Hi, How do I retrofit? I bought v spec door cards and plan to instsll it on my standard edition. How and where do I plug it into?
@3rdMillennium5 күн бұрын
If you were retrofitting the SE/LE door cards onto standard Miata doors, the woofer connection is the same. If you wanted to run those tweeters for some reason, just connect them in parallel to the wires feeding the woofers.
@Bananywkoszyku2 күн бұрын
@@3rdMillennium sure, but does my car have these extra cables? I only have 1 speaker in the door. I am a newbie when it comes to audio - do I just remove the tweeter plug and connect the cables to the other speaker that is present?
@3rdMillennium2 күн бұрын
@@Bananywkoszyku As you are doing a retrofit into a Miata that didn't have that special audio setup, there won't be any factory door harness leads running up to that tweeter. So you'll have to make up that wire harness.
@DaveSimkus23 күн бұрын
Do you have an explainer on the 4th generation ND Miata Bose system? I have a 2017 and the audio quality from the speakers is so poor. A lot of the midrange detail is completely lost and the bass has no detail either. I'm spoiled by my single SONOS Five speaker at home which sounds way better than the entire Bose system in the car. I tweaked the EQ in the car but it only does so much. I heard that you can't simply put new door speakers in as it won't make much difference.
@3rdMillennium23 күн бұрын
Hello Dave. We don't have a video done yet for the ND, but our M800 door speakers with our AD2 installation kit are a drop-in replacement for either the Bose or stock speakers in the ND. When installed, we recommend disconnecting the tweeter in the door columns as the M800s are already a 2-way design with a far superior tweeter. If you have one of the models with headrest speakers, we don't have a replacement for those (you have to pretty much remove all the seat upholstery to get at them and the average owner won't be comfortable doing that), so we suggest balancing the system so that our M800s handle 95% of the music and the HR speakers are *just* audible to help with wind/road noise. There's more info on our regular website at 3maudio.com
@alans.90124 күн бұрын
So I am a little confused we have a 2009 with Bose system and the drivers door speaker is blown so what speakers should I replace them with?
@3rdMillennium24 күн бұрын
Our M800's are a perfect physical fit in the 2009-2015 Miata doors with stock Bose speakers, but operation of *any* standard speaker will not be correct with the stock Bose amp as Mazda/Bose built the speaker system crossovers into the amp itself so that the door woofer and tweeter are fed frequency-limited signals. This means your only real option for replacing a failed Bose speaker is another Bose speaker. I believe they are still available new through Mazda, but the price is comically expensive - close to $400, I think. The cost, and underwhelming performance is why so many owners have pulled out all the Bose stuff and installed a modern head unit and speakers. If you just want to get your current Bose system going at the least cost, look for a used woofer on eBay. As long as the seller guarantees it to work, it shouldn't be more than $40 to get a replacement.
@alans.90124 күн бұрын
Thank you for your advice. I probably will just rip out the bows. Get a new head unit and speakers.
@russptube25 күн бұрын
Hello. Can you just confirm for me that I should remove the wind blocker amp if I'm using your m200 speaker. I have a 2004 mazdaspeed model with the original premium Bose (😢) system. Many thanks
@3rdMillennium24 күн бұрын
If you still have the stock Bose radio setup that came in the 04 & 05 Mazdaspeed, you can leave and use the amp in the windblocker.
@MushroomJuice2028 күн бұрын
What size baffles did you use. My car door leaks a little and i am going to change my speakers in my car. I want to make sure i get the right size baffle to use as a rain guard. I drive a 1991 miata
@3rdMillennium28 күн бұрын
We use the VXT65 baffles for the M800s. They are available on our website if you need a set. 3maudio.com/misc.html
@yahsoo1Ай бұрын
This video needs a redo. I really needs to show how the AD-1 adaptor fits together. The words here are unclear. It also needs to show the completed assembly going into the door. It's not clear how this "is the gasket".
@3rdMillenniumАй бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to comment. We do go over the AD1 adapter in a couple other videos where we are installing the M800s speakers, so check those out. And the assembly sequence is: speaker - XTC baffle - AD1 (if being used in your install - the AD1 is not used for 90-97 models) We will work on the idea of an expanded video showing more options and actual fitting into a couple door models.
@markcaprio9834Ай бұрын
Hi Glen, wish I had seen your video a few years ago before I replaced the bose head with an ATOTO that keeps the bose amp in my 2009 GT. Can I increase power to the replacement 8 inch door mid-range 2 ohm speakers using the atoto equalizer and increasing (or decreasing filtering) the response to the lower freqs? Thanks, great info! Mark
@3rdMillenniumАй бұрын
The crossovers for the 09-15 Bose systems are built into the amps and each speaker is fed frequency-limited signals., so unfortunately there's nothing to be done at the headunit to change what frequencies go to which speakers. So you can boost frequencies that are already fed to each speaker, but you can't alter the range at all. I believe the woofers in the doors roll off to the little fullrange around 600 Hz or so.
@gshit1996Ай бұрын
What’s a reasonable price for one of these nowadays?
@3rdMillenniumАй бұрын
Because of the scarcity of supply, recent customers (6/24) have told us they are paying around $200 for a speaker-ready NB windblocker.
@AlvinkngАй бұрын
I have a non bose 2012 mazda miata do i keep the tweeter disconnected? Or reconnect the tweeter with the m800 speakers?
@3rdMillenniumАй бұрын
Leave the stock tweeter disconnected. The M800s are a 2-way speaker with a built-in tweeter which is a much better quality driver than that stock little speaker
@FrankLowe1949Ай бұрын
Thank you so much❤❤❤
@3rdMillenniumАй бұрын
You are very welcome!
