, for comparison. And the PoB looks to be closer than other two-handers. SIGI lists 7-8cm, which is only 1cm further out than my SIGI King. Obviously I can't pass real judgement without trying it myself, but these seem to behave like slightly unwieldly longswords/feders rather than montante. While I understand the intent was to create a sparring-safe greatsword, I wonder if these changes make it too different from historical examples. The higher weight and PoB difference isn't negligible; it emphasizes and validates different body mechanics and techniques. I imagine adding another pound of steel to these blades would alter the resulting fencing even further. I can't remember the author, but I believe one of the Iberian manuals actually describes what to do in a montante vs. montante scenario (as rare as that might be). IIRC, they recommended largely favoring thrusts over cuts, since the action of cutting presented far too large of an opening in comparison. I would have loved to see whether this principle actually held water. Perhaps it would be better to market this as a "spadone", as that name is more associated with the lighter greatswords suited for Marozzo or similar Italian work.

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing19 күн бұрын

    Thank you for your comment. So first to say I am no expert in two handed swords as well and this was the first day I tried them out in anything outside waving them around solo. The two handed sword category is quite large and for my personal use I would say it's anything I cannot comfortably let go and use one handed unlike most longswords. For my size that's most things above 140 cm and weight at more than 1700 gr. I absolutely cannot use a sword of 2,3-2,5 kg. weight with any reasonable speed or control. As far as PoB - most sparring safe swords of any kind have lower PoB than sharp equivalents. However some can still move quite closely to sharp ones because of the different mass distribution across the blade. But this is surely a. sacrifice that is made with all swords so we can actually play with them. As far as using thrusts over cuts if you look closely at the video you will see that almost all successful hits were either from a thrust or started as a first intention thrust. Most wide cuts were much easier stopped and punished, specially starting with such. And for marketing I honestly can't say which are the most accurate terms, specially having in mind the options to add rings and lugs to the blade. They've said: "The Montante, also known as Spadone or Zweihänder, is the largest of the late medieval/renaissance swords of Europe"

  • @bastianbarx1509
    @bastianbarx150920 күн бұрын

    It´s more like an oversized longsword, than a montante/zweihænder/great sword. Still, it´s a beautiful sword. Thanks for sharing the video.

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing20 күн бұрын

    Swords are coming in a spectre and for me it certainly feels like a dedicated two handed sword.

  • @bastianbarx1509
    @bastianbarx150920 күн бұрын

    @@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing yes, of cause. You´re right. I just meant that it´s no where near the size of the historical great swords. You wouldn´t be able to fight with them like that, I think. But never mind, you probably know more about it than me. I´m just an armchair expert :)

  • @borislavkrustev8906
    @borislavkrustev890616 күн бұрын

    @@bastianbarx1509 It is at the size of historical great swords - they varied a lot. People like to fixate on the big ones in museums, but if you actually check around, you will find there are tons of swords which are bigger than longswords, but not as big as the heaviest two-handers.

  • @borislavkrustev8906
    @borislavkrustev890616 күн бұрын

    @@bastianbarx1509 To add to that, yes, this is absolutely not a representative of the 2-2,5 kg and the 115-130 blade length class. But you can argue that sources don't fixate on just the larger examples.

  • @Bounty_Hunter0000
    @Bounty_Hunter000020 күн бұрын

    What a great looking place for a sparing!

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing20 күн бұрын

    Yeah it’s really nice looking. It’s in the inner yard of a Teutonic fortified church in Romania

  • @VNSnake1999
    @VNSnake199920 күн бұрын

    this is SO MUCH COOLER than Olympic fencing !

