There are many displays out there they are working with Vesc with lisp scripts like Xiaomi m365 display or Vsett display I’ve had the bbs02 with the Flipsky 75200 Pro v2
@JansBlog_official2 сағат бұрын
And 50A FW is little bit too much although it’s fun but it produces lots of heat in the motor and the phase wires
@nemohunter873 сағат бұрын
I was reading somewhere.. that a fix for that rough start/cogging on zero take off can be fixed by increasing the voltage without throttle i believe? Have to turn safe start off and then tune it to where it wont make your bike take off but it keeps the gears/clutch engaged on certain motors.. maybe something to look into for temporary fix?
@dantheman38154 сағат бұрын
love your videos bro! but Bbshd deserves a dual suspension bike its a whole different ballgame with rear suspension
@uvwuvw-ol3fg3 сағат бұрын
Suspension might be beneficial only on offroad at low speeds or high speeds on-road. Also can't use heavily loaded rack on suspension frames.
@Bengy229 сағат бұрын
I'm still here! Just have been too busy to consume some content lately. Glad to see you are back to working on the bbshd with vesc. If you flash the no limits firmware you can your 21s battery on the flipsky for even more power. Worth noting that VESC battery amps is before FW. So keep that in mind when setting your stuff. Virtual freewheeling would be good that way you don't have the drivetrain smack when getting on the throttle.
@rufusirvin527911 сағат бұрын
I asked Grin about hooking CA to a different controller and "If you're not using our controller then you'll want to go with the Stand Alone Cycle Analyst display. " There should be a diagram there for hook up . I believe they may have a wiring harness, not sure.
@bwonghere10 сағат бұрын
Not needed. They sell a CA with shunt mod or a shunt mod separately for another CA. You can buy a speed sensor from there website and integrate it into another CA. You can buy CA adapters and cables or make your own. They even sell dual throttle, dual battery shunts and run dual controllers. Obviously the shunt CA with wheel speed sensor works with any controller, and if you hook the controller throttle input to the CA and the throttle to the CA you can set maximum power limits or top speed limit or multiple settings with a toggle.
@EBikeBuilder_10 сағат бұрын
i also think u can open up the CA. and then solder in a speedo directly onto the PCB some how, I saw a manual somewhere. about doing that. But might not be possible on all of them , im not sure
@rufusirvin52797 сағат бұрын
@@EBikeBuilder_ I am hooking a CA to a Votol 150 controller. Does the VESC have a shunt? On Endless Sphere there is a thread "How to add a 6-pin Cycle Analyst (CA) adapter to a VOTOL EM-150 Controller" with diagram, might be useful.
@EBikeBuilder_3 сағат бұрын
@@rufusirvin5279ah yeah i see, it seems i could wire up the cycle analyst WP8 plug to the flipsky? I think it must have a shunt inside the flipsky, ooh boy i woke up at 430 am and now I’m started on this again
@NoInfoFound11 сағат бұрын
Thanks for showing the vesc/flipsky/bbshd config... I'd be interested in how the default cruise control works with vesc/flipsky (a commenter described the expected vesc behavior in a prior video). Although I use it, I would consider that a lower priority for your experiments since it appears most people don't use that feature.
@EBikeBuilder_10 сағат бұрын
some of the stuff in vesc... like the PAS .. isn't very good. IMO there's only one way to set up the PAS parameters in VESC to get it working how you would expect. So i dont get why they have the parameters at all. I gave up on that PAS. I will have to figure out my own, I started on it. , But i was having trouble with running the motor with a script. im not sure if i have to flash the VESC firmware on my flipsky and certain functions in the scripting are only supported on higher versions of VESC, or what. GBut when I was calling the 'set current' function in vesc that i thought SHOULD spin the motor, it seemed like it was trying to spin backwards? and really weird stuff, not smooth at all, Even though I was telling it to barely use any current. I was using the script as they described in the documentation, But then it wasn't having the expected results- Lol. My flipskys on VESC 6.02. and i think some features might not be available until VESC 6.04 or VESC 6.05 or the most recent version of VESC, or something, not sure... I was trying to get it to spin my hub motor... was going backwards really jerky and rough... Kind of tough to figure out wtf was going on . I will try it again with the HD. But right now I think yeah figuring out how to spin the motor with the script. or at least throttle the power being applied to the motor via script some how is absolutely critical. So i have to sit here for a whole day and figure that out first, probably, to be able to start working on any of these features I need Lol. Basic motor control scripting fundamentals crash course Required 🤣 I am gonna get this thing working smooth Cuz the MTPA is really nice. And this thing can go faster than the phaserunner it has unlocked FW. But yeah will take some work. I dont have a whole lot of places I could use or test cruise control.. And I would have to get the motor working smoothly first in order to work on cruise control. But I see what you were saying about the default behavior. It would be nice to be able to change that. I thikn from the script there should be some way to stop it or change the behavior somehow. Ill have to look into it, If i recall thats what you wanted was to change the behavior of the cruise control? In relation to the throttle input, and brake cutoffs, Lol its been a while i need to get caught up to speed It took me some fussing around to get the HD working at all !!! Ty for the Comment mate ill sitdown and try make some progress soon 🤣🤣🤣
@Robert-s5d12 сағат бұрын
Lucky where you are, they just banned just about 80% of ebikes and mobility scooters for the eldery here... Some reading ; As of Tuesday, access to public roads is prohibited for two- or three-wheeled motorized vehicles that, with or without pedals, resemble a motorcycle or moped, do not bear the national safety mark and have at least one of the following characteristics: They are equipped with footrests or a platform for the driver's feet. They are equipped with a set of tires and wheels that resemble those of a motorcycle or moped. They are equipped with a body that partially or completely covers their frame or some of their components and are not equipped with an adjustable-height saddle. They are equipped with an engine that allows them to reach a speed of more than 32 km/h or has a nominal power greater than 500 watts.
