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is there software that can take a lidar scan from a Leica BLK2GO and convert to CAD on the fly?
I don’t think so
Amazing work! in your previous videos, you shown some data table with percentage accuracies. what would you say the M1 IPad with iOS 17 is able to achieve as a percentage?
Thank you 😊 🙏🏻 I would say that the percentage is slightly higher than before for RoomPlan, but still not good enough for professionals to replace manual CAD drafting. Stay tuned for more videos like this for the coming iPad iOS18 and more. Thanks for watching 🙌
Brilliant stuff! Have you tried exporting to sketch up and adding exterior design elements, like a gazebo or pool? Or would you recommend exporting to something entirely different if you wanted to draw over your scan?
Thanks! Yes, we are actually SketchUp specialists :) You can export files in formats that work in sketchup or other similar CAD software such as blender which is free to use.
@@LiDAR3D very interesting. Are the sketch up files pretty faithful to your scans?
Can I use this to sell floor plans ?
You can export floor plans from Polycam. Are you good at selling things?
The 2d plan with dimensions and the lidar point cloud directly available
Do you get the data in room plan or through ploycam ?
Sorry I don’t understand the question
Does roomplan provide the scan info like room dimensions and colorised scan ?
@@arunvaswani Yes
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I use Magicplan and Polycam. I love Polycam, but unfortunately, we can't merge rooms in case of 2 scans, nor can we join 2 floors together. However, Polycam offers more possibilities and produces a nicer rendering. I'm torn... 😅
That can be a great combo! Have you tried using free cad tools like blender3d to merge scans and floors from polycam?
How do I get this app?
www.polycam.ai
Which is the best app to use in AutoCAD software exporting the point cloud in . RCS? Thank you!
Not sure which is best now. I would check out SiteScape and Dot3D for iOS scanning apps for point clouds. In this video all the apps tested are mesh based as opposed to the two mentioned above.
hello! Could you share how to export a PDF from RoomPlan
I do it using the Polycam app
Can you use this app to make floorplans for real estate agencies?
Yes it’s great for that
You scan just once or scan multiple times and the data is joined together.
This one was a single scan.
Point cloud DATA to Sketch up conversion is manual? or automated way? Could you please explain this?
I think you figured it out already but just in case, it’s a semiautomatic service that we offer. Manual drafting is still at the core. Thanks for checking out the videos and our website and good luck with your new venture!
Hello, as an architect. Id suggest function. That you upload simple .dwg floor plan in scale 1-1 in metric or imperial preset. For me metric for example. And than do scann, which would be having exact dwg as a bacground. During scanning, it would be automatically catching surfaces according to dwg. Or even some 3d obcets. Like I meassuer by laser distance between some beams at attic or let say some known objects, this I upload as a base. And than Polycam would use it as a reference and keep gooing with rest.
Maybe. Having a good quality dwg would almost defeat the purpose of scanning but if you have it - why not. Looks like the quality of the scans get better with iPhone 15 pro max and the vision pro will probably be even more accurate and visually better. I can see how it would be good you as an architect to scan post project completion. Very interesting to see if there are any differences between the model/drawings and the final build, and also just to have it for documentation and potential as a starting point for a digital twin.
Use a gimbal. It improves accuracy significantly.
I would say marginally. But it depends on how steady your hands are :)
You should try doing that with a gimbal next time.
You’re right that gimbals can yield better result. There’s also typically a difference between iPads and iPhone scans since the iPad is held with two hands and thus more steadily
Excellent video. I'm a massive fan of new tech and following LIDAR tech closely. However, you've shown here that this is still not fit for purpose. Still faster probably with a pen and sketch pad / laser.
Thank you. I think if it's fit or not depends on what you are going to use it for. It's definitely not mature enough for some use cases yet. However, in a renovation project, a combination of manual measurements and what I call the "raw lidar" scans can be a starting point that is hard to beat (without a very large budget). It all depends on the specific task or project requirements and what stage it's in. I appreciate the feedback, thanks!
