To be clear, they're about to change how SOME PEOPLE play D&D. They will not change the way I (how do put that in bold or increase font size for emphasis )play D&D. Except perhaps for cementing that I'm not playing any future versions of it. But then it's not changing the way I play it, unless not playing it counts as playing it. I've been playing 2nd edition for decades, and I'll continue to. For 5th, I have a stack of books now, I don't need any more, and in fact I'd like less. I may replace my stacks of 5th edition books with Tales of the Valiant. I have tiles and mats and tokens and minis, but we've been playing theater for the mind for decades. Everyone I and my friends and my kids usher into the hobby will also likely see that as normal. So the tradition will likely live, as it does at millions of tables. Also, microtransactions. Also, play a bunch of games. Also, will never be playing an rpg which has a subscription. I'm poor. If I wasn't, I have aging cars, aging house, aging me, kids with medical needs who are almost college/trade school age... I'll spring a couple hundred bucks for core books and then we're done, and I'll complain about the price in proportion to how closely the actual price gets to that $200 benchmark.
@rustyxof56 минут бұрын
OSR proved that maps are clutter and unnecessary for most ttrpg games. VTT & DnD is the death of their company not the game.
@lucasbeemen82Сағат бұрын
Don’t care this is useless
@kingmasterlordСағат бұрын
no they aren't, they have literally zero say in what i do.
@garethnapier22535 сағат бұрын
Con: If everyone is paying more attention to a map with a clear emphasis on combat, is it a role-playing game anymore, or a battle game with a bit of roleplay?
@kopciuszek456 сағат бұрын
Well, I think it might be cool, but the whole point of TTRPG for me is the experience without technology - where we leave our phones and pick them up only when it's needed, for example when you need to look up a spell or ability. When everyone is in their laptops, I think that the magic in playing TTRPG is kind of lost
@bobhill-ol7wp7 сағат бұрын
Stop supporting 5e, embrace Forbidden Lands
@michaelmarothy-pavarini1589 сағат бұрын
Yeah....TheDnDbeyond requirement is a no-go for me. No third party or homebrew content really ruins any reason I'd play the VTT. I'd say I'd rather just stick to Foundry, but I'm half worried they're going to end up shutting it down to shovel people into playing the 3d VTT. We'll see.
@mdem50599 сағат бұрын
Sub cost and microtransations? I'm out.
@yup44779 сағат бұрын
If they wanna have micro transactions then they should be STLs you can print as well. I would use this for the minor stuff during a game (suprise encounters the outside of a dungeon or abandon town) and then set up a table For the major stuff and use them in tandem .
@LaughingAndy10 сағат бұрын
Will I use it? No never. I don’t use dnd beyond, for the simple reason that I don’t want a multi billion dollar company to know what I play, when I play or where I play.
@only2megabytes13910 сағат бұрын
I wanna add something onto the part about asking questions for details. It's fine to mention details like cobwebs in the corner of a room if you wanna add some flavor, but use it to enhance whatever adjective's you are giving. Saying "there are cobwebs" sounds a lot more suspicious and like a spider-based encounter is going to happen than. "The house is filthy with cobwebs spun in corners." Things are suspicious when they are out of place or don't make sense, so give reasons for your mundane descriptions unless you want players to interrogate a man in his house about his web related activities.
@kjeason650810 сағат бұрын
I started learning dnd a year ago and when I started DMing, maps and terrain were expensive. So I went digital. I’ve since played physical games and stuff but for myself, I still do digital maps. So I’m excited for a vtt on the website I already use to track everything.
@jasonhawkins688810 сағат бұрын
Uninterested in this worse version of BG3.
@magelego323110 сағат бұрын
I'd be ok with a one-time purchase game and microtransactions, but monthly subscription AND microtransactions are already too much.. we'll find out in the next few weeks anyway
@Pistonrager11 сағат бұрын
Come on man... there are tons of VTTs out the this isn't no competition as a pro, this is attempted monopoly as a con. Two subscriptions and microtransactions to play, plus book at 90$ a pop? Con. Also, all digital, you own nothing and they can take it all away instantly if they want to, HUGE CON.