@naimisddiken96062 ай бұрын
Hello Sir, I bought a Chinese Carplay Android for my Mazda MX-5 NC, when the sound is high I had a lot of noise. I spook with them, they send me an Amplifier, it resolve the noise but at high volume (30 on screen) the door speakers shut down so I have to restart the car and lower the volume so I can get them back! Is it a power problem ? many thanks.
@3rdMillennium2 ай бұрын
It is likely something related to the impedance load the radio's amp is seeing. When the audio cuts out entirely it is usually the radio's amp going into protection mode. It will do this to avoid damage to the amp circuitry. Protection mode can be triggered by too low an impedance (which can happen with multiple 4-ohm speakers connected in parallel), a short (or near-short) to ground in one of the speaker leads, or some internal problem with the amp in the radio. Make sure your total speaker connection for each channel is no less than 3-4 ohms and also verify that with the speaker leads disconnected at the radio that there isn't less than a 3-4 ohm impedance measured from any speaker lead to the vehicle ground.
@naimisddiken9606Ай бұрын
@@3rdMillennium Thank you Sir, my car still has the 4 OEM ones, just to clarify things, the ones which shuts down are only the door speakers, yes I need to buy a DMM to check the SC. Also, my battery is dead I am waiting for new to come so my be can not supply enough current but I am more with you explanation and need to measure the impedance. If there is no SC, do you think I can add an inductor to increase the load at the X frequency!!!
@3rdMillenniumАй бұрын
@@naimisddiken9606 Low system voltage will definitely create a problem, so follow up on the battery and also verify that the alternator is producing as it should be. In the meantime, try disconnecting the OEM door tweeters if you still have them connected. They aren't very good quality anyway and the M800s are already a 2-way design with superior tweeters. Dropping those out of the circuit will raise the door impendence and that should then help with the load presented to the amp.
@3rdMillennium5 күн бұрын
@@naimisddiken9606 There are a couple fuses to check associated with the radio. In the passenger compartment next to driver's left leg, check #1 and #10. And regarding testing, impedance will not vary with volume. Using your meter, check each speaker wire (removed from speaker) to the vehicle ground. You should *not* show a low impedance short to ground on any lead.
@Tony-ek5pf2 ай бұрын
So we’re not worried about an electrical fire then
@3rdMillennium2 ай бұрын
Everything is properly fused and protected, so no worries
@kindercarcaredetailing47682 ай бұрын
Bought a '92 Mustang and also recently purchased a obd1 scanner to read the codes. The connectors are corroded and they, I guess won't let the scanner get any signal. Just ordered some glass test tubes(got a feeling I'll be having to do this to alot of rhe ends) but just want to thank you for showing this safe and simple means to remove corrosion and such from terminals. Now just waiting on my test tubes to arrive. Thank You Sir!
@3rdMillennium2 ай бұрын
Glad it helped
@dennislau22273 ай бұрын
If you just pull the fuse, would that have negated the need to disconnect the battery?
@3rdMillennium3 ай бұрын
If you were absolutely sure you were pulling the right fuse, then yes. But if you disconnect the battery you don't have to worry about potentially making a mistake with fuses.
@dennislau22273 ай бұрын
@@3rdMillennium Your video already shows clearly which fuse to pull... 😄
@3rdMillennium3 ай бұрын
@@dennislau2227 at the end...
@rocko107me83 ай бұрын
Just bought a used 2010 NC. It already has an aftermarket JVC head unit/amplifier, and the last owner also had new 8" door speakers installed, but the system overall sounds like crap, mainly because of how bright/peaky it sounds at moderate to high volume. Your mentioning of the factory tweeter being peaky/bright is exactly what I experience which is great to know. Now i just need to remove my door panels and see if the 8" speakers are one way or two-way and just disconnect the factor tweeter and potential replace the 8" speakers with a two-way, if the current ones are one way...will order yours if that's the case. You've given me hope :) . Great coverage of the topic, thank you.
@3rdMillennium3 ай бұрын
Glad it helped. You may find the peakiness you're hearing is coming from whatever got installed by the PO (almost certainly a 2 or 3-way - hard to buy anything else at this point). If that's the case your only real option will be to replace them.
@rocko107me82 ай бұрын
@@3rdMillennium Thanks...just ordered my M800's. I'm in MA. Nice that you guys are local. Also...do you have any recommendation for a 3.5" speaker that would fit the center dash that is better than just disconnecting the factory(which are so harsh)...which I've done. The car was already retrofitted with a JVC KW-V230BT head unit, but I don't think the installer had any idea how bad the factory tweeters are and they just installed 8" woofers in the doors with the factory tweeters. M800's will solve that. Can't wait.
@3rdMillennium2 ай бұрын
@@rocko107me8 We tell people to just leave the center dash alone or just disconnect it. It is really only useful for handsfree phone calls or a pure mono signal, so for music you want to focus on the L/R door speakers. And I know what you mean about harsh sound of those tweeters. The stock sound system in the NC uses a real soft dome tweeter (which isn't great but it's not terrible), but the 5x7 driver that's doing 80% of the audio is a nasty full-range driver with a huge midrange peak. And then the NC Bose systems cross over from their woofer at around 400 Hz, so 95% of the audio is coming from the little 2.5" paper fullrange in the doors -- super peaky and not very nice to listen to.
@ktheeck3 ай бұрын
Where is the nd video?
@3rdMillennium3 ай бұрын
We don't have a ND video made yet. But the included printed instructions with the ND horn have quite a few pictures that should help out.
@mmartinez36193 ай бұрын
Stellar instructions!
@digitalbreakthroughs4 ай бұрын
A great how-to video with no distracting music! Yes! I’m about to buy this horn, and I’ll show the mechanic this video!
@arde49284 ай бұрын
Will these be compatible with the Sony XAV-AX500 head unit? Thanks
@GM-oo7ui4 ай бұрын
Sure. The M800s are 100% compatible with any modern head unit or amp.
