For people who lift hard, take every set to or close to functional failure, and you legitimately know what failure is, 16 sets a week of legit working sets will do the trick. No need to complicate it.i don’t think Arnold and Mentzer etc needed periodization and deload to build thick muscle
@imsorrythankyouplease76137 сағат бұрын
I really thought the intro was referring to the anabolic window 😂
@gary_michael_flanagan_wildlife7 сағат бұрын
How do you all feel about doing 3-4 reps on the first few sets and then your major set to failure. So you are having less junk volume and more effective reps. I guess you can say it’s more of a high intensity style and low volume. Am I losing out on the volume from those first few sets without training to 2-3 reps in reserve on those sets? The way I look at it as I’m maximizing my effective reps and hitting failure anyway without all the reps that don’t count.
@adammiller91796 сағат бұрын
That's fine. I like more like 6-8 or so, but you should be saving your energy for your working weight. I'm assuming you do more than 4 reps on your working sets (5-30). Warm up sets should not be close to failure.
@Brewbug8 сағат бұрын
TBH I think they should stop the research. All marginal, only use is to keep the content creators having something to talk about.
@Half-code8 сағат бұрын
The background music is too quiet
@MJGrayson11 сағат бұрын
So what you're saying is; I'm not doing enough?
@Thefringefitnessproject13 сағат бұрын
Jacked Greek vs Israeli geek (I love them both just couldn’t let the joke go to waste lol)
@taylorlovescarlsagan16 сағат бұрын
Not a bmw driver smh
@MrDimitrisfromathens16 сағат бұрын
Απ τα lidl!!! Κλαίω!!
@matusjurcik697417 сағат бұрын
10:45 he was already crying for hope, from your jokes Dr. Mike 😁
@Dan7784521 сағат бұрын
I’m 40 years old. Everything makes me sore.
@Kikwatz6 сағат бұрын
Just take some test and everything will be fine. Except your joints.
@adammiller91796 сағат бұрын
@@Kikwatz Not really.
@rrisky1822 сағат бұрын
I found you guys through Dr Mike, and I’m so glad I did you guys hv great information that I’m going to starting using, so kudos to you, great video 😃👍💪🇺🇸
@notetaking930822 сағат бұрын
Appreciating in silence, just for you gents and the algo
@SaiRose1522 сағат бұрын
These science guys are so annoying. 50 sets is the stupidest thing I've heard
@jf707322 сағат бұрын
Are you changing the weight for Those added sets? You’re getting more tired or the strength level is going down as the sets go up Asking for a friend
@briefcasefullof23 сағат бұрын
Maybe I'm just dumb, but when there's this discussion of numbers of sets, how many reps per set are they talking about? Are they sets to failure, sets of 3-5 reps, 6-8 reps, 8-10 reps, what?
@carloscastano366618 сағат бұрын
Reps ranges vary depending on what you're trying to achieve. Lower reps for body building and higher reps for power lifting. In general though Mikes always refers to anywhere between 6 - 30reps/or failure.
@AZeneki5 сағат бұрын
@@carloscastano3666 🤣
@Runner-Boy23 сағат бұрын
So progressive overload
@minotaur5523 сағат бұрын
Wonder if the results of these studies would be different if we did them on pro bodybuilders on grams of shit, high dosages of gh, peptides and insulin + the food and carbs obviously.
@BombSquad.MP4Күн бұрын
The science based community is so annoying lmao. They always over complicate anything
@Benny.13Күн бұрын
Your best bet is confusing the muscle and keep switching up your program sets and reps. Plus it keeps your workouts fun .
@nikosrosos5180Күн бұрын
Man i just can't stop laughing that guy was advertising,From 8 set s yo the most twenty ,that constant tension is negative and so many more thing i am literally bored to report, and now i see him say things like 50 sets the pump the partional low range of the motion all thise that old school allready knew and guys like me see in their own body from years of training and we were getting bashed on the comments for stating things we knew from ourselves and the most decorated pros, hilarious and tragic,you tube guys are like politicians they come after 4-5 years saying almost complete the opposites than before and pretending that is the same
@brandondavey2398Күн бұрын
I remember this big blob coming up to me at the gym telling me i need to add more weight to get more blood flow to the area, i look like an athlete, you look like you eat quarter pounders all day
@BombSquad.MP4Күн бұрын
Who are you trying to convince? Stop being insecure and do your own thing.