@hawkname123411 сағат бұрын
Let me stop and comment after the first sentence which just SCREAMS WITH DISHONESTY. "WotC is hoping to change how YOU play D&D forever." That is some Grade A TTRPG KZreadr outrage bait. Like the lies that people fabricated during the OGL bullshit. I unfollowed the people who did that (because I have self respect). I hope you are not going to follow in their path and MAKE SHIT UP and tell people to be OUTRAGED about it. For clicks and money. To be clear WotC is NEVER going to force anybody to stop playing the way Gary Gygax played, with pencils, paper and dice. And you pretending you can read minds and telling everybody they have an evil plan to force their new product on them is DISHONEST. I'm sure most TTRPG fans will suck up these lies, because they seem to love being lied to and demonstrating how we all hate <agreed upon outgroup>.
@trublgrl12 сағат бұрын
I'm a little older and I find I don't really like RPG computer games much any more. I like TTRPG with friends in meatspace, and I like Online RPG's with a simple map and tokens kind of battlefield. I would like a simple, 3d-ified map system, but I am not interested in a system that makes my rolls, tracks damage, animates deaths, and looks like a video game. If it's all on the screen and not in my mind, the whole things seems like it's a videogame.
@Gwagz12 сағат бұрын
i want the same game as bg3, but with a dm toolkit like the aurora toolset for nwn:ee
@darthyubnub381313 сағат бұрын
The but looks good and probably works good but there making it for the wrong reasons instead of trying to make it more fun to play this there trying to empty your wallets
@philh825914 сағат бұрын
F SiGil it is SiJil.
@philh825914 сағат бұрын
To hell with it... Micro transaction 'this' WoTC!
@rydakule14 сағат бұрын
Thanks to Old School Essentials absolutely nothing affects how I play D&D ever
@TriFekt14 сағат бұрын
If it works better than current VTTs then I'm on board. Fantasy Grounds and Roll20 are terribad.
@moniXluv14 сағат бұрын
Not just new players want this my guy. My crowd has been playing since 88 and we can't wait. Its good for the game.
@punkdigerati15 сағат бұрын
One DnD was the official name, they released all sorts of things with that branding, things changed rapidly after the OGL debacle.
@SomoneTookMyName15 сағат бұрын
This is what D&D looks like when it has lost its soul.
@thedakotalogs15 сағат бұрын
Still using 3.5 my guy. They aren't changing shit.
@jem5x54116 сағат бұрын
I’ll certainly check it out - key points will be hardware requirements (not everyone in my group has a PC with a gaming quality video card), and cost - if all players need a subscription thats going to be a no-no. Million dollar questions will be a) will the 2D maps continue to be supported, b) is this going to be 5.5 rules/characters only, and c) will maps for published campaigns (which include 2D maps if bought digitally) be made available?
@chongwillson97217 сағат бұрын
another pro is that it will allow people to play as more never playable races in dnd games like kobolds! it been 2 decades and Half, and I haven't found a single dnd game where i can roleplay as a kobold.
@ZeKiwiOfTheNorth13 сағат бұрын
... Why haven't you been able to play as a Kobold? And why would a VTT make a difference? There have always been kobold PCs in games I've run.
@chongwillson97213 сағат бұрын
@@ZeKiwiOfTheNorth in a more 3d sense, I guess.
@jasonhawkins688810 сағат бұрын
Pssst, the kobold was inside you the whole time... you never needed permission, just imagination.
@VanBurenPhilips5 сағат бұрын
Yeah, I don't understand this either... got a kobold buddy in a 5e game we play in Foundry :s What ya mean, chong? You talking about PC/videogames?
@LoveProWrestling17 сағат бұрын
And how long does it take to make these fancy pants encounter areas? If that was something like Fallout 4 you are talking an hour or more to line everything up and decorate it real nice, looking through menus and adding barrels and candles.
