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Thank you for helping me decide, I’m going to go with the jpc 1.0 👍🏼
@josephmanz303818 күн бұрын
You are absolutely right. I had more control in pathfinder school than Jumpmaster school. I graduated pathfinder school APR2023 and I’m currently in Jumpmaster and I was on an emotional rollercoaster with JMPI. I passed on my 5th attempt.
@josephmanz303818 күн бұрын
You are absolutely right. I had more control in pathfinder school than Jumpmaster school. I graduated pathfinder school APR2023 and I’m currently in Jumpmaster and I was on an emotional rollercoaster with JMPI. I passed on my 5th attempt.
@MartyHerbert-fv6bn18 күн бұрын
Great video. Pathfinder grad from 93 and Jumpmaster grad in 92. Pressure since was an Abn Co Cdr when a Pathfinder slot came open last second. Hard school to get and didnt want to get embarrased. Pathfinder more math and have to study and be able to implement formulas (DRT/ DKAV) - Jumpmaster is stress x 100 and most stressful course to include Ranger (85 grad) Still remember tracing that saddle and smacking the leg and hearing I was a GO. Wear my Master Wings proudly as an old retiree still 😎
@JustJoeKane28 күн бұрын
Bring back LRS
@carlosleonardogomezhidalgo1573Ай бұрын
The only question that I have is this one: I see most people who wear those tactical pants with pads that they don’t blouse them to wear boots. So those pants are made different? Or you can still blouse them when you wear boots
@user-rf8cq4bw2w2 ай бұрын
How’s the elasticity around the waist? Thanks for the review.
@edwardmeade37322 ай бұрын
I graduated Jumpmaster School in Nov '06 and Pathfinder School in Nov "07, both were taught by HHC 1-507th PIR at Benning and both were the normal three week versions... I can say without any reservation that Pathfinder School was more difficult, and Jumpmaster School was way more stressfully. It was more stressful because you knew after day one that you would never be fast enough to pass JMPI in the five minutes you were given (so we thought). It was a self-inflicted mental stress. We were the 2nd class of the FY when I went to jumpmaster school and we had no idea when we arrived that the Nomenclature exam would include both the old T-10/ MC-1 style harness and the new MC-6 (SF-10 main w/ T-11 reserve) style harness, and that going forward, we were to learn two different sequences simultaneously. Up to this point Jumpmasters students were allowed only a single retest after a JMPI failure. Our class was allowed a 2nd retest if you maintained at least an 80% on all exams prior to JMPI test day, of course most people would not get the 80% on the Nomenclature exam because we were unaware of the change to the POI prior to attending. I was able to eek out an 80% on the first exam, somehow and was eligible to receive the 2nd retest. I had partially torn the ligament in the elbow of my working hand just prior to the course, so every time I would jam my hand down into those tight JM school rigs, it was like someone jammed an ice pick into my elbow, this made my experience seem much more difficult. We would draw training rigs from the school house on weekends to practice our JMPI in order to get faster, which seemed like a futile effort at the time, especially with the condition of my elbow. I told myself I could live with failing JMPI on time, if I did everything else right, and ended up failing the course. I failed on time by well over a minute my first attempt, which was the first test I had ever failed in the Army, but I could live with that, because its an unrealistic time standard that you will never be held to again, and any jumper I had inspected would be good to go. Now I would go balls out to pass it, but after a recovering from multiple sequence violations on the reserve of the second jumper on attempt two, I missed a major and failed it again. The 3rd and final attempt would be the one and i would pass with about two seconds left. As for Pathfinder school, like most Army schools I attended, every test or exam receives only a single retest. The final written exam at Pathfinder school was the big one that everybody talks about. In 2007 it was 50 questions, 10 each in five different categories. You had 75 minutes to complete the entire test. If you failed one section, you would retest that one section, if you failed two sections you would retake those two sections, three or more sections would retake the entire test. You would receive only 15 minutes per section on the retest. Formulas was by far the hardest section, in my recollection it was all story problems, some requiring multiple formulas to solve the problem (D=RT, T=D/R, D=KAV) and also 1NANOS. It was recommended to do the Formulas section first, and then the two sections you thought you new best next before time runs out, because no one is going to pass formulas in just 15 minutes if you fail it. I did not heed this advice and answered the questions in order from 1-50. The formulas section was questions 41-50 on my exam and as I looked up at the clock after the first 40 questions I had completed them in 37 minutes, leaving 38 minutes to complete the final 10 questions. as I neared the final couple questions I realized I was running extremely low on time and needed to hurry on those last couple question, I had no time to double check my math like I would normally do. In my case it worked out and I received either a 96 or 94% on the final. Final thought... anyone who has attended Jumpmaster school understands the phrase "Inspecting Ghost Jumpers in the shower"
@Bryan_Master_Blaster2 ай бұрын
Pathfinder school - for me - was relatively simple. But for good reason - I went through Pathfinder in 1984, as a young Army Reservist. I was assigned to the 5th Pathfinder Platoon at Ft Meade, MD. At the time, most of the NCOs in the unit were Vietnam Veterans, with varied combat experiences. My Team Sergeant ("Doc" - he was a Combat Medic in the 1st Cav Div in Vietnam, as well as having been part of the 82d Abn Div. I joined the 5th Pathfinders in 1983, and Doc ran me through the paces. Nobody was sent to Ft Benning for Pathfinder school until the NCOs of the platoon agreed that a team member was ready. Land Nav training was constant, with different challenges set in the way. I did DZs and HLZs, Doc often putting me in charge of establishing and setting my team members to work. Sling loading was another task we often practiced. Sling loading - One weekend the 5th Pathfinders was tasked to come to the Pentagon and sling load huge HVAC units to the roof. A CH-47 was tasked, came collected us, and we flew to the Pentagon and spent an afternoon Reserve drill sling loading gear on the Pentagon! Great - and different - experience. The summer of 1984, Doc felt that I was ready for Pathfinder school, and so I made the drive down to Ft Benning. Having gone through Airborne school in 1981, it was nice being back. The Pathfinder course - in my opinion - was challenging in that there were a number of academic requirements in order to pass. First day was Land Nav course. Two tries to pass. Fail the second time, and you're out of the course. We were required to pass evaluations 1) as Team Leader on a field problem, 2) as an Assistant Team Leader on a field problem, 3) demonstrate proficiency in communication with an aircraft in flight (and guiding it in to your HLZ). Because of how I was pushed by my unit prior to Pathfinder school, I passed each task. Doc helped instill me with confidence. Jump Master school. I eventually enlisted Active Duty and served in 5th Special Forces Group (I was an Intelligence Analyst, not a tabbed SF guy), and made the trip to Ft Benning for the JM course. This was in 1996, and I had been on jump status both Reserve and Active Duty for 15 years. Several of the JM guys I served with all recommended that I study nothing as far as the nomenclature exam, which was administered on day 1 of JM school. I was told that the nomenclatures frequently change and that I needed to study the charts we were given when we reported to the JM school. I studied my ass off, and the following day passed the nomenclature test. It was my understanding, at the time, that this was a requirement to continue on the course. While Pathfinder school was academically challenging, Jump Master school was extremely stressful. The "BIG" thing which dropped students was that infamous JMPI exam. In '96 the standard was JMPI test in the morning. Fail your JMPI, then you get one re-test in the afternoon. Fail this, and you were dropped from the course and sent home. And the fact was, there were several students in my JM class who had returned for 1st, 2d, or even 3rd try. Good Troops too.