Do you know if you can export window and door areas automatically to a format like excel?
Not with any of the apps I'm aware of. RoomPlan recognizes and captures the data in question so it's relatively easy to develop an automatic report from that. I'm pretty sure we will see it soon but considering the doors/windows issues in the video test, the report would not be very reliable at this point.
Hi. 2 questions: 1.- For your BIM services, do you use point cloud and what format do we send it? 2.- What mode (lidar, room scan etc.) do you recomend for yourCAD/ BIM service?
Hi. Yes, we can work with point clouds but we prefer 3D meshes. Check out our video about meshes and point clouds if you haven’t already. Scanning in LiDAR mode and exporting a gltf file is our recommendation for most cases. Please feel free to send us and email at [email protected] if you have any other questions or requests. Thanks for watching!
This is incredible, i’m an architect and often I need to model outsides of houses in revit and having a 15 pro iphone now I will able to do it much more easily! Love it, thank you
Glad you liked it! Send us an email if you ever get too busy and need help with drafting up interiors or exteriors. We'd be happy to support :) Happy scanning
Great video and great comparison. I just wanted to know what tool did you use when you were comparing the measured spaces ( objects) side by side. Thanks again
Thank you! I’m using SketchUp for the comparison in this video
Awesome video! Thanks for making it!
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
Another excellent video, thank you. Apart from the measurement inaccuracies, my problem with this and other apps is that the walls are assumed to be 100mm, thicker walls, chimney breasts etc. confuse the plan layouts and produce anomalies. Perhaps if the walls could be set to zero thickness to show the room inner faces only, then this would enable more accurate multi-room layouts?
Thanks for the encouragement and for contributing by raising a very good point. On multi-room floors with walls that are not all 10cm thick, this issue will bleed over and cause even larger measurement inaccuracies overall. It's a hard problem and I don't see how it can be properly solved without some kind of manual input. Maybe starting from close to 0 as you say and then letting the operator add the data or drag to adjust the rooms and layout so that the exterior shape and size don't turn out incorrect. It would not be ideal but perhaps better than the current 10cm preset. The "actual size" model in the video was made using the LiDAR mode and some manual control measurements for verification. I think it's the best way to go for now to ensure that wall thickness is as close to the actual as possible. 🔌 ....and if you also need an optimized CAD 2D/3D our team is ready to assist by producing it manually 😊
Very good point we use another software for insurance claims every day and it defaults the thickness of the wall to 4 inches thick. However, the user can manually tap on the wall and change the thickness post processing. It seems to work very well.
@@mitchellbyrom853 Hi! Can you point me to the software you are using? We are looking into finding a software for this for insurance claims.
You do nice work. Can I ask if have some news about lidar in iPhone 15 pro max? Is made by Sony now ? Yesterday new Polycam version for fix early problem with new iPhone 15 pro / max ..I think will be much interesting make comparison iPhone 14 pro and new flagship apple iPhone 15 pro and pro max..maybe lidar still the same but different camera and new processor maybe can help and give some improvements?
Thank you! Very interested and looking forward to see the performance from iPhone 15 Pro. I can only speculate at this point but would be surprised if it's not the same or better.
I am also very interested in understanding if the lidar of the 15 pro is somehow higher or lower than the 14 pro because online there are opposing opinions about it💁
for the laser measurement: On my Nikon hand laser, its possible to activate a small camera that shows the spot where the red dot should be for use in broad daylight, dont know if possible on bosch laser
Yes, there are definitely more advanced and capable measuring tools for outdoor use!
Which would you recommend for capturing outdoor spaces (landscaping, decks, patios, etc)
It depends on your requirements. Capturing point clouds with gcp like apriltags will give a more accurate and complete result but it’s more complicated than capturing meshes. We have a comparison video in the channel for more details. Check out the apps Dot3D for point clouds and Polycam for meshes.
What App is this Polycam or other.
The first example in this video was scanned with Polycam but we can also work with output from other scanning apps.