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing20 күн бұрын

    Thanks. Though each sport has its own cool factors :)

  • @druzhoksapozhok
    @druzhoksapozhok21 күн бұрын

    I really like the technicality of the fighters, especially the Zwerchhau sets of the fighter in brown. But this video clearly shows the path where modern HEMA is developing. The desire for dominance in competitions leads to the fact that feders change the balance point with thinner and softer blades (the manufacturer says this is for safety, but guys, let's be honest) For now, we can understand what happened without the slow-motion video. But when will the day come when we can't? Are we going to use the blade's flexibility to throw it behind our opponent's blade? Now some of the strikes are more like a game of tag than a fight. How much time is left before this will be completely a game of tag, as has happened with other types of fencing before? I don't want this to sound like complaining, but this thought just suddenly came to me. I just think we should remember why we love HEMA more than the Olympic sabre

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing21 күн бұрын

    Thank you for your comment. Yes, my partner is very good at stopping a first strike and continuing with a set of Zwerchs. A couple of points on the swords themselves as I had my fare share of scepticism previously. A lot of fencers don't really care about competitions. From the people I personally know and their clubs - perhaps 1 in 5 at most goes to competitions and maybe 1 in 20 with the serious intent of trying to actually win. Most going are just doing it for fun and to travel and fence with other people. There are certainly those that do focus on tournaments but for most people it is at most a 2-3 times per year thing, while training is 2-3 times per week. So having safer lighter tools for us to do more and safer repetitions in the training halls is much more of a concern than getting some advantage at the occasional event. If HEMA will turn into a sport with lower hit quality requirements is not that connected to the swords themselves. Plenty of places even now have lower expectations of what is a valid hit than I do, but that doesn't necessarily produces bad fencers. As a direct example are the Slovaks where SIGI swords come from. Their competition have very low hit requirements but I have played with enough of them to know that they absolutely stomp me and many others as it has created very good fencers. Their ability to play a lot with safe tools has given them a training "edge" that we have to chase for years to get close to. So in short, I am not particularly worried that the game will change into a thing I will not enjoy doing. And the good thing with HEMA is that even if the tournaments become some unbearable game of tag, I have no need to go to them anyways.

  • @borislavkrustev8906
    @borislavkrustev890620 күн бұрын

    Blades are not softer - in fact, they have less wobble than some regular sized feders. They also would have clear disadvantages against heavier blades in competition. Whether a sword touch around the blade from flex is counter as valid depends on judges. Many of them have a hard time dealing with it with heavier blades too. I can assure you that the vast majority of strikes here were quite hard, and had they been done with a sharp blade, would've led to some devastating damage (excluding deliberate flat hits, like the one I throw at 1:36, because I see it might hit the back of the head). Define "a game of tag" more precisely.

  • @druzhoksapozhok
    @druzhoksapozhok19 күн бұрын

    ​@@borislavkrustev8906 >Define "a game of tag" more precisely. bruh.. you know what I mean, literally the first hit in this video, and you definitely would get a point for that in any comp I don’t really want to argue, to be honest, this is a beautiful sparring with good technique. I just had an thought and I voiced it, maybe we should just practice chopping more so as not to become too sport-oriented (at least for many of those I met at competitions in Russia)

  • @borislavkrustev8906
    @borislavkrustev890619 күн бұрын

    @@druzhoksapozhok Yes, I would get a point, it's a good hit. Have you done the same hit with a sharp? Do you know the kind of damage such a hit does? Get a longsword, sharp, buy a pig leg and try it. Then tell me it's "too sport oriented" :) Dude, I am not arguing - arguing implies there is a discussion to be had.

  • @luyang7781
    @luyang778119 күн бұрын

    @@borislavkrustev8906 can you rank their blades in terms of the wobbleness if you have handled them all? I've only handled a few models, old or new, a ranking would help me understand better...

  • @MartinFabian
    @MartinFabian21 күн бұрын

    Nice sparring!

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing21 күн бұрын

    Thank you Martin :)

  • @FedericoMalagutti
    @FedericoMalagutti21 күн бұрын

    Damn Sexy Bobo

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing21 күн бұрын

    Hahaha, sure. With his distinctive brown jacket :)

  • @borislavkrustev8906
    @borislavkrustev890621 күн бұрын

    @@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing What do you mean "hahaha", my sexyness has always been undeniable.

  • @josiasarcadia
    @josiasarcadia21 күн бұрын

    people complaining in the comments about flat hits aren't fencing fast enough. We are at the upper limit of what dry fencing allows at the elite level of historical fencing. Personally, if you can hit me, you can hit me. Not my job to call a flat.