@bushkey3 ай бұрын
this helped alot. thank you
@CWD20064 ай бұрын
Jumpmaster and then Pathfinder is amazing . I say that because that's truly the easiest way to pass the course. Great points about the difference in Air Assault and PF. For record, I passed JM easily, passed DZSTL ( short , but separate course} , and almost failed PF because of sling loads. My advice for these thinking courses, find somebody more experienced than yourself.
@CWD20064 ай бұрын
I should add, I was a tabbed E-4 JM in 2/75 and then passed PF in 173rd LRSD more than 10yrs later.
@Prariedog4 ай бұрын
Thx for the info ,ill be getting the 1 🎉🎉🎉
@geovanydelgadillo-dewitt15044 ай бұрын
Im nervous man because my writing is not good because English is my second language and im leaving in two months to BLC
@pfdrtom5 ай бұрын
I was out of the army for years when I read somewhere that Air Assault School is the "ten toughest days in the army". I spit my beer out laughing. Whoever came up with that lie had never been to ranger school...and I went when there was still a desert phase. Former Cco 509th Pathfinders.
@ThisGuy--5 ай бұрын
What are the odds that the one grader your talking abouts name started with an H and ended with an NS🤔🤬
Ah the good ole love hate relationship between 11 B's and 19 D's. Well listen here grunt when we Scouts set up The Land Nav course for you E.I.B candidates I love how many of yall failed NOGO at land nav. From couldn't give a 6 digit grid from your starting point to just straight couldn't read a map. But keep on there Infantry Recon. If You Ain't Cav You Ain't Shit! hooah 3 Gulf Out.
@AirCav245 ай бұрын
Just to correct some of the information here. Each state sets the rules for the G20 in that state. Up until 3 years ago my state didn’t do one at all. Now that they do they only award G20 to high 10 in each rifle and pistol. My state (Tennessee) only allows NG members to compete for the G20. If I am not mistaken, Arkansas awards 8 for rifle, 8 for pistol and 2 for sniper. Your state may be different. Also with the EIC there are several EIC matches, National Match in several discipline’s, for the military is the Combat EIC events which are only allowed for current military members. You can look up national match EIC for those badges but combat EIC works much different. Combat EIC must be done in Combat gear, National Match EIC matches are held wearing ears, eyes and not much else depending on the shooter. For the Combat EIC Pistol is 4 distances, 30 standing (60 seconds), 25 standing to kneeling to prone, (45 seconds) 20 standing (20 seconds), and 15 standing (15 seconds). Max score is 200. Each string is 2, 5 round mags with a reload on the clock. Combat rifle starts at 25 yards behind the 400, 90 seconds to run to 400 mark and take 10 shots prone unsupported. I forget the time but then you do the same at 300. 200 is shot kneeling, and 100 is shot standing. Then 75, 50 and 25. Each string has 2 targets and you have to put 5 rounds in each. Also shot with the same EIC target as the pistol. Max score is 250. For the EIC badge, it is awarded to the top 10% of match shooters that have not been awarded the Distinguished Shooters Badge in that discipline. The EIC badge is the first step to the Distinguished Shooter Badge. The EIC and Distinguished Shooter badges are awarded by the Army Marksmanship unit. Each EIC badge will have a “LEG POINT” value depending on the size/level of the competition. State, Local or Division and lower match’s are 4 points and you can only earn those the first time you leg. Corps, regional (MAC as the NG calls it) are worth from 6, 8 or 10 depending on how big a match is. From your first leg points until you acquire 20 point will be a bronze badge. From 20 to 30 is a Silver and 30+ is Gold unless you have your “Hard Legs”. To get the Distinguished Shooter Badge some of your legs must be from a National Level Match such as the Army Small Arms Championship or The NG Wilsons, these are the Hard Legs. As the video is a couple of years old there has been some changes, rifle can now be shot with optics not just irons, Optics can be red dot or magnified not to exceed 4x. ACOG and ELCANs are the norm. The optics may have dots attached to the optic but not separate from for the shorter range targets where speed is important. The pistol is generally shot with the M17/18 as the new sidearm. Also if you are guard dont be surprised if the air guard isnt competing at the guard match’s also. And dont let them fool you cause they are Air Force. They can shoot. Tennessee has won several competitions with an Air Guard unit or a team with Air Guard members including the Wilson’s. There was a question as to a guard member can shoot at another states match. Again this will vary state to state. TN is pretty friendly about it if ammo is available. it is my understanding that unless they put a cap on the amount of shooters the rules say they have to allow “walk ons” for the EIC match. They dont have to give you anything but