@skipcanne5883Күн бұрын
Is there carry over in muscle groups if you do 5 sets of bench does that count towards triceps
@vidarrodinsson2237Күн бұрын
Off course mate, you use your triceps in the bench press
@GetGood907Күн бұрын
My man is finally getting some cauliflower ear :') I love you mike, so proud
@GetGood907Күн бұрын
well, more pronounced I should say lol
@nickwit21Күн бұрын
52 sets a week on one body group is insane! Might as well camp in the gym at that point. Good lord!
@orionsimerl6539Күн бұрын
How does decreased performance during a work out signal that the volume is no longer effective for hypertrophy?
@JRL6211Күн бұрын
“2 weeks in Greece with you people… I didn’t mean to say ‘you people’ … but I do mean that offensively.” 😂🤣😂 I’m glad I wasn’t drinking anything when he said that …
@ericedmunds9488Күн бұрын
Lying dumbbell skull crushers with strict form and slow on the negative till absolute failure will make your triceps sore every time.
@BB-ni8vyКүн бұрын
Wasn’t this bozo a HUGE proponent of the jab?
@danielferrer9464Күн бұрын
But do you add volume or weight 😉
@joojotin2 күн бұрын
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@user-bl9fj7kf1s2 күн бұрын
Please ignore science. It changes in every video. Be safe. Trust gym Bros 💪
@StraightGuyStraightTalk2 күн бұрын
My legs are the only thing that gets sore. 😢😢
@nicholasfevelo30412 күн бұрын
Mike wishes he could come out of the closet
@sergkravchenko5637Күн бұрын
😅
@baileys63462 күн бұрын
Overhead deadlifts and barbell pec flyes
@alexsmith-gn4tp2 күн бұрын
Dr. Mike without the constant sexual double entendres would be SO much better ! It's just SO tedious and unpleasant.
@jamieross161311 сағат бұрын
Disagree.
@Viking_Raven6 сағат бұрын
Bro that's just his personality take it or leave. You can't tell other people how to be.
@boom-bm1kl2 күн бұрын
There are general guidelines but bottom line is you need to figure out what works best for you. Everyone is different and will recover differently. Not to mention the natty vs gear variable.
@chuck66522 күн бұрын
I can confidently say that I cannot overtrain. I’m currently at 50+ sets per muscle group per week. I have been for several months. It took 6-8 weeks to ramp up volume, to avoid ridiculous DOMS at such high volume. Since I adapted to the volume, I haven’t been sore for any reason besides poor programming, ie. pushing a chest day off and having 30+ sets in the next session 😅🤢 High volume has gained me 50+ pounds of decently lean mass in the last year and a half. My point is that more volume is recoverable, effective, and is certifiably fun af. I went from 150 to 200 lbs BW as a 22 year old guy over multiple bulking and mini cutting cycles. The progress is continuing to go hard af. No injuries with slow, “good” technique and using lots of stretched movements. Increase your volume. It’s worth it.
@chuck66522 күн бұрын
Why not ignore the periodization aspect and do as much volume as you possibly can as early as you possibly can, all the way up to 52 sets per week per muscle group. That’s what the research shows is effective, all common sense aside. Genuinely I do 52+ sets per week for quads, hamstrings, chest, back, arms, and shoulders. I didn’t get sore after the first 6-8 weeks of increasing volume to that point. I am growing like mad. My progress hasn’t slowed down in the last year and a half. Just separate your muscle groups across the week to keep sets per session to less than 20. Easy W. Yes I do two a days most days and spend 2-3 hours in the gym lol but screw it why not.
@dustinirwin12 күн бұрын
The Sika Strength power build program that was designed for Haydn seems to bring a lot of this. Would highly recommend it for anyone interested in a power building program. 5 days per week, 9-weeks. The details of the first 2 9-week blocks are on Haydn’s channel.
