I’m very disappointed we traded away grimes. Huge fan of his game. This is what we do in Detroit man, it won’t surprise me. We traded away the likes of Bruce Brown cheap. It won’t surprise me.
@ronaldmcdonald197710 сағат бұрын
LOL. I said for years, we in love with every player.
@ronaldmcdonald197710 сағат бұрын
Langdon will be great. Reminds me of Jimmy Butler. Put him at SG. he does what Ivey does and can play defense.
@chilidaemon711311 сағат бұрын
Preach on about Grimes
@ritesoundproductions719315 сағат бұрын
If Grimes didn't want to be here well he can kick rocks.
@steveyj300215 сағат бұрын
I’m still being open minded about It but , Tobias is not worth the money or even close to it and I would rather grab a couple of consistent role players than bet on an older overpriced and inconsistent player
@Truthtella18 сағат бұрын
Also second picks aren't assets.
@PalacePistons17 сағат бұрын
That’s just not true whatsoever.
@ronaldmcdonald197710 сағат бұрын
SO how did it just help the Mavs get Grimes? Make it make sense bro.
@ronaldmcdonald197710 сағат бұрын
Mavs receive: P.J. Washington 2024-second-round pick 2028 second-round pick Hornets receive: Grant Williams Seth Curry 2027 first-round pick
Thunder receive: Gordon Hayward Hornets receive: Vasilije Micic Tre Mann Davis Bertans 2024 second-round pick (via Rockets) 2025 second-round pick (via 76ers)
@Truthtella18 сағат бұрын
So may I ask what is the difference between this current trade for Hardaway and the trade Weaver made for Harris last year? Seems eerily similar. So far even the draft moves look the same. Not that I'm down on Holland. Thought it was a great pick. Weaver drafted another very similar wing in Ausar. So far this looks exactly like last year. So hopefully there's more moves to come. Nobody is asking for instant playoff team. What people want to see is tangible improvement from the roster and the product on the floor that people are are paying to support. Do fans get a "patience" discount for their support the last 4 years? Langdon knew the situation coming in. So he better get thick skin. It's time to move this thing forward.
@ethankinnunen483915 сағат бұрын
THJ is a much better player, so he'll actually be playing some valuable minutes. So there's that, but refresh my memory, did we get 3 second rounders in the JH trade? As far as your last comment. Trajan is an idiot if he makes moves strictly because it's been too long since the Pistons have been competitive, so now it's time because the fans are impatient. Doing that will just create a team that sits at the bottom of the playoffs, but is never a contender.
@Truthtella15 сағат бұрын
For Harris alone 2 seconds. So 4 years is not enough patience. So how many more years must people support a team that won't do right by them?
@ethankinnunen483914 сағат бұрын
@@Truthtella Doing right by the fans is putting together a mediocre team? Because that's all you're going to get if you rush this! I get that this team is bad and isn't where we wanted it to be, but for all the bad Weaver did, at least he left us in a place that we can actually go up. Trajan has the luxury of not needing to break it all down like Weaver did. My opinion so far is that Trajan will do a better job, how long it takes will depend on the development of some young guys. With luck, that'll only be a couple of years.
@Truthtella14 сағат бұрын
@@ethankinnunen4839 OK sir your opinion.
@davidwright172818 сағат бұрын
Langdon is a definite upgrade over Weaver....
@Truthtella17 сағат бұрын
Maybe we will have to wait and see.
@ethankinnunen483913 сағат бұрын
@@davidwright1728 It seems that way so far, but only time will tell.
@jarmanedavis244618 сағат бұрын
Aight can we stop saying this team was the worst team like the players aren't good..monty could of coached better we could of had 10 more win n something to build on for this year injured players all year cade coming back it was a lot weaver not helping getting better vets..talk about that these players aren't bad..one of the ESPN host had us winning 35 games n up last season..so he thought we was at least good enough to winn that many games..when u can't win n have the record n losing with 28 straight games that's coaching
@Truthtella17 сағат бұрын
Facts everybody really underplays how these players were set up for failure with Monty. Especially Ivey. The 14 wins was a coaching issue not the talent of the players. I watch Casey purposely tank games with a lesser team than the one last year. Monty cost Detroit about 7-10 games this year. So I totally agree.
