Congrats on the tab and thanks for making the video. I would like to politely add that civilian and military should go for the both governors 20 and prez 100 tab, and they can wear both tabs (depending on agency). In the civilian world especially, LEO this will help get you into competitive LE classes, help with attaining rank and positions. Good luck advancing.

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I shot the G20 with the MIARNG in October and it was a fantastic competition. With Covid, we had a smaller but much more competitive group since all the hard core shooters came out lol. I botched one of the events which I suspect was the reason why I fell short on tabbing this year

@NemeanIndustries

3 жыл бұрын

Just go back next year man! And make sure to do some good training this year for it now that you know what to expect!

Just to correct some of the information here. Each state sets the rules for the G20 in that state. Up until 3 years ago my state didn’t do one at all. Now that they do they only award G20 to high 10 in each rifle and pistol. My state (Tennessee) only allows NG members to compete for the G20. If I am not mistaken, Arkansas awards 8 for rifle, 8 for pistol and 2 for sniper. Your state may be different. Also with the EIC there are several EIC matches, National Match in several discipline’s, for the military is the Combat EIC events which are only allowed for current military members. You can look up national match EIC for those badges but combat EIC works much different. Combat EIC must be done in Combat gear, National Match EIC matches are held wearing ears, eyes and not much else depending on the shooter. For the Combat EIC Pistol is 4 distances, 30 standing (60 seconds), 25 standing to kneeling to prone, (45 seconds) 20 standing (20 seconds), and 15 standing (15 seconds). Max score is 200. Each string is 2, 5 round mags with a reload on the clock. Combat rifle starts at 25 yards behind the 400, 90 seconds to run to 400 mark and take 10 shots prone unsupported. I forget the time but then you do the same at 300. 200 is shot kneeling, and 100 is shot standing. Then 75, 50 and 25. Each string has 2 targets and you have to put 5 rounds in each. Also shot with the same EIC target as the pistol. Max score is 250. For the EIC badge, it is awarded to the top 10% of match shooters that have not been awarded the Distinguished Shooters Badge in that discipline. The EIC badge is the first step to the Distinguished Shooter Badge. The EIC and Distinguished Shooter badges are awarded by the Army Marksmanship unit. Each EIC badge will have a “LEG POINT” value depending on the size/level of the competition. State, Local or Division and lower match’s are 4 points and you can only earn those the first time you leg. Corps, regional (MAC as the NG calls it) are worth from 6, 8 or 10 depending on how big a match is. From your first leg points until you acquire 20 point will be a bronze badge. From 20 to 30 is a Silver and 30+ is Gold unless you have your “Hard Legs”. To get the Distinguished Shooter Badge some of your legs must be from a National Level Match such as the Army Small Arms Championship or The NG Wilsons, these are the Hard Legs. As the video is a couple of years old there has been some changes, rifle can now be shot with optics not just irons, Optics can be red dot or magnified not to exceed 4x. ACOG and ELCANs are the norm. The optics may have dots attached to the optic but not separate from for the shorter range targets where speed is important. The pistol is generally shot with the M17/18 as the new sidearm. Also if you are guard dont be surprised if the air guard isnt competing at the guard match’s also. And dont let them fool you cause they are Air Force. They can shoot. Tennessee has won several competitions with an Air Guard unit or a team with Air Guard members including the Wilson’s. There was a question as to a guard member can shoot at another states match. Again this will vary state to state. TN is pretty friendly about it if ammo is available. it is my understanding that unless they put a cap on the amount of shooters the rules say they have to allow “walk ons” for the EIC match. They dont have to give you anything but the ammo for that match. This may not be a challenge for pistol. But take a rifle from TN up to Ohio and not get a chance to zero under those conditions with that lot of ammo and it can be difficult. The “X” ring on the EIC target is slightly smaller than a pack of cigarettes, and shooting at that from 400 yards with a 4 power scope sucks and you better know your dope that day with that ammo and that gun. If you plan to attend a match in another state check with them first and see what the constraints are. If possible shoot the entire match not just the EIC. For my state each match is normally 300-350 rounds in 3 days for the rifle and then again for the pistol. My state holds rifle and pistol different months. If you are guard/reserve you need to be on some sort of status, most common is either split drill or Points no pay orders. That way you are covered if you are injured. I got my G20 last year for pistol and Pistol EIC the year before that with the M17. This year I will hopefully be doing my regional MAC match for more EIC points on Pistol. One more thing on local vs regional and higher match’s. In a local match EIC legs are awarded to the top 10% that don’t already have them, regional its the top 10% that are not distinguished. So let’s say you attend your state match and out of 50 shooters, you are number 6 but Number 1 and 2 already have EICs. Then you get one. But go to the regionals and out of 50 shooters you are number 6 all 5 above you will get them as long as they have not been awarded the Distinguished Shooter badge for that weapon. This is how they are getting the leg points towards Distinguished Shooter. One more than cause this has gotten longer than I wanted it to, to do dual Distinguished in the military is something less than 550 people have done since the program started. It’s quite an honor. I will be working on my Rifle EIC this year and attending larger events to get more legs for my pistol. I have between 3 and 6 years depending on promotions to try for dual. It’s gonna be a lot of work. If there are any more questions just sound off, I have been shooting my States TAG matches for about 8 years now only missing them because of deployments or other military training conflicts.