@ekroizm2 күн бұрын
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@DarthNoshitam2 күн бұрын
Mike shouting out a PT, wtf?
@SuperDeathbody2 күн бұрын
Why everybody thinks there is range of set you can do to maximize gains. I think you can increase volume like number of reps or weight on the bar. If someone stop adding reps and weight. He can add more and more sets every session. Of course 100 sets of each muscle is strange and a waste of time but if someone wants it he can get there. Question: What sets number is best? is like: What is best weight? Answer: It depends on the individual history of training. Someone know how train to increase volume? Not strength, hypertrophy but volume. How we can add sets when your sets in reps looks like 10,10,8,6,3 ?
@ShawnFumoКүн бұрын
I’d take a peek at the RP book Scientific Principles of Hypertrophy Training. It is a LOT to read lol but goes into all kinds of details. Like if you wanted even more volume but would go under 3 reps in a set, could do drop sets (lowering weight) or various other techniques
@citizenoftheninthdivision2 күн бұрын
98% of scientists agree with whoever is funding them.
@seattlegrrlie2 күн бұрын
If I try to do high volume around the rest of my life, I crash and die. Maybe if I was a full time athlete... But I'm a normal human with job, commute, errands, chores, pets, friends, etc
@BombSquad.MP4Күн бұрын
You’re not supposed to do high volume training anyway lol. It’s an inferior way of training. 2-3 days a week and 20-30 minutes in the gym is all you need, bud.
@djomla9999Күн бұрын
@@BombSquad.MP4 depends on your goals, but that sounds too low imo
@ShaddyzZz10 сағат бұрын
@@djomla9999depends on intensity.
@starwars007oele9 сағат бұрын
@@BombSquad.MP4for maintenance that would be barely enough, but if you really want to gain muscle that would be way to low volume!
@Kikwatz6 сағат бұрын
@@starwars007oeleWould be possible to make quite good gains but most people can't handle HIT. Much easier to make dozens of sets with half the intensity and similar or better gains but much more time wasted, too.
@peetos-chan28352 күн бұрын
Great minds up there!!
@DjDolHaus862 күн бұрын
Systemic fatigue sneaks up on you slowly and even with all the will in the world you will just hit a point where your strength and endurance begins to fail. You'll be able to get it back with some serious rest (take a week off) but if you're reaching that point too frequently then you should probably look at your routine and cut back on volume. Just knocking off 1 set per muscle group per session can mean you can go for much longer before needing a complete de-load to recover, in the short term it might feel like you're losing ground but over the course of a year it means you can see more progression overall. It's basically endurance racing versus a sprint, you're trading speed for distance
@davidk6269Күн бұрын
Well said. Your comments mirror my own experience.
@hooktraining3966Күн бұрын
yup, after 8 weeks of going HARD like actual failure when ALONE (so probably 3ish RIR) with a spotter I begin to slow down and struggle to hype up for the session. This becomes my mesocycle and then I take a week off of weightlifting and work some overtime.
@flow1188Күн бұрын
@@hooktraining3966 Well i Go Hard every Day without any Meso. Im Natty train 6 days a Weak extreme Hard. No Recover Problems. Its because i Love training.
@fwoggangidk2 күн бұрын
Bro in the thumbnail looks like an unkillible npc 😭
@clareellam54262 күн бұрын
Dr Mike ; NSFW as always. Not my opinion; my boss looking over my shoulder during lunch 🤷
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Thank you for simplifying things.
For people who lift hard, take every set to or close to functional failure, and you legitimately know what failure is, 16 sets a week of legit working sets will do the trick. No need to complicate it.i don’t think Arnold and Mentzer etc needed periodization and deload to build thick muscle
I really thought the intro was referring to the anabolic window 😂
How do you all feel about doing 3-4 reps on the first few sets and then your major set to failure. So you are having less junk volume and more effective reps. I guess you can say it’s more of a high intensity style and low volume. Am I losing out on the volume from those first few sets without training to 2-3 reps in reserve on those sets? The way I look at it as I’m maximizing my effective reps and hitting failure anyway without all the reps that don’t count.