the ammo for that match. This may not be a challenge for pistol. But take a rifle from TN up to Ohio and not get a chance to zero under those conditions with that lot of ammo and it can be difficult. The “X” ring on the EIC target is slightly smaller than a pack of cigarettes, and shooting at that from 400 yards with a 4 power scope sucks and you better know your dope that day with that ammo and that gun. If you plan to attend a match in another state check with them first and see what the constraints are. If possible shoot the entire match not just the EIC. For my state each match is normally 300-350 rounds in 3 days for the rifle and then again for the pistol. My state holds rifle and pistol different months. If you are guard/reserve you need to be on some sort of status, most common is either split drill or Points no pay orders. That way you are covered if you are injured. I got my G20 last year for pistol and Pistol EIC the year before that with the M17. This year I will hopefully be doing my regional MAC match for more EIC points on Pistol. One more thing on local vs regional and higher match’s. In a local match EIC legs are awarded to the top 10% that don’t already have them, regional its the top 10% that are not distinguished. So let’s say you attend your state match and out of 50 shooters, you are number 6 but Number 1 and 2 already have EICs. Then you get one. But go to the regionals and out of 50 shooters you are number 6 all 5 above you will get them as long as they have not been awarded the Distinguished Shooter badge for that weapon. This is how they are getting the leg points towards Distinguished Shooter. One more than cause this has gotten longer than I wanted it to, to do dual Distinguished in the military is something less than 550 people have done since the program started. It’s quite an honor. I will be working on my Rifle EIC this year and attending larger events to get more legs for my pistol. I have between 3 and 6 years depending on promotions to try for dual. It’s gonna be a lot of work. If there are any more questions just sound off, I have been shooting my States TAG matches for about 8 years now only missing them because of deployments or other military training conflicts.
@MILNETDATABASE12076 ай бұрын
Thanks for this!
@NavYblu996 ай бұрын
Headed to AA in a few weeks. What would you recommend I commit to memory from the AA handbook before I go? Thanks man.
@stannakasone93946 ай бұрын
Good video bro super chill, down to earth, accurate real world feedback. I was in your class also SSG Nakasone
@madkabal6 ай бұрын
In an ABCT cav scouts are at the battalion level of each unit. One way to look at Cavalry Scouts is to view them as Cavalry/Scouts. The Army often uses these soldiers in the Cavalry role (directly fighting the enemy while mounted) as well as the scout role, for example the Stryker ATGMs which are wheeled tank destroyers are manned by 19Ds. As well as the Stryker MGS and scouts in a mech unit will be equipped with Bradleys.
@jdhreiss6 ай бұрын
Cav scouts don't hump so much and can tell the higher ups how much weight a bridge can hold.
@BillyBOB-sm3rl6 ай бұрын
Where in central Indiana? This video is 2 yrs old. Are you going to paint it? Is there an update?
@jdhreiss6 ай бұрын
Cav Scouts can use math......
@CDG7666 ай бұрын
Hey dude I see you were with the Nebraska guard 45th inf. I was with ok 179 c co before going active duty
@Fred_BlackB6 ай бұрын
3/7 CAV is a divisional level for 3rd Infantry.
@toddbates10996 ай бұрын
Having done both, Jumpmaster School, is harder then Pathfinder School. I was a Master Parachutist, sixteen years on jump status. The JMPI Testing in Jumpmaster School is the hard part. 😉🇺🇸
@kingnevermore256 ай бұрын
Dislike for clickbait, you didnt show it
@jt8isgr8707 ай бұрын
4th brigade here 3/89 the mighty 10th. Love the vid.
@dwaynebellmon94727 ай бұрын
😊
@davebartosh57 ай бұрын
I did it in Oklahoma in July....they had fire engines out on the track dutring the 12-mile march to hose us down...I thank them...lmao
@davebartosh57 ай бұрын
Heh...There's a little more to know about 'hooking up the wrong way'....Hooking up 'the right way' allows you to brake properly...hooking up the 'wrong way' (wrapping your line around the carabiner the oppsite direction) leads to a situation where the lline (rope) will automatically remove itself from your carabiner...In other words you fall hard because the rope is gone.
@davebartosh57 ай бұрын
True that Air Assault is harder than Airborne...more mental. Attention to detail, and you will have more written things to remeber that you get tested on..Sling loading for helicopter stuff. Be sure you are in good shape! He's totally right..you get plenty of time to study...I tested my class-mates which helped me too during that time...We had some wash-outs on the last day because you have to do 6 pull-ups on a bar with your ruck on at the end of the 12-mile road march...I'm not good with pull-ups..but banged them out from the adrenaline...
