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@thehopelesspragmatic6701

28 күн бұрын

Delicious in Dungeon was not the first DnD inspired anime, Record of the Lodoss War, lifted the rules, classes, and races directly from DnD. I recommend researching the connection. Rune Soldier Louie, occurs in the same universe as Lodoss War, and it's hilariously very much a DnD session run off the rails.

the problem with kobolds in dnd is that they're clearly the coolest and make every other race/species worse in comparison because they're not as cool

@rikospostmodernlife

Ай бұрын

_but Kobold, you can't disguise yourself as the kachaw car and praise your own race as a sockpuppet acount, that's unethical_

@mrlaz9011

Ай бұрын

ethics schmetics

@GELTONZ

Ай бұрын

Which is SO WEIRD because I'm old. I remember AD&D where Kobolds were the LAMEST. They were just goblins you could kill by spitting on them. That was it. This video weirdly glosses over the "goblins but crap" era of Kobolds.

@DucksAndCatnip

Ай бұрын

@@GELTONZ why wouldn't it gloss over it? it's not a history of kobolds in dnd

@Dapriestmon8516

Ай бұрын

Yes 100 percent agree

If you ever played the original Baldurs Gate, while Kobolds are slightly lizardy they also bark like dogs... it's wild man.

@ShinGallon

Ай бұрын

YipYap sounds like yipping dogs apparently, so that makes sense. I've always imagined they sound a lot like Gremlins from the movie, myself.

@jamesyoung7400

Ай бұрын

I remember from playing d&D in the 80s they a were described as canine but had small patches of scaly skin, which we always took to mean monstrous skin and patchy fur not lizard like. They were parallels drawn to chihuahua and small yippie dogs with their behavior and stuff in adventures.

@colbyboucher6391

Ай бұрын

Yeah, there was an in-between period.

@averageeughenjoyer6429

Ай бұрын

Lizards are decent at making noise

@amstrad00

Ай бұрын

The OG Baldur's Gate was based on the 2nd Edition of Advanced D&D, so kobolds were still closer to their forms in the original version of the game

Everquest had dog kobolds. That was a late 90s release in the US, so the canine appearance must have taken hold before then.

@AdventuringwithMeech

Ай бұрын

Yeah, my first exposure to kobolds were the super buff dog people in Steamfont Mountains

@katarinadreams6955

Ай бұрын

they kinda look like hyenas

@zerokura

Ай бұрын

Am not sure when it was but I knew them as doggy as well but I don't think I played everquest back in the 90s but I think I seen other fantasy anime& kobold were canine style I think it was much later when I seen lizard types.

@AscendantStoic

Ай бұрын

Yeah, always thought of Kobolds as tribal dog people who fight in large groups and are good at using weapons.

@russellharrell2747

Ай бұрын

Ahem, the 1977 monster manual states they had dog-like heads. The illustrations showed kobolds wearing scale armor. This is the genesis of both the dog-bolds and lizard-olds we see later, with the most ‘dog-like’ being the 2nd edition D&D monstrous compendium ‘bug eyed bulldog’ depiction.

the household kobolds, who help people in the kitchen, are a perfect match for the dog kobold look

@thebraziliandruid-xo2ep

Ай бұрын

That's a really cool idea actually, considerind that according to the german folklore, they are spirits of the nature who can take any form they want, it would be really cool for a fantasy franchise to implement them in this kind of way, where they can choose their own appearence, mine kobolds choose to present themselves in a more human and lizard-like form, house kobolds choose to portray themselves as friendly dog guys, and sea kobolds tend to choose a more frog-like and goofy appearence, to cheer up the sailors and maybe get a laugh or two.

@Keara113

Ай бұрын

They should be good at doing a little tricks, maybe cantrips. They set up towns in dark forest. And they lean to professions like butlers/maids and cooks or occasionally seafarers..🤔😍

@snintendog

Ай бұрын

Traaveling Chefs. They want to Cook and could be a Random event while Traveling. They are Good bois Only wanting to Cook good food. Though they use travelers as guinea pigs for new and sometimes BAD dishes.

@Dr.Mlieko

Ай бұрын

always thought those were the basis for Hobbits (and thus also Halflings), since they were some times also referred to as Hobs

@seelcudoom1

25 күн бұрын

@@thebraziliandruid-xo2ep i had a concept of kobolds originally being spirits like those in myth, and the various races came about because they were bound to different things for different purposes, the lizard kobolds came from dragons using their own blood to conjure servants, the dog kobolds came frame mages in the east seeking to have reliable and helpful allies and thus binding them in the form of a dog, a ships kobold naturally is part of the ship and might appear made of wood or immitating the appearance of the sailers of the ship ect

If I remember correctly, the Germanic roots of the material Cobalt name, come from the fact that silver ore and cobalt ore look very similar, but when cobalt is smelted during processing, the ore releases an extremely toxic gas. This lead to the belief that Kobolds would replace silver ore with this toxic “fake” ore as a kind of malevolent prank on miners, thus they gave it the name Cobalt.