That's fine. I like more like 6-8 or so, but you should be saving your energy for your working weight. I'm assuming you do more than 4 reps on your working sets (5-30). Warm up sets should not be close to failure.
TBH I think they should stop the research. All marginal, only use is to keep the content creators having something to talk about.
The background music is too quiet
So what you're saying is; I'm not doing enough?
Jacked Greek vs Israeli geek (I love them both just couldn’t let the joke go to waste lol)
Not a bmw driver smh
Απ τα lidl!!! Κλαίω!!
10:45 he was already crying for hope, from your jokes Dr. Mike 😁
I’m 40 years old. Everything makes me sore.
Just take some test and everything will be fine. Except your joints.
@@Kikwatz Not really.
I found you guys through Dr Mike, and I’m so glad I did you guys hv great information that I’m going to starting using, so kudos to you, great video 😃👍💪🇺🇸
Appreciating in silence, just for you gents and the algo
These science guys are so annoying. 50 sets is the stupidest thing I've heard
Are you changing the weight for Those added sets? You’re getting more tired or the strength level is going down as the sets go up Asking for a friend
Maybe I'm just dumb, but when there's this discussion of numbers of sets, how many reps per set are they talking about? Are they sets to failure, sets of 3-5 reps, 6-8 reps, 8-10 reps, what?
Reps ranges vary depending on what you're trying to achieve. Lower reps for body building and higher reps for power lifting. In general though Mikes always refers to anywhere between 6 - 30reps/or failure.
@@carloscastano3666 🤣
So progressive overload
Wonder if the results of these studies would be different if we did them on pro bodybuilders on grams of shit, high dosages of gh, peptides and insulin + the food and carbs obviously.
The science based community is so annoying lmao. They always over complicate anything
Your best bet is confusing the muscle and keep switching up your program sets and reps. Plus it keeps your workouts fun .
Man i just can't stop laughing that guy was advertising,From 8 set s yo the most twenty ,that constant tension is negative and so many more thing i am literally bored to report, and now i see him say things like 50 sets the pump the partional low range of the motion all thise that old school allready knew and guys like me see in their own body from years of training and we were getting bashed on the comments for stating things we knew from ourselves and the most decorated pros, hilarious and tragic,you tube guys are like politicians they come after 4-5 years saying almost complete the opposites than before and pretending that is the same
I remember this big blob coming up to me at the gym telling me i need to add more weight to get more blood flow to the area, i look like an athlete, you look like you eat quarter pounders all day
Who are you trying to convince? Stop being insecure and do your own thing.
Is there carry over in muscle groups if you do 5 sets of bench does that count towards triceps
Off course mate, you use your triceps in the bench press
My man is finally getting some cauliflower ear :') I love you mike, so proud
well, more pronounced I should say lol
52 sets a week on one body group is insane! Might as well camp in the gym at that point. Good lord!
How does decreased performance during a work out signal that the volume is no longer effective for hypertrophy?
“2 weeks in Greece with you people… I didn’t mean to say ‘you people’ … but I do mean that offensively.” 😂🤣😂 I’m glad I wasn’t drinking anything when he said that …
Lying dumbbell skull crushers with strict form and slow on the negative till absolute failure will make your triceps sore every time.
Wasn’t this bozo a HUGE proponent of the jab?
But do you add volume or weight 😉
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Please ignore science. It changes in every video. Be safe. Trust gym Bros 💪
My legs are the only thing that gets sore. 😢😢
Mike wishes he could come out of the closet
😅
Overhead deadlifts and barbell pec flyes
Dr. Mike without the constant sexual double entendres would be SO much better ! It's just SO tedious and unpleasant.
Disagree.
Bro that's just his personality take it or leave. You can't tell other people how to be.
There are general guidelines but bottom line is you need to figure out what works best for you. Everyone is different and will recover differently. Not to mention the natty vs gear variable.