@manuelgchapajr20007 ай бұрын
Joined in 1973 went to Basic, Infantry and jump school in Ft Benning then air assault in Ft Chaffee then pathfinder back in Ft Bennng. Then Ranger School all in the first 14 mos in the Army. I was 17 and crazy. The shitt we do when we Are Young and dumb. Or just plain crazy! CSM Chapa
@warbaby19757 ай бұрын
It sounds like your talking about how CAV Scouts were originally set up where out man job was Route,area/zone recon and establish op/pls for 3-4 days and call in artillary and air strikes. I noticed the change of stratagy for CAV Scouts in 1999 when I went to Kosovo where they had us patroling on hummvees, hasty check points, and even kicking down doors raiding buildings and compounds. After 9/11 we were changed in to a more aggressive force were we independantly hunted Al Qeada and killed them ourselves where as in the old days we would be on a observation post guiding Infantry in to elimate the terrorist. As a HUMMVEE CAV Scout battalion and Brigade level my first six years as a CAV Soout I was on maybe 40-50 Balck Hawk insertions in three man teams. We got a lot of train up by SpecOp units including Special Forces and British SAS to make us capable to do some of those missions. There's a book about my unit when I was in 1st Brigade Recon 4th Infantry Division that tells alot of what we CAV Scouts did in Iraq and our part we played in capyuring Saddam Hussein (it's called RECON 701). I spent the next four years as a Stryker Scout in Fort Lewis Washington and the way we trained you would have thought we were Rangers lol. We ventured out way more then just 5-6 miles on recon missions and everytime I deployed they always sent the CAV Scout units out far away from the main base to as our own independant unit clearing out Al Qaeda from the cities we took over and responsible for. We were still responsible for our Area/Route/ and Zone reconnaissance for our commanders intent but at the same time the other scouts who were not on the recon mission they were kicking in doors around the city. I spent my last three years as a Bradly scout lol screw that! I hated being in armor like that where it seemed you spent more time trying to fix your Bradly then actually doing combat in it (some scouts enjoy being on a Bradly but for me I'll always be a light scout). When people research CAV Scout all they really hear about is our main focus of being the "eyes and ears" for the commander but there is so so so much more to a CAV SCOUT then that where we don't get credit for. My Battalion scout Platoon led the 2nd Brigade 1st infantry in Kosovo 1999 when we first invaded and my Brigade scout platoon led the 1 st Brigade 4th infantry in the invasion of Iraq in 2003 when originally 1-10 CAV Div recon was supposed to with their Bradlys.Cav Scouts get all the high speed schools same as Infantry however... one difference is that a CAV Scout can go to Ranger school and earn the Ranger tab but a CAV Scout can never be assigned to a Ranger unit. Any MOS in the Army can try out for Secial Forces and if selected and pass the Q Course they can be assigned to a Special Forces unit as a Special Forces Soldier and get the really cool schools like Scuba and HALO. I had a great time in the Army as a CAV Scout but sometimes irritated how down played our MOS (19D) is to people who havn't been in a CAV unit. I will say this though with my time in 1-26 Infantry 1st Infantry Division and 1-22 infantry 4th Infantry Division I find the Infantry Divisions are more organized then the CAV units such as 1st Calary Division in Fort Hood Texas. I love my Infantry and CAV Scout brothers the same though being when boots are on the ground we are pretty much all capable of completing the mission doing pretty much the same thing regardless being a CAV Scout or Infantry.
@beardedtacoma7 ай бұрын
I agree with you. I did JM at Bragg in 2003 and PF on Campbell in 2007. Pathfinder was more difficult in my opinion.
@MrSteve09918 ай бұрын
Serious question, are they true to your real waist measurements? I ask because with Levi's, dickies, wrangler I wear 34x30.. my issued acu or multicam bottoms are med short.. but my actual waist measurement is 42? The website measurement chart directions are to order off your actual waist size... thanks for any all info I appreciate it.
@NemeanIndustries7 ай бұрын
Every pair of normal pants I buy are 34x32. With Cryes, I wear 34 Reg. I just order what always fits me.
@williemurray88258 ай бұрын
1987 graduate. My how things have changed!
@coldrevengeukraine8 ай бұрын
Thank you for video. You’re absolutely right. Using them all summer in the city best and there such a problem with pellets by using, need to buy Chinese pellets cutting machine to keep them clean looking) Hi from Ukraine 🇺🇦
@tonyrowland92168 ай бұрын
7 yrs and still a spec 4? Not impressed.
@NemeanIndustries7 ай бұрын
Check this out: now I’m an 11 year E-5 with 4 skill badges on my chest and 2 deployments. Things slow down a bit in the national guard, especially if you deny promotion to stay in a unit you love.
@NemeanIndustries7 ай бұрын
I did 4 years active at Bragg with one deployment in 2014, then went Guard into a LRS unit before we re-org’d into an airborne infantry line company. Every senior guy in the unit was here in the LRS and all of them turned down promotion for years to stay here. So everyone here has tons of schools and a lot of time in by the time you get your 5 and 6. I don’t care about promotions until I’m half way through my career. Just trying to enjoy myself right now.
@masonbohall8 ай бұрын
The two point 0 Has Place for buckles for your front placard does the original JPC accept a front placard with swift clip buckles
@coltwasneverhere52398 ай бұрын
Great video. Any updates to how your JPC has held up?
@NemeanIndustries7 ай бұрын
Had 4 different JPCs over the years, all of them were phenomenal
@larrydraper21189 ай бұрын
Just came across this video, seems that there has been some evolution to these schools. I went through pfdr in oct 85 and jm in Jun 86, I'd agree with most of the comments pfdr being much more difficult. I graduated in the middle of the class, in jm I excelled being "attention to detail" type and was honor grad for the class. JMPI was the hardest part but passed that first time through. I think the schools are harder now but with videos like this you can be better prepared when you show up!! Keep up the great content!
@guillaumekermano270110 ай бұрын
Are you satisfied with the central closure Velcro on the G4 pant? Is it reliable? Does it unexpectedly open during certain movements like running, jumping, or crawling? Does the Velcro lose its gripping power over time, or does it remain as effective as the first day? Thank you.
@NemeanIndustries7 ай бұрын
Nope, it’s a pretty large bit of velcro and when it’s under your belt it’s not coming undone.
@guillaumekermano27017 ай бұрын
@@NemeanIndustries That's perfect, thank you 😉
@guillaumekermano270110 ай бұрын
Are you satisfied with the central closure Velcro on this G4 pant? Is it reliable? Does it unexpectedly open during certain movements like running, jumping, or crawling? Does the Velcro lose its gripping power over time, or does it remain as effective as the first day? Thank you.