@3rdMillennium3 ай бұрын
Yes, 100% compatible
@fishtownmafia9524 ай бұрын
I have a 2009 with Bose. Do you know what frequency range the 8cm door speakers are being fed? I'd like to upgrade them for some cleaner mid-range but if they're just used as tweeters (like the ones between the seats) It's probably not worth it.
@3rdMillennium4 ай бұрын
You won't get any midrange if you upgrade the bass drivers. I don't recall the exact crossover frequency but it's well under 1,000 Hz - I seem to recall it around 700Hz? If you look at those OEM Bose bass drivers you'll see why. They are a heavy, paper cone and would be terrible at reproducing midrange frequencies. So the small door fullrange speakers are reproducing 90% of all the sound. It's just a poor design - this is why so many owners elect to just rip out all the Bose equipment and start over with a nice headunit, amp, and some good door speakers.
@fishtownmafia9524 ай бұрын
Thanks, good to know 👍
@xeneox27184 ай бұрын
thank you for this explanation
@3rdMillennium4 ай бұрын
You are very welcome - glad you found the video helpful.
@sylvainblanchard24114 ай бұрын
I bypass my amplifier in the wind bar, how to reconnect the new speaker to the harness??? thank you
@3rdMillennium4 ай бұрын
If you're asking about how to connect a retrofit windblocker to the stereo system, we suggest running wiring for the speakers up along the center tunnel to the stereo headunit. You'll want to attach to the HU's REAR speaker outputs and that will let you balance sounds between the doors and windblocker. Set it so you can *just* hear the WB speakers.
@Stinger22225 ай бұрын
In which cars are the subwoofer used and where are they located?
@3rdMillennium5 ай бұрын
A subwoofer was an available option in the 2006-2015 and also the 2016+. It was a custom molded enclosure that mounted in the passenger footwell.
@sylvainblanchard24115 ай бұрын
My question is I have the Bose system with the amplifier do I have to disconnect the amplifier with the new speaker or it can be plug-in like the regular system
@3rdMillennium5 ай бұрын
If your Bose amp is working OK, then the M200s are a simple plug-in.
@moecabrera95955 ай бұрын
Great detailed video! Thank you SO MUCH! I'm about to replace both of the woofers in my 2006 MX-5 GT. I'm just wondering... What happens if you do keep the tweeter plugged in, does it conflict with the two way woofer? Also, is the 600 a better speaker than the 800? Thank you again for a super informative video and for your time. It's greatly appreciated! 😊
@3rdMillennium5 ай бұрын
If you kept the stock tweeter plugged in, you'd have too much high-end in the system and it would be overly bright. It would also degrade the stereo imaging in the system. The tweeter built into the M800 is a superior performer with a nice smooth, extended response. And the M600 (discontinued) was a budget-option speaker for the Miata which we offered for several years.
@moecabrera95955 ай бұрын
@@3rdMillenniumahh ok! Thank you kindly for the information and schooling! 😊 Great video by the way! 👍
@AnthonyDibiaseIdeas5 ай бұрын
thank you glen.
@maximecholette1936 ай бұрын
Why we need to disconnect the mini amp of bose? It will not give more power to the new m200 speakers?
@3rdMillennium6 ай бұрын
You'd only need to disconnect the built-in amp if you're doing a retrofit into an 1999-2005 that didn't come with a Bose system. But if your Miata came with the full Bose system and that amp is working OK, sure - leave it and the M200s will be glad to have the extra power.
@hidan82926 ай бұрын
Really professionally explained, thank you
@CharlieJarman6 ай бұрын
I installed ours today. It was a bit of a pain in the butt to get my arm into the space. But, pretty straight forward otherwise. And, the horn is exponentially better than Mazda's "meep meep" horn. THANKS for a great product and good install notes.
@3rdMillennium6 ай бұрын
Glad you got it installed OK. And yes, it's a pain especially if you have large arms. Enjoy your Miata!
@mateocarlos26748 ай бұрын
Bose used to make great speakers. But, this system (2007 Miata) is poor. Really bad actually, as far as sound and controls goes. Very mid-rangy. Terrible sound. EDIT: I've been using the system now for 5 months and it's actually pretty good I have an ipod feed direct and it really sounds good. it's odd that I'm figuring this stuff out now but it's true. I just set the bass boosted one and trebble up plus 6, and it sounds pretty good that way. I love the steering wheel controls too!
@3rdMillennium8 ай бұрын
Agree 100%. Peaky midrange and no upper/lower end. You've probably heard the saying - "No highs, no lows, must be Bose". Their pro audio stuff (PA/Live Music) is still quite good.
@mateocarlos26748 ай бұрын
So, I'm trying to understand which component needs replacing the most? Is the head unit adequate? I'm thinking the speakers probably need it. But, then if I replace the speakers, the impedance change will almost certainly require a different amp. I think I'd be content just upgrading the door speakers. I've seen some good upgrade videos (five star car stereo). Any idea which component sucks the worst? @@3rdMillennium
@3rdMillennium8 ай бұрын
The weakest parts of the system are definitely the speakers. The HU and amps are nothing special but once you pull the speakers, you'll see how cheap they are and why they sound the way they do. So I'd suggest dealing with the door speakers first, listening for a few weeks, and then deciding if you want to go further. And impedance isn't really the problem in the system. Using a normal 4-ohm speaker the max power output of the amp will be less, but there's still quite a bit there. Our M800s will drop into place without issue in the NCs. Check out the video we have of an installation in our 2012 for some more info kzread.info/dash/bejne/l3miu7Z7etq7qKg.htmlsi=8_ox4xzpQbfluDTx
@mateocarlos26748 ай бұрын
Those are 6" speakers, right? Will an 8" fit?@@3rdMillennium
@3rdMillennium8 ай бұрын
165mm or about 6" - the AD1 Kit included with the NB bundle allows an exact fit into the stock opening (Bose or non-Bose)@@mateocarlos2674
@mikehooverland82298 ай бұрын
Just finished the install on my NB2. Thank you for the video. It made life easier. However, I wish the horn sound direction coming out of the pipes will be facing forward, not backwards towards the radiator.