@EBikeBuilder_11 сағат бұрын
Get an Ebike that does not resemble a motorcycle or moped, bears the national safety mark, with pedals (no pegs or footrests), bicycle tires and wheels/rims (not moto rims or wheels), needs to look like a bicycle frame- without any obstructing battery or controller compartment (not a Ride1Up Revv1, etc), then I guess you would want to use a motor that is 500W nominal - i would get a Bafang BBS02. There are different versions of the BBS02 - 250W, 500W, 750W, etc. So I mean.. you could get a 500W one and that would be totally legit? And limit it to 32 KM/H. Then have some other mode where u could just go buck wild when you are "off road". It sounds like u could even get a 500W bafang hub motor on a fat bike, they arent bad they can get going about 25mph
@bwonghere10 сағат бұрын
If you legitimately want the most legal performance, a geared hub motor with a powerful controller is best. Speed is determined by rpm per volt. Many Canadian bikes are setup to do 32km/500watts, and when going uphill, the back emf can increase the Wattage much higher, like 800-900 watts. Second option is a bafang bbs02 500 watt midmotor, and use a 52volt battery instead of 48 volt. I hardly use setting 9 which is fastest, but I use setting 3. Another option is buying a grin all axle motor, if you run if off a twelve volt battery, at 100 rpm, they will laser etch 250 volts, obviously if you take it home and run 2,000-3,000 watts at 72volts than they don't care. You can install a base runner into a battery and run without display.
@Robert-s5d53 минут бұрын
@@EBikeBuilder_ No DIY, only bikes with that sticker are the big $$ brand ones . Only thing is make it faster, strip all the markings, lights, serial # ect. and don't stop . Shit load of paths here and I know them all .
@McEddModzHD4985414 сағат бұрын
So is it 20ah or 8?
@EBikeBuilder_14 сағат бұрын
front motor is on 52v 8ah samsung 40t3. and the rear is on 72v 20ah same cells.
@counter929Күн бұрын
Looks like im about to be in the same boat. Pushed my motor to hard and heard that same noise, thought it was my planetary gears, and then noticed a magnet sunk/ at regular height compared to entire magnet line up. Will definitely give this a watch more than once, thabk you for the info and process
@EBikeBuilder_Күн бұрын
the JB weld worked fine to hold the magnets in, make sure to wipe off the top of the magnets as the air gap between rotor and stator is small and you dont want JB weld scraping. In my case I think i screwed up my entire rotor with the gear puller on accident is why I had to get rid of that rotor. But the JB weld was working. I dont think those magnets have ANY adhesive on them by default BTW, i think they just stick to the metal of that rotor shell. But if you use too much power on the motor or if they get hot , it seems like they can slip around and come loose
@counter929Күн бұрын
@@EBikeBuilder_ I wish I had taken a picture when I pulled my motor apart, there looked to be some kind of volcanized rubber/adhesive being pushed out of the space between the magnets. I'll have to keep an eye out while removing the rotor. This'll be fun project
@EBikeBuilder_21 сағат бұрын
@@counter929 yeah I have an 8 inch gear puller from Menards and it was a little big and the jaws were a bit thick … be careful when using the gear puller make sure it’s jaws are only touching the rotor, and not anything else, and make sure its aligned straight, I’m not sure how i did it. But i totally jacked a rotor and bent it with the gear puller!! I had to use a grinder to grind down the legs of the 8” gear puller so they cleared the rest of the motor better. And now it works like a dream and no worries of damaging another rotor
@counter92920 сағат бұрын
@@EBikeBuilder_ thank you for the info gonna be looking at my motor today after work
@davihazel3653Күн бұрын
Bro, it sounds to me like you should come on over to Infinite Plane Society here on utube and check out the content. I've been a member for many years and it's helped me see though all the bs. What's the fastest you've been on a ebike? What's your limit? I'm thinking about making a channel and sharing everything I've done with my ebikes because you inspired me a while back and i learned a few things. Thanks again for all the help and sharing your skills and thoughts.
@EBikeBuilder_Күн бұрын
i'll have to check that out, I've been to many channels like that... and they either get disappeared, or they grow a large subscriber base- and start spreading the gospel about how the sky is green haha. I've gone 50mph on the 75v bbshd with the phaserunner. And 50mph down a hill with the bbs02 before I melted the motor core Lol. When I had 3 motors on the fat bike it could do 45 to 50 too. But I'm using walmart bikes, and I have flat out in my tires. So I'm usually cruisng at or around the 30mph ebike speeds Lol. Only thing about going fast is it uses a lot of battery. and the motor can heat up. If you wanna go fast need more expensive components like brakes suspension, tires to be safe etc. Probably need a big direct drive hub motor. And yeah I dont know if i would want to be going much faster on walmart bike rims with amazon spokes and stuff hahah. Where I live 30 - 50mph is pretty useful. But when you get on the county roads and interstate you need to be going like 75MPH +
@lukewalker1051Күн бұрын
Gaslighting is the new Millenium. Did you hear? Biden hasn't cognitively declined and he is fitter than he has ever been and Kamala Harris was never responsible for the border. Dumb Joe's onerous spending policies and pandering to special interests and giving free stuff to people who don't pay taxes didn't bring us inflation. And dumb Joe's absence on the world stage didn't promote two world wars which is bankrupting America as we wallow in 34 Trillion in debt. The new, woke reality anybody with an IQ over 95 knows is a lie. But guess what? For every smart person in America, there is an uneducated dumb one. Statistics are immutable and life is a bell curve and the left side of the bell curve sucks. PS. and also why you build your own high power ebikes and the listless masses purchase low value, low performance ebikes with sh_tty batteries and designed to fail in our disposable society where people are no longer smart enough to fix anything.
@user-zx9yy6lu9pКүн бұрын
What are the differences from this and a BHSS
@briansmythe30002 күн бұрын
The Devil roams the Earth 😮
@BrettWoodBiking2 күн бұрын
Hey so around Friday afternoon I tried something after torquing everything in in the rear of my bike again, and again after each ride ... It's Sunday afternoon and everything 's remained torqued down properly so this kind of confirmed something for me and I figured I'd share a major oversight on my part and it's really obvious and kind of embarrassing. It made me realize maybe other s are skipping this as well . After disassembling my wheel completely, I chased all the threaded bolt and screw holes with swabs dipped in alcohol. I could not believe the amount of residual black sooty oil from the production process was in these bolt holes! I even cleaned off the bolts and screws in the same manner. Added fresh blue 242, and I even wiped down the threads of the axle bolts with a rag soaked with alcohol. Everything was coming off black including the threads in the nuts. This was a new hub too. so I can only imagine what is going on with an older one . Nothing has budged since. Hopefully it lasts. ☺️👍
@BruceGordon9252 күн бұрын
Green you say? How many times and just what does it mean?