How did you sharpen up the scan like that at the end of the video
The scan was manually redrawn using SketchUp.
Not ready yet.
Looks like the next upgraded version for iOS 17 will be better though
Yes , I’m looking forward to. Thank you for this excellent review.
@@rogeliosoto4074 Thanks for watching and for the feedback!
How can you install RoomPlan?
You'll need to download and install the Polycam app (or another reality capturing app that has this feature) and use the "room mode" setting when scanning. Hope this helps!
Would you ever consider porting this feature to Android? It seems the ARCore depth API gives similar data as the iPhone LIDAR sensor.
Yes, we actually support 2D and 3D production based on any kind of input, ranging from traditional architectural drawings to iOS LiDAR and all the way up to advanced 3D scanning hardware. This channel focuses on spreading the word about iOS LiDAR since we think it's a true game-changer for many people who work with properties and the most accessible and reliable method of capturing interior spaces.
I think this would be awesome for my job. I spend a lot of time in attics to get measurements does the lighting affect the scan or how well does it do in low light situations
Cool! Unfortunately it doesn’t work great in low light conditions. However, some apps have the native iPad/iPhone flashlight option. You can also try attaching an external light source potentially. The Vision Pro looks like it will have better seeing in the dark capability but also a significantly higher price tag, especially compared with iPads from 2020 with first generation LiDAR.
tested other app's?
Hi! Yes, we have tested several. Including development of apps built on similar technology. There are multiple apps that uses the RoomPlan API from Apple and they are all more or less the same accuracy. Since releasing this video Apple have announced improvements to the AR kit and RoomPlan API in connection with launching the Vision Pro hardware in the coming 6 months or so. Have you tried any scanning apps that you think is better? Thanks for watching
Wich program did you used?
Polycam
what is different between polycam room mode vs lidar mode?
LiDAR mode captures a raw mesh (examples can be seen in this and other video on the channel). Room mode does an automatic convertion of the raw mesh into a parametric model which then can be used for some specific applications where raw meshes are less suitable. So basically you can say that Room mode (Apples RoomPlan) performs a task automatically which previously required manual CAD drafting skills.
I think WWDC this year will bring some amazing Machine Learning API to capture. If they gonna have VR in some point the Devs should have ways to capture the world more precise. I can’t wait.
Same here :)
Can you do Dot3D with April Tags? Thank you. Great content
Thank you! I haven't forgotten this request, I've just been too busy lately. It's on my to-do list along with a few other videos I hope to finish up soon! :)
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@@LiDAR3D o saw the video. Seams very precise. I just curious about your take on how precise and useful Dot3D is with April Tags I know life happens. No worries. Thank you for taking your time to reply. Funny what technology brought tu us. I live in Maceió - AL, Brazil (I know you didn’t ask, just saying you can impact someone you can’t even imagine). Nobody here is talking about this niche topic. You are probably on other hemisphere and here we are. Talking about lidar scanning. Thank you for the content very useful.
Great content, thank you
Thank you
Hi, your video is very good. Is it possible to use Lidar sensor and convert the file to dwg? To use in autocad 3D Thanks
Hi! Thank you for your kind message! There is no automatic conversion to dwg within the app. It can export 2D image files and 3D meshes in obj, dae, fbx and other formats. Our team that specializes in converting scans and other data into professional grade drawings like DWG, Revit, SketchUp and other. Please don't hesitate to reach out to us by email for more details. Pricing and customization options can be found on our website www.lidar3d.io Thanks for watching :)
Hi, your video is very good. Is it possible to use Lidar sensor and convert the file to dwg? To use in autocad 3D Thanks
Hi! Thank you for your kind message! There is no automatic conversion to dwg within the app. It can export 2D image files and 3D meshes in obj, dae, fbx and other formats. Our team that specializes in converting scans and other data into professional grade drawings like DWG, Revit, SketchUp and other. Please don't hesitate to reach out to us by email for more details. Pricing and customization options can be found on our website www.lidar3d.io Thanks for watching :)
scaniverse dont need lidar and you can walk around without lidar
Yes there are some apps with which you can capture in a similar way, but without the iOS LiDAR hardware. Those apps are usually built with photogrammetry technology which is slightly less accurate and with longer processing time (we have another video about this that describes 4 ways to digitize buildings in more detail) The latest apps are using NeRF technology which looks like it could replace photogrammetry since it’s easier and generates better models. Thanks for watching and commenting
Sir, i own Ipad pro M2. Does it have this Lidar Tech in it?