@davidwright172818 сағат бұрын
Langdon will get a year . The fans are sick and tired of losing with the money he has he must go after a decent free agent screw this take on bad contracts for assets. His first draft ok because there wasn't much there...no coach yet come on man get It done...
@Shaw_Cardboard_Treasures18 сағат бұрын
That money Langdon is paying Hardaway he could have used to pay Fonteccio.
@PalacePistons17 сағат бұрын
They still have $51 million in cap space. Plenty to pay Fontecchio and multiple other players.
@Shaw_Cardboard_Treasures18 сағат бұрын
The trade sucks. If this was Weaver, you would have roasted him. Hardaway is older, plays no defense, makes 12 million more than Grimes and 3 2nd rd is not a good trade. I would have rather have Langdon use that extra 12 million on a free agent even if he had used it to overpay. Call a spade a spade. As for drafting Ron Holland, I have no problem. None of the other choices were distinctively better. Plus he is probably the best player available.
@MedRab19 сағат бұрын
What's the story with Aaron Mintz or whatever his name is?
@stevenhudson759119 сағат бұрын
I think we need to take it easy with the Langon defense. No one is saying we don't want him here or that he should be fired. We just didn't love his first few moves. We're entitled to our opinions as fans. At the end of the day all that matters is winning so if they improve no one will care. As a former "trust in troy" guy this podcast helped me break out of that years ago. How about we just judge each move individually and and we'll start making judgements on the overall job he's doing until after at least 1 season.
@buxton88620 сағат бұрын
He didn't draft Cade Cunningham but I don't see him trading him no time soon
@CombatLegsVIDS21 сағат бұрын
All these Grimes superfans are casuals who didnt watch him take dumb shots and stay injured his time here
@justified1free2Күн бұрын
I don't like their losing Quentin Grimes for a 32 year player despite the draft picks they got
@jnsaudio81Күн бұрын
4 minutes in and didn't say a thing
@RicDonJonКүн бұрын
You know what, if Trajan feels Ron is his guy, I can respect the go get your guy mentality, one I’ve used myself many times with my experience as a fantasy team gm
@strokin3sКүн бұрын
Definitely liked the younger Grimes more than Hardaway Jr especially from a future standpoint!
@robertritzenthaler3775Күн бұрын
It’s not about Grimes being “cool.” He was legitimately a good starting shooting guard only a year and a half ago and he was injured this year.
@ZachErickson-0222Күн бұрын
I'm not attached, but we only had 2 wings who could shoot and play defense. Grimes was one of them. The problem I have is Dallas was desperate to get rid of THJ, there was no reason to send any assets back to Dallas for this salary dump. Would have rather kept Grimes and only took back two 2RP with THJ. Maybe there is more to his knee injury that could be an issue or maybe he really didn't want to be here. I have no knowledge of those things that Trajan would, so I will defer, but this is not a slam dunk of a trade.
@PeterHorton-EducatorКүн бұрын
Gambling and sports do not go together. I will never watch this channel again!
@RicDonJonКүн бұрын
It’s an ad relax bro
@douglasmargitza1210Күн бұрын
imo i believe spurs may of took him at 8, just my opinion, they traded dillingham for a 2029 or 2031 cant remember 1st rd pk .so i believe he was on spurs radar w tijan salun..they both went off early n spurs will wait at least 5 yrs..THJ n cade our friend connection
@maxjulianthegreat313Күн бұрын
Grimes is a good player that can't stay healthy...so I'm alright with the trade
@elblouses128Күн бұрын
Grimes has been a more efficient scorer and much better defender in his young career than THJ. THJ has been a below average scorer (true shooting) for the last 3 years in Dallas and doesn’t provide much else.