@TastyPlacementSEO8 ай бұрын
TAKE my money, ordering speakers now from 3rd M
@gayden466910 ай бұрын
do these speakers sound a lot better than the stock ones?
@3rdMillennium10 ай бұрын
Ultimately, you'd have to be the judge (which is one of the reasons they are sold with a 30-day money back guarantee so you can check them out in your own Miata). But thousands of Miata owners who have purchased the M5's over the years would tell you 'absolutely'. You can read some customer reviews at the bottom of the Millennium-5 product page 3maudio.com/M5.html
@AnthonyDibiaseIdeas10 ай бұрын
By far the most clear explanation and the most simple process. I've actually watched several videos in which the owner insists on removing the entire front bumper.
@AnthonyDibiaseIdeas10 ай бұрын
Just bought one. Top notch quality. So easy to install and operate.
@AnthonyDibiaseIdeas10 ай бұрын
Thank you. I'm going to order one with a battery disconnect. I tried this with a different horn replacement and I had to re-install my meek little squeak of a horn.
@AnthonyDibiaseIdeas10 ай бұрын
Thank you. Very thorough.
@brian646010 ай бұрын
I know this is an old one but maybe some can answer this….if Mazda Has those speakers crossed over how do they accomplish this in the non-Bose system? Is it via a capacitor? Can that be removed? (Cut it out and splice new wire in) If not… heck you’ve already got the car basically taken apart so why not run new speaker wire from the head unit or amp? (assuming you went aftermarket on one or both)
@3rdMillennium10 ай бұрын
Yes, there's a crossover cap on those rear speakers. And while they could produce lower frequencies below the crossover point (probably good to around 600Hz), there is no baffling for these speakers to separate the L&R drivers, so you'll start getting weird cross channel cancellation and nodal effects. Mazda (and many auto mfgs) does this all the time. It makes the installation much easier and less complex (costs them less), but it still allows them to upsell the audio system as a 6, 8, 10+ speaker system - even if it sounds lousy. The ideal solution is to baffle the speakers - completely isolating the left from the right by building them into some sort of enclosure.
@TheWhstrat8 ай бұрын
In my case, my NC1 did not come with rear speaker assembly, and when I replaced the OEM non-Bose, I found the rear speakers assembly on EBAY. I soldered new wiring to each speaker, deleting the OEM connectors, and ran the wiring underneath the center console to the replacement head unit. They don't do much but as mentioned, they add a little high freq response that is lost to the wind. These cars are just not designed for high fidelity sound.
@jaskiero449911 ай бұрын
Hi, where do the wires from the radio go to these speakers? I would love to install them, but I don't know how to connect them.
@3rdMillennium11 ай бұрын
Mazda's that came with windblocker audio (2004 and 2005) have a plug that comes up from the carpet just below the middle of the windblocker and you would connect/disconnect to the windblocker there. If you are retrofitting one of these '04 or '05 windblockers into a 2nd gen Miata that *didn't* come wired for windblocker sound, then you will need to run leads from your radio's rear speaker channels (left and right) back to the windblocker. We suggest it's easiest to do this up under the center console and carpet and then up to the center of the windblocker. Then you'll want to install a 4-pin plug so that you can remove the windblocker in the future, as needed. We actually have another related video that talks about this a bit and shows how to install a 4-pin connector to make the connection to your radio. kzread.info/dash/bejne/rGuJvNKKY6TJcaw.htmlsi=-bc_c2zD-BG9ZUv8
@jaskiero449911 ай бұрын
I'm an electronics engineer by education, so I can handle it, but I didn't know where to run the wire. Now I know! Thank you very much for your help and I appreciate that you have been willing to help people for so many years@@3rdMillennium
@jaskiero449911 ай бұрын
do you think that with a custom 4x50w radio, connect the speakers in parallel or in series? I slightly misunderstood what you mean with rear speakers channels. (it's about whether to do it in series or parallel) my knowledge of audio is unfortunately low. Thanks for your help again@@3rdMillennium
@3rdMillennium11 ай бұрын
If the radio is '4x50', that means you have 4 channels in the amp - two for the front and two for the rear. You'll want to connect the doors to the front and the windblocker to the rear. Then use your fader to balance the system so the doors are primary and you can *just* hear the rears.
@AlMann11 ай бұрын
Why would you cut the factory wiring as opposed to making a plug the just jumps the wiring? That would be SO much easier. Plus, if this is done with a factory wind blocker, it can be returned to factory if the car is ever sold.
@3rdMillennium11 ай бұрын
If the Miata had the factory sound windblocker setup, then there's no need to put on a plug at all - just screw in the M200s and you're done. But this video was about a retrofit - putting the windblocker with speakers into a Miata that never had one - so you need some sort of connector to get to the radio harness. And as to making some sort of jumper as opposed to cutting off the old connector, I suppose you could use some wire taps from the speaker leads to a short pigtail and then put on a plug (making sure to unplug from the old amp, if present), but it seems easier to me to just put on a new 4-pin plug at the old plug location. But either way would work - do what seems easiest to you and will give you a good, clean connection.
@SteamPunkSanta11 ай бұрын
any plans to make a video showing installing the airhorn kit into Miatas 2016-2023?
@3rdMillennium11 ай бұрын
While the printed instructions (with pictures) included with the horn kit include the 4th gen Miata, we will make a video when we get a customer loaner car for a day or two when we're recording.
