Rimac and senna aren’t hyper cars. But nice to see the Mercedes suspension go to other cars
@3dforyouflorianar7710 сағат бұрын
god my old miata miss me so much...
@thehatefull176111 сағат бұрын
Useless
@thiago4santos18 сағат бұрын
The hybrid 911 is inevitable, bring it on.
@OVERDRIVE.studios17 сағат бұрын
Yup! Porsche is revealing it on May 28.
@JazzbLu20 сағат бұрын
Great video and information! Although you are very much wrong about the weight of a Humvee. The lightest version of the HMMWV or Humvee is 5,900 pounds. That's 1,000 more than this Taycan.
@OVERDRIVE.studios19 сағат бұрын
Lightest I found was M998 A0 at 5,200 lbs. Weissach Taycan is 4,925lbs. Figured a difference of 275 lbs wasn't *too* hyperbolic at those weights!
@markjones-vx3kp22 сағат бұрын
Just get an M275 merc engine
@hellcat352222 сағат бұрын
A damper dampens
@elderkai696922 сағат бұрын
Bought the worst turbo and put it in one of the worst looking cars lol
@badoublenana22 сағат бұрын
A moment of silence for the ABS gods, accidents would be hundredfold without any alternatives.
@markjones-vx3kp22 сағат бұрын
BMW have many serious issues with there engines these days I can’t see it being as tough as a 2JZ it’s not happening
@ghislainbernard754623 сағат бұрын
I love my Lancer CVT transmission..
@SpidersNet31Күн бұрын
more diesel/electric hybrids
@Dario01Күн бұрын
Changing the way " physics " work is something phenomenal from an engineering side but will destroy the feeling of driving. It will be very comfortable and fast in a " fake " way. It's a double edge sword from my point of view, but an excellent work from the Porsche team for sure
@OVERDRIVE.studios23 сағат бұрын
Road & Track published a review by Jethro Bovingdon today where he said exactly this about the Panamera with Active Ride. He says skip it because it doesn't "feel right."
@Case16710Күн бұрын
I’d be surprised if they aren’t uploading a map of the track to the suspension computer for these record attempts, like the 1992 Williams F1 car. This would allow the car to switch set ups for each corner, straight, and acceleration (deceleration) event, rather than simply reacting.
@OVERDRIVE.studios20 сағат бұрын
If they aren't doing it already, they might be soon! Porsche has partnered with a company called ClearMotion who develops software that can adjust suspension based on crowd-sourced location data about road conditions. ClearMotion also bought the active suspension technology originally developed by Bose, which was revolutionary.
@Case1671018 сағат бұрын
@@OVERDRIVE.studios interesting. Yes, I remember seeing test footage of the Bose system. It could lift the wheels going over speed bumps at speed, so the chassis barely moved at all.
@sasor098Күн бұрын
why has no one tried using other versions of CVTs? just look at tractors, pretty much any tractor with more than 150 HP has a CVT option of some kind. which are reliable, able to handle all the torque in the world and handle lots of power.
@OVERDRIVE.studios20 сағат бұрын
Equipment like tractors use hydrostatic CVTs designed for low-rpm and high-torque. Making those work for passenger cars might be difficult because the rotating mass at high-rpms would require them to be built really sturdy. That would add a lot of weight and size (and cost), potentially too much to be practical in a small car.
@sasor09814 сағат бұрын
@@OVERDRIVE.studios right, there is the high rpm problem Wonder if that could be fixed by switching out the hydraulic motor with an electric one and kept the consept of two inputs on output on a planetary gear set, giving all the benefits of both electric, ICE and cvt
@jefflabute2946Күн бұрын
Bring back manual transmissions. They are cheaper andmore reliable. ;-) Darn I miss them. Less electronics would be nice too. Make cars affordable again.
@josiahb.1069Күн бұрын
My question then is, are we incapable of making hydrogen with a process of hydrolisis on board the vehicle so the only thing you keep in the tank is water essentially ? I only ask because ive seen it done with a generator.
@ukwanКүн бұрын
Mercedes was doing this with the C215 (CL Coupé) 25 years ago, if you've ever lobbed one of those two tonne monsters down a road its surprising how well they drive for such a huge vehicle.