@chilidaemon7113Күн бұрын
Cha would have taken Holland instead of TJ
@elblouses128Күн бұрын
Yeah, I saw a lot of mocks with him there and some CHO media guys high on Holland for them
@stevenhudson7591Күн бұрын
Grimes could've been a future piece, Hardaway couldn't and who cares about 2nd round picks when you can simply buy them and we have the most cap in the league?
@PalacePistonsКүн бұрын
2nd round picks are not purchased with cap space. Organizations have to use actual money, outside of the salary cap, when sending cash in trades.
@stevenhudson7591Күн бұрын
@@PalacePistons fair enough (thanks for the clarification) but when Gores has shown the willingness to eat Monty's enormous contract is it hard to believe he would buy a few 2nd rd picks?
@c.christopher6115Күн бұрын
@@PalacePistons we could have bought an entire second round with Monty's contract 😂
@deontecallaway4026Күн бұрын
@@stevenhudson7591People only buy them during the draft for that particular draft. These are future picks that can be used in trades.
@hairlokk8672Күн бұрын
Well, technically pistons bought the 2nds with capspace
@Jamar-lg9obКүн бұрын
Wish it was Flynn instead of Grimes
@revmichael4Күн бұрын
didnt trade back because charlotte drafted tijane salaun - high likelihood would've drafted holland instead.
@PalacePistonsКүн бұрын
Where did you see that?
@revmichael4Күн бұрын
@@PalacePistons just my thoughts.
@v4n1tyyКүн бұрын
I'm not quite sure abut that as miller is pretty similar, but it would've certainly been possible
@mrfortwashКүн бұрын
@@PalacePistonswhere did you see there were offers and opportunities for them to trade back ??
@nicksimony3436 күн бұрын
I could have told you Monty was checked out, Mike. Bit silly we needed a source to tell us that. Nonetheless, good pod- hopefully this is the start of a turn around.
@Truthtella7 күн бұрын
Who ever cared about getting Reddick. A guy with zero coaching experience at any level. Please give me an example of a successful coach with zero experience in working for an organization. The candidates available are great options.
@ghettogov61617 күн бұрын
Buzelis is a late lottery pick not top 5. He doesn't do anything particularly well
@jariz1437 күн бұрын
Cody Williams Cody Williams Cody Williams
@Jamar-lg9ob8 күн бұрын
Sam Cassell as hc resign fronttechio and grimes trade wiseman Flynn on sign and trade for Wiggins and moody gsw need the cap and a center wiseman know system and Flynn fit system
@thewordkeeper8 күн бұрын
All we've talked about for years is we need a 3&D wing, someone who can space the floor and knock down 3s. Matas Buzelis only only made *_27% of his 3s._* Shouldn't that be a red flag? However, he did shoot 41% in high school right? Plus now Trajan has hired a great shooting coach, before hiring a head coach. Hmm. Ok. In the last 3 weeks or so seems like someone, (The Pistons?), has been floating the Buzelis test balloon out there. Now it "Seems" almost *_All_* draft boards have us taking him. Man. 'Feels' like Tellem's tentacles reaches even into the mocks. Matas may not be able to shoot 3s but he has good size and can do everything else right? Ok. I get it. But gee. That kinda' sounds like Ausar Thompson. But he only shot 18% from 3. Matas has him beat by about 10%. Great! So they're gonna risk, possibly, waiting an entire season to see if this guy can shoot 3s or at least regain his 3 pt form. But...if available, we may pass on guys shooting 38% and above on 3s for a player shooting 27%. Unbelievable. Peace 2 U
@Jamar-lg9ob8 күн бұрын
Ron Holland the guy
@shannonk.65288 күн бұрын
One never knows; Monty could have done this on purpose to get fired....that's a lot of bag to get when you are not employed. Shout out to Tom Gores for doing the right thing.