@jacobclark892 күн бұрын
I don't like thumb throttles ,If the thumb throttle gets stuck you crash , ☠️
@Robert-s5d2 күн бұрын
If you just ignore them they get very disturbed and go away . Now back to reality, when i activate phase filter on my FlipSky the low speed and start is fantastic but the throttle develops a big dead spot at high speed. Still works but only at the top end . VESC Guru, any ideas ?
@EBikeBuilder_Күн бұрын
I’ve always had phase f on, I’m not sure, but big daddy elon says; Enabling the phase filter in VESC (Vedder Electronic Speed Controller) can introduce a noticeable delay in the response of the motor, which might make it seem like there is a dead spot in your throttle on the high end. Here’s why: 1. **Phase Filter Functionality**: The phase filter smooths out the current to reduce noise and improve efficiency, but it also slows down the responsiveness of the motor to changes in throttle input. This smoothing effect can result in a delay, particularly noticeable at higher throttle levels where the motor requires more current adjustments. 2. **Throttle Response Lag**: At higher throttle levels, the motor demands rapid and precise current changes to maintain performance. The phase filter might not keep up with these rapid changes, causing a lag in throttle response. This lag can be perceived as a dead spot because the motor does not accelerate as quickly as expected when you increase the throttle. 3. **Filtering and Power Delivery**: Filtering can also affect the power delivery curve, making it less linear. As a result, the throttle response may feel less predictable, especially at higher speeds where the phase filter has a more pronounced effect on the motor’s performance. 4. **Motor Feedback**: The phase filter can alter the feedback loop of the motor controller. If the controller is not tuned to account for the added filtering, the system might struggle to maintain a smooth and consistent power delivery, further contributing to the sensation of a dead spot at higher throttle levels. To address this issue, you might need to adjust the phase filter settings or experiment with different VESC configurations to balance the filtering effect with the desired throttle response.
@Robert-s5dКүн бұрын
@@EBikeBuilder_ Thank You for the timely reply, I shall then continue on Unfiltered and Unfettered .
@ktc75762 күн бұрын
you seriously riding that with slippers????????
@MarkPesell2 күн бұрын
The sky ain't blue dammit. You tell me then why is grass blue? Huh huh see you can't answer that fact. What the hell is wrong with people today
@TK-OK3 күн бұрын
Liberalism is a self inflicted retardation
@crispysocksss3 күн бұрын
Quantum of conscience, a reality few can see
@EBikeBuilder_3 күн бұрын
@@crispysocksss I’m just trying not to lose any more soul tokens
@waktosha73783 күн бұрын
Hi-tin steel usually bends instead of cracking. Chromoly usually breaks at the welds.
@paulmryglod48023 күн бұрын
Ohhhh. Yeah, gusset like the old-school bikes.
@EBikeBuilder_Күн бұрын
Yup that thing needs some reinforcement!!
@stevecumming64273 күн бұрын
That's where the old saying of you're entitled to have your own opinion, but you don't get your own set of facts came from "gaslighters" gaslighting. The govt shot at & missed killing The President only by Devine Intervention IMHO 2 weeks ago today.
@fatihderking0513 күн бұрын
Yes, they try to change reality for the normies, they dont believe in it but U have to ! be sick of it , please !
@EBikeBuilder_2 күн бұрын
“Rules For Thee, BUT Not For Me!” 🙄 🤥 👸 🧛♀️ 🦎
@patrickoneill10113 күн бұрын
Flat Earther's! Or Aliens or Simulation Characters... 😅 There's some people with personal Agendas and I don't accept their garbage. I live the way I want, not by others' Madness..
@EBikeBuilder_3 күн бұрын
@@patrickoneill1011 flat earth is interesting, I’ve given that some thought 💭 but just from the way light behaves during sunrise and sunset, flat earth seems hard to fathom. I’m still left wondering what’s going on in 🇦🇶 and with the solar eclipse. And space. 😂🤣 but yeah I’m not sold on flat earth at all. Seems unlikely . But if i see the edge, I’m not going anywhere near it, either. 🤨🧐😂🤣
@stl56823 күн бұрын
Hey could you please repeat the part when you said all that stuff about the thing?
@joethetoe33663 күн бұрын
"evolution is real" says the one devolving before us Created men
@davidlorin13793 күн бұрын
Oh, you took the red pill. Welcome to the real.
@EBikeBuilder_3 күн бұрын
@@davidlorin1379 I’m on some fucked up pill 💊 10 steps past the red and black ones
@joethetoe33662 күн бұрын
@@EBikeBuilder_ exactly, check my community post. Even the biggest "Blackpilled" of them never has solutions, just whine about unfixable unnaturalness. My unchangable title is Man. Always stay in true especially with claims
@nicod9743 күн бұрын
The president of France is one of them...
