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This is one of the main reasons that gringos leave Ecuador or chose to not make it their home. Viveza criolla is why immigrants are Gringo'd (cheated) and why such kind, loving people are not always trusted, as their lies are expected to be accepted. & yes, these are lies. Choosing to allow viveza criolla to be such a major part of the culture, is so disrespectful. For instance, the incredibly loud music played all night, so one cannot sleep or showing up 2 hours late, or not at all without a valid reason or apology. I, one who loves Ecuador and Ecuadorians, am having second thoughts about moving to such a culture.
as a colombian who loves my country and people, you are spot on that this is pervasive in the culture with destructive consequences. However, I think what you described could be a characteristic of any person on earth. The reason it's pervasive here is because a lack of rule of law. Everywhere where rule of lack is lacking and the law is permissive, you will find that individuals that have such characteristics thrive. If you believe in an evolutionary aspect of culture, individuals that adopt this behavior do better and those than don't get taken advantage of, so with these types of structural characteristics the incentive on individuals is to effectively behave like this. I think you should consider doing a more well-rounded structural analysis of why this is the case and how institutional factors play into the culture. You could say that the culture comes first and then the institutions, but i think the relationship is more complex than that.
Not to generalise but this is actually may be true in former Spanish colonies. This is also true in the Philippines but as far as I can remember it was more rampant in the 80s and the 90s. I’m not pretty sure if things have improved for the good but I still know of people getting gov positions without having merit. We call it the ‘padrino’ system. I must agree that if one looks local and able to communicate in Spanish or Portuguese you should survive the streets of Latin America. My Spanish aint perfect for a heritage speaker but I did survive the streets of South America.
Thanks for this video. I’m from the USA and love the Spanish language and latin culture and never heard of this term before although heard of some of the actions you described as existing and somewhat common in Latin America.
The viceroyalties of New Spain (from Panama to Alaska , Arkansas, Tennessee ,Florida...) and Peru (South America) were richer (comparatively) than the US is today. They were richer than the Central one in Spain. AND the rich lands are still here and just as rich. BUT THIS HAPPENED : 1) The competent Hapsburgs did not leave an heir in Spain. 2) The incompetent , orgiastic, and totally corrupt French Bourbons come to the throne. 3) Through incompetence and corruption they weakened the empire from the inside out. 4) Looters with the label of "Patriots" rise with their armed gangs of "liberators" and dismembered the weak empire. 5) The "patriot liberators" , being the gangs that they were , NEVER shared the fragments they took over 6) TODAY Latin America is still governed by regional looters called Presidents that get into power through void rhetoric AND NEVER GET TOGETHER with the other looters, as gangsters never share territory. THUS there is a United States in North America BUT NEVER a United States in South America....I am born in raised in Latin America and hoped this was not the case but it is.
Tu peluquero está haciendo un gran trabajo. ¡Avanza!
What culture ?. Poverty misery violence pr0stitut1on drugs crime corrupt Low salaries high taxes red tape Begging backwards superstitious Ive been to every country in latin america and speak fluent spanish Not impressed with any of them Argentina was only place that was so so
And philippines same thing
Thanks a million GM Ace.... Haven't seen you for a while in here but, what I just hear you say now is, what I've experienced in many European countries as well.. I think it has more to do with humanity than nationality.. Many years ago, I did a job in Osló, Norway and, I was there for roughly 6 Months.. I met this Brazilian guy and we spoke about our differences and similarities in our countries. - Before we finished our talk, we had come to the agreement, that most of our experience is very much the same and, we are all raised to believe things about our countries which often, are more lies than truths.. I could write a novel about this dear Ace but, I prefer to travel to the countries I find interesting instead and, I know I'll find out on my way, what I like and what I don't like.. ❤️❤️❤️ Thanks a lot for sharing and, I still look so much forward to Ecuador and all her people 🤗🌹
The last time me and my Ecuadorian born & raised wife were in Ecuador was May/June 2022. At the airport, the Ecuadorian immigration official at passport control tried to solicit a bribe from my wife. He asked her for her Ecuadorian cedula when she handed him her US passport; she told him that she does not have a cedula, as she is a US citizen…he responded stating that she can’t depart the country without a cedula because she was born in Ecuador and that he was willing to overlook it….while motioning with his hand that he wanted money. My wife took out her phone and simply responded that she was calling the US Consulate in Guayaquil (whenever we travel we always make sure to notify beforehand and have the US Embassy and local US Consulate #s on our phones). He handed her passport back to her and told her she needs to get a cedula next time she visits Ecuador….. But, she doesn’t have to and can’t…because of the job.