I can confidently say that I cannot overtrain. I’m currently at 50+ sets per muscle group per week. I have been for several months. It took 6-8 weeks to ramp up volume, to avoid ridiculous DOMS at such high volume. Since I adapted to the volume, I haven’t been sore for any reason besides poor programming, ie. pushing a chest day off and having 30+ sets in the next session 😅🤢 High volume has gained me 50+ pounds of decently lean mass in the last year and a half. My point is that more volume is recoverable, effective, and is certifiably fun af. I went from 150 to 200 lbs BW as a 22 year old guy over multiple bulking and mini cutting cycles. The progress is continuing to go hard af. No injuries with slow, “good” technique and using lots of stretched movements. Increase your volume. It’s worth it.
Why not ignore the periodization aspect and do as much volume as you possibly can as early as you possibly can, all the way up to 52 sets per week per muscle group. That’s what the research shows is effective, all common sense aside. Genuinely I do 52+ sets per week for quads, hamstrings, chest, back, arms, and shoulders. I didn’t get sore after the first 6-8 weeks of increasing volume to that point. I am growing like mad. My progress hasn’t slowed down in the last year and a half. Just separate your muscle groups across the week to keep sets per session to less than 20. Easy W. Yes I do two a days most days and spend 2-3 hours in the gym lol but screw it why not.
The Sika Strength power build program that was designed for Haydn seems to bring a lot of this. Would highly recommend it for anyone interested in a power building program. 5 days per week, 9-weeks. The details of the first 2 9-week blocks are on Haydn’s channel.
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Mike shouting out a PT, wtf?
Why everybody thinks there is range of set you can do to maximize gains. I think you can increase volume like number of reps or weight on the bar. If someone stop adding reps and weight. He can add more and more sets every session. Of course 100 sets of each muscle is strange and a waste of time but if someone wants it he can get there. Question: What sets number is best? is like: What is best weight? Answer: It depends on the individual history of training. Someone know how train to increase volume? Not strength, hypertrophy but volume. How we can add sets when your sets in reps looks like 10,10,8,6,3 ?
I’d take a peek at the RP book Scientific Principles of Hypertrophy Training. It is a LOT to read lol but goes into all kinds of details. Like if you wanted even more volume but would go under 3 reps in a set, could do drop sets (lowering weight) or various other techniques
98% of scientists agree with whoever is funding them.
If I try to do high volume around the rest of my life, I crash and die. Maybe if I was a full time athlete... But I'm a normal human with job, commute, errands, chores, pets, friends, etc
You’re not supposed to do high volume training anyway lol. It’s an inferior way of training. 2-3 days a week and 20-30 minutes in the gym is all you need, bud.
@@BombSquad.MP4 depends on your goals, but that sounds too low imo
@@djomla9999depends on intensity.
@@BombSquad.MP4for maintenance that would be barely enough, but if you really want to gain muscle that would be way to low volume!
@@starwars007oeleWould be possible to make quite good gains but most people can't handle HIT. Much easier to make dozens of sets with half the intensity and similar or better gains but much more time wasted, too.
Great minds up there!!
Systemic fatigue sneaks up on you slowly and even with all the will in the world you will just hit a point where your strength and endurance begins to fail. You'll be able to get it back with some serious rest (take a week off) but if you're reaching that point too frequently then you should probably look at your routine and cut back on volume. Just knocking off 1 set per muscle group per session can mean you can go for much longer before needing a complete de-load to recover, in the short term it might feel like you're losing ground but over the course of a year it means you can see more progression overall. It's basically endurance racing versus a sprint, you're trading speed for distance
Well said. Your comments mirror my own experience.
yup, after 8 weeks of going HARD like actual failure when ALONE (so probably 3ish RIR) with a spotter I begin to slow down and struggle to hype up for the session. This becomes my mesocycle and then I take a week off of weightlifting and work some overtime.
@@hooktraining3966 Well i Go Hard every Day without any Meso. Im Natty train 6 days a Weak extreme Hard. No Recover Problems. Its because i Love training.
Bro in the thumbnail looks like an unkillible npc 😭
Dr Mike ; NSFW as always. Not my opinion; my boss looking over my shoulder during lunch 🤷