@EBikeBuilder_2 күн бұрын
@@nicod974 🌞 🔎 🦎
@BrettWoodBiking3 күн бұрын
??? What was that. Colors. Lizard people. I need the deets😂
@EBikeBuilder_3 күн бұрын
Any and every possibility is on the table at this point in the circus 🎪 🤡
@BrettWoodBiking3 күн бұрын
@@EBikeBuilder_ not sure where the circus is but , I'll go along with it. Kind of dealing with my own atm. Just got delivered the grin technologies V5 torque arm and it's missing parts from the list in the pamphlet. I got it off Amazon for a grand total of $39.41 after tax 🙄 crazy price. Their website is $22 but they charge over $10 for shipping on what is basically the weight of about 5 U.S quarters thrown in a plastic ziploc bag. I mean, it's not like I have anywhere else to go to get this kind of stuff so, I guess they realize it too and can name their price. I'm kind of worried just saying this will get the wrath of the Fanboys on me too 😂 Don't get me wrong it's nice and I need it, I just feel like that price was gross and even though I got the parts to replace what's missing, I should get what I paid for. And maybe even more
@EBikeBuilder_3 күн бұрын
@@BrettWoodBikingthe thing about fulfillment by amazon, its people will buy it, take pieces out of the bag, then return it like a dixk and then the guy at amazon just takes the return and sends it out to some other guy as a new torque arm. So on Amazon just be ruthless with the returns, if its missing stuff - send it back for sure. Grin has no control over what Amazon and consumers do . And funny shit happens. Even with Flipsky controllers. Amazon takes shit back and tries to sell it like new all the time
@dennisvoltaire11463 күн бұрын
How much does that beast weigh? I have a Mongoose Argus Steel fat bike, looks fun to do this dual motor project. Hate buying pre-built
@ecocentrichomestead67833 күн бұрын
A question for you: I don't understand how the pedal assist works. IMO, if I have a 750W E-bike with three levels of PAS (four if you count 0), it should work like this: 0 = same as if the power is turned off. 1 = 250W of power regardless off how fast one pedals or speed the bike is going 2 = 500W of power regardless off how fast one pedals or speed the bike is going 3 = 750W of power regardless off how fast one pedals or speed the bike is going Restricting top speed I understand because of regulations, but speed limits at each level of assist, might as well just use throttle on flat land.
@EBikeBuilder_3 күн бұрын
Oh im not using PAS on this BBSHD at all. It has PAS circuitry in the motor, but i dont have it hooked up, its a cadence sensor and its not really great. I just pedal some times like up steep inclines to get a feel for how much stress im putting on the motor and to help out a bit
@EBikeBuilder_3 күн бұрын
a lot of ebikes that are "750W" ebikes are referring to the nominal power of the motor, that it can do continuously, and in the case of a 750w ebike. they often do upwards of 1600W "peak". The laws arent clear about whether its battery power output, or motor power output at the wheel, its all a gray area, no one goes by 750w, not even US manufacturers. Forget about all the current laws and legistlations they are very loosely followed. Just dont ride the bike in such a way that puts other people in danger or scares other people and makes them fearful. Now even when you are riding safe it still apparently scares the elderly and dunces So really as you ride a bike around just be prepared to offend everyone.
@nemohunter873 күн бұрын
have you had any issues with those quick release skewers and the bbshd on high power?
@EBikeBuilder_3 күн бұрын
i get them as tight as possible, these are still the ones that came on the bike. ANd I have a skewer that came on this other wheel I have on my bbs02 bike, its a shimano QR skewer, that one feels a million times more solid. They work fine But ive had one pop loose on my 02 one time. It could be disastrous. Id use the Shimano ones. They are very solid. and just have to make sure its crazy tight. Maybe there's some way to make it safer? i have seen some chain tensioners that seem to hook onto the derailleur area, but then the quick release skewer goes through it. and kind of secures it on the bike. I think u could potentially just get some kind of metal attached to the frame where the quick release skewer would go through a hole like a through axle Lol. But Yeah., Ive had the wheel almost fall off on my bbs02 bike one time coming down off a curb. It happened without high power. Even on low power the 02 is a lot of torque
@stevecumming64273 күн бұрын
Why didn't you BMX style ride over that fallen log & break another frome to weld back togeather? 😂
@EBikeBuilder_3 күн бұрын
it was 2 ft off the ground, I could barely lift my bike over it 🤣 But I like that line of thinking Steve!! Would If I could 😂
@E-bikeguy3 күн бұрын
Do you know how that happens?
@paulmryglod48023 күн бұрын
I have two of these frames with 5k motors. I think it's the front hub drive adding forward forces
@EBikeBuilder_Күн бұрын
Yeah i think its the front motor, when you give it lots of power it feels like the steer tube cranks on the frame , lol i think that area is just where the metal was stressing and fatigued. Of course i ride the bike rough for 4 years too
@paulmryglod4802Күн бұрын
@@EBikeBuilder_ oh shoot 4 years! I only have a year on each frame. Gonna keep an eye on it.
@likfrikbik4 күн бұрын
50 Celsius temperature when you get up that little hill? Where is that temp from?motor or controller? I have temp probe on outside of stock BBSHD controller, and stop riding at 42 Celsius of outside case temp,so im guessing it's 10 more Celsius inside, it's too hot for stock controller. My gearing is different, 42T front, 50T back, i could get on top of that hill without peddling, with motor temp below 40 Celsius.
@EBikeBuilder_4 күн бұрын
thermistor is inside the motor, thermal glued on the stator. I dont need to pedal this bike, But some times i do just to engage the drivetrain Or for balance. Its nice to gear it low on high voltage yes! i have a few chainrings where I could gear this lower, But it starts to take too much power to ride on the streets when I gear it lower
@likfrikbik3 күн бұрын
@@EBikeBuilder_ Rotor and stator can take temps above 90 Celsius, that's ok. How are the temps on controller?
@maximumchargeEV4 күн бұрын
wow! Time to weld! Or new frame?
@EBikeBuilder_4 күн бұрын
Going to take some steel plates like 1/8” thick, and cut them in such a way where they can be welded on each side of the frame connecting the head tube , down tube, and top tube, lol probably make the steel plate large enough where its going further down the tubing past where the crack is happening. Is kind of how i imagine it. Like the gussets on a bmx or something but probably chunky and more Frankenstein . 😂 maybe i can fit the phaserunner up in the frame and have the welded plates hide it ?? Not sure. My brother will just weld some shit on there and I’ll go with it 😂
@briansmythe30004 күн бұрын
At Least Ya Found it Now , and Not after barreling down the Road at 50 MPH , Or after Wheeling Into a Fence LOL
@EBikeBuilder_4 күн бұрын
@@briansmythe3000 yeah that creak was so bad i could feel it, but i was kind of being lazy about it and thought it was my derelict front fork . If the down tube broke that whole thing would fall apart 🫠🫣🫨
@orbit54494 күн бұрын
How about damage caused by vibrations and the bike frame without suspension, I ride in the mountains and the whole bike shakes a lot, does it have a very negative impact on the bike's battery pack, I have it in a Polly 9 case, are there any ways to reduce these battery vibrations? when moving over rocks.