My parents are Mexican but am American and do not follow the my family's culture " Drinking, smoking , getting so many relationships, play loud Spanish music " Do not travel to Latin America so basically only travel to Canada or East Asia I made my own thing " Do not drink, work out, isolation , follows the franks culture,listening to Jpop
Finally an honest talk about Latinos that everyone has been turning a blind eye to. I live in Southern California and I have been dealing with Viveza Criolla everyday and it wears down on your spirit. I am seriously considering moving away from the Latinos concentrated area because of this negative energy. Thank you very much for your sincerity and courage to speak about it. We can only fix things when it is put into light. You get a thousand thumb ups for me 👍 👍 👍 👍
You're biased. I don't think this is exclusive to Latin America. This is everywhere even in the U.S. and Canada. Maybe you see less often.
I live in Canada and Chinatown restaurants have two menus, in English and in Mandarin. Different prices btw 😂.
The reason no one talks about this term is probably because there is nothing specific to Latin America about it. You will find most of what you described in Russia and other post-Soviet countries, as well as in Southeast Asia, the Middle East, etc.
I've lived in Bogota for years. It's probably an exception but I find that Colombians do talk about this and criticize it. They call it "vivos y bobos."
A great analysis. Interesting that it is not talked about much. You hit the nail on the head. Viveza Criolla destroys the possibility of trust and that is a National or Continental tragedy - because there are so many people who deserve to be trusted and deserve to trust.
solid vid. I do not miss this lol...I was in my 2nd day ever in the country and had to pay off cop on the street lol... it got worse from there ....Ecuador is so corrupt that it permeates every aspect of life there... 2 years of that was enough. For me the only reason people keep coming is because its so cheap. I used to ask expats if they could live the same way ( meaning the costs ) back home...would they have moved to Manta? 80% said they would not have moved. Is what it is.
no one has to be perfcet because we can always be better is a great reminder
Enemy of the state
Im glad you are talking about this. I’m Ecuadorian-American and this is something that is rampant in our culture and in Latin America as a whole. What’s worse is many immigrants bring that same frame of mind to the countries they migrate to when that’s one of the problems of their countries of origin to begin with. Great vid, Ace! Saludos desde NYC! I’m subscribed!
This has been happening for a very long time but like you said it has never been talk about. Great video Ace. Can you update on how things are in Ecuador. Is it ok to visit now?
This is a very frank and honest explanation. Good job Ace. Just got back from two weeks in Ecuador and had an amazing time. We didn't make it to the coast, but I found that engaging in conversation and getting to know people really dispels a lot of the misconceptions and potential hazards. Thank you as always for all the effort you put into your work.
Merci for your video. I appreciate your talents and character.
Merci for this important video. Retirees are normally from the middle class in the USA who didn't save enough for retirement. Others come to Ecuador to achieve a lower cost of living to rid themselves of the heavy debt they accumulated while continue working in the states via the internet and also make videos for money too. Others are just plain lowlifes. There is no video but yours who have informed prospective visitors or residents. I came to Ecuador. It is a lovely country but not good for the elderly for all the reason you mentioned. They do not speak Spanish and are too trusting. Too many are relieved of everything they own. This includes international health insurance canceling their insurance the first time it was needed. My suggestion is go to a decent country like France where you do not need to speak French, healthcare is universal and the best in the world. France doesn't tax your Social Security or Pensions.
France is in turmoil right now because of all the illegals and very expensive
WOW, Excellent teaching, I love your definition of “viveza criolla” rooted in your American/Ecuadorian life experience. Few people talks about it, and I understand their reasons. I have studied cultural anthropology, sociology, psychology in Ecuador as well as in the states and I never heard from any of my professors about the “viveza criolla”
About the working topic, it’s called “palanquear”. Very common in the public sector in all Latin America. Happens EVERYWHERE in the world but in latam is like 10 times worse!
This is on point. As an Ecuadorian, viveza criolla is the only thing I hate about my country, no wonder why we have so much corruption- it’s rooted in the culture. Latinos complain all the time about our corrupt politicians but can’t see that they’re just a reflection of us. I have very strong principles that don’t go with Ecuadorian culture, for example, I would never ever bribe a cop, like most people do in Ecuador (I really mean it when I say MOST people do that) I even moved to Europe because of this, NOT because of the crime!
France was my choice. I rejected Latin America due to their corruption even though I speak perfect Spanish.
I think you are Anti prophet
I use the words "Reliable Corruption". It's how we get anything done. This is also a "favor" economy which is how we make and keep "friends in good places". Great video, brilliant.
I love Ecuador but this is DEFINITELY true. It is also definitely EVERYWHERE in Latin American culture. Price hike we all "El Precio de Gringo". I am 6'5" tall and blonde and blue eyed. So, I like to use humor to lower the price "No soy Gringo! So Ecuatoriano!" I say indignantly. They laugh heartily and about 50% of the time lower the price. But not to a Non-Gringo level usually.