For old games, you don't look at the gameplay footage, you look at the art on the manuals.

@kricku

28 күн бұрын

That's how we know Mega Man is yellow and blue

2:10 "Like Dobby the house elf from Lord of the Rings"... I will not be triggered.... I will not be triggered....

@LookItsBaz

Ай бұрын

i haven't had soda in my nostrils in a LOOONG time but this moment did it. I loved it so much

@VidelxSpopovich

Ай бұрын

Dobby IS from LOTR though… I don’t get it.

@Mage_Chartreux

Ай бұрын

@@VidelxSpopovich No idea what you're thinking of. It's from Earthsea, which a lot of people mistake for LotR.

@aleisternight2970

Ай бұрын

Opened the video, noticed this comment, went to 2:10, closed the video. Watching this would be like watching a zoology video made by someone that believes that atoms are made of candy. Ew.

@nealenthenerd399

Ай бұрын

Clearly he is from Star Trek

Wet Nose: The Kolbold has a bonus to smell perception checks. Colour Blind: Cannot perceive the colours red and green but can perceive way more shades of blue and yellow. (There is a reason they wear bright mismatching clothes!)

@angelalewis3645

Ай бұрын

❤

Ryoko Kui is a confessed gamer and even drew an art piece with her favorite elf characters from a bunch of games like Pathfinder: Kingmaker and Baldur's Gate 3. So it's safe to say she knows the genre from video games, if not TTRPGs.

@Miraihi

Ай бұрын

She redrew portratis of Baldur's Gate 2 characters on her blog too. I personally got an impression that she's a bit of a veteran.

@LeadHerring

29 күн бұрын

I actually heard that before Dungeon Meshi she wasn't a big fantasy gamer at least. I remember bring surprised but it does explain her unique take on the genre

I kind of remember prior to 3e coming out that one of the stated goals with kobolds was to carve out a more defined niche for them. They were effectively replaceable with goblins before that. I also think of of the descriptions was "a small humanoid with a dog like head, two horns, sparce hair, scales, and a rat like tail." So even their description was a little all over.

@brianlinden3042

Ай бұрын

This is probably the most important comment on here, so far. The big lizard kobold change in 3e was deliberate, and was primary source of this change.

@cablefeed3738

Ай бұрын

​@brianlinden3042 To be fair, dog like head rat tail and scales seem pretty lizard like. If you had to describe a lizard without saying reptile or lizard

@gamerbear84

Ай бұрын

D&D has described orcs as having pig-like snouts instead of human-like noses and that's part of why orcs in anime and games from Japan are often pig-men.

@RyugaruSenbi

Ай бұрын

Them being interchangeable with Goblins makes sense considering the words Goblin and Kobold describe basically the same creatures in different languages. Goblins are french and kobolds german.

@nilus2k

Ай бұрын

In 2E Kobolds were the answer to the question “what is weaker then a Goblin”. Something even a first level 2E character(even a wizard) could just stomp around without much risk. Back in the day I had a thief character with an eye patch and my comical back story was I was beaten up by Kobolds of Moon Valley and they “Took my eye!”. It became such a running joke that when the DM drew a map of the campaign world be put the Moon Valley on it and drew a little picture of a bunch of kobolds dancing around a fire with my characters eye.

When I started seeing kobolds in anime I immediately went like, ah, old school dnd and mistranslation that ended up evolving differently

In my game I added a race called "Boldok", who are just the dog type kobolds, and the clever reader may have noticed their name is an anagram of kobold.

@indiana47

Ай бұрын

It also just sounds like bulldog.

@26th_Primarch

Ай бұрын

I'll headcanon that they're respective races are frienemies

@SergioLeonardoCornejo

Ай бұрын

I actually write kobolds in my book as aligned to elements. Earth Kobolds look like rabbit badger hybrids and fire kobolds look reptilian. I'm still thinking of other element's and if they'll be featured at all.

@komiks42

Ай бұрын

Pretty boldok pff you

@russellgarcia5779

Ай бұрын

Do you have the statblocks for the little dudes and could I also maybe incorporate your idea to my dnd game?

Kobolds were always doglike for my gaming groups growing up in the late 80s and 90s. The early books and adventures described them as canine with parallels drawn to chihuahua and small yippie dogs. It did state they had scaly patches of skin but that was taken as a 'monstrous feature' not being reptiles. Even our Ral-Partha miniatures had them favoring canine features.

I started playing D&D back in the day of the original Kobold design. I never really thought much about them until the design finally settled in on the draconic design that we know of now. These days they are a staple in my games as they are just so awesome.