@SteamPunkSanta11 ай бұрын
If you lived in Tennessee I'd volunteer mine! :)
@kennethb.correnti827611 ай бұрын
KILLER-DILLER! Thanks for sharing this! I've got 2 horns I want to ADD to the one there. I think a 20 amp fuse should be OK.
@3rdMillennium11 ай бұрын
To run this Marco horn with some additional horns, I think you'll find that you will need to install a separate relay and fuse. The current Miata relay is 20 amps and the Marco horn by itself is probably drawing around 15? If you order from us include a note and we'll be glad to send you a relay and socket for that extra wiring.
@pauliusguzas8063 Жыл бұрын
I am pretty sure you are mistaken on polarity on nb, my nb has green as negative and green/yellow as positive. Stock speakers have polarity on them and that is visible clearly
@3rdMillennium Жыл бұрын
Just checked the shop manual and I think you are correct and that's a typo. Thanks for letting us know - we'll get it corrected in the video.
@shubhambhakta4989 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!! I love y’all company!! Excellent support and vibes!
@LuisRidesABike Жыл бұрын
Worth mentioning some first gen have tweeters as well. My 1995 has them. Thanks for the info as I’m sure this applies the same.
@3rdMillennium Жыл бұрын
Yes, the Limited/Special/M-Edition 1st gen Miata's had an upgraded Pioneer speaker system with a tweeter mounted up high in the door cards. We go over that specific setup in another of our videos: kzread.info/dash/bejne/jKmI0bCPqNGeYpc.html
@JK-oi8ul Жыл бұрын
What year miata is the special edition seat with the round speakers from?
@3rdMillennium Жыл бұрын
That seat was from a 1995
@JK-oi8ul Жыл бұрын
What year mx5 does the round speakers come in? What year is the seat from in your video?
@3rdMillennium Жыл бұрын
This particular seat was from a 1995. The advanced speaker package with the round HR speakers came as an option in 93 - 97 models.
@panluki Жыл бұрын
How much does a speker + adapter actually weight? (esp. compared to stock Bose speakers)
@3rdMillennium Жыл бұрын
The stock Bose speaker weighs 1 lb 11 oz. The M800s with the AD1 adapter weigh 1 lb 7 oz
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Hi, How do I retrofit? I bought v spec door cards and plan to instsll it on my standard edition. How and where do I plug it into?
If you were retrofitting the SE/LE door cards onto standard Miata doors, the woofer connection is the same. If you wanted to run those tweeters for some reason, just connect them in parallel to the wires feeding the woofers.
@@3rdMillennium sure, but does my car have these extra cables? I only have 1 speaker in the door. I am a newbie when it comes to audio - do I just remove the tweeter plug and connect the cables to the other speaker that is present?
@@Bananywkoszyku As you are doing a retrofit into a Miata that didn't have that special audio setup, there won't be any factory door harness leads running up to that tweeter. So you'll have to make up that wire harness.
Do you have an explainer on the 4th generation ND Miata Bose system? I have a 2017 and the audio quality from the speakers is so poor. A lot of the midrange detail is completely lost and the bass has no detail either. I'm spoiled by my single SONOS Five speaker at home which sounds way better than the entire Bose system in the car. I tweaked the EQ in the car but it only does so much. I heard that you can't simply put new door speakers in as it won't make much difference.
Hello Dave. We don't have a video done yet for the ND, but our M800 door speakers with our AD2 installation kit are a drop-in replacement for either the Bose or stock speakers in the ND. When installed, we recommend disconnecting the tweeter in the door columns as the M800s are already a 2-way design with a far superior tweeter. If you have one of the models with headrest speakers, we don't have a replacement for those (you have to pretty much remove all the seat upholstery to get at them and the average owner won't be comfortable doing that), so we suggest balancing the system so that our M800s handle 95% of the music and the HR speakers are *just* audible to help with wind/road noise. There's more info on our regular website at 3maudio.com
So I am a little confused we have a 2009 with Bose system and the drivers door speaker is blown so what speakers should I replace them with?
Our M800's are a perfect physical fit in the 2009-2015 Miata doors with stock Bose speakers, but operation of *any* standard speaker will not be correct with the stock Bose amp as Mazda/Bose built the speaker system crossovers into the amp itself so that the door woofer and tweeter are fed frequency-limited signals. This means your only real option for replacing a failed Bose speaker is another Bose speaker. I believe they are still available new through Mazda, but the price is comically expensive - close to $400, I think. The cost, and underwhelming performance is why so many owners have pulled out all the Bose stuff and installed a modern head unit and speakers. If you just want to get your current Bose system going at the least cost, look for a used woofer on eBay. As long as the seller guarantees it to work, it shouldn't be more than $40 to get a replacement.
Thank you for your advice. I probably will just rip out the bows. Get a new head unit and speakers.
Hello. Can you just confirm for me that I should remove the wind blocker amp if I'm using your m200 speaker. I have a 2004 mazdaspeed model with the original premium Bose (😢) system. Many thanks
If you still have the stock Bose radio setup that came in the 04 & 05 Mazdaspeed, you can leave and use the amp in the windblocker.
What size baffles did you use. My car door leaks a little and i am going to change my speakers in my car. I want to make sure i get the right size baffle to use as a rain guard. I drive a 1991 miata
We use the VXT65 baffles for the M800s. They are available on our website if you need a set. 3maudio.com/misc.html
This video needs a redo. I really needs to show how the AD-1 adaptor fits together. The words here are unclear. It also needs to show the completed assembly going into the door. It's not clear how this "is the gasket".
Thanks for taking the time to comment. We do go over the AD1 adapter in a couple other videos where we are installing the M800s speakers, so check those out. And the assembly sequence is: speaker - XTC baffle - AD1 (if being used in your install - the AD1 is not used for 90-97 models) We will work on the idea of an expanded video showing more options and actual fitting into a couple door models.