@renereicheКүн бұрын
The weight transfer is ALWAYS the same, no matter the springs. You could accelerate a suspension-less, wheel-less 2200kg brick(!)[assuming same dimensions and position of the center-of-gravity] and it would have the same weight transfer as the Taycan. The springs and dampers are there to "smooth" weight transfer (or buffer energy) over time (especially when driving over bumps), while ARBs are there to direct weight-transfer between front and rear, depending on the ARB stiffness ratio front-to-rear. [and the phrase "weight transfer" is bad anyway, we should talk about tire loads or vertical forces]
@DChrlsКүн бұрын
I rode in a Panamera 4S a few weeks ago and the ride was not what I was expecting. I was expecting something like my 2020 300S but it was butter smooth and sharp in corners. This new suspension must be amazing.
@TWBJ_01Күн бұрын
Chris Bangle BMW designs are disgusting today as they were 20 years ago.
@seanewing204Күн бұрын
It sounds like cars are the wrong place to start. This tech would be awesome on a picture, or for personal electronics like laptops and phones. Or how about an e-ink table, desk, fridge, oven, etc.? Furniture and large appliances would be cool! Maybe try it on a computer or console case first, and then move on to outdoor applications like cars, coolers, bikes, and more.
@stoo149Күн бұрын
Dude, you're not American, and you're discussing a European vehicle. Metric units please. Or US friends will have to get used to them at some point.
@DrVortКүн бұрын
I've been waiting for this tech to go on something in production for years, since seen that american video from 90-s with electric actuators instead of spring and damper. Finally we're here!..
@ChibiSteakКүн бұрын
8:49 fin.
@soulshinobiКүн бұрын
There's an old joke that if you ask an engineer to design you a dampener, he'll stop by your desk with a wet sponge. A dampener dampens (makes wet), and damper damps (controls motion).
@SeyelerКүн бұрын
I wonder how this suspension would help tire deg. Hypercar/LmDH wouldn’t allow it, but man this should be on a prototype.
@OVERDRIVE.studiosКүн бұрын
That's a really interesting question. We didn't cover this, but the system is programmed to take advantage of normal camber changes that occur as the suspension compresses or extends, to maximize contact patch. That would also help keep temperature and wear more even, potentially reducing degradation.
@jzb8380Күн бұрын
“Porsche’s adult rhino” 😂
@ivan_domangaming9359Күн бұрын
I remember Lexus having something like this years ago, but that was for comfort an Porsche did it for performance
@tuberworksjonesКүн бұрын
Quark makes insane , sic, makes Delta flyer look primitive
@michaelcordesКүн бұрын
I know everyone is complaining about what the channel was etc as they are with other channels. What everyone fails to consider is this content is free, i know channels earn revenue from sponsorship and advertising but it shows continuous projects and stunts just isn't financially viable. It pains me but i have a feeling a lot of our favourite current channels will end up bankrupt or following suit. You can't maintain a business model on KZread it's just too uncertain. As a content creator i know the algorithm can hide you without any warning or explanation add to that as misheard word can result in a strike, demonstration and shadow banning, look what happened to jayemm when talking about the lesbos turn at imola. The algorithm decided that it was hate speech!
@jakejansen16Күн бұрын
No talk about the lotus evija, a prototype EV that lapped a 6:24?
@OVERDRIVE.studiosКүн бұрын
Nope! The Evija X is a heavily modified track-only version. If they'd done a lap in the road-going Evija, that would be different, and they should! It's 1,000 lbs. lighter than the Rimac!
@scooby45247Күн бұрын
Porsche makes race cars you can drive.. the 911 will get it and set new records..
@kevinburke6743Күн бұрын
It will make the 911 almost as good as the Boxster "S". Active ride Suspension, Independent individual wheel Steering by wire. Braking by wire with Wheel Hub Motors with Regen Braking. Then we are almost all the same 4 combined units one at each corner! Making sure that wheels remain absolutely vertical no matter how far they are turned! Maximum road/ track contact area all of the time!
@darthnatas953Күн бұрын
The standard 911 suspension is already superior to the Boxster as it is currently.
@kevinburke6743Күн бұрын
@@darthnatas953 That's by choice! Theirs because that what they choose to fit! Don't forget that the Boxster saved Porsche from bankruptcy! the 911 is the ultimate development of the VW BUG! Axle, Transmission, Engine, hanging out the back end! The complete reverse of F1 & Indy cars! The theory is central mass low centre of gravity.