Kobolds go goblin mode harder than goblins do. Love kobolds, every kobold npc a fanatic trap making, tunnel scheming, overconfident little guy.

2:44 Sea Kobolds were known as "Klabautermann", and were benign spirits that are in truth, manifestations of a well-cared and very much loved ship. However there is an omen associated with a Klabautermann's presence, "No Member of the crew blessed by a Klabautermann can set eyes on it". The reason for a Klabautermann manifesting before the _crew_ (not _just_ the captain) being a bad omen is because it means the ship is doomed, and the Klabautermann is trying to warn the crew to evacuate or to never take the ship out there in the first place.

I personally refer to the three major types as dogbolds, ratbolds, and dragonbolds.

As a german, i was very confused on how the kobolds looked in DnD. And i will refuse to see a kobold that way forever. the kobolds will be, for me, little men or better little spirits, similar to a fey. PS: A "Sea kobold" is a Klabautermann. We do have similar creatures or names elsewhere as well, such as Wichtel.

@tomforge614

Ай бұрын

To be fair, there's a lot of niche spirits from Europe that tend to go overlooked. Wichtlein, knocker/knucker, I believe that what folks refer to as gnomes originated as kabauter or tomte rather than the alchemic spirit of earth. I mean, when was the last time you saw an Alp or Mare be used as the magical bedside dream fiend over the Incubus and Succubus? The Xana, Longana, Glaistig, Leanan Sidhe, Danthienne, Fext, Nachtzehrer, Clurichaun, and many others of the ilk. Mr. Tolkein's influenced hampered much of Europe's mythology to just elves, dwarves, giants, goblins, and trolls. Fey were lightly preserved in Grimms' Bros compilations, but most folks could tell you 30+ critters from Greek lore, but maybe guess at 1 or 2 of German, Dutch, or Norwegian past dwarves, elves, fairies, and other near-catachall terms.

@derultimativenachahmer74

Ай бұрын

There are three types of Kobolde in my Ryuutama game: Bergkobolde that look like little humans with draconic elements like tiny horns and scaly tails (‘Berggeister’), Waldkobolde that look like little humans with dog elements like wolf ears and fluffy tails (‘Waldgeister’), and ‘Hobkobolde’ that are short humans with wolf and dragon elements that are sort of my hobbit stand-ins. They are often the leaders of the others if they form gangs. Obviously the Kobolde don't get along with the Neko-Goblins. And Klabautermänner, who are more of a cousin species and obviously fishy with fish tails and googly eyes. I love both versions of D&D and from Asia, but I'm also annoyed that the original culture has simply gone under.

@shytendeakatamanoir9740

26 күн бұрын

Yeah, for me they were basically the same as Korrigans. I was really confused the first time I played a JRPG and found them as (canine) beastmen.

In one branch of D&D editions, kobolds also got more dog like, eventually being sometime protreyed as evil humanoid chihuahuas (though often with sparse or no hair) -- I still present them as small humanoid dogs with scaly skin, and often have them worship Loki who they see as inspiring tricks and traps.

I personally like the idea of kobolds looking a bit like a dragon and a bit like a dog, like in 1E, as I think it fits them very well thematically. They're related to dragons, hence the resemblance, but they act as servants and typically fight in packs, a bit like dogs!

It's from a japanese localisation of original D&D monster description. Gygax' "dog-like" became "dog-men" and the rest is history.

@MediocreNed

Ай бұрын

I've heard that one of the early monster manuals also switched the gnoll picture (hynea people) with the kobold picture. Weither this was by accident or the localizer just doubling down on their mistake

@felipedasilveira5808

23 күн бұрын

​@@MediocreNed the "localizer" was a barely english-speakin, barely professional intern iirc.

I think it is about time kobolds start to be portrayed as meerkats: - kinda doggish, kinda lizardy shape - humanoid when bipedal - social (pack tactics) - clever - subterranean

@meakimon

29 күн бұрын

This is a wonderful idea!

@ChildOfApollo

27 күн бұрын

i might use this in a campaign

It's like Eastern vs Western dragons. One looks like a winged lizard, the other looks like a bearded snake, one is obsesses with princesses and treasure, while the other is considered almost a wide god-like entity. Both are dragons nonetheless.

@WolforNuva

20 күн бұрын

But are they? Obviously these days that's how they're seen, but as far as I've heard western and eastern dragons don't share any roots the way dog and lizard kobolds do (maybe, _maybe,_ both originated from mythisized snakes, but even then I think that it was developed separately, and I think it's a stretch to call 2 mythical creatures the same thing just because they are based on the same animal if you go back far enough). I accept I could be wrong, but I'm under the impression that eastern dragons were called dragons because of superficial resemblances.