@Beetlejuice6766810 ай бұрын
We don’t do just mounted recon when I was in Afghanistan we had no vehicles
@timdumanovskiy471410 ай бұрын
I’ll be starting the course next week in Banning. Are the tests multiple choice, write in, or both.
@TheSwagg4810 ай бұрын
Hey brother, got my torch today! Your video was spot on! Keep up the great work!
@KamaliKasumu11 ай бұрын
@nemeanindustries would you recommend this course for someone who has never been to air assault and airborne school?
@NemeanIndustries11 ай бұрын
I graduated with guys who didn’t have either so you can absolutely still pass without having been to those schools. They would absolutely help you though. Phases 1 & 2 of Pathfinder are essentially a more in depth Air Assault school. So you’ll have an easier time picking up that knowledge. Airborne won’t really help you except to visualize and make real world application of the material. Jumpmaster gives you an even deeper understanding of some of those topics. But even with all of that, I still had a harder time than some of the guys who had never been to any of them. Bottom line, just go for it!
@Tim82ATW Жыл бұрын
IMO Pathfinder was alot harder and alot of studying. Go green yellow red blue bird. "Strike Hold" Keep up the fire 🔥 brother
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Thank you for helping me decide, I’m going to go with the jpc 1.0 👍🏼
You are absolutely right. I had more control in pathfinder school than Jumpmaster school. I graduated pathfinder school APR2023 and I’m currently in Jumpmaster and I was on an emotional rollercoaster with JMPI. I passed on my 5th attempt.
You are absolutely right. I had more control in pathfinder school than Jumpmaster school. I graduated pathfinder school APR2023 and I’m currently in Jumpmaster and I was on an emotional rollercoaster with JMPI. I passed on my 5th attempt.
Great video. Pathfinder grad from 93 and Jumpmaster grad in 92. Pressure since was an Abn Co Cdr when a Pathfinder slot came open last second. Hard school to get and didnt want to get embarrased. Pathfinder more math and have to study and be able to implement formulas (DRT/ DKAV) - Jumpmaster is stress x 100 and most stressful course to include Ranger (85 grad) Still remember tracing that saddle and smacking the leg and hearing I was a GO. Wear my Master Wings proudly as an old retiree still 😎
Bring back LRS
The only question that I have is this one: I see most people who wear those tactical pants with pads that they don’t blouse them to wear boots. So those pants are made different? Or you can still blouse them when you wear boots
How’s the elasticity around the waist? Thanks for the review.
I graduated Jumpmaster School in Nov '06 and Pathfinder School in Nov "07, both were taught by HHC 1-507th PIR at Benning and both were the normal three week versions... I can say without any reservation that Pathfinder School was more difficult, and Jumpmaster School was way more stressfully. It was more stressful because you knew after day one that you would never be fast enough to pass JMPI in the five minutes you were given (so we thought). It was a self-inflicted mental stress. We were the 2nd class of the FY when I went to jumpmaster school and we had no idea when we arrived that the Nomenclature exam would include both the old T-10/ MC-1 style harness and the new MC-6 (SF-10 main w/ T-11 reserve) style harness, and that going forward, we were to learn two different sequences simultaneously. Up to this point Jumpmasters students were allowed only a single retest after a JMPI failure. Our class was allowed a 2nd retest if you maintained at least an 80% on all exams prior to JMPI test day, of course most people would not get the 80% on the Nomenclature exam because we were unaware of the change to the POI prior to attending. I was able to eek out an 80% on the first exam, somehow and was eligible to receive the 2nd retest. I had partially torn the ligament in the elbow of my working hand just prior to the course, so every time I would jam my hand down into those tight JM school rigs, it was like someone jammed an ice pick into my elbow, this made my experience seem much more difficult. We would draw training rigs from the school house on weekends to practice our JMPI in order to get faster, which seemed like a futile effort at the time, especially with the condition of my elbow. I told myself I could live with failing JMPI on time, if I did everything else right, and ended up failing the course. I failed on time by well over a minute my first attempt, which was the first test I had ever failed in the Army, but I could live with that, because its an unrealistic time standard that you will never be held to again, and any jumper I had inspected would be good to go. Now I would go balls out to pass it, but after a recovering from multiple sequence violations on the reserve of the second jumper on attempt two, I missed a major and failed it again. The 3rd and final attempt would be the one and i would pass with about two seconds left. As for Pathfinder school, like most Army schools I attended, every test or exam receives only a single retest. The final written exam at Pathfinder school was the big one that everybody talks about. In 2007 it was 50 questions, 10 each in five different categories. You had 75 minutes to complete the entire test. If you failed one section, you would retest that one section, if you failed two sections you would retake those two sections, three or more sections would retake the entire test. You would receive only 15 minutes per section on the retest. Formulas was by far the hardest section, in my recollection it was all story problems, some requiring multiple formulas to solve the problem (D=RT, T=D/R, D=KAV) and also 1NANOS. It was recommended to do the Formulas section first, and then the two sections you thought you new best next before time runs out, because no one is going to pass formulas in just 15 minutes if you fail it. I did not heed this advice and answered the questions in order from 1-50. The formulas section was questions 41-50 on my exam and as I looked up at the clock after the first 40 questions I had completed them in 37 minutes, leaving 38 minutes to complete the final 10 questions. as I neared the final couple questions I realized I was running extremely low on time and needed to hurry on those last couple question, I had no time to double check my math like I would normally do. In my case it worked out and I received either a 96 or 94% on the final. Final thought... anyone who has attended Jumpmaster school understands the phrase "Inspecting Ghost Jumpers in the shower"