@EBikeBuilder_4 күн бұрын
@@orbit5449 ya definitely , its a hard tail, I’ve been riding this bike for 3 Years, in the rain and winter salty roads etc. so this bike has seen it all ! Yeah the battery construction is important if you are riding hard especially. But in general an ebike battery should be assumed to be subject to lots of vibration. And built accordingly. Spot welds and nickel strips alone aren’t Enough
@EddieED7114 күн бұрын
Can I run a 52v 20ah 40amp battery with a 45amp controller? My hub is 48v 1500w.
@EBikeBuilder_4 күн бұрын
Yeah if the battery can only do 40 amps - run it at that, 40/45 is 88% of max, so pas 4/5 , pas 8/9, etc. the hub motor itself doesn’t care about the voltage, its the controller that might care about going from 48v to 52v but in some circumstances the 48v controller works fine on 52v . Only thing about a 48v controller on a 52v battery, is you might be able to drain the battery more than a 52v battery should be drained, but assuming the battery has a functioning BMS it should turn off when it hits the 52v low voltage. TLDR is yeah it’ll probably work. Unless something doesn’t like going above 54.6V . Cuz the 52v battery will charge up to 58.8V. I have had a bike with a 48v controller where it wouldn’t let me use a fully charged 52v battery on it, i could only charge up to 56v instead of 58.8v , for example
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There are many displays out there they are working with Vesc with lisp scripts like Xiaomi m365 display or Vsett display I’ve had the bbs02 with the Flipsky 75200 Pro v2
And 50A FW is little bit too much although it’s fun but it produces lots of heat in the motor and the phase wires
I was reading somewhere.. that a fix for that rough start/cogging on zero take off can be fixed by increasing the voltage without throttle i believe? Have to turn safe start off and then tune it to where it wont make your bike take off but it keeps the gears/clutch engaged on certain motors.. maybe something to look into for temporary fix?
love your videos bro! but Bbshd deserves a dual suspension bike its a whole different ballgame with rear suspension
Suspension might be beneficial only on offroad at low speeds or high speeds on-road. Also can't use heavily loaded rack on suspension frames.
I'm still here! Just have been too busy to consume some content lately. Glad to see you are back to working on the bbshd with vesc. If you flash the no limits firmware you can your 21s battery on the flipsky for even more power. Worth noting that VESC battery amps is before FW. So keep that in mind when setting your stuff. Virtual freewheeling would be good that way you don't have the drivetrain smack when getting on the throttle.
I asked Grin about hooking CA to a different controller and "If you're not using our controller then you'll want to go with the Stand Alone Cycle Analyst display. " There should be a diagram there for hook up . I believe they may have a wiring harness, not sure.
Not needed. They sell a CA with shunt mod or a shunt mod separately for another CA. You can buy a speed sensor from there website and integrate it into another CA. You can buy CA adapters and cables or make your own. They even sell dual throttle, dual battery shunts and run dual controllers. Obviously the shunt CA with wheel speed sensor works with any controller, and if you hook the controller throttle input to the CA and the throttle to the CA you can set maximum power limits or top speed limit or multiple settings with a toggle.
i also think u can open up the CA. and then solder in a speedo directly onto the PCB some how, I saw a manual somewhere. about doing that. But might not be possible on all of them , im not sure
@@EBikeBuilder_ I am hooking a CA to a Votol 150 controller. Does the VESC have a shunt? On Endless Sphere there is a thread "How to add a 6-pin Cycle Analyst (CA) adapter to a VOTOL EM-150 Controller" with diagram, might be useful.
@@rufusirvin5279ah yeah i see, it seems i could wire up the cycle analyst WP8 plug to the flipsky? I think it must have a shunt inside the flipsky, ooh boy i woke up at 430 am and now I’m started on this again
Thanks for showing the vesc/flipsky/bbshd config... I'd be interested in how the default cruise control works with vesc/flipsky (a commenter described the expected vesc behavior in a prior video). Although I use it, I would consider that a lower priority for your experiments since it appears most people don't use that feature.
some of the stuff in vesc... like the PAS .. isn't very good. IMO there's only one way to set up the PAS parameters in VESC to get it working how you would expect. So i dont get why they have the parameters at all. I gave up on that PAS. I will have to figure out my own, I started on it. , But i was having trouble with running the motor with a script. im not sure if i have to flash the VESC firmware on my flipsky and certain functions in the scripting are only supported on higher versions of VESC, or what. GBut when I was calling the 'set current' function in vesc that i thought SHOULD spin the motor, it seemed like it was trying to spin backwards? and really weird stuff, not smooth at all, Even though I was telling it to barely use any current. I was using the script as they described in the documentation, But then it wasn't having the expected results- Lol. My flipskys on VESC 6.02. and i think some features might not be available until VESC 6.04 or VESC 6.05 or the most recent version of VESC, or something, not sure... I was trying to get it to spin my hub motor... was going backwards really jerky and rough... Kind of tough to figure out wtf was going on . I will try it again with the HD. But right now I think yeah figuring out how to spin the motor with the script. or at least throttle the power being applied to the motor via script some how is absolutely critical. So i have to sit here for a whole day and figure that out first, probably, to be able to start working on any of these features I need Lol. Basic motor control scripting fundamentals crash course Required 🤣 I am gonna get this thing working smooth Cuz the MTPA is really nice. And this thing can go faster than the phaserunner it has unlocked FW. But yeah will take some work. I dont have a whole lot of places I could use or test cruise control.. And I would have to get the motor working smoothly first in order to work on cruise control. But I see what you were saying about the default behavior. It would be nice to be able to change that. I thikn from the script there should be some way to stop it or change the behavior somehow. Ill have to look into it, If i recall thats what you wanted was to change the behavior of the cruise control? In relation to the throttle input, and brake cutoffs, Lol its been a while i need to get caught up to speed It took me some fussing around to get the HD working at all !!! Ty for the Comment mate ill sitdown and try make some progress soon 🤣🤣🤣
Lucky where you are, they just banned just about 80% of ebikes and mobility scooters for the eldery here... Some reading ; As of Tuesday, access to public roads is prohibited for two- or three-wheeled motorized vehicles that, with or without pedals, resemble a motorcycle or moped, do not bear the national safety mark and have at least one of the following characteristics: They are equipped with footrests or a platform for the driver's feet. They are equipped with a set of tires and wheels that resemble those of a motorcycle or moped. They are equipped with a body that partially or completely covers their frame or some of their components and are not equipped with an adjustable-height saddle. They are equipped with an engine that allows them to reach a speed of more than 32 km/h or has a nominal power greater than 500 watts.