@JohnCharb87Күн бұрын
I've driven a old Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor as a surplus local government work vehicle. Everything shown during the old vs new section at 8:04 is legit. It can go really fast when pushed. However over rough roads you feel everything.
@finalbag858Күн бұрын
Tie-Con, british people and their insisting on mispronouncing other ppls words.
@stevehardyuk2 күн бұрын
Williams did this ages ago, so what is the difference? Over 30 years and technology has move on but is it not the same thing, Scott?
@bertram-raven2 күн бұрын
Customers are not looking favourably on the Taycan range. Most of the last model buyers are finding nobody wants them. Not even companies akin to "We Buy Any Piece of Junk" do not want them at any price.
@asaflevy15402 күн бұрын
Been driving a Citroen with "Active Ride suspension" or more accurately, hydropneumatic suspension for 11 years now, good to see other makers catch on, It's the best suspension. Edit: I know Citroen has the patents, which is the reason not many makers have licensed the tech, apart from a few exceptions.
@stupidocanerosa2 күн бұрын
I imagine a car with those suspensions, active cambering like the Lamborghini, 4 wheel drive and 4 wheel steering... It should beat any Nurburgring laptime in reverse.
@stepan.poluianovКүн бұрын
Though exactly the same! When will Porsche and Lamborghini combine their tech?
@OVERDRIVE.studios23 сағат бұрын
Really good question. VW Group makes strange decisions about which brands share technology. VW shares with Audi, Audi shares with Lamborghini, but VW doesn't share with Lamborghini (to the best of my knowledge, anyway). So who knows if it'll happen for Porsche and Lamborghini?
@stupidocanerosa15 сағат бұрын
@@OVERDRIVE.studios I do believe it's a matter of societary status. VW and Audi are basically the same factory with the same products. Of course Audi is Audi and has a much more premium line up and clientele. Downscaling the wide variety of models we can say the same for Skoda and Seat. While Porsche and Lamborghini are strange animals with a very specific customer's target. They want and need to remain "independent" and do their thing, otherwise the risk of losing the core enthusiasts is high. Yes, they share surely some parts, in some cases big ones (Cayenne 3.2 V6) but the target are different. Maybe Lamborghini is trying to enter into the more sporty realm of Porsche to be back in business against Ferrari. Or maybe , as said above, the two brands simply maintain more independence from the group than expected.
@maxbrainbox2 күн бұрын
The Citroën Xantia Activa (1990-ties) managed to do all this, reliably and with excellent ride quality and handling at 12V. (granted: it wasn't electric but hydropneumatic)
@stupidocanerosaКүн бұрын
Reliably?
@maxbrainboxКүн бұрын
@@stupidocanerosa I drove one for 8 years
@youknowitsGORT2 күн бұрын
Let’s go
@Ledshot2 күн бұрын
I miss what this channel was.
@leenux17072 күн бұрын
It's a Porsche xantia activa
@myownsite2 күн бұрын
It's no secret that Xantia Activa punched way above its power to weight thanks to its active suspension. Glad to finally see a modern take, even if it's hideously expensive and complex. Neither of which applied to what Citroen achieved in 90s.
@BioFake12 күн бұрын
Citroën be like : You know about the Xantia Activa, right ? Riiiiiight ? And my concern is the same than it was with the Citroën : reliability ! It's all fun to do a single Nürb lap, when will we see it on the 24H of Le Mans Porsche ?
@OVERDRIVE.studios2 күн бұрын
Unfortunately, Le Mans regulations don't allow active suspension!
@BioFake12 күн бұрын
@@OVERDRIVE.studios Even in box 56 ?
@OVERDRIVE.studios2 күн бұрын
Great question, and I don't know the answer! Since garage 56 is hand-picked each year, I suppose they can choose whatever car they want, with whatever technology. I believe the only technical regulations are for safety.
@BioFake12 күн бұрын
@@OVERDRIVE.studios Ok, thank you so much !