Love the haircut, man.
In India, we have a similar term: "Jugaad" Same issues that you mention are prevalent in the Indian subcontinent, and it was only when I was exposed to a Western Society (The Netherlands and Germany) in my early adulthood that I was exposed to a completely different world! - Price hike for foreigners (especially for Westerners), sometimes, even within India, since we are a nation of extreme variety of cultures - Adherence to the law only to avoid repercussions! - Lack of responsibility - inability to take responsibility - Corruption (connections/"pahunch" and money/"rishwath") We have other problems, like, apparent different treatment (in practice, of the Law) for the elite compared to the poor or simple! Just last week, a rich man's "elite" son at 17 runs his Porsche at 160 km/h through busy streets after midnight and kills 2 adults! And he got a VIP treatment from the Police, until the people (through social media and the almost "lap-dog" media) raised their protests, so that the Police started becoming serious!
Merci for your comment.
Another problem that some in my group has tried to warn you and other Ecuadorians about is the Expats that are coming here and have been here for years. You are not asking yourself WHY? Why are they leaving their own countries? Are they trying to escape something? Were they difficult or failures in their own countries? Most Expat men are coming here marrying or dating Ecuadorian women that the women themselves are tryng to latch onto Expats out of desperation mostly. Why? Were they difficult to live with in their own countries? Do they feel the need to make others think they are more than what they are? Many very popular Expats living in and running or on Facebook groups here are not what they seem and if you dont tow the line they will remove you from their groups as we have seen this practice for years. The Cuenca groups are the worst but so are others. They will make up lies to remove people simply for having differences in opinions. These are so called well respected people but really they are not what they seem. But when our group tries to warn others they go running back to the very people we are talking about because the Ecuadorians trusts them. We have been here for years but feel that maybe its time to either go home or move elsewhere. So you decide. Sadly people are not all that they seem and its not just the Ecuadorians though we do understand what you are saying. Goodluck
Merci for your comments. Much appreciated. It is often the case that Americans on Facebook and KZread are there to sell, make money, and get more for themselves while throwing everyone else under the bus.
@@ParisianThinker you obviously missed the whole point and no where did we mention Americans making money. In fact its usually the Latinos that latch onto the Expats wanting to make money. We can think of one couple in particular where the man is Ecuadorian and the wife is American. They act like everyone's friend but when they see that they cannot get money from you they disappear yet everyone seems to think that they are so great.
I want to start this by emphasizing that not every Ecuadorian or expat is like what's been described here, and we've definitely met some amazing people from both groups here. These are people we never would have crossed paths with if we stayed in the USA, and I love that we've had that opportunity. That said, you are absolutely correct. The types of people you're describing are definitely around, and tbh, I've been very shocked by how many there are, especially in the expat community. I'm not terribly surprised that people like that have been filtering down from North America, but to see a concentration like this in one place is a sight to behold 🤣
I would call it poverty. Applicable anywhere around the world.
We were dirt poor in the US growing up but we didn't screw people over to survive. No its mostly Latin American Culture. They will always be third world countries for these reasons. But to them its normal behavior and do they dont see a need for change
@@MeMe-DGAF You were dirt poor in the US, but you also had opportunities to get out of poverty. In many third world countries people don"t have that chance.
Is this a problem in Argentina as well?
Wow, thanks for putting a name to what I’ve observed in my almost two years of residency in EC. Still enjoying EC and just appreciate life as it is here.
First time hearing the term viveza criolla. Makes sense though. Makes me appreciate the U.S. Will our Latin American cultures ever change? Ojalá. 🙏🏽
It's certainly alive and well in Costa Rica. I moved here 30 years ago and speak fluent Spanish (according to people here and in Medellin that I know). I didn't know there was a term for it. People talk about "tico time" (Costa Rican time), but I think that's all a part of it. I get so sick of people meeting me and because I look so Northern European, they assume I can't say a word in Spanish and 30 seconds later they're looking for a way to take advantage of me. It has made me very leery of trusting people, that's for sure. A real emotional drag.
That's the reason after travelling to every Latin country, I live in Europe and not there. Uruguay was the best out of the lot.
Ace...come up to California and be our governor, Or at least our mayor. We all need your respect for law and order. ♡
Expats call it getting "Gringoed".