@chongwillson97217 сағат бұрын
@LoveProWrestling if i had to guest it might have an auto decorate function.
@BigDaddyWes18 сағат бұрын
If this is a subscription based product with microtransactions, I'll never buy another first party dnd product ever again.
@Pistonrager10 сағат бұрын
Good news.
@BigDaddyWes18 сағат бұрын
They are not changing anything about how I play D&D. They don't have any say at all in how I play D&D.
@JohnKusters18 сағат бұрын
I’m still waiting to see if Wizards will license the system to other VTTs. Will the Wizards VTT be the only place where one can play with the 2024 rules? We’ll know more when we see the license the 2024 books are published under.
@Gamerdudegames12 сағат бұрын
I remember seeing somewhere that the 2024 PHB content is going to available on almost all third party VTTs, including Roll20, Fantasy Grounds, and Foundry.
@dezlock11 сағат бұрын
They are already licensed. The 2024 DMG, MM, and PHB are on Roll20 and Fantasy Grounds for preorder.
@undead_mole680919 сағат бұрын
I want to use my imagination, not play a videogame
@DaVeO5219 сағат бұрын
Nah. Ill use Talespire if i want 3D. I trust WotC as far as I can throw a digital firwball.
@wilmartinez120 сағат бұрын
No they're going to change how much more your going to pay a month.
@billstephens39620 сағат бұрын
My reminder, at the beginning of play, was "Previously..." Said "Lost" style...
@piptarou21 сағат бұрын
Mmmm, yes. A subscription VTT that I can use with a single TTRPG.
@andynonimuss629823 сағат бұрын
The only thing WotC is changing for me, is on what I spend my money on going forward. For the online D&D VTT you'll need a high-end graphic card. You'll need to buy a 4090 for $1,800... oh and you'll need every player to also have an $1,800 gpu as well. The WotC long-term plan is to offer physical books initially and advertise the VTT as optional... and then in a few years they will no longer offer physical books and everything digital will be required to play. WotC is simply walking everyone down a marketing funnel. Menyr by Nog Studio is already a far better 3D VTT than D&D's version.
@bretttobiasson9584Күн бұрын
I’m nervous about this VTT being monthly & what’s behind micro transactions. So I felt comfortable buying a different VTT: TaleSpire. It’s 25% off u til July 11th. Some pros: mod and community built terrain/buildings can now be accessed in the game itself. Easy interface. Dev actively working in it (even though small # of them). Really, just g watch some trailers. Some cons: the biggest one is you have to buy “seats” for players to join. These are also on discount right now. But once you buy the seats anybody can “sit” in it and use the free downloabke version of the game to sit and play in it. They even said that you can give this Guest Version player permission to build. Check out their FAQ. Last Con is their still working on Fog of War… it’s in Alpha, so there’s some things they’re still working out. But to me this is really polished and worth the ~$19 to try it out. Idk, figured I’d say something. I don’t a lot. This seemed to apply to a bunch of you and figured I’d throw this out there.
@wogboym8Күн бұрын
The microtransactions and Fortnite style store will kill this I think.
@therealncast11 сағат бұрын
Not that I'm a fan of either, but your own example works against the idea you present - microtransactions and Fortnite-style stores are both alive and well. In fact, they're so popular that we can't stop hearing about both. I don't think either will kill the VTT, but how those elements are implemented will determine how tolerable it is for each person, in turn dictating how many people actually decide to switch from Foundry, Roll20 and others.
@TheDimonTubeКүн бұрын
They are gonna milk the hell out of it so I will avoid it as much as I can as a DM. I personally enjoy making my own things on Blender and play on Tabletop Simulator.