Hi Glen, wish I had seen your video a few years ago before I replaced the bose head with an ATOTO that keeps the bose amp in my 2009 GT. Can I increase power to the replacement 8 inch door mid-range 2 ohm speakers using the atoto equalizer and increasing (or decreasing filtering) the response to the lower freqs? Thanks, great info! Mark
The crossovers for the 09-15 Bose systems are built into the amps and each speaker is fed frequency-limited signals., so unfortunately there's nothing to be done at the headunit to change what frequencies go to which speakers. So you can boost frequencies that are already fed to each speaker, but you can't alter the range at all. I believe the woofers in the doors roll off to the little fullrange around 600 Hz or so.
What’s a reasonable price for one of these nowadays?
Because of the scarcity of supply, recent customers (6/24) have told us they are paying around $200 for a speaker-ready NB windblocker.
I have a non bose 2012 mazda miata do i keep the tweeter disconnected? Or reconnect the tweeter with the m800 speakers?
Leave the stock tweeter disconnected. The M800s are a 2-way speaker with a built-in tweeter which is a much better quality driver than that stock little speaker
Thank you so much❤❤❤
You are very welcome!
Hello Sir, I bought a Chinese Carplay Android for my Mazda MX-5 NC, when the sound is high I had a lot of noise. I spook with them, they send me an Amplifier, it resolve the noise but at high volume (30 on screen) the door speakers shut down so I have to restart the car and lower the volume so I can get them back! Is it a power problem ? many thanks.
It is likely something related to the impedance load the radio's amp is seeing. When the audio cuts out entirely it is usually the radio's amp going into protection mode. It will do this to avoid damage to the amp circuitry. Protection mode can be triggered by too low an impedance (which can happen with multiple 4-ohm speakers connected in parallel), a short (or near-short) to ground in one of the speaker leads, or some internal problem with the amp in the radio. Make sure your total speaker connection for each channel is no less than 3-4 ohms and also verify that with the speaker leads disconnected at the radio that there isn't less than a 3-4 ohm impedance measured from any speaker lead to the vehicle ground.
@@3rdMillennium Thank you Sir, my car still has the 4 OEM ones, just to clarify things, the ones which shuts down are only the door speakers, yes I need to buy a DMM to check the SC. Also, my battery is dead I am waiting for new to come so my be can not supply enough current but I am more with you explanation and need to measure the impedance. If there is no SC, do you think I can add an inductor to increase the load at the X frequency!!!
@@naimisddiken9606 Low system voltage will definitely create a problem, so follow up on the battery and also verify that the alternator is producing as it should be. In the meantime, try disconnecting the OEM door tweeters if you still have them connected. They aren't very good quality anyway and the M800s are already a 2-way design with superior tweeters. Dropping those out of the circuit will raise the door impendence and that should then help with the load presented to the amp.
@@naimisddiken9606 There are a couple fuses to check associated with the radio. In the passenger compartment next to driver's left leg, check #1 and #10. And regarding testing, impedance will not vary with volume. Using your meter, check each speaker wire (removed from speaker) to the vehicle ground. You should *not* show a low impedance short to ground on any lead.
So we’re not worried about an electrical fire then
Everything is properly fused and protected, so no worries
Bought a '92 Mustang and also recently purchased a obd1 scanner to read the codes. The connectors are corroded and they, I guess won't let the scanner get any signal. Just ordered some glass test tubes(got a feeling I'll be having to do this to alot of rhe ends) but just want to thank you for showing this safe and simple means to remove corrosion and such from terminals. Now just waiting on my test tubes to arrive. Thank You Sir!
Glad it helped
If you just pull the fuse, would that have negated the need to disconnect the battery?
If you were absolutely sure you were pulling the right fuse, then yes. But if you disconnect the battery you don't have to worry about potentially making a mistake with fuses.
@@3rdMillennium Your video already shows clearly which fuse to pull... 😄
@@dennislau2227 at the end...
Just bought a used 2010 NC. It already has an aftermarket JVC head unit/amplifier, and the last owner also had new 8" door speakers installed, but the system overall sounds like crap, mainly because of how bright/peaky it sounds at moderate to high volume. Your mentioning of the factory tweeter being peaky/bright is exactly what I experience which is great to know. Now i just need to remove my door panels and see if the 8" speakers are one way or two-way and just disconnect the factor tweeter and potential replace the 8" speakers with a two-way, if the current ones are one way...will order yours if that's the case. You've given me hope :) . Great coverage of the topic, thank you.
Glad it helped. You may find the peakiness you're hearing is coming from whatever got installed by the PO (almost certainly a 2 or 3-way - hard to buy anything else at this point). If that's the case your only real option will be to replace them.
@@3rdMillennium Thanks...just ordered my M800's. I'm in MA. Nice that you guys are local. Also...do you have any recommendation for a 3.5" speaker that would fit the center dash that is better than just disconnecting the factory(which are so harsh)...which I've done. The car was already retrofitted with a JVC KW-V230BT head unit, but I don't think the installer had any idea how bad the factory tweeters are and they just installed 8" woofers in the doors with the factory tweeters. M800's will solve that. Can't wait.
@@rocko107me8 We tell people to just leave the center dash alone or just disconnect it. It is really only useful for handsfree phone calls or a pure mono signal, so for music you want to focus on the L/R door speakers. And I know what you mean about harsh sound of those tweeters. The stock sound system in the NC uses a real soft dome tweeter (which isn't great but it's not terrible), but the 5x7 driver that's doing 80% of the audio is a nasty full-range driver with a huge midrange peak. And then the NC Bose systems cross over from their woofer at around 400 Hz, so 95% of the audio is coming from the little 2.5" paper fullrange in the doors -- super peaky and not very nice to listen to.