Get an Ebike that does not resemble a motorcycle or moped, bears the national safety mark, with pedals (no pegs or footrests), bicycle tires and wheels/rims (not moto rims or wheels), needs to look like a bicycle frame- without any obstructing battery or controller compartment (not a Ride1Up Revv1, etc), then I guess you would want to use a motor that is 500W nominal - i would get a Bafang BBS02. There are different versions of the BBS02 - 250W, 500W, 750W, etc. So I mean.. you could get a 500W one and that would be totally legit? And limit it to 32 KM/H. Then have some other mode where u could just go buck wild when you are "off road". It sounds like u could even get a 500W bafang hub motor on a fat bike, they arent bad they can get going about 25mph
If you legitimately want the most legal performance, a geared hub motor with a powerful controller is best. Speed is determined by rpm per volt. Many Canadian bikes are setup to do 32km/500watts, and when going uphill, the back emf can increase the Wattage much higher, like 800-900 watts. Second option is a bafang bbs02 500 watt midmotor, and use a 52volt battery instead of 48 volt. I hardly use setting 9 which is fastest, but I use setting 3. Another option is buying a grin all axle motor, if you run if off a twelve volt battery, at 100 rpm, they will laser etch 250 volts, obviously if you take it home and run 2,000-3,000 watts at 72volts than they don't care. You can install a base runner into a battery and run without display.
@@EBikeBuilder_ No DIY, only bikes with that sticker are the big $$ brand ones . Only thing is make it faster, strip all the markings, lights, serial # ect. and don't stop . Shit load of paths here and I know them all .
So is it 20ah or 8?
front motor is on 52v 8ah samsung 40t3. and the rear is on 72v 20ah same cells.
Looks like im about to be in the same boat. Pushed my motor to hard and heard that same noise, thought it was my planetary gears, and then noticed a magnet sunk/ at regular height compared to entire magnet line up. Will definitely give this a watch more than once, thabk you for the info and process
the JB weld worked fine to hold the magnets in, make sure to wipe off the top of the magnets as the air gap between rotor and stator is small and you dont want JB weld scraping. In my case I think i screwed up my entire rotor with the gear puller on accident is why I had to get rid of that rotor. But the JB weld was working. I dont think those magnets have ANY adhesive on them by default BTW, i think they just stick to the metal of that rotor shell. But if you use too much power on the motor or if they get hot , it seems like they can slip around and come loose
@@EBikeBuilder_ I wish I had taken a picture when I pulled my motor apart, there looked to be some kind of volcanized rubber/adhesive being pushed out of the space between the magnets. I'll have to keep an eye out while removing the rotor. This'll be fun project
@@counter929 yeah I have an 8 inch gear puller from Menards and it was a little big and the jaws were a bit thick … be careful when using the gear puller make sure it’s jaws are only touching the rotor, and not anything else, and make sure its aligned straight, I’m not sure how i did it. But i totally jacked a rotor and bent it with the gear puller!! I had to use a grinder to grind down the legs of the 8” gear puller so they cleared the rest of the motor better. And now it works like a dream and no worries of damaging another rotor
@@EBikeBuilder_ thank you for the info gonna be looking at my motor today after work
Bro, it sounds to me like you should come on over to Infinite Plane Society here on utube and check out the content. I've been a member for many years and it's helped me see though all the bs. What's the fastest you've been on a ebike? What's your limit? I'm thinking about making a channel and sharing everything I've done with my ebikes because you inspired me a while back and i learned a few things. Thanks again for all the help and sharing your skills and thoughts.
i'll have to check that out, I've been to many channels like that... and they either get disappeared, or they grow a large subscriber base- and start spreading the gospel about how the sky is green haha. I've gone 50mph on the 75v bbshd with the phaserunner. And 50mph down a hill with the bbs02 before I melted the motor core Lol. When I had 3 motors on the fat bike it could do 45 to 50 too. But I'm using walmart bikes, and I have flat out in my tires. So I'm usually cruisng at or around the 30mph ebike speeds Lol. Only thing about going fast is it uses a lot of battery. and the motor can heat up. If you wanna go fast need more expensive components like brakes suspension, tires to be safe etc. Probably need a big direct drive hub motor. And yeah I dont know if i would want to be going much faster on walmart bike rims with amazon spokes and stuff hahah. Where I live 30 - 50mph is pretty useful. But when you get on the county roads and interstate you need to be going like 75MPH +
Gaslighting is the new Millenium. Did you hear? Biden hasn't cognitively declined and he is fitter than he has ever been and Kamala Harris was never responsible for the border. Dumb Joe's onerous spending policies and pandering to special interests and giving free stuff to people who don't pay taxes didn't bring us inflation. And dumb Joe's absence on the world stage didn't promote two world wars which is bankrupting America as we wallow in 34 Trillion in debt. The new, woke reality anybody with an IQ over 95 knows is a lie. But guess what? For every smart person in America, there is an uneducated dumb one. Statistics are immutable and life is a bell curve and the left side of the bell curve sucks. PS. and also why you build your own high power ebikes and the listless masses purchase low value, low performance ebikes with sh_tty batteries and designed to fail in our disposable society where people are no longer smart enough to fix anything.