  • @miroslavm2503
    @miroslavm250321 күн бұрын

    I love how you are defending an act that makes something pointless... then just slow down and do it proper.

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing21 күн бұрын

    I think there are two distinctive issues - the ability of fencers to strike edge on hits and the ability of judges to see if they were such. I firmly believe that as fencers we should aim to deliver edge on blows and that's part of the skill to develop. Higher level fencers should be able to alter their movements and develop their skills to do that most of the time without significant changes. And as you also said "if you can hit me, you can hit me" - most of the time it won't matter much in the way the exchange has occurred. It's my job to defend as a flat or edge hit is mostly the other person's mistake and I have no way of knowing it before that. On the side of judging though - yeah, I think we have reached the limit of what we can consistently accurately judge by eye alone. Even at non-Advanced tournaments, the final few matches can regularly not be accurately judged even with experienced judges. I have no real solution to that though and most other tournament organisers as well, so most places just accept that it will happen.

  • @josiasarcadia
    @josiasarcadia21 күн бұрын

    @@miroslavm2503 I actually work things extremely, glacially slow when I am trying to build a new motor habit or be precise. I record myself doing a thing, slow it down to .25x speed, then I do it slower than that till it's right, then speed it back up. I also do not expect perfect sparring. I expect to do thousands of reps at low, medium, and high intensity/speed to get things correct. My entire coach's approach on the Historical Fencing Channel. In any case whinging about flat hits is a cope. Put the time in. Git gud.

  • @josiasarcadia
    @josiasarcadia21 күн бұрын

    @@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing exactly, 100%. I am an ok fencer. I'm a decent judge. This last year alone I've spent hundreds of hours watching footage at .25x speed. That's what it takes to be good. There's also the likelihood that judging fencing requires people to perform at a certain level to be competent vs say other striking or grappling arts. You have to be able to perform at a certain level to even see anything. I hope to fence you some day btw!

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing21 күн бұрын

    Yes, I’ve been working a lot on getting better at fencing and judging and so do my students. The two skills help each other too. Would be happy to fence with you if we get the chance :)

  • @FiliiMartis
    @FiliiMartis23 күн бұрын

    I get to see the new SIGI Montante, and in a match against Martin Fabian to boot. 👍 You already answered that you still think they would be dangerous as a tournament weapon (something I wondered; they looked pretty safe in your match, but I guess restraint needs to be exercised). Somebody already mentioned that they look more like spadone in size (something I though and I agree with, even if they both are in the realm of two-hand swords; but depending on context, it's splitting hairs). You already addressed the degree to which you just use federschwert techniques applied to a larger weapon (something I observed). At this point, I think that SIGI Light and SIGI Montante can offer more variety to people that want to explore what can be done with longswords. I do wonder if longsword, as a tournament category, could be split into a smaller longsword and more grappling (so more armour half-sword combat), and a longer longsword (spadone) without allowing for grappling. But that's something that won't take place soon. At most, this is the start of being able to have that conversation. I also think that fragmenting weapon categories in the context of tournaments might not be the best, but that's a different discussion.

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing22 күн бұрын

    I am not saying it cannot be used in a tournament environment- just that we are not in this video. However certain restraint must be applied in my very limited experience, but same can be said about using some heavier and stiffer Longswords as well. As far as separating in categories according to weapons we will have two categories in our autumn competition - Longsword standard and Longsword light. Same rules but lighter weapon for people that want to be hit less. And armoured fighting does exist, it’s just way too few people doing it for cost purposes.

  • @FiliiMartis
    @FiliiMartis22 күн бұрын

    @@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing I'm happy to hear that you are already considering all of this for the tournaments you guys organise. I do have a lingering thought. Since you probably talked to others, and you know better, what's your view on standardising the "professional" tournament scene? Isn't there a fear of splitting the base if too many weapon categories are allowed?

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing21 күн бұрын

    I don't think "professional" tournament scene even exists beyond that some places get really good at doing their events. Most recent tournaments I've seen usually have their spots filled in regardless of the amount of categories presented. For example we now aim to increase our overall Longsword open spots with 10 people (20% increase compared to last year) but to have them split in the two categories.