I think your next video should be what is a good set up for competition in the gov 20 you’ll be help out A lot of soldiers getting them involved matter fact do A video of what goes on in competition to better help give them insight unfortunate for me in Texas they are very strict a unwritten rule

I got my presidential 100 tab

@NemeanIndustries

3 жыл бұрын

That’s dope dude I’m jealous! I’d love the opportunity to get one!

@12345678971926

3 жыл бұрын

@@NemeanIndustries When you get the opportunity here’s your pointers right now they are very anal nobody will not be your friend there unless I see you I’ll be your friend guardsman stick together right now I’m getting ready for my fourth governor 20 in Texas I wanted to make a detailed video how to competition goes but they are very strict here but keep contact contact with me I definitely like to see you in the presidential 100

@N3wbMa5t3r

Жыл бұрын

Sure you did. 🥱

Can you be one states guard & get it in another state?

Hey are you with the Indiana National Guard? I recognize the patch.

@NemeanIndustries

3 жыл бұрын

I am indeed

I've been lucky enough that, if it isn't cancelled, my units allowed me a spot on their team as a PFC this year. Any advice or experiences for the novice versus the open groups? Do the top scores in the novice group stack up against open for the tab? Thanks

@NemeanIndustries

3 жыл бұрын

In my experience, there aren’t separate groups. Everyone competes against each other. I had like 150 or so people in my competition, and when it comes to the tab it’s purely individual, even if you go as a team. Just try to shoot as best you can, have fun, and if you get a tab then it’s just a bonus. Just remember the fundamentals and you’ll do fine. Get as much Range time as possible beforehand.

@Accident_Proof

3 жыл бұрын

PataGucci Guru much appreciated. Definitely gonna spend as much time as I can on the range, but most of all just happy to have the opportunity. Tab is for sure a bonus

Sadly I’ve got a shitty Retention NCO so if I ever wanted to try he wouldn’t push the paperwork up.

@NemeanIndustries

3 жыл бұрын

Yuvan I wouldn’t think it’d be your retention guy it should be your readiness NCO. Hopefully you can get it worked out!

@12345678971926

3 жыл бұрын

Worst case scenario go to your chaplain

So if you get G20, but get put on title 10 you don’t get to wear it anymore?

@NemeanIndustries

3 жыл бұрын

That’s a good question and something that’s been brought up to me before, but I honestly don’t know the answer. You’re still in the national guard but on an active duty status so I’m not sure.

@trentpuckett9853

Жыл бұрын

@@NemeanIndustries Once you are on Title 10 Active Duty you are under Federal Status - you no fall under the UCMJ and not your State Code of Military justice. As a result, you do not wear any state level awards (State Ribbons, Governors Twenty Tab, Ram's Head Device) while on active federal service.