@LUMLTZ052 күн бұрын
Can you please compare it to Audi S8 predictive suspension
@OVERDRIVE.studios2 күн бұрын
Didn't have time to cover that in this video, but there are two big differences. The Audi uses air springs to adjust the suspension and it scans the road ahead to adjust predictively. Porsche determined that because their system can react within 77ms, partly because it doesn't rely on adjusting air springs, it wasn't worth the added complexity to scan and predict.
@LUMLTZ052 күн бұрын
@@OVERDRIVE.studios Thanks so much for the info. AFAIK Audi predictive suspension uses motors along each air suspension with 48v, it can tilt and keep level in corners and acceleration. It would be interesting to see the main differences and design decisions as both fro VW groupe. Thanks again for your content, keep it up!
@autoteaКүн бұрын
@@LUMLTZ05 Yup, that's correct. The Audi is mild-hybrid which mildly solves the energy problem
@jamdc20002 күн бұрын
this channel had a good run, thanks guys from Overdrive
@alexandrumarinescu12 күн бұрын
Leave overdrive Scott. It's time for you to join the AutoAlex universe.
@wanhariz2 күн бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@redzone5655Күн бұрын
Why? I would be like leaving Oxford for Big Brother or the Bachelor!
@insidemordecai2 күн бұрын
Cool video and tech actually but feels like a Driver 61 video and not Overdrive
@OVERDRIVE.studios2 күн бұрын
Glad you liked the video! Driver 61 is motorsports, Overdrive is road cars. Obviously that'll overlap from time to time since lots of core concepts apply to either, but many viewers aren't interested in both.
@insidemordecai2 күн бұрын
@@OVERDRIVE.studios fair enough. Never thought of the two channels being essentially road cars vs motorsport. Makes sense though.
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Rimac and senna aren’t hyper cars. But nice to see the Mercedes suspension go to other cars
god my old miata miss me so much...
Useless
The hybrid 911 is inevitable, bring it on.
Yup! Porsche is revealing it on May 28.
Great video and information! Although you are very much wrong about the weight of a Humvee. The lightest version of the HMMWV or Humvee is 5,900 pounds. That's 1,000 more than this Taycan.
Lightest I found was M998 A0 at 5,200 lbs. Weissach Taycan is 4,925lbs. Figured a difference of 275 lbs wasn't *too* hyperbolic at those weights!
Just get an M275 merc engine
A damper dampens
Bought the worst turbo and put it in one of the worst looking cars lol
A moment of silence for the ABS gods, accidents would be hundredfold without any alternatives.
BMW have many serious issues with there engines these days I can’t see it being as tough as a 2JZ it’s not happening
I love my Lancer CVT transmission..
more diesel/electric hybrids
Changing the way " physics " work is something phenomenal from an engineering side but will destroy the feeling of driving. It will be very comfortable and fast in a " fake " way. It's a double edge sword from my point of view, but an excellent work from the Porsche team for sure
Road & Track published a review by Jethro Bovingdon today where he said exactly this about the Panamera with Active Ride. He says skip it because it doesn't "feel right."
I’d be surprised if they aren’t uploading a map of the track to the suspension computer for these record attempts, like the 1992 Williams F1 car. This would allow the car to switch set ups for each corner, straight, and acceleration (deceleration) event, rather than simply reacting.
If they aren't doing it already, they might be soon! Porsche has partnered with a company called ClearMotion who develops software that can adjust suspension based on crowd-sourced location data about road conditions. ClearMotion also bought the active suspension technology originally developed by Bose, which was revolutionary.
@@OVERDRIVE.studios interesting. Yes, I remember seeing test footage of the Bose system. It could lift the wheels going over speed bumps at speed, so the chassis barely moved at all.
why has no one tried using other versions of CVTs? just look at tractors, pretty much any tractor with more than 150 HP has a CVT option of some kind. which are reliable, able to handle all the torque in the world and handle lots of power.
Equipment like tractors use hydrostatic CVTs designed for low-rpm and high-torque. Making those work for passenger cars might be difficult because the rotating mass at high-rpms would require them to be built really sturdy. That would add a lot of weight and size (and cost), potentially too much to be practical in a small car.
@@OVERDRIVE.studios right, there is the high rpm problem Wonder if that could be fixed by switching out the hydraulic motor with an electric one and kept the consept of two inputs on output on a planetary gear set, giving all the benefits of both electric, ICE and cvt
Bring back manual transmissions. They are cheaper andmore reliable. ;-) Darn I miss them. Less electronics would be nice too. Make cars affordable again.