  • @FiliiMartis
    @FiliiMartis21 күн бұрын

    @@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing "I don't think professional tournament scene even exists..." I am not going to disagree with you.😄But I'm nowhere close to organise any type of event... so, it wouldn't be right for me to say that. 😅

  • @FiliiMartis
    @FiliiMartis21 күн бұрын

    @@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing Btw, speaking of organising things, I saw your involvement outside Bulgaria and the country ball logo (the only way to represent nations in the Balkan area and not get into an argument😂😇). I'm happy that you (and colleagues) are bringing some HEMA love to the surroundings countries and strengthen HEMA in that part of Europe. 👍

  • @FiliiMartis
    @FiliiMartis23 күн бұрын

    0:49 Nice! Also 1:27 😃 So, are you proud of your students? Warning, it's a trap, only YES is acceptable. 😅

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing23 күн бұрын

    Oh yes, I am absolutely proud and happy go their play here and their progress before and after this event. When I get to it, I will make a video from this year's event as well :)

  • @FiliiMartis
    @FiliiMartis23 күн бұрын

    That looked fun! And Black Fencer should really add the Munich Town Guard as a standard offering (although they would probably agree to make one upon request).

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing23 күн бұрын

    I guess if someone asks, they will make another one. It wasn't that much more expensive than their other complex hilted swords.

  • @dmitriibrovko5737
    @dmitriibrovko573727 күн бұрын

    They took the montante, but use the federschwert technique

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing27 күн бұрын

    A lot of Longsword “techniques” don’t work too well actually. Liechtenauer’s five strikes have very limited usability. So it’s mostly simple cuts and thrusts or attempted feints at the proper distance

  • @blarpus
    @blarpus27 күн бұрын

    Turns out a two handed sword is a two handed sword

  • @spicketspaghet7773
    @spicketspaghet777327 күн бұрын

    Truthfully this is not a very good montante simulator. It's far too short and light. It's better as a spadone. At like, 4.15 lbs it's a good bit lighter than almost all historical examples of the weapon.

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing26 күн бұрын

    I haven’t really looked into the two-handed sword variants. But also am definitely on the smaller side compared to the people that would have used such swords historically - usually specifically pointed out to be very big and strong men. For me it’s a two-handed sword and very different in handling and what I can do with it compared to my usual longswords.

  • @nicopetri3533
    @nicopetri353319 күн бұрын

    I think it was Marozzo that wrote: In case you find yourself fighting another Montante. Fight as if you have a longsword. The wide strikes you find in the sources of Montante are there against other weapons. They aren't effective against another greatsword.

  • @ossian1977
    @ossian197727 күн бұрын

    Finally some montante sparring! I always hear "it s too dangerous" , " it can t be done" . Well here it is, and with steel!

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing27 күн бұрын

    Yeah it certainly can be dangerous specially with some other heavier examples. And we are definitely not playing “tournament level” intense. But still there is a lot of options to play with and it’s perfectly fine to do it like that.

  • @N38Productions
    @N38Productions29 күн бұрын

    Those effortless parries are so great

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing29 күн бұрын

    Thanks 🙏

  • @ultimomos5918
    @ultimomos591829 күн бұрын

    honestly looking great for a new student! Solid structure and intuition!

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing29 күн бұрын

    I think so too! She has watched a lot of fencing but only now starts and I am pretty happy with the super quick development.

  • @miroslavm2503
    @miroslavm2503Ай бұрын

    Most people who participant in tournaments have no, or very little, edge orientation awareness. It's litery an after tought.

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын

    Some people absolutely don’t care about edge or flat. Some try to go with edge on but it’s less of a concern. Most people I know do their best to work with the edge.

  • @miroslavm2503
    @miroslavm2503Ай бұрын

    Two of the hits where clearly flat hits, the fact that those counted as valid hits is all that is wrong and stupid about modern day HEMA tournaments. Just heard the other day from a friend who competed, than during the state tournament in Serbia, just recently (only for people from Serbia) in the smallsword category no clinch/wrestling was allowed.

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын

    Some tournaments allow flat hits and some don’t. There is plenty of variety of rulesets and everyone can choose what to attend. At this one they were allowed so no one can complain about them. I’ve only done one sparring and one tournament with smallsword so I have very limited view on it. But haven’t noticed much grappling even when it’s allowed so maybe it’s not much of a need there.