@CombatLegsVIDS9 күн бұрын
pop hold it down
@PalacePistons8 күн бұрын
You know it!
@GFMSancho4369 күн бұрын
Pistons Should Draft Zach Edey
@btsdancestudio56919 күн бұрын
Dumars is a loser Tommy G is a billionaire...Joe drafted Darko and killed the Pistons brand for 20+ years...are u insane. He won't; be brought back!
@MehdiZenati-uj6in10 күн бұрын
Voilà pourquoi Risacher n'ira pas a Détroit avec une mentalité pareil, c'est pas étonnant que les Pistons que les Pistons remonteront la pente.
@Elden__lord11 күн бұрын
Am I the only one who thinks Aussar can be our starting power forward?
@scottwickett12739 күн бұрын
Yes.
@greenecarlos9313 күн бұрын
😂😂😂😂 Jeremy grant on a long contract why would we do that? That’s such a shit idea
@Jamar-lg9ob9 күн бұрын
Why?
@garoug.o.a.t475313 күн бұрын
Get me BI!
@scottwickett12739 күн бұрын
No, horrible idea.
@Will313J13 күн бұрын
I'm going to say yes Jimmy Butler would be the best player on a championship team. If it wasn't for injuries they beat the Lakers that bubble year.
@Jamar-lg9ob9 күн бұрын
What would you trade
@Will313J9 күн бұрын
@@Jamar-lg9ob trade for what? Jimmy?
@Jamar-lg9ob9 күн бұрын
@@Will313J yeah
@Will313J9 күн бұрын
@@Jamar-lg9ob Everyone but Cade. I do feel like he's on the decline now but two years ago I would have traded the entire team 😂 I like Thompson and Sasser a lot but these players more than likely will never get to that level that Jimmy has seen. I really hope I'm wrong.
@Jamar-lg9ob8 күн бұрын
@@Will313J cade was a big part of the losing team numbers and winning percentage better without him he the one slow down the pace of the young guys
@kda102414 күн бұрын
In a word...YES.
@pheralanpathfinder489714 күн бұрын
Please stop talking about trolls who say Cade doesn't deserve the mini max. I've talked to almost 100 random Pistons fans and not one hesitates at the notion of giving Cade the mini max.
@pheralanpathfinder489714 күн бұрын
I like Jeremy Grant as the two way veteran leader. I have no idea what the Blazers would want. It would be hilarious if we traded Duren for Grant. We would basically be undoing the trade Wesver didn't want to make.
@Jamar-lg9ob9 күн бұрын
Rather have duren
@florida128914 күн бұрын
Cade is 22 23/8/4 (45/36/87) Cade is going to be a superstar End of story! Your trade value is ridiculous...2 mid 1st???? Where do they get these guys?
@philosoqhy14 күн бұрын
Cade 23&8 contributed to 9wins total this season which the polarity effect of that was a historic losing streak via 28 consecutive. Obviously you extend Cade but imo it would be for insurance policy only.
@gameknotz360214 күн бұрын
For me it depends on the direction they want to go next season. I genuinely don't believe we can make the play in next season, even with the guys we are "projected" to have interest in because that's all just speculations. I would much rather prefer we chase what the Pacers, Magic and Utah Jazz did last year and just compete instead of chase the play in. If he doesn't mind not being competitive for another year then yeah sign him to the max, but if not then trade him. I'd rather us chase for better assets and younger guys who fit around Cade than what if's like Brandin Ingram, Malik Monk, and Nic Claxton who don't even move the needle for their current teams.
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I’m very disappointed we traded away grimes. Huge fan of his game. This is what we do in Detroit man, it won’t surprise me. We traded away the likes of Bruce Brown cheap. It won’t surprise me.
LOL. I said for years, we in love with every player.