@avengingblowfish9653Күн бұрын
I’m surprise that my biggest con didn’t even make your list. My biggest con is that it seems very difficult to quickly sketch out a new map or make changes to the existing one. When I use 2D maps, if the players go off map or somewhere I don’t have a map prepared for, I can usually just throw up a blank map and use the drawing tools to add in the relevant features. How long does it take to do that with a 3D VTT? Same thing if players alter the terrain or destroy a wall, it’s pretty easy to mark up a 2D map with those changes. I’m not sure how easily it can be done in 3D…
@phloogКүн бұрын
Seems like a lot of these demos feature folks with Alienware laptops…can’t wait to see how this runs on “real” computers
@huntergillezeauaws6570Күн бұрын
Ugh. I hate it when I get new options. I hate options.
@Doomsword0Күн бұрын
This is a very cool idea, but (!) much like in video games, microtransactions are a very bad things. They are very bad things in free games and even more inexcusable in paid games like this where as you said it seems to be a monthly subscription
@VerbenaComfreyКүн бұрын
My favorite, on an abysmal Perception check: in a very cheerful voice: EV-erything is SUPER!
@ItsMrFreshКүн бұрын
I do like prepping, but I don't enjoy that I literally can't spend less than 10 hours planning it over the course of the 2 weeks between sessions 😭 My prep style isn't just "what works for me" it's a crippling lack of skill and speed! I WISH I could formulate and write down enough ideas to make a good session in under 4 hours
@BanjoSickКүн бұрын
Smaug is the best red dragon out there, smart, evil, magical and vain. Just play them like that and you are golden.
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To be clear, they're about to change how SOME PEOPLE play D&D. They will not change the way I (how do put that in bold or increase font size for emphasis )play D&D. Except perhaps for cementing that I'm not playing any future versions of it. But then it's not changing the way I play it, unless not playing it counts as playing it. I've been playing 2nd edition for decades, and I'll continue to. For 5th, I have a stack of books now, I don't need any more, and in fact I'd like less. I may replace my stacks of 5th edition books with Tales of the Valiant. I have tiles and mats and tokens and minis, but we've been playing theater for the mind for decades. Everyone I and my friends and my kids usher into the hobby will also likely see that as normal. So the tradition will likely live, as it does at millions of tables. Also, microtransactions. Also, play a bunch of games. Also, will never be playing an rpg which has a subscription. I'm poor. If I wasn't, I have aging cars, aging house, aging me, kids with medical needs who are almost college/trade school age... I'll spring a couple hundred bucks for core books and then we're done, and I'll complain about the price in proportion to how closely the actual price gets to that $200 benchmark.
OSR proved that maps are clutter and unnecessary for most ttrpg games. VTT & DnD is the death of their company not the game.
Don’t care this is useless
no they aren't, they have literally zero say in what i do.
Con: If everyone is paying more attention to a map with a clear emphasis on combat, is it a role-playing game anymore, or a battle game with a bit of roleplay?
Well, I think it might be cool, but the whole point of TTRPG for me is the experience without technology - where we leave our phones and pick them up only when it's needed, for example when you need to look up a spell or ability. When everyone is in their laptops, I think that the magic in playing TTRPG is kind of lost
Stop supporting 5e, embrace Forbidden Lands
Yeah....TheDnDbeyond requirement is a no-go for me. No third party or homebrew content really ruins any reason I'd play the VTT. I'd say I'd rather just stick to Foundry, but I'm half worried they're going to end up shutting it down to shovel people into playing the 3d VTT. We'll see.
Sub cost and microtransations? I'm out.
If they wanna have micro transactions then they should be STLs you can print as well. I would use this for the minor stuff during a game (suprise encounters the outside of a dungeon or abandon town) and then set up a table For the major stuff and use them in tandem .
Will I use it? No never. I don’t use dnd beyond, for the simple reason that I don’t want a multi billion dollar company to know what I play, when I play or where I play.
I wanna add something onto the part about asking questions for details. It's fine to mention details like cobwebs in the corner of a room if you wanna add some flavor, but use it to enhance whatever adjective's you are giving. Saying "there are cobwebs" sounds a lot more suspicious and like a spider-based encounter is going to happen than. "The house is filthy with cobwebs spun in corners." Things are suspicious when they are out of place or don't make sense, so give reasons for your mundane descriptions unless you want players to interrogate a man in his house about his web related activities.