Pathfinder school - for me - was relatively simple. But for good reason - I went through Pathfinder in 1984, as a young Army Reservist. I was assigned to the 5th Pathfinder Platoon at Ft Meade, MD. At the time, most of the NCOs in the unit were Vietnam Veterans, with varied combat experiences. My Team Sergeant ("Doc" - he was a Combat Medic in the 1st Cav Div in Vietnam, as well as having been part of the 82d Abn Div. I joined the 5th Pathfinders in 1983, and Doc ran me through the paces. Nobody was sent to Ft Benning for Pathfinder school until the NCOs of the platoon agreed that a team member was ready. Land Nav training was constant, with different challenges set in the way. I did DZs and HLZs, Doc often putting me in charge of establishing and setting my team members to work. Sling loading was another task we often practiced. Sling loading - One weekend the 5th Pathfinders was tasked to come to the Pentagon and sling load huge HVAC units to the roof. A CH-47 was tasked, came collected us, and we flew to the Pentagon and spent an afternoon Reserve drill sling loading gear on the Pentagon! Great - and different - experience. The summer of 1984, Doc felt that I was ready for Pathfinder school, and so I made the drive down to Ft Benning. Having gone through Airborne school in 1981, it was nice being back. The Pathfinder course - in my opinion - was challenging in that there were a number of academic requirements in order to pass. First day was Land Nav course. Two tries to pass. Fail the second time, and you're out of the course. We were required to pass evaluations 1) as Team Leader on a field problem, 2) as an Assistant Team Leader on a field problem, 3) demonstrate proficiency in communication with an aircraft in flight (and guiding it in to your HLZ). Because of how I was pushed by my unit prior to Pathfinder school, I passed each task. Doc helped instill me with confidence. Jump Master school. I eventually enlisted Active Duty and served in 5th Special Forces Group (I was an Intelligence Analyst, not a tabbed SF guy), and made the trip to Ft Benning for the JM course. This was in 1996, and I had been on jump status both Reserve and Active Duty for 15 years. Several of the JM guys I served with all recommended that I study nothing as far as the nomenclature exam, which was administered on day 1 of JM school. I was told that the nomenclatures frequently change and that I needed to study the charts we were given when we reported to the JM school. I studied my ass off, and the following day passed the nomenclature test. It was my understanding, at the time, that this was a requirement to continue on the course. While Pathfinder school was academically challenging, Jump Master school was extremely stressful. The "BIG" thing which dropped students was that infamous JMPI exam. In '96 the standard was JMPI test in the morning. Fail your JMPI, then you get one re-test in the afternoon. Fail this, and you were dropped from the course and sent home. And the fact was, there were several students in my JM class who had returned for 1st, 2d, or even 3rd try. Good Troops too.
this helped alot. thank you
Jumpmaster and then Pathfinder is amazing . I say that because that's truly the easiest way to pass the course. Great points about the difference in Air Assault and PF. For record, I passed JM easily, passed DZSTL ( short , but separate course} , and almost failed PF because of sling loads. My advice for these thinking courses, find somebody more experienced than yourself.
I should add, I was a tabbed E-4 JM in 2/75 and then passed PF in 173rd LRSD more than 10yrs later.
Thx for the info ,ill be getting the 1 🎉🎉🎉
Im nervous man because my writing is not good because English is my second language and im leaving in two months to BLC
I was out of the army for years when I read somewhere that Air Assault School is the "ten toughest days in the army". I spit my beer out laughing. Whoever came up with that lie had never been to ranger school...and I went when there was still a desert phase. Former Cco 509th Pathfinders.
What are the odds that the one grader your talking abouts name started with an H and ended with an NS🤔🤬
Scouts toast marshmallows. Infantry Recon toasts Scouts. HOOAH!
Ah the good ole love hate relationship between 11 B's and 19 D's. Well listen here grunt when we Scouts set up The Land Nav course for you E.I.B candidates I love how many of yall failed NOGO at land nav. From couldn't give a 6 digit grid from your starting point to just straight couldn't read a map. But keep on there Infantry Recon. If You Ain't Cav You Ain't Shit! hooah 3 Gulf Out.
Just to correct some of the information here. Each state sets the rules for the G20 in that state. Up until 3 years ago my state didn’t do one at all. Now that they do they only award G20 to high 10 in each rifle and pistol. My state (Tennessee) only allows NG members to compete for the G20. If I am not mistaken, Arkansas awards 8 for rifle, 8 for pistol and 2 for sniper. Your state may be different. Also with the EIC there are several EIC matches, National Match in several discipline’s, for the military is the Combat EIC events which are only allowed for current military members. You can look up national match EIC for those badges but combat EIC works much different. Combat EIC must be done in Combat gear, National Match EIC matches are held wearing ears, eyes and not much else depending on the shooter. For the Combat EIC Pistol is 4 distances, 30 standing (60 seconds), 25 standing to kneeling to prone, (45 seconds) 20 standing (20 seconds), and 15 standing (15 seconds). Max score is 200. Each string is 2, 5 round mags with a reload on the clock. Combat rifle starts at 25 yards behind the 400, 90 seconds to run to 400 mark and take 10 shots prone unsupported. I forget the time but then you do the same at 300. 