Langdon will be great. Reminds me of Jimmy Butler. Put him at SG. he does what Ivey does and can play defense.
Preach on about Grimes
If Grimes didn't want to be here well he can kick rocks.
I’m still being open minded about It but , Tobias is not worth the money or even close to it and I would rather grab a couple of consistent role players than bet on an older overpriced and inconsistent player
Also second picks aren't assets.
That’s just not true whatsoever.
SO how did it just help the Mavs get Grimes? Make it make sense bro.
Mavs receive: P.J. Washington 2024-second-round pick 2028 second-round pick Hornets receive: Grant Williams Seth Curry 2027 first-round pick
Sixers get: Buddy Hield (via Pacers) Pacers get: Furkan Korkmaz (via 76ers) Doug McDermott (via Spurs) 2024 second-round pick (via Raptors) 2029 second-round pick (via Blazers) Cash considerations (via 76ers) Spurs get: Marcus Morris 2029 second-round pick (via LA Clippers)
Thunder receive: Gordon Hayward Hornets receive: Vasilije Micic Tre Mann Davis Bertans 2024 second-round pick (via Rockets) 2025 second-round pick (via 76ers)
So may I ask what is the difference between this current trade for Hardaway and the trade Weaver made for Harris last year? Seems eerily similar. So far even the draft moves look the same. Not that I'm down on Holland. Thought it was a great pick. Weaver drafted another very similar wing in Ausar. So far this looks exactly like last year. So hopefully there's more moves to come. Nobody is asking for instant playoff team. What people want to see is tangible improvement from the roster and the product on the floor that people are are paying to support. Do fans get a "patience" discount for their support the last 4 years? Langdon knew the situation coming in. So he better get thick skin. It's time to move this thing forward.
THJ is a much better player, so he'll actually be playing some valuable minutes. So there's that, but refresh my memory, did we get 3 second rounders in the JH trade? As far as your last comment. Trajan is an idiot if he makes moves strictly because it's been too long since the Pistons have been competitive, so now it's time because the fans are impatient. Doing that will just create a team that sits at the bottom of the playoffs, but is never a contender.
For Harris alone 2 seconds. So 4 years is not enough patience. So how many more years must people support a team that won't do right by them?
@@Truthtella Doing right by the fans is putting together a mediocre team? Because that's all you're going to get if you rush this! I get that this team is bad and isn't where we wanted it to be, but for all the bad Weaver did, at least he left us in a place that we can actually go up. Trajan has the luxury of not needing to break it all down like Weaver did. My opinion so far is that Trajan will do a better job, how long it takes will depend on the development of some young guys. With luck, that'll only be a couple of years.
@@ethankinnunen4839 OK sir your opinion.
Langdon is a definite upgrade over Weaver....
Maybe we will have to wait and see.
@@davidwright1728 It seems that way so far, but only time will tell.
Aight can we stop saying this team was the worst team like the players aren't good..monty could of coached better we could of had 10 more win n something to build on for this year injured players all year cade coming back it was a lot weaver not helping getting better vets..talk about that these players aren't bad..one of the ESPN host had us winning 35 games n up last season..so he thought we was at least good enough to winn that many games..when u can't win n have the record n losing with 28 straight games that's coaching
Facts everybody really underplays how these players were set up for failure with Monty. Especially Ivey. The 14 wins was a coaching issue not the talent of the players. I watch Casey purposely tank games with a lesser team than the one last year. Monty cost Detroit about 7-10 games this year. So I totally agree.
Langdon will get a year . The fans are sick and tired of losing with the money he has he must go after a decent free agent screw this take on bad contracts for assets. His first draft ok because there wasn't much there...no coach yet come on man get It done...
That money Langdon is paying Hardaway he could have used to pay Fonteccio.
They still have $51 million in cap space. Plenty to pay Fontecchio and multiple other players.