I started learning dnd a year ago and when I started DMing, maps and terrain were expensive. So I went digital. I’ve since played physical games and stuff but for myself, I still do digital maps. So I’m excited for a vtt on the website I already use to track everything.
Uninterested in this worse version of BG3.
I'd be ok with a one-time purchase game and microtransactions, but monthly subscription AND microtransactions are already too much.. we'll find out in the next few weeks anyway
Come on man... there are tons of VTTs out the this isn't no competition as a pro, this is attempted monopoly as a con. Two subscriptions and microtransactions to play, plus book at 90$ a pop? Con. Also, all digital, you own nothing and they can take it all away instantly if they want to, HUGE CON.
Let me stop and comment after the first sentence which just SCREAMS WITH DISHONESTY. "WotC is hoping to change how YOU play D&D forever." That is some Grade A TTRPG KZreadr outrage bait. Like the lies that people fabricated during the OGL bullshit. I unfollowed the people who did that (because I have self respect). I hope you are not going to follow in their path and MAKE SHIT UP and tell people to be OUTRAGED about it. For clicks and money. To be clear WotC is NEVER going to force anybody to stop playing the way Gary Gygax played, with pencils, paper and dice. And you pretending you can read minds and telling everybody they have an evil plan to force their new product on them is DISHONEST. I'm sure most TTRPG fans will suck up these lies, because they seem to love being lied to and demonstrating how we all hate <agreed upon outgroup>.
I'm a little older and I find I don't really like RPG computer games much any more. I like TTRPG with friends in meatspace, and I like Online RPG's with a simple map and tokens kind of battlefield. I would like a simple, 3d-ified map system, but I am not interested in a system that makes my rolls, tracks damage, animates deaths, and looks like a video game. If it's all on the screen and not in my mind, the whole things seems like it's a videogame.
i want the same game as bg3, but with a dm toolkit like the aurora toolset for nwn:ee
The but looks good and probably works good but there making it for the wrong reasons instead of trying to make it more fun to play this there trying to empty your wallets
F SiGil it is SiJil.
To hell with it... Micro transaction 'this' WoTC!
Thanks to Old School Essentials absolutely nothing affects how I play D&D ever
If it works better than current VTTs then I'm on board. Fantasy Grounds and Roll20 are terribad.
Not just new players want this my guy. My crowd has been playing since 88 and we can't wait. Its good for the game.
One DnD was the official name, they released all sorts of things with that branding, things changed rapidly after the OGL debacle.
This is what D&D looks like when it has lost its soul.
Still using 3.5 my guy. They aren't changing shit.
I’ll certainly check it out - key points will be hardware requirements (not everyone in my group has a PC with a gaming quality video card), and cost - if all players need a subscription thats going to be a no-no. Million dollar questions will be a) will the 2D maps continue to be supported, b) is this going to be 5.5 rules/characters only, and c) will maps for published campaigns (which include 2D maps if bought digitally) be made available?
another pro is that it will allow people to play as more never playable races in dnd games like kobolds! it been 2 decades and Half, and I haven't found a single dnd game where i can roleplay as a kobold.
... Why haven't you been able to play as a Kobold? And why would a VTT make a difference? There have always been kobold PCs in games I've run.
@@ZeKiwiOfTheNorth in a more 3d sense, I guess.
Pssst, the kobold was inside you the whole time... you never needed permission, just imagination.
Yeah, I don't understand this either... got a kobold buddy in a 5e game we play in Foundry :s What ya mean, chong? You talking about PC/videogames?
And how long does it take to make these fancy pants encounter areas? If that was something like Fallout 4 you are talking an hour or more to line everything up and decorate it real nice, looking through menus and adding barrels and candles.
@LoveProWrestling if i had to guest it might have an auto decorate function.
If this is a subscription based product with microtransactions, I'll never buy another first party dnd product ever again.
Good news.
They are not changing anything about how I play D&D. They don't have any say at all in how I play D&D.