Where is the nd video?
We don't have a ND video made yet. But the included printed instructions with the ND horn have quite a few pictures that should help out.
Stellar instructions!
A great how-to video with no distracting music! Yes! I’m about to buy this horn, and I’ll show the mechanic this video!
Will these be compatible with the Sony XAV-AX500 head unit? Thanks
Sure. The M800s are 100% compatible with any modern head unit or amp.
Yes, 100% compatible
I have a 2009 with Bose. Do you know what frequency range the 8cm door speakers are being fed? I'd like to upgrade them for some cleaner mid-range but if they're just used as tweeters (like the ones between the seats) It's probably not worth it.
You won't get any midrange if you upgrade the bass drivers. I don't recall the exact crossover frequency but it's well under 1,000 Hz - I seem to recall it around 700Hz? If you look at those OEM Bose bass drivers you'll see why. They are a heavy, paper cone and would be terrible at reproducing midrange frequencies. So the small door fullrange speakers are reproducing 90% of all the sound. It's just a poor design - this is why so many owners elect to just rip out all the Bose equipment and start over with a nice headunit, amp, and some good door speakers.
Thanks, good to know 👍
thank you for this explanation
You are very welcome - glad you found the video helpful.
I bypass my amplifier in the wind bar, how to reconnect the new speaker to the harness??? thank you
If you're asking about how to connect a retrofit windblocker to the stereo system, we suggest running wiring for the speakers up along the center tunnel to the stereo headunit. You'll want to attach to the HU's REAR speaker outputs and that will let you balance sounds between the doors and windblocker. Set it so you can *just* hear the WB speakers.
In which cars are the subwoofer used and where are they located?
A subwoofer was an available option in the 2006-2015 and also the 2016+. It was a custom molded enclosure that mounted in the passenger footwell.
My question is I have the Bose system with the amplifier do I have to disconnect the amplifier with the new speaker or it can be plug-in like the regular system
If your Bose amp is working OK, then the M200s are a simple plug-in.
Great detailed video! Thank you SO MUCH! I'm about to replace both of the woofers in my 2006 MX-5 GT. I'm just wondering... What happens if you do keep the tweeter plugged in, does it conflict with the two way woofer? Also, is the 600 a better speaker than the 800? Thank you again for a super informative video and for your time. It's greatly appreciated! 😊
If you kept the stock tweeter plugged in, you'd have too much high-end in the system and it would be overly bright. It would also degrade the stereo imaging in the system. The tweeter built into the M800 is a superior performer with a nice smooth, extended response. And the M600 (discontinued) was a budget-option speaker for the Miata which we offered for several years.
@@3rdMillenniumahh ok! Thank you kindly for the information and schooling! 😊 Great video by the way! 👍
thank you glen.
Why we need to disconnect the mini amp of bose? It will not give more power to the new m200 speakers?
You'd only need to disconnect the built-in amp if you're doing a retrofit into an 1999-2005 that didn't come with a Bose system. But if your Miata came with the full Bose system and that amp is working OK, sure - leave it and the M200s will be glad to have the extra power.
Really professionally explained, thank you
I installed ours today. It was a bit of a pain in the butt to get my arm into the space. But, pretty straight forward otherwise. And, the horn is exponentially better than Mazda's "meep meep" horn. THANKS for a great product and good install notes.
Glad you got it installed OK. And yes, it's a pain especially if you have large arms. Enjoy your Miata!
Bose used to make great speakers. But, this system (2007 Miata) is poor. Really bad actually, as far as sound and controls goes. Very mid-rangy. Terrible sound. EDIT: I've been using the system now for 5 months and it's actually pretty good I have an ipod feed direct and it really sounds good. it's odd that I'm figuring this stuff out now but it's true. I just set the bass boosted one and trebble up plus 6, and it sounds pretty good that way. I love the steering wheel controls too!
Agree 100%. Peaky midrange and no upper/lower end. You've probably heard the saying - "No highs, no lows, must be Bose". Their pro audio stuff (PA/Live Music) is still quite good.
So, I'm trying to understand which component needs replacing the most? Is the head unit adequate? I'm thinking the speakers probably need it. But, then if I replace the speakers, the impedance change will almost certainly require a different amp. I think I'd be content just upgrading the door speakers. I've seen some good upgrade videos (five star car stereo). Any idea which component sucks the worst? @@3rdMillennium
The weakest parts of the system are definitely the speakers. The HU and amps are nothing special but once you pull the speakers, you'll see how cheap they are and why they sound the way they do. So I'd suggest dealing with the door speakers first, listening for a few weeks, and then deciding if you want to go further. And impedance isn't really the problem in the system. Using a normal 4-ohm speaker the max power output of the amp will be less, but there's still quite a bit there. Our M800s will drop into place without issue in the NCs. Check out the video we have of an installation in our 2012 for some more info kzread.info/dash/bejne/l3miu7Z7etq7qKg.htmlsi=8_ox4xzpQbfluDTx
Those are 6" speakers, right? Will an 8" fit?@@3rdMillennium
165mm or about 6" - the AD1 Kit included with the NB bundle allows an exact fit into the stock opening (Bose or non-Bose)@@mateocarlos2674
Just finished the install on my NB2. Thank you for the video. It made life easier. However, I wish the horn sound direction coming out of the pipes will be facing forward, not backwards towards the radiator.
TAKE my money, ordering speakers now from 3rd M
do these speakers sound a lot better than the stock ones?
Ultimately, you'd have to be the judge (which is one of the reasons they are sold with a 30-day money back guarantee so you can check them out in your own Miata). But thousands of Miata owners who have purchased the M5's over the years would tell you 'absolutely'. You can read some customer reviews at the bottom of the Millennium-5 product page 3maudio.com/M5.html
By far the most clear explanation and the most simple process. I've actually watched several videos in which the owner insists on removing the entire front bumper.