The trade sucks. If this was Weaver, you would have roasted him. Hardaway is older, plays no defense, makes 12 million more than Grimes and 3 2nd rd is not a good trade. I would have rather have Langdon use that extra 12 million on a free agent even if he had used it to overpay. Call a spade a spade. As for drafting Ron Holland, I have no problem. None of the other choices were distinctively better. Plus he is probably the best player available.
What's the story with Aaron Mintz or whatever his name is?
I think we need to take it easy with the Langon defense. No one is saying we don't want him here or that he should be fired. We just didn't love his first few moves. We're entitled to our opinions as fans. At the end of the day all that matters is winning so if they improve no one will care. As a former "trust in troy" guy this podcast helped me break out of that years ago. How about we just judge each move individually and and we'll start making judgements on the overall job he's doing until after at least 1 season.
He didn't draft Cade Cunningham but I don't see him trading him no time soon
All these Grimes superfans are casuals who didnt watch him take dumb shots and stay injured his time here
I don't like their losing Quentin Grimes for a 32 year player despite the draft picks they got
4 minutes in and didn't say a thing
You know what, if Trajan feels Ron is his guy, I can respect the go get your guy mentality, one I’ve used myself many times with my experience as a fantasy team gm
Definitely liked the younger Grimes more than Hardaway Jr especially from a future standpoint!
It’s not about Grimes being “cool.” He was legitimately a good starting shooting guard only a year and a half ago and he was injured this year.
I'm not attached, but we only had 2 wings who could shoot and play defense. Grimes was one of them. The problem I have is Dallas was desperate to get rid of THJ, there was no reason to send any assets back to Dallas for this salary dump. Would have rather kept Grimes and only took back two 2RP with THJ. Maybe there is more to his knee injury that could be an issue or maybe he really didn't want to be here. I have no knowledge of those things that Trajan would, so I will defer, but this is not a slam dunk of a trade.
Gambling and sports do not go together. I will never watch this channel again!
It’s an ad relax bro
imo i believe spurs may of took him at 8, just my opinion, they traded dillingham for a 2029 or 2031 cant remember 1st rd pk .so i believe he was on spurs radar w tijan salun..they both went off early n spurs will wait at least 5 yrs..THJ n cade our friend connection
Grimes is a good player that can't stay healthy...so I'm alright with the trade
Grimes has been a more efficient scorer and much better defender in his young career than THJ. THJ has been a below average scorer (true shooting) for the last 3 years in Dallas and doesn’t provide much else.
Cha would have taken Holland instead of TJ
Yeah, I saw a lot of mocks with him there and some CHO media guys high on Holland for them
Grimes could've been a future piece, Hardaway couldn't and who cares about 2nd round picks when you can simply buy them and we have the most cap in the league?
2nd round picks are not purchased with cap space. Organizations have to use actual money, outside of the salary cap, when sending cash in trades.
@@PalacePistons fair enough (thanks for the clarification) but when Gores has shown the willingness to eat Monty's enormous contract is it hard to believe he would buy a few 2nd rd picks?
@@PalacePistons we could have bought an entire second round with Monty's contract 😂
@@stevenhudson7591People only buy them during the draft for that particular draft. These are future picks that can be used in trades.
Well, technically pistons bought the 2nds with capspace
Wish it was Flynn instead of Grimes
didnt trade back because charlotte drafted tijane salaun - high likelihood would've drafted holland instead.
Where did you see that?
@@PalacePistons just my thoughts.
I'm not quite sure abut that as miller is pretty similar, but it would've certainly been possible
@@PalacePistonswhere did you see there were offers and opportunities for them to trade back ??
I could have told you Monty was checked out, Mike. Bit silly we needed a source to tell us that. Nonetheless, good pod- hopefully this is the start of a turn around.
Who ever cared about getting Reddick. A guy with zero coaching experience at any level. Please give me an example of a successful coach with zero experience in working for an organization. The candidates available are great options.