I’m still waiting to see if Wizards will license the system to other VTTs. Will the Wizards VTT be the only place where one can play with the 2024 rules? We’ll know more when we see the license the 2024 books are published under.
I remember seeing somewhere that the 2024 PHB content is going to available on almost all third party VTTs, including Roll20, Fantasy Grounds, and Foundry.
They are already licensed. The 2024 DMG, MM, and PHB are on Roll20 and Fantasy Grounds for preorder.
I want to use my imagination, not play a videogame
Nah. Ill use Talespire if i want 3D. I trust WotC as far as I can throw a digital firwball.
No they're going to change how much more your going to pay a month.
My reminder, at the beginning of play, was "Previously..." Said "Lost" style...
Mmmm, yes. A subscription VTT that I can use with a single TTRPG.
The only thing WotC is changing for me, is on what I spend my money on going forward. For the online D&D VTT you'll need a high-end graphic card. You'll need to buy a 4090 for $1,800... oh and you'll need every player to also have an $1,800 gpu as well. The WotC long-term plan is to offer physical books initially and advertise the VTT as optional... and then in a few years they will no longer offer physical books and everything digital will be required to play. WotC is simply walking everyone down a marketing funnel. Menyr by Nog Studio is already a far better 3D VTT than D&D's version.
I’m nervous about this VTT being monthly & what’s behind micro transactions. So I felt comfortable buying a different VTT: TaleSpire. It’s 25% off u til July 11th. Some pros: mod and community built terrain/buildings can now be accessed in the game itself. Easy interface. Dev actively working in it (even though small # of them). Really, just g watch some trailers. Some cons: the biggest one is you have to buy “seats” for players to join. These are also on discount right now. But once you buy the seats anybody can “sit” in it and use the free downloabke version of the game to sit and play in it. They even said that you can give this Guest Version player permission to build. Check out their FAQ. Last Con is their still working on Fog of War… it’s in Alpha, so there’s some things they’re still working out. But to me this is really polished and worth the ~$19 to try it out. Idk, figured I’d say something. I don’t a lot. This seemed to apply to a bunch of you and figured I’d throw this out there.
The microtransactions and Fortnite style store will kill this I think.
Not that I'm a fan of either, but your own example works against the idea you present - microtransactions and Fortnite-style stores are both alive and well. In fact, they're so popular that we can't stop hearing about both. I don't think either will kill the VTT, but how those elements are implemented will determine how tolerable it is for each person, in turn dictating how many people actually decide to switch from Foundry, Roll20 and others.
They are gonna milk the hell out of it so I will avoid it as much as I can as a DM. I personally enjoy making my own things on Blender and play on Tabletop Simulator.
I’m surprise that my biggest con didn’t even make your list. My biggest con is that it seems very difficult to quickly sketch out a new map or make changes to the existing one. When I use 2D maps, if the players go off map or somewhere I don’t have a map prepared for, I can usually just throw up a blank map and use the drawing tools to add in the relevant features. How long does it take to do that with a 3D VTT? Same thing if players alter the terrain or destroy a wall, it’s pretty easy to mark up a 2D map with those changes. I’m not sure how easily it can be done in 3D…
Seems like a lot of these demos feature folks with Alienware laptops…can’t wait to see how this runs on “real” computers
Ugh. I hate it when I get new options. I hate options.
This is a very cool idea, but (!) much like in video games, microtransactions are a very bad things. They are very bad things in free games and even more inexcusable in paid games like this where as you said it seems to be a monthly subscription
My favorite, on an abysmal Perception check: in a very cheerful voice: EV-erything is SUPER!
I do like prepping, but I don't enjoy that I literally can't spend less than 10 hours planning it over the course of the 2 weeks between sessions 😭 My prep style isn't just "what works for me" it's a crippling lack of skill and speed! I WISH I could formulate and write down enough ideas to make a good session in under 4 hours
Smaug is the best red dragon out there, smart, evil, magical and vain. Just play them like that and you are golden.