200 is shot kneeling, and 100 is shot standing. Then 75, 50 and 25. Each string has 2 targets and you have to put 5 rounds in each. Also shot with the same EIC target as the pistol. Max score is 250. For the EIC badge, it is awarded to the top 10% of match shooters that have not been awarded the Distinguished Shooters Badge in that discipline. The EIC badge is the first step to the Distinguished Shooter Badge. The EIC and Distinguished Shooter badges are awarded by the Army Marksmanship unit. Each EIC badge will have a “LEG POINT” value depending on the size/level of the competition. State, Local or Division and lower match’s are 4 points and you can only earn those the first time you leg. Corps, regional (MAC as the NG calls it) are worth from 6, 8 or 10 depending on how big a match is. From your first leg points until you acquire 20 point will be a bronze badge. From 20 to 30 is a Silver and 30+ is Gold unless you have your “Hard Legs”. To get the Distinguished Shooter Badge some of your legs must be from a National Level Match such as the Army Small Arms Championship or The NG Wilsons, these are the Hard Legs. As the video is a couple of years old there has been some changes, rifle can now be shot with optics not just irons, Optics can be red dot or magnified not to exceed 4x. ACOG and ELCANs are the norm. The optics may have dots attached to the optic but not separate from for the shorter range targets where speed is important. The pistol is generally shot with the M17/18 as the new sidearm. Also if you are guard dont be surprised if the air guard isnt competing at the guard match’s also. And dont let them fool you cause they are Air Force. They can shoot. Tennessee has won several competitions with an Air Guard unit or a team with Air Guard members including the Wilson’s. There was a question as to a guard member can shoot at another states match. Again this will vary state to state. TN is pretty friendly about it if ammo is available. it is my understanding that unless they put a cap on the amount of shooters the rules say they have to allow “walk ons” for the EIC match. They dont have to give you anything but the ammo for that match. This may not be a challenge for pistol. But take a rifle from TN up to Ohio and not get a chance to zero under those conditions with that lot of ammo and it can be difficult. The “X” ring on the EIC target is slightly smaller than a pack of cigarettes, and shooting at that from 400 yards with a 4 power scope sucks and you better know your dope that day with that ammo and that gun. If you plan to attend a match in another state check with them first and see what the constraints are. If possible shoot the entire match not just the EIC. For my state each match is normally 300-350 rounds in 3 days for the rifle and then again for the pistol. My state holds rifle and pistol different months. If you are guard/reserve you need to be on some sort of status, most common is either split drill or Points no pay orders. That way you are covered if you are injured. I got my G20 last year for pistol and Pistol EIC the year before that with the M17. This year I will hopefully be doing my regional MAC match for more EIC points on Pistol. One more thing on local vs regional and higher match’s. In a local match EIC legs are awarded to the top 10% that don’t already have them, regional its the top 10% that are not distinguished. So let’s say you attend your state match and out of 50 shooters, you are number 6 but Number 1 and 2 already have EICs. Then you get one. But go to the regionals and out of 50 shooters you are number 6 all 5 above you will get them as long as they have not been awarded the Distinguished Shooter badge for that weapon. This is how they are getting the leg points towards Distinguished Shooter. One more than cause this has gotten longer than I wanted it to, to do dual Distinguished in the military is something less than 550 people have done since the program started. It’s quite an honor. I will be working on my Rifle EIC this year and attending larger events to get more legs for my pistol. I have between 3 and 6 years depending on promotions to try for dual. It’s gonna be a lot of work. If there are any more questions just sound off, I have been shooting my States TAG matches for about 8 years now only missing them because of deployments or other military training conflicts.
Thanks for this!
Headed to AA in a few weeks. What would you recommend I commit to memory from the AA handbook before I go? Thanks man.
Good video bro super chill, down to earth, accurate real world feedback. I was in your class also SSG Nakasone
In an ABCT cav scouts are at the battalion level of each unit. One way to look at Cavalry Scouts is to view them as Cavalry/Scouts. The Army often uses these soldiers in the Cavalry role (directly fighting the enemy while mounted) as well as the scout role, for example the Stryker ATGMs which are wheeled tank destroyers are manned by 19Ds. As well as the Stryker MGS and scouts in a mech unit will be equipped with Bradleys.
Cav scouts don't hump so much and can tell the higher ups how much weight a bridge can hold.
Where in central Indiana? This video is 2 yrs old. Are you going to paint it? Is there an update?
Cav Scouts can use math......
Hey dude I see you were with the Nebraska guard 45th inf. I was with ok 179 c co before going active duty
3/7 CAV is a divisional level for 3rd Infantry.
Having done both, Jumpmaster School, is harder then Pathfinder School. I was a Master Parachutist, sixteen years on jump status. The JMPI Testing in Jumpmaster School is the hard part. 😉🇺🇸
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4th brigade here 3/89 the mighty 10th. Love the vid.
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I did it in Oklahoma in July....they had fire engines out on the track dutring the 12-mile march to hose us down...I thank them...lmao
Heh...There's a little more to know about 'hooking up the wrong way'....Hooking up 'the right way' allows you to brake properly...hooking up the 'wrong way' (wrapping your line around the carabiner the oppsite direction) leads to a situation where the lline (rope) will automatically remove itself from your carabiner...In other words you fall hard because the rope is gone.
True that Air Assault is harder than Airborne...more mental. Attention to detail, and you will have more written things to remeber that you get tested on..Sling loading for helicopter stuff. Be sure you are in good shape! He's totally right..you get plenty of time to study...I tested my class-mates which helped me too during that time...We had some wash-outs on the last day because you have to do 6 pull-ups on a bar with your ruck on at the end of the 12-mile road march...I'm not good with pull-ups..but banged them out from the adrenaline...