@michaellawrence1601

Жыл бұрын

@@trentpuckett9853 That’s only the case if you have left the national guard. Will serving in title 10 or title 32 as an activated national guard member you still can wear state awards

@trentpuckett9853

Жыл бұрын

@@michaellawrence1601 When mobilized (or activated) under Title 10 U.S.C., you are directed by the President to report for active duty in an official capacity. You are being activated for federal active-duty military service. You are no longer a National Guardsman serving your state, but a Federal Soldier serving the nation. As a result, wear of state awards is not authorized while serving in a Title 10 duty status. See DA PAM 670-1, 22-5(j), which states; DA PAM 670-1, 22-5 j. State awards for Army National Guard Soldiers. Under the provisions of Title 32, United States Code (32 USC), Army National Guard (ARNG) personnel are authorized to wear State awards under applicable State laws or regulations when assigned to the ARNG under the command and control of the governor or Adjutant General. The term “State” includes the 50 states, U.S. territories (which include Guam and the U.S. Virgin Islands), Puerto Rico, and the District of Columbia. The following personnel statuses are included in this authorization: Active Guard Reserve; active duty for training; active duty for special work; full-time National Guard duty for special work or training; annual training; and inactive duty training (drill status), including periods when personnel may be attached to the Regular Army or reserve of any Service, whether paid or unpaid. Personnel will wear such awards in the State order of precedence after Federal and foreign awards. UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF 10 USC, SOLDIERS ON ACTIVE FEDERAL SERVICE ARE AUTHORIZED TO ACCEPT, BUT NOT WEAR STATE OR TERRITORY AWARDS.

What's recon like in the national guard? And if I remember correctly you said you were in GA, but you're in Indiana NG. Is there something up with Georgia NG recon units?

@NemeanIndustries

3 жыл бұрын

The only time I’ve been to GA recently was for Air Assault. But for my unit specifically, we have a bunch of extremely knowledgeable guys who love the job. My NG LRS unit was way better than my Active Scout Platoon was.

@314rappin

3 жыл бұрын

@@NemeanIndustries ever thought about recording a video of y'all out in the field

@NemeanIndustries

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t think I’d have time to. I’m a team leader so I’m too busy to do it unfortunately. Would be cool though. I do have little clips of cool stuff but not much.

Are you with 179 or 279?

@NemeanIndustries

3 жыл бұрын

2-134

So you hate when civilians compete I understand what you come from but have you heard of the Old saying life is not fair You should not be hating you should be saying good more things for me to work on to be better have any more people competing makes better competition it brings out the best out of you which state National Garden do you belong to reason why I’m looking for a New partner for sniping how old partner retired already so I’m on the hunt for a new partner So I’m asking you are you Sniper qualified

You hate that civilians can participate? 😂

@NemeanIndustries

Жыл бұрын

I don’t really care, I still placed good enough to get a tab. But if the only thing you can get from competing is a tab to wear on your OCP’s, then why would a civilian want to compete? All you’re doing is keeping a soldier from getting one. Most of the civilians are old retired dudes that do nothing but shoot in their free time, and they get a tab every single year. Tab protectors, you could say. With no reason to even be there.lol. They just compete cause they can.

@N3wbMa5t3r

Жыл бұрын

@@NemeanIndustries Don't you get a certificate too? That's probably why civilians participate...

@NemeanIndustries

Жыл бұрын

@@N3wbMa5t3r I definitely didn’t lol

@NemeanIndustries

Жыл бұрын

@@N3wbMa5t3r it’s not even in iperms or anything. The AG of your state comes out to the ceremony and gives you your tab after they call everyone who earned one up to the stage. That’s about it. I guess you can get a plaque for 1st-3rd though.

@N3wbMa5t3r

Жыл бұрын

@@NemeanIndustries Yea, many would just want the Plaque... You have to remove the tab whenever you leave the state for training/drill too...