Yes :)
@LIDAR3D thanks sir. I would try it 😊
Can someone help me out with quantifying the accuracy of Dot3D? With the source if possible.
Did you try reaching out to them to ask for the metrics you're looking for? Please let us know if you find anything good. Thanks :)
why is it only available on iphones? can androids support this too?
It's a special hardware (LiDAR) that is available only in iOS Pro devices since 2020.
Can I ask why you want to avoid scanning the same area more than once? Won't that give you better results? Same question for getting up close, doesn't that give you more accuracy if you were to say move the camera around a lamp or chair to make sure it captured all sides, even if it was near a wall?
Yes, It's good to move around and capture furniture that you want to include from all sides. Otherwise you will get the kind of occlusions you can see behind the sofa in this example. Scanning the same area twice can result is less accurate measurements and getting too close can cause drift issues which also leads to inaccurate captures.
@@LiDAR3D I see! Thanks for the info! I'm less worried about pinpoint measurement accuracy as I am using my scans for game development. I can deal with a little bit of drift if I can at least capture the scene from all angles. Thank you!
Thanks for watching and commenting and good luck with the development!
Hi, thanks for the video. In terms of spending for an iPad pro or iPhone Pro, memory capacity is an issue. Asking about this project. How much MB was the point cloud file?
Thanks for watching! I exported a mesh Obj file which was around 50 MB for this project.
A point cloud capture is possible with other apps. The file size of iOS point clouds would be larger. Our latest video compare meshes and point clouds and includes info about the file sizes at the end of the video.
🤕🥴😰😰 not yet for architects, no real accuracy
Agreed. What is your tolerance for accuracy? Semi automatic and fully automatic scan to cad solutions have been on this level (95%) for almost a decade so I was expecting more from the LiDAR enabled RoomPlan. Would the raw LiDAR results be good enough for you if they were carried over to the CAD file? We released a new video yesterday about how you can improve the accuracy of iOS LiDAR scans. Would be interesting to get your take on it. Thanks for watching!
You correctly noticed that Dot3D stands out from all programs by the ability to optimize the resulting scanning point cloud and the ability to use AprilTag. It really increases accuracy. Drifting in clouds of points obtained with Dot3D is much less common than in other programs, thanks to the optimization algorithm. We scanned the long and complex facade using Dot3D, set tags on the facade planes of the building, removed their coordinates with a total station and entered them into the program, the results impressed us. The other two programs you mentioned in the video coped with the task much worse. When scanning extended objects, using these programs, the accuracy drops significantly, and there is always a significant drift when closing. Hence, for significant projects, the scanning program should be able to optimize point clouds and recognize AprilTag, which are used as reference markers to set coordinates or linear dimensions.
Yes, it's clear to see that Dot3D currently is the leader of the pack when it comes to accuracy. I'm planning on doing a future test video with the AprilTags and might also include exteriors. Thank you for your input and for watching!
@@LiDAR3D please make a video using Apriltags
@@TheJoaolyraaraujo Will do! Stay tuned 😊
Can someone help me out with quantifying the accuracy of Dot3D? With the source if possible.
wher can i find the blender app? thankyou
www.blender.org/
Could you tell the size of the project? Cheers!
Hi! You mean the file size right? Would you like to know the size of the raw data capture or the size of the exported dataset in a specific format?
@@LiDAR3D Exported dataset on .obj 😅
@@BahadrCAKARhosgeldin Around 50 MB
@@LiDAR3D Thanks mate happy new year for now
@@BahadrCAKARhosgeldin Same to you!