That's what it is. 😄
Excelente video Ace, lo disfrute como no tienes idea! En definitiva, los viajes nunca saldran como se planifican, por eso es una aventura 😸 Para la proxima en Salango, podrian preguntar en el Centro de turismo comunitario, ahi esta la casa comunal y brinda alojamiento a precio económico, yo realice para el centro de turismo comunitario un plan de marketing digital, hace un par de años y me quede enamorado de la comunidad 🙌❤ Me alegro mucho que la hayas pasado genial! Las risas nunca faltaron 😂 Espero pronto tener una moto y poder unirme a las aventuras 🫶
Before I even start watching this video I will say in my time here I simply dont trust Latinos. Their word is simply an afterthought and if they are friends with you its probably because they want something from you. If you stand up for yourself it will somehow be your fault as its never theirs. I have lived in several countries and though I am loving my experience I cannot see this as any permanent home. Problem is is that they are bringing that mentality to the US by the millions coming across the border. Great video BTW
Great Job Ace. I am here in Manabi volunteering at a school. I really like the video about the traditional food. Me gusta que el video fue en español e ingles. Bien hecho amigos....🦘 Peter de Australia
As an Ecuadorian American I have heard about this through my Ecuadorian family and it has been the hardest to deal with. Although this can also be experienced In other parts of the world, I‘ve never experienced it so deeply rooted to the culture. Something else I’ve experienced culturally as a returned Ecuadorian who left at 8-1/2 and returned to retire here in Ecuador two years ago at 63, is the “returned syndrome,” which is when Ecuadorians treat “gringos” better, then other Ecuadorians, last the returned Ecuadorian. It’s like the Ecuadorians feel that they have to cut our “returned” legs off, to bring us down to size, sort of speak, to show us we are no better than they are. It is quite daunting. At first I thought I was overly sensitive, until my gringo friends also were noticing and unprompted by me, point it out or mention it to me.
As an Ecuadorian American I have heard about this through my Ecuadorian family and it has been the hardest to deal with. Although this can also be experienced In other parts of the world, I‘ve never experienced it so deeply rooted to the culture. Something else I’ve experienced culturally as a returned Ecuadorian who left at 8-1/2 and returned to retire here in Ecuador two years ago at 63, is the “returned syndrome,” which is when Ecuadorians treat “gringos” better, then other Ecuadorians, last the returned Ecuadorian. It’s like the Ecuadorians feel that they have to cut our “returned” legs off, to bring us down to size, sort of speak, to show us we are no better than they are. It is quite daunting. At first I thought I was overly sensitive, until my gringo friends also were noticing and unprompted by me, point it out or mention it to me.
How would someone react if you said that phrase when they give you a gringo price? I have said no, no precio gringo, precio vecino.
If you want to stop destroying , get all the latin american's out of my country than we have a lot of houses, that we need. Another thing. Maybe you can learn te speak with your mouth and learn how to articulate !!! Take SPEECH LESSONS YOU ARE USING YOUR VOICE IN THE WRONG WAY.
This is why I don’t go back to Ecuador. I was born on the coast in Ecuador but grew up in the US and have fully adopted and integrated into the culture of the US. Growing up, I spent months during the year in Ecuador with my father where I learned Spanish and became accustomed to the culture year after year, and although I love the people and my family there, I absolutely do not have patience for this kind of behavior. I once watched an aunt bribe an Ecuador DMV employee to give her a passing car inspection on a brand new car. I was once witness to a tenant literally chasing down her landlord to fix numerous problems in her rented home. I’ve known multiple people who have died young in motor vehicle accidents due to reckless driving. I watched an uncle try to convince someone to hire him for an engineering job by trying to win them over with a free meal. I remember that same uncle promise to do some work on my father’s land on a certain date only to show up a week later all the while he was promising he was on his way everyday. I have more examples but what also sticks out is the crime, my father’s best friend growing up had to go into hiding due to being extorted and over the years I grew up hearing stories about relatives or friends being killed by local crooks. I could go on but I won’t. I know these problems exist all over but no where have I seen them so common place than in Ecuador, and I’ve lived on each coast of the US and Hawaii (military). I love my family and experiencing the culture in small segments but could never live there, I feel like everyone is unreliable. I don’t mean any disrespect with this post but you hit the nail on the head with this video in regard to the many frustrations I experienced there in the past. Thank you.
I suppose I've started to notice a tendency to avoid or deny responsibility for something at any and all cost. Or to start by flatly denying that a product or service is ever offered even if you had just bought it there a day or two earlier. Or conversely to say that something is fine when it is clearly broken. These blend into each other sometimes. Am I imagining it?
Viveza Criolla definitely exists in the USA (and throughout the world I'm sure) but I've seen it quite a lot more in Ecuador since moving to Cuenca full time. 😵💫
It might exist, but lawyers are there to sue you and to jail you too.
@@ParisianThinker exactly ... it might exist, but I dare you to try to bribe a traffic cop with $50 - $100 when you're about to get a DUI anywhere in the Developed world, not just the USA ... and let's see how that works out for 'ya