Buzelis is a late lottery pick not top 5. He doesn't do anything particularly well
Cody Williams Cody Williams Cody Williams
Sam Cassell as hc resign fronttechio and grimes trade wiseman Flynn on sign and trade for Wiggins and moody gsw need the cap and a center wiseman know system and Flynn fit system
All we've talked about for years is we need a 3&D wing, someone who can space the floor and knock down 3s. Matas Buzelis only only made *_27% of his 3s._* Shouldn't that be a red flag? However, he did shoot 41% in high school right? Plus now Trajan has hired a great shooting coach, before hiring a head coach. Hmm. Ok. In the last 3 weeks or so seems like someone, (The Pistons?), has been floating the Buzelis test balloon out there. Now it "Seems" almost *_All_* draft boards have us taking him. Man. 'Feels' like Tellem's tentacles reaches even into the mocks. Matas may not be able to shoot 3s but he has good size and can do everything else right? Ok. I get it. But gee. That kinda' sounds like Ausar Thompson. But he only shot 18% from 3. Matas has him beat by about 10%. Great! So they're gonna risk, possibly, waiting an entire season to see if this guy can shoot 3s or at least regain his 3 pt form. But...if available, we may pass on guys shooting 38% and above on 3s for a player shooting 27%. Unbelievable. Peace 2 U
Ron Holland the guy
One never knows; Monty could have done this on purpose to get fired....that's a lot of bag to get when you are not employed. Shout out to Tom Gores for doing the right thing.
pop hold it down
You know it!
Pistons Should Draft Zach Edey
Dumars is a loser Tommy G is a billionaire...Joe drafted Darko and killed the Pistons brand for 20+ years...are u insane. He won't; be brought back!
Voilà pourquoi Risacher n'ira pas a Détroit avec une mentalité pareil, c'est pas étonnant que les Pistons que les Pistons remonteront la pente.
Am I the only one who thinks Aussar can be our starting power forward?
Yes.
😂😂😂😂 Jeremy grant on a long contract why would we do that? That’s such a shit idea
Why?
Get me BI!
No, horrible idea.
I'm going to say yes Jimmy Butler would be the best player on a championship team. If it wasn't for injuries they beat the Lakers that bubble year.
What would you trade
@@Jamar-lg9ob trade for what? Jimmy?
@@Will313J yeah
@@Jamar-lg9ob Everyone but Cade. I do feel like he's on the decline now but two years ago I would have traded the entire team 😂 I like Thompson and Sasser a lot but these players more than likely will never get to that level that Jimmy has seen. I really hope I'm wrong.
@@Will313J cade was a big part of the losing team numbers and winning percentage better without him he the one slow down the pace of the young guys
In a word...YES.
Please stop talking about trolls who say Cade doesn't deserve the mini max. I've talked to almost 100 random Pistons fans and not one hesitates at the notion of giving Cade the mini max.
I like Jeremy Grant as the two way veteran leader. I have no idea what the Blazers would want. It would be hilarious if we traded Duren for Grant. We would basically be undoing the trade Wesver didn't want to make.
Rather have duren
Cade is 22 23/8/4 (45/36/87) Cade is going to be a superstar End of story! Your trade value is ridiculous...2 mid 1st???? Where do they get these guys?
Cade 23&8 contributed to 9wins total this season which the polarity effect of that was a historic losing streak via 28 consecutive. Obviously you extend Cade but imo it would be for insurance policy only.
For me it depends on the direction they want to go next season. I genuinely don't believe we can make the play in next season, even with the guys we are "projected" to have interest in because that's all just speculations. I would much rather prefer we chase what the Pacers, Magic and Utah Jazz did last year and just compete instead of chase the play in. If he doesn't mind not being competitive for another year then yeah sign him to the max, but if not then trade him. I'd rather us chase for better assets and younger guys who fit around Cade than what if's like Brandin Ingram, Malik Monk, and Nic Claxton who don't even move the needle for their current teams.