My question then is, are we incapable of making hydrogen with a process of hydrolisis on board the vehicle so the only thing you keep in the tank is water essentially ? I only ask because ive seen it done with a generator.
Mercedes was doing this with the C215 (CL Coupé) 25 years ago, if you've ever lobbed one of those two tonne monsters down a road its surprising how well they drive for such a huge vehicle.
The weight transfer is ALWAYS the same, no matter the springs. You could accelerate a suspension-less, wheel-less 2200kg brick(!)[assuming same dimensions and position of the center-of-gravity] and it would have the same weight transfer as the Taycan. The springs and dampers are there to "smooth" weight transfer (or buffer energy) over time (especially when driving over bumps), while ARBs are there to direct weight-transfer between front and rear, depending on the ARB stiffness ratio front-to-rear. [and the phrase "weight transfer" is bad anyway, we should talk about tire loads or vertical forces]
I rode in a Panamera 4S a few weeks ago and the ride was not what I was expecting. I was expecting something like my 2020 300S but it was butter smooth and sharp in corners. This new suspension must be amazing.
Chris Bangle BMW designs are disgusting today as they were 20 years ago.
It sounds like cars are the wrong place to start. This tech would be awesome on a picture, or for personal electronics like laptops and phones. Or how about an e-ink table, desk, fridge, oven, etc.? Furniture and large appliances would be cool! Maybe try it on a computer or console case first, and then move on to outdoor applications like cars, coolers, bikes, and more.
Dude, you're not American, and you're discussing a European vehicle. Metric units please. Or US friends will have to get used to them at some point.
I've been waiting for this tech to go on something in production for years, since seen that american video from 90-s with electric actuators instead of spring and damper. Finally we're here!..
8:49 fin.
There's an old joke that if you ask an engineer to design you a dampener, he'll stop by your desk with a wet sponge. A dampener dampens (makes wet), and damper damps (controls motion).
I wonder how this suspension would help tire deg. Hypercar/LmDH wouldn’t allow it, but man this should be on a prototype.
That's a really interesting question. We didn't cover this, but the system is programmed to take advantage of normal camber changes that occur as the suspension compresses or extends, to maximize contact patch. That would also help keep temperature and wear more even, potentially reducing degradation.
“Porsche’s adult rhino” 😂
I remember Lexus having something like this years ago, but that was for comfort an Porsche did it for performance
Quark makes insane , sic, makes Delta flyer look primitive
I know everyone is complaining about what the channel was etc as they are with other channels. What everyone fails to consider is this content is free, i know channels earn revenue from sponsorship and advertising but it shows continuous projects and stunts just isn't financially viable. It pains me but i have a feeling a lot of our favourite current channels will end up bankrupt or following suit. You can't maintain a business model on KZread it's just too uncertain. As a content creator i know the algorithm can hide you without any warning or explanation add to that as misheard word can result in a strike, demonstration and shadow banning, look what happened to jayemm when talking about the lesbos turn at imola. The algorithm decided that it was hate speech!
No talk about the lotus evija, a prototype EV that lapped a 6:24?
Nope! The Evija X is a heavily modified track-only version. If they'd done a lap in the road-going Evija, that would be different, and they should! It's 1,000 lbs. lighter than the Rimac!
Porsche makes race cars you can drive.. the 911 will get it and set new records..
It will make the 911 almost as good as the Boxster "S". Active ride Suspension, Independent individual wheel Steering by wire. Braking by wire with Wheel Hub Motors with Regen Braking. Then we are almost all the same 4 combined units one at each corner! Making sure that wheels remain absolutely vertical no matter how far they are turned! Maximum road/ track contact area all of the time!
The standard 911 suspension is already superior to the Boxster as it is currently.
@@darthnatas953 That's by choice! Theirs because that what they choose to fit! Don't forget that the Boxster saved Porsche from bankruptcy! the 911 is the ultimate development of the VW BUG! Axle, Transmission, Engine, hanging out the back end! The complete reverse of F1 & Indy cars! The theory is central mass low centre of gravity.
I've driven a old Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor as a surplus local government work vehicle. Everything shown during the old vs new section at 8:04 is legit. It can go really fast when pushed. However over rough roads you feel everything.