What are the differences from this and a BHSS
The Devil roams the Earth 😮
Hey so around Friday afternoon I tried something after torquing everything in in the rear of my bike again, and again after each ride ... It's Sunday afternoon and everything 's remained torqued down properly so this kind of confirmed something for me and I figured I'd share a major oversight on my part and it's really obvious and kind of embarrassing. It made me realize maybe other s are skipping this as well . After disassembling my wheel completely, I chased all the threaded bolt and screw holes with swabs dipped in alcohol. I could not believe the amount of residual black sooty oil from the production process was in these bolt holes! I even cleaned off the bolts and screws in the same manner. Added fresh blue 242, and I even wiped down the threads of the axle bolts with a rag soaked with alcohol. Everything was coming off black including the threads in the nuts. This was a new hub too. so I can only imagine what is going on with an older one . Nothing has budged since. Hopefully it lasts. ☺️👍
Green you say? How many times and just what does it mean?
I don't like thumb throttles ,If the thumb throttle gets stuck you crash , ☠️
If you just ignore them they get very disturbed and go away . Now back to reality, when i activate phase filter on my FlipSky the low speed and start is fantastic but the throttle develops a big dead spot at high speed. Still works but only at the top end . VESC Guru, any ideas ?
I’ve always had phase f on, I’m not sure, but big daddy elon says; Enabling the phase filter in VESC (Vedder Electronic Speed Controller) can introduce a noticeable delay in the response of the motor, which might make it seem like there is a dead spot in your throttle on the high end. Here’s why: 1. **Phase Filter Functionality**: The phase filter smooths out the current to reduce noise and improve efficiency, but it also slows down the responsiveness of the motor to changes in throttle input. This smoothing effect can result in a delay, particularly noticeable at higher throttle levels where the motor requires more current adjustments. 2. **Throttle Response Lag**: At higher throttle levels, the motor demands rapid and precise current changes to maintain performance. The phase filter might not keep up with these rapid changes, causing a lag in throttle response. This lag can be perceived as a dead spot because the motor does not accelerate as quickly as expected when you increase the throttle. 3. **Filtering and Power Delivery**: Filtering can also affect the power delivery curve, making it less linear. As a result, the throttle response may feel less predictable, especially at higher speeds where the phase filter has a more pronounced effect on the motor’s performance. 4. **Motor Feedback**: The phase filter can alter the feedback loop of the motor controller. If the controller is not tuned to account for the added filtering, the system might struggle to maintain a smooth and consistent power delivery, further contributing to the sensation of a dead spot at higher throttle levels. To address this issue, you might need to adjust the phase filter settings or experiment with different VESC configurations to balance the filtering effect with the desired throttle response.
@@EBikeBuilder_ Thank You for the timely reply, I shall then continue on Unfiltered and Unfettered .
you seriously riding that with slippers????????
The sky ain't blue dammit. You tell me then why is grass blue? Huh huh see you can't answer that fact. What the hell is wrong with people today
Liberalism is a self inflicted retardation
Quantum of conscience, a reality few can see
@@crispysocksss I’m just trying not to lose any more soul tokens
Hi-tin steel usually bends instead of cracking. Chromoly usually breaks at the welds.
Ohhhh. Yeah, gusset like the old-school bikes.
Yup that thing needs some reinforcement!!
That's where the old saying of you're entitled to have your own opinion, but you don't get your own set of facts came from "gaslighters" gaslighting. The govt shot at & missed killing The President only by Devine Intervention IMHO 2 weeks ago today.
Yes, they try to change reality for the normies, they dont believe in it but U have to ! be sick of it , please !
“Rules For Thee, BUT Not For Me!” 🙄 🤥 👸 🧛♀️ 🦎
Flat Earther's! Or Aliens or Simulation Characters... 😅 There's some people with personal Agendas and I don't accept their garbage. I live the way I want, not by others' Madness..
@@patrickoneill1011 flat earth is interesting, I’ve given that some thought 💭 but just from the way light behaves during sunrise and sunset, flat earth seems hard to fathom. I’m still left wondering what’s going on in 🇦🇶 and with the solar eclipse. And space. 😂🤣 but yeah I’m not sold on flat earth at all. Seems unlikely . But if i see the edge, I’m not going anywhere near it, either. 🤨🧐😂🤣
Hey could you please repeat the part when you said all that stuff about the thing?
"evolution is real" says the one devolving before us Created men
Oh, you took the red pill. Welcome to the real.
@@davidlorin1379 I’m on some fucked up pill 💊 10 steps past the red and black ones
@@EBikeBuilder_ exactly, check my community post. Even the biggest "Blackpilled" of them never has solutions, just whine about unfixable unnaturalness. My unchangable title is Man. Always stay in true especially with claims
The president of France is one of them...
@@nicod974 🌞 🔎 🦎
??? What was that. Colors. Lizard people. I need the deets😂
Any and every possibility is on the table at this point in the circus 🎪 🤡
@@EBikeBuilder_ not sure where the circus is but , I'll go along with it. Kind of dealing with my own atm. Just got delivered the grin technologies V5 torque arm and it's missing parts from the list in the pamphlet. I got it off Amazon for a grand total of $39.41 after tax 🙄 crazy price. Their website is $22 but they charge over $10 for shipping on what is basically the weight of about 5 U.S quarters thrown in a plastic ziploc bag. I mean, it's not like I have anywhere else to go to get this kind of stuff so, I guess they realize it too and can name their price. I'm kind of worried just saying this will get the wrath of the Fanboys on me too 😂 Don't get me wrong it's nice and I need it, I just feel like that price was gross and even though I got the parts to replace what's missing, I should get what I paid for. And maybe even more
@@BrettWoodBikingthe thing about fulfillment by amazon, its people will buy it, take pieces out of the bag, then return it like a dixk and then the guy at amazon just takes the return and sends it out to some other guy as a new torque arm. So on Amazon just be ruthless with the returns, if its missing stuff - send it back for sure. Grin has no control over what Amazon and consumers do . And funny shit happens. Even with Flipsky controllers. Amazon takes shit back and tries to sell it like new all the time
How much does that beast weigh? I have a Mongoose Argus Steel fat bike, looks fun to do this dual motor project. Hate buying pre-built
A question for you: I don't understand how the pedal assist works. IMO, if I have a 750W E-bike with three levels of PAS (four if you count 0), it should work like this: 0 = same as if the power is turned off. 1 = 250W of power regardless off how fast one pedals or speed the bike is going 2 = 500W of power regardless off how fast one pedals or speed the bike is going 3 = 750W of power regardless off how fast one pedals or speed the bike is going Restricting top speed I understand because of regulations, but speed limits at each level of assist, might as well just use throttle on flat land.