  • @josiasarcadia
    @josiasarcadia22 күн бұрын

    Cope I guess.

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing22 күн бұрын

    No clue what is that supposed to mean. But if you like to expand further perhaps?

  • @josiasarcadia
    @josiasarcadia22 күн бұрын

    @@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing I was replying to the OP, not yourself.

  • @miroslavm2503
    @miroslavm250321 күн бұрын

    @@josiasarcadia To say the least.

  • @timhema5343
    @timhema5343Ай бұрын

    Would the strike at 01:15 (flat rising "cut" to the hand with zero angle) would have been counted as a hit in this ruleset ? 🤔

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын

    In almost all cases yes. Several of those were counted in my matches too. Some with even less of a wind up(smaller arcs).

  • @timhema5343
    @timhema5343Ай бұрын

    @@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing I thought so, because after this one some very flat hits were counted. To be honest, I like all tournaments being different and with different rulesets, but in the last tournament where I was a ref, 75% of these hits would have been rejected (yours were fine)... Especially this very flat and very uncontrolled gayszlen at 02:52.

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын

    I would say this was of the more controlled and better one handed strikes I encountered. As far as tournaments goes - ruleset are known before sign up, so if I join something, that means I play their game and wouldn't not make a fuss about it. I have mixed feelings about flat and other hits that might be deemed low quality (speaking about incidental ones). On one side I have left myself open and the person has reached me, so I've made a mistake. On the other side, some of the flat and lower quality hits work with slightly different mechanic and look differently, so they can get to you quicker or more unexpected than a good hit. I try to accept both getting hit and myself hitting with the flat as my mistake as that can help me learn and improve. BTW my Zwerch on 01:07 was deemed low quality, which was my only real gripe a the whole event.

  • @timhema5343
    @timhema5343Ай бұрын

    ​ Thanks for the clarification. I have similar feelings about flat and low quality hits, I don't judge the same if they hit me or if I'm the one performing them. Your zwerch didn't feel low quality, but as usual it's the ups and downs of tournaments 🙂

  • @jspr1272
    @jspr1272Ай бұрын

    The headgear fling at 10:16 is one of the funniest thing I've ever seen in HEMA. Also do I spot some Pro Gauntlets there? Those seem to be hard to get ahold of these days.

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын

    Haha, yeah, it was funny. I have started doing it a lot lately btw. Might make a compilation of it :) Yes, my PG are still mostly alive but I don't use them too often. The company is out of business anyways so they are not coming back.

  • @jspr1272
    @jspr1272Ай бұрын

    @@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing you should! That would be hilarious.

  • @ultimomos5918
    @ultimomos5918Ай бұрын

    nice sparring! He's so deceptive with his range and his decisiveness and structure makes those thrusts deadly! Question, how do you like the light feders? I need a new feder and have been looking for something that will hold up for training and tourneys. Currently have a Gothic shorty but these seem like a great budget friendly option with the added benefit of being great for instruction! thanks!

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын

    Thank you. Yeah his distance management is what gets me as well as great mechanics. I absolutely love the light feders. Got myself a couple and started using them for everything. Specially for teaching, they are very pleasant to know that you can do many repetitions and the partner doesn’t suffer as much. For 1 on 1 sessions when you get hit a hundred times - perfect. That being said it has to noted that as with all training tools they do bring some artefacts in the play and only working with them may leave someone unprepared when they go for a more standard option. Also most competitions I know won’t allow them as being too light. My standard recommendation for students still remains the Sigi Concept Shorty as being the best middle ground. And those who can get lights already started ordering them too.

  • @ultimomos5918
    @ultimomos5918Ай бұрын

    @@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing awesome, thanks so much for your feedback! I appreciate your input here as I'm also a coach and the teaching aspect was another facet that drew me to them. I teach in Texas outside in the heat and as a result aside from full contact sparring we're rarely ever in jacket and full kit. This makes it a bit more difficult to drill at times as we're always having to dial back intensity to match the lack of protection which I'm sure you know introduces it's own artefacts In the training process. I feel the light feders could bridge that gap very well and as your video shows, allows for higher levels of intensity without a constant fear of injury! I'll definitely pitch them to my school and consider placing a bulk order but for my personal feder I think I might go the standard or concept route, can't go wrong with Sigi! Thanks again and best of luck in your training!