Tie-Con, british people and their insisting on mispronouncing other ppls words.
Williams did this ages ago, so what is the difference? Over 30 years and technology has move on but is it not the same thing, Scott?
Customers are not looking favourably on the Taycan range. Most of the last model buyers are finding nobody wants them. Not even companies akin to "We Buy Any Piece of Junk" do not want them at any price.
Been driving a Citroen with "Active Ride suspension" or more accurately, hydropneumatic suspension for 11 years now, good to see other makers catch on, It's the best suspension. Edit: I know Citroen has the patents, which is the reason not many makers have licensed the tech, apart from a few exceptions.
I imagine a car with those suspensions, active cambering like the Lamborghini, 4 wheel drive and 4 wheel steering... It should beat any Nurburgring laptime in reverse.
Though exactly the same! When will Porsche and Lamborghini combine their tech?
Really good question. VW Group makes strange decisions about which brands share technology. VW shares with Audi, Audi shares with Lamborghini, but VW doesn't share with Lamborghini (to the best of my knowledge, anyway). So who knows if it'll happen for Porsche and Lamborghini?
@@OVERDRIVE.studios I do believe it's a matter of societary status. VW and Audi are basically the same factory with the same products. Of course Audi is Audi and has a much more premium line up and clientele. Downscaling the wide variety of models we can say the same for Skoda and Seat. While Porsche and Lamborghini are strange animals with a very specific customer's target. They want and need to remain "independent" and do their thing, otherwise the risk of losing the core enthusiasts is high. Yes, they share surely some parts, in some cases big ones (Cayenne 3.2 V6) but the target are different. Maybe Lamborghini is trying to enter into the more sporty realm of Porsche to be back in business against Ferrari. Or maybe , as said above, the two brands simply maintain more independence from the group than expected.
The Citroën Xantia Activa (1990-ties) managed to do all this, reliably and with excellent ride quality and handling at 12V. (granted: it wasn't electric but hydropneumatic)
Reliably?
@@stupidocanerosa I drove one for 8 years
Let’s go
I miss what this channel was.
It's a Porsche xantia activa
It's no secret that Xantia Activa punched way above its power to weight thanks to its active suspension. Glad to finally see a modern take, even if it's hideously expensive and complex. Neither of which applied to what Citroen achieved in 90s.
Citroën be like : You know about the Xantia Activa, right ? Riiiiiight ? And my concern is the same than it was with the Citroën : reliability ! It's all fun to do a single Nürb lap, when will we see it on the 24H of Le Mans Porsche ?
Unfortunately, Le Mans regulations don't allow active suspension!
@@OVERDRIVE.studios Even in box 56 ?
Great question, and I don't know the answer! Since garage 56 is hand-picked each year, I suppose they can choose whatever car they want, with whatever technology. I believe the only technical regulations are for safety.
@@OVERDRIVE.studios Ok, thank you so much !
Can you please compare it to Audi S8 predictive suspension
Didn't have time to cover that in this video, but there are two big differences. The Audi uses air springs to adjust the suspension and it scans the road ahead to adjust predictively. Porsche determined that because their system can react within 77ms, partly because it doesn't rely on adjusting air springs, it wasn't worth the added complexity to scan and predict.
@@OVERDRIVE.studios Thanks so much for the info. AFAIK Audi predictive suspension uses motors along each air suspension with 48v, it can tilt and keep level in corners and acceleration. It would be interesting to see the main differences and design decisions as both fro VW groupe. Thanks again for your content, keep it up!
@@LUMLTZ05 Yup, that's correct. The Audi is mild-hybrid which mildly solves the energy problem
this channel had a good run, thanks guys from Overdrive
Leave overdrive Scott. It's time for you to join the AutoAlex universe.
🤣🤣🤣
Why? I would be like leaving Oxford for Big Brother or the Bachelor!
Cool video and tech actually but feels like a Driver 61 video and not Overdrive
Glad you liked the video! Driver 61 is motorsports, Overdrive is road cars. Obviously that'll overlap from time to time since lots of core concepts apply to either, but many viewers aren't interested in both.
@@OVERDRIVE.studios fair enough. Never thought of the two channels being essentially road cars vs motorsport. Makes sense though.