Oh im not using PAS on this BBSHD at all. It has PAS circuitry in the motor, but i dont have it hooked up, its a cadence sensor and its not really great. I just pedal some times like up steep inclines to get a feel for how much stress im putting on the motor and to help out a bit
a lot of ebikes that are "750W" ebikes are referring to the nominal power of the motor, that it can do continuously, and in the case of a 750w ebike. they often do upwards of 1600W "peak". The laws arent clear about whether its battery power output, or motor power output at the wheel, its all a gray area, no one goes by 750w, not even US manufacturers. Forget about all the current laws and legistlations they are very loosely followed. Just dont ride the bike in such a way that puts other people in danger or scares other people and makes them fearful. Now even when you are riding safe it still apparently scares the elderly and dunces So really as you ride a bike around just be prepared to offend everyone.
have you had any issues with those quick release skewers and the bbshd on high power?
i get them as tight as possible, these are still the ones that came on the bike. ANd I have a skewer that came on this other wheel I have on my bbs02 bike, its a shimano QR skewer, that one feels a million times more solid. They work fine But ive had one pop loose on my 02 one time. It could be disastrous. Id use the Shimano ones. They are very solid. and just have to make sure its crazy tight. Maybe there's some way to make it safer? i have seen some chain tensioners that seem to hook onto the derailleur area, but then the quick release skewer goes through it. and kind of secures it on the bike. I think u could potentially just get some kind of metal attached to the frame where the quick release skewer would go through a hole like a through axle Lol. But Yeah., Ive had the wheel almost fall off on my bbs02 bike one time coming down off a curb. It happened without high power. Even on low power the 02 is a lot of torque
Why didn't you BMX style ride over that fallen log & break another frome to weld back togeather? 😂
it was 2 ft off the ground, I could barely lift my bike over it 🤣 But I like that line of thinking Steve!! Would If I could 😂
Do you know how that happens?
I have two of these frames with 5k motors. I think it's the front hub drive adding forward forces
Yeah i think its the front motor, when you give it lots of power it feels like the steer tube cranks on the frame , lol i think that area is just where the metal was stressing and fatigued. Of course i ride the bike rough for 4 years too
@@EBikeBuilder_ oh shoot 4 years! I only have a year on each frame. Gonna keep an eye on it.
50 Celsius temperature when you get up that little hill? Where is that temp from?motor or controller? I have temp probe on outside of stock BBSHD controller, and stop riding at 42 Celsius of outside case temp,so im guessing it's 10 more Celsius inside, it's too hot for stock controller. My gearing is different, 42T front, 50T back, i could get on top of that hill without peddling, with motor temp below 40 Celsius.
thermistor is inside the motor, thermal glued on the stator. I dont need to pedal this bike, But some times i do just to engage the drivetrain Or for balance. Its nice to gear it low on high voltage yes! i have a few chainrings where I could gear this lower, But it starts to take too much power to ride on the streets when I gear it lower
@@EBikeBuilder_ Rotor and stator can take temps above 90 Celsius, that's ok. How are the temps on controller?
wow! Time to weld! Or new frame?
Going to take some steel plates like 1/8” thick, and cut them in such a way where they can be welded on each side of the frame connecting the head tube , down tube, and top tube, lol probably make the steel plate large enough where its going further down the tubing past where the crack is happening. Is kind of how i imagine it. Like the gussets on a bmx or something but probably chunky and more Frankenstein . 😂 maybe i can fit the phaserunner up in the frame and have the welded plates hide it ?? Not sure. My brother will just weld some shit on there and I’ll go with it 😂
At Least Ya Found it Now , and Not after barreling down the Road at 50 MPH , Or after Wheeling Into a Fence LOL
@@briansmythe3000 yeah that creak was so bad i could feel it, but i was kind of being lazy about it and thought it was my derelict front fork . If the down tube broke that whole thing would fall apart 🫠🫣🫨
How about damage caused by vibrations and the bike frame without suspension, I ride in the mountains and the whole bike shakes a lot, does it have a very negative impact on the bike's battery pack, I have it in a Polly 9 case, are there any ways to reduce these battery vibrations? when moving over rocks.
@@orbit5449 ya definitely , its a hard tail, I’ve been riding this bike for 3 Years, in the rain and winter salty roads etc. so this bike has seen it all ! Yeah the battery construction is important if you are riding hard especially. But in general an ebike battery should be assumed to be subject to lots of vibration. And built accordingly. Spot welds and nickel strips alone aren’t Enough
Can I run a 52v 20ah 40amp battery with a 45amp controller? My hub is 48v 1500w.
Yeah if the battery can only do 40 amps - run it at that, 40/45 is 88% of max, so pas 4/5 , pas 8/9, etc. the hub motor itself doesn’t care about the voltage, its the controller that might care about going from 48v to 52v but in some circumstances the 48v controller works fine on 52v . Only thing about a 48v controller on a 52v battery, is you might be able to drain the battery more than a 52v battery should be drained, but assuming the battery has a functioning BMS it should turn off when it hits the 52v low voltage. TLDR is yeah it’ll probably work. Unless something doesn’t like going above 54.6V . Cuz the 52v battery will charge up to 58.8V. I have had a bike with a 48v controller where it wouldn’t let me use a fully charged 52v battery on it, i could only charge up to 56v instead of 58.8v , for example
@@EBikeBuilder_ Thank you.
Weld in some gussets for more strength.
yeah, it's gonna need Somethin Extra, Lol !!