Joined in 1973 went to Basic, Infantry and jump school in Ft Benning then air assault in Ft Chaffee then pathfinder back in Ft Bennng. Then Ranger School all in the first 14 mos in the Army. I was 17 and crazy. The shitt we do when we Are Young and dumb. Or just plain crazy! CSM Chapa
It sounds like your talking about how CAV Scouts were originally set up where out man job was Route,area/zone recon and establish op/pls for 3-4 days and call in artillary and air strikes. I noticed the change of stratagy for CAV Scouts in 1999 when I went to Kosovo where they had us patroling on hummvees, hasty check points, and even kicking down doors raiding buildings and compounds. After 9/11 we were changed in to a more aggressive force were we independantly hunted Al Qeada and killed them ourselves where as in the old days we would be on a observation post guiding Infantry in to elimate the terrorist. As a HUMMVEE CAV Scout battalion and Brigade level my first six years as a CAV Soout I was on maybe 40-50 Balck Hawk insertions in three man teams. We got a lot of train up by SpecOp units including Special Forces and British SAS to make us capable to do some of those missions. There's a book about my unit when I was in 1st Brigade Recon 4th Infantry Division that tells alot of what we CAV Scouts did in Iraq and our part we played in capyuring Saddam Hussein (it's called RECON 701). I spent the next four years as a Stryker Scout in Fort Lewis Washington and the way we trained you would have thought we were Rangers lol. We ventured out way more then just 5-6 miles on recon missions and everytime I deployed they always sent the CAV Scout units out far away from the main base to as our own independant unit clearing out Al Qaeda from the cities we took over and responsible for. We were still responsible for our Area/Route/ and Zone reconnaissance for our commanders intent but at the same time the other scouts who were not on the recon mission they were kicking in doors around the city. I spent my last three years as a Bradly scout lol screw that! I hated being in armor like that where it seemed you spent more time trying to fix your Bradly then actually doing combat in it (some scouts enjoy being on a Bradly but for me I'll always be a light scout). When people research CAV Scout all they really hear about is our main focus of being the "eyes and ears" for the commander but there is so so so much more to a CAV SCOUT then that where we don't get credit for. My Battalion scout Platoon led the 2nd Brigade 1st infantry in Kosovo 1999 when we first invaded and my Brigade scout platoon led the 1 st Brigade 4th infantry in the invasion of Iraq in 2003 when originally 1-10 CAV Div recon was supposed to with their Bradlys.Cav Scouts get all the high speed schools same as Infantry however... one difference is that a CAV Scout can go to Ranger school and earn the Ranger tab but a CAV Scout can never be assigned to a Ranger unit. Any MOS in the Army can try out for Secial Forces and if selected and pass the Q Course they can be assigned to a Special Forces unit as a Special Forces Soldier and get the really cool schools like Scuba and HALO. I had a great time in the Army as a CAV Scout but sometimes irritated how down played our MOS (19D) is to people who havn't been in a CAV unit. I will say this though with my time in 1-26 Infantry 1st Infantry Division and 1-22 infantry 4th Infantry Division I find the Infantry Divisions are more organized then the CAV units such as 1st Calary Division in Fort Hood Texas. I love my Infantry and CAV Scout brothers the same though being when boots are on the ground we are pretty much all capable of completing the mission doing pretty much the same thing regardless being a CAV Scout or Infantry.
I agree with you. I did JM at Bragg in 2003 and PF on Campbell in 2007. Pathfinder was more difficult in my opinion.
Serious question, are they true to your real waist measurements? I ask because with Levi's, dickies, wrangler I wear 34x30.. my issued acu or multicam bottoms are med short.. but my actual waist measurement is 42? The website measurement chart directions are to order off your actual waist size... thanks for any all info I appreciate it.
Every pair of normal pants I buy are 34x32. With Cryes, I wear 34 Reg. I just order what always fits me.
1987 graduate. My how things have changed!
Thank you for video. You’re absolutely right. Using them all summer in the city best and there such a problem with pellets by using, need to buy Chinese pellets cutting machine to keep them clean looking) Hi from Ukraine 🇺🇦
7 yrs and still a spec 4? Not impressed.
Check this out: now I’m an 11 year E-5 with 4 skill badges on my chest and 2 deployments. Things slow down a bit in the national guard, especially if you deny promotion to stay in a unit you love.
I did 4 years active at Bragg with one deployment in 2014, then went Guard into a LRS unit before we re-org’d into an airborne infantry line company. Every senior guy in the unit was here in the LRS and all of them turned down promotion for years to stay here. So everyone here has tons of schools and a lot of time in by the time you get your 5 and 6. I don’t care about promotions until I’m half way through my career. Just trying to enjoy myself right now.
The two point 0 Has Place for buckles for your front placard does the original JPC accept a front placard with swift clip buckles
Great video. Any updates to how your JPC has held up?
Had 4 different JPCs over the years, all of them were phenomenal
Just came across this video, seems that there has been some evolution to these schools. I went through pfdr in oct 85 and jm in Jun 86, I'd agree with most of the comments pfdr being much more difficult. I graduated in the middle of the class, in jm I excelled being "attention to detail" type and was honor grad for the class. JMPI was the hardest part but passed that first time through. I think the schools are harder now but with videos like this you can be better prepared when you show up!! Keep up the great content!
Are you satisfied with the central closure Velcro on the G4 pant? Is it reliable? Does it unexpectedly open during certain movements like running, jumping, or crawling? Does the Velcro lose its gripping power over time, or does it remain as effective as the first day? Thank you.
Nope, it’s a pretty large bit of velcro and when it’s under your belt it’s not coming undone.
@@NemeanIndustries That's perfect, thank you 😉
Are you satisfied with the central closure Velcro on this G4 pant? Is it reliable? Does it unexpectedly open during certain movements like running, jumping, or crawling? Does the Velcro lose its gripping power over time, or does it remain as effective as the first day? Thank you.
We don’t do just mounted recon when I was in Afghanistan we had no vehicles
I’ll be starting the course next week in Banning. Are the tests multiple choice, write in, or both.
Hey brother, got my torch today! Your video was spot on! Keep up the great work!
@nemeanindustries would you recommend this course for someone who has never been to air assault and airborne school?
I graduated with guys who didn’t have either so you can absolutely still pass without having been to those schools. They would absolutely help you though. Phases 1 & 2 of Pathfinder are essentially a more in depth Air Assault school. So you’ll have an easier time picking up that knowledge. Airborne won’t really help you except to visualize and make real world application of the material. Jumpmaster gives you an even deeper understanding of some of those topics. But even with all of that, I still had a harder time than some of the guys who had never been to any of them. Bottom line, just go for it!
IMO Pathfinder was alot harder and alot of studying. Go green yellow red blue bird. "Strike Hold" Keep up the fire 🔥 brother