Just bought one. Top notch quality. So easy to install and operate.
Thank you. I'm going to order one with a battery disconnect. I tried this with a different horn replacement and I had to re-install my meek little squeak of a horn.
Thank you. Very thorough.
I know this is an old one but maybe some can answer this….if Mazda Has those speakers crossed over how do they accomplish this in the non-Bose system? Is it via a capacitor? Can that be removed? (Cut it out and splice new wire in) If not… heck you’ve already got the car basically taken apart so why not run new speaker wire from the head unit or amp? (assuming you went aftermarket on one or both)
Yes, there's a crossover cap on those rear speakers. And while they could produce lower frequencies below the crossover point (probably good to around 600Hz), there is no baffling for these speakers to separate the L&R drivers, so you'll start getting weird cross channel cancellation and nodal effects. Mazda (and many auto mfgs) does this all the time. It makes the installation much easier and less complex (costs them less), but it still allows them to upsell the audio system as a 6, 8, 10+ speaker system - even if it sounds lousy. The ideal solution is to baffle the speakers - completely isolating the left from the right by building them into some sort of enclosure.
In my case, my NC1 did not come with rear speaker assembly, and when I replaced the OEM non-Bose, I found the rear speakers assembly on EBAY. I soldered new wiring to each speaker, deleting the OEM connectors, and ran the wiring underneath the center console to the replacement head unit. They don't do much but as mentioned, they add a little high freq response that is lost to the wind. These cars are just not designed for high fidelity sound.
Hi, where do the wires from the radio go to these speakers? I would love to install them, but I don't know how to connect them.
Mazda's that came with windblocker audio (2004 and 2005) have a plug that comes up from the carpet just below the middle of the windblocker and you would connect/disconnect to the windblocker there. If you are retrofitting one of these '04 or '05 windblockers into a 2nd gen Miata that *didn't* come wired for windblocker sound, then you will need to run leads from your radio's rear speaker channels (left and right) back to the windblocker. We suggest it's easiest to do this up under the center console and carpet and then up to the center of the windblocker. Then you'll want to install a 4-pin plug so that you can remove the windblocker in the future, as needed. We actually have another related video that talks about this a bit and shows how to install a 4-pin connector to make the connection to your radio. kzread.info/dash/bejne/rGuJvNKKY6TJcaw.htmlsi=-bc_c2zD-BG9ZUv8
I'm an electronics engineer by education, so I can handle it, but I didn't know where to run the wire. Now I know! Thank you very much for your help and I appreciate that you have been willing to help people for so many years@@3rdMillennium
do you think that with a custom 4x50w radio, connect the speakers in parallel or in series? I slightly misunderstood what you mean with rear speakers channels. (it's about whether to do it in series or parallel) my knowledge of audio is unfortunately low. Thanks for your help again@@3rdMillennium
If the radio is '4x50', that means you have 4 channels in the amp - two for the front and two for the rear. You'll want to connect the doors to the front and the windblocker to the rear. Then use your fader to balance the system so the doors are primary and you can *just* hear the rears.
Why would you cut the factory wiring as opposed to making a plug the just jumps the wiring? That would be SO much easier. Plus, if this is done with a factory wind blocker, it can be returned to factory if the car is ever sold.
If the Miata had the factory sound windblocker setup, then there's no need to put on a plug at all - just screw in the M200s and you're done. But this video was about a retrofit - putting the windblocker with speakers into a Miata that never had one - so you need some sort of connector to get to the radio harness. And as to making some sort of jumper as opposed to cutting off the old connector, I suppose you could use some wire taps from the speaker leads to a short pigtail and then put on a plug (making sure to unplug from the old amp, if present), but it seems easier to me to just put on a new 4-pin plug at the old plug location. But either way would work - do what seems easiest to you and will give you a good, clean connection.
any plans to make a video showing installing the airhorn kit into Miatas 2016-2023?
While the printed instructions (with pictures) included with the horn kit include the 4th gen Miata, we will make a video when we get a customer loaner car for a day or two when we're recording.
If you lived in Tennessee I'd volunteer mine! :)
KILLER-DILLER! Thanks for sharing this! I've got 2 horns I want to ADD to the one there. I think a 20 amp fuse should be OK.
To run this Marco horn with some additional horns, I think you'll find that you will need to install a separate relay and fuse. The current Miata relay is 20 amps and the Marco horn by itself is probably drawing around 15? If you order from us include a note and we'll be glad to send you a relay and socket for that extra wiring.
I am pretty sure you are mistaken on polarity on nb, my nb has green as negative and green/yellow as positive. Stock speakers have polarity on them and that is visible clearly
Just checked the shop manual and I think you are correct and that's a typo. Thanks for letting us know - we'll get it corrected in the video.
Thank you!!! I love y’all company!! Excellent support and vibes!
Worth mentioning some first gen have tweeters as well. My 1995 has them. Thanks for the info as I’m sure this applies the same.
Yes, the Limited/Special/M-Edition 1st gen Miata's had an upgraded Pioneer speaker system with a tweeter mounted up high in the door cards. We go over that specific setup in another of our videos: kzread.info/dash/bejne/jKmI0bCPqNGeYpc.html
What year miata is the special edition seat with the round speakers from?
That seat was from a 1995
What year mx5 does the round speakers come in? What year is the seat from in your video?
This particular seat was from a 1995. The advanced speaker package with the round HR speakers came as an option in 93 - 97 models.
How much does a speker + adapter actually weight? (esp. compared to stock Bose speakers)
The stock Bose speaker weighs 1 lb 11 oz. The M800s with the AD1 adapter weigh 1 lb 7 oz