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын

    Glad I can be of help :)

  • @ucchamburg
    @ucchamburgАй бұрын

    das ist grottenschlecht, technikfrei und schlimmer als olympsches fechten, keine fussarbeit, ausgehoolte schläge schlechte stiche, die können ja garnichts

  • @PedroPanetto
    @PedroPanettoАй бұрын

    GREAT

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын

    Thank you

  • @JRT176
    @JRT176Ай бұрын

    @4:02 That right Zwerch was nasty. Excellent timing on that one!

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын

    Thanks, some worked well :)

  • @fpvba
    @fpvbaАй бұрын

    nice fight))

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын

    Thank you

  • @petritzky
    @petritzkyАй бұрын

    I have seen you fencing with the cobra wushu mask. What's your resumè on it? You haven't worn it for a while.

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын

    I generally like it and still use it. If you are in a place where you get a lot of strong strikes to the side and top - Zwerch, Schaitel, I think it’s the best thing to go for. I find the mesh to be too shallow, with a lesser ridge and close to the face which makes it non-ideal if you are receiving a lot of thrusts. Mine is also a bit too big for me and can move the mesh into my face in small but significant moments. As I am currently working a lot I thrusts and counter-thrusts, this makes the standard PBT a better choice. I also extremely dislike the synthetic material used for the padding of the mask. I have seen that they now offer a separate top and back of the head protector which should maybe be good enough, but you can place it on a mask of your choice.

  • @jasonjames9836
    @jasonjames9836Ай бұрын

    Been meaning to say this for a while, whatever camera you all record with, it is fantastic. Your fencing crew has some of the cleanest, crispest footage out there... Along with some excellent conversations in steel. Thanks for putting it out there for us.

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын

    Thank you for your kind words. I am glad that people like it. Almost all of the videos are filmed with an iPhone 11 :) as long as it’s bright enough it works perfectly fine.

  • @jspr1272
    @jspr1272Ай бұрын

    That Munich Town Guard Sword is gorgeous. Would that technically be a sidesword?

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын

    It sure is. Yes, I would classify it as a sidesword with complex hilt. Some places like to classify those as rapiers because of the guard type but for me it’s a sword.

  • @jspr1272
    @jspr1272Ай бұрын

    @@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing thank you for your reply!

  • @DctrBread
    @DctrBreadАй бұрын

    nice to see such clear 60fps footage

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @ucfj
    @ucfjАй бұрын

    Not easy to defend with such a small buckler. For a real fight I'd surely bring a bigass scutum & hope the op brought a buckler

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын

    Those bucklers are about average size. Sure a bigger shield will protect better but is also harder to carry around

  • @user-rh2bg6qv7p
    @user-rh2bg6qv7pАй бұрын

    Грязная техника...может соперник неудобный, мое мнение

  • @behelitruler9191
    @behelitruler9191Ай бұрын

    damn, there were some devious entries into measure by that sidesword user in a few of those exchanges

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын

    Thank you. Yeah some of them worked really well :)

  • @wohl3r
    @wohl3rАй бұрын

    Beautiful fencing! Really taking some moves from here 🙊

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын

    Thank you

  • @shaharyitzhaik59
    @shaharyitzhaik59Ай бұрын

    is this event open for everyone? i'd really like to join

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын

    Yeah it’s an open event and the next edition will be happening next weekend - 10-12.05.2024.

  • @frenchgalloglass5204
    @frenchgalloglass5204Ай бұрын

    What a beautiful place to fence

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын

    Yep historical sight

  • @Re-Zero-EMT
    @Re-Zero-EMTАй бұрын

    Great video!

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it

  • @koroslak
    @koroslakАй бұрын

    0:47 was 👌👌👌

  • @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing
    @AngelChernaevHistoricalFencingАй бұрын

    Thank you :)