Here's another theory from wikitionary: "From Middle High German kobe (“shed, sty”) (modern Koben) + *holt (“goblin”), from hold (“friendly, gracious”), a euphemistic way of referring to the mischievous beings, from Proto-Germanic *hulþaz (“inclined, favorable”). Related to Dutch kabouter." So originally they were just "Trash Goblins."

While D&D originally had Lupin as dog-like humanoids, there are also the Cynocepheli, literally meaning (dog-headed), from old explorers accounts.

*the very first DnD depiction of a kobolds exists which is a weird half reptile half canine thingy* America: thats closer to lizards Asia: that's closer to dogs

"Dobby from Lord of the Rings" You're trolling us, right?

@MindGoblin-w6p

23 күн бұрын

I loved when gollum pulled a mini gun in Harry Potter

The suikoden series has dog kobolds, and even goes a step further with catlike "nay-kobolds".

Just wait until you notice that Orcs in anime are pigmen, then look back at D&D and find out they were pigmen and it was also changed by WotC. The change comes from Games workshop ,who were originally the British distributer's of DND, decided their Orc would be fungal and green. Fast forward Blizzard copied the art style from games workshop almost 1 to 1. WotC when taking over D&D decided that warcraft is popular and probably had some artist fanboys of it and decided to copy it, giving up the green elves called orcs we have today.

One of the rumours heard in the keep in The Keep on the Borderlands is that, "There are hordes of tiny dog-men in the lower caves." That refers to Kobolds, the rumoured large dog men being Gnolls. BECMI, Frank Mentzer's edit of B/X, tried to have the cake and eat it, too, saying "These small, evil dog-like men usually live underground. They have scaly, rust-brown skin and no hair." So there's precedence.

its funny that although completely lizard-like d&d kobolds still have the vestigial dog nose

If you look closely at 5E kobold, you might notice they have dog-like skulls, black dog noses and two horns that look like dog ears. 5E kobolds are a nearly perfect marriage of the two lineages of kobold.

Not just in Japan but Asia in general.

The original Kobold was on your screen with the modern remake. The image you are showing from the 'original', is actually a remake itself. The Modern Remake in the corner has the map displayed like it used to be back when it was the dawn of home computing, and the images that it was using is the original version of the images.

What made me smile was the fact that you said “the god of…” and then it cut to an ad break. So what I saw was a list of great things - “the god of Amazon”

Headcanon ; kobolds born from dragons, like dragonborn rejects. Dogbolds born from doglike dragons. Like falcore from neverending story. Its funny... its like a game of broken telephone, but with text and pictures. It starts with 1 guy's interpretation of a fairytale creature that looks somewhere between a lizard and a dog, and 2 people take it in 2 directions.... then the next set of people take it further in 1 direction til we got aKobold and jKobold. Reminds me of moblins

@adtrlthegamer7449

Ай бұрын

I agree with this. Got thinking, they could be cousins if made in the same world. One went more Reptilian and underground, while the other on the surface and maybe in colder area's. (Their original Kobold self being their ancestors. *Shrug.*)

@LucasHaddad313

Ай бұрын

yeah moblins are like bulldogs or pigs/boars.

I remember reading on the information pages of the "reincarnated as a slime", there was explained that the classical monsters in the east difference from those of the west because of some translation errors. Like orcs are represented as pig-people because orc translates into pig-head, Ogers are depicted as horned man, because it translates to devil And last but not least, Kobold translates into dog-like over there.

@DraguiDrakonial

22 күн бұрын

Oh, i always thought that Orcs where pig-like as a some sort of pun with the word Pork. I don't know why, it just sounded right to young me.

given the origin of kobolds in dnd lore, this makes me want to see furred dnd dragons lol. in general i hope d&d officially acknowledges this interpretation of kobolds for how popular its gotten and find a way to bring them into their lore. maybe most would disagree, but i would love for kobolds to have this unholy matrimony of fur and scales. like some kobolds look like typical western lizardy kobolds and are effectively the hairless cat equivalent of kobolds, and some grow and shed fur in preparation of winter, or some live far into polar climates and are permanently furred. could get weird with the reasons too, like maybe some kobolds are semi-aquatic with fur like otters or beavers to deal with their habitat

@genericcatgirl

Ай бұрын

It would be cool to see kobolds with some inspirations from Stem-mammals, which are a nice mix of mammalian and reptilian traits (at least in modern depictions). The Diictondon is one of the more famous creatures in this group and burrowers, so it can fit pretty well.

I think they have a bigger problem... "WHO SORTED THESE MOSS!? YOURE SUPPOSED TO SORT MOSS BY ITS COLOR!"

The kobold/dog thing is a issue with the Japanese version of the monster manual. The jackalwere was on the same page as the entry for kobolds. So people thought that's what they looked like.

@AscendantStoic

Ай бұрын

Dungeon Dad brought up that issue in one of his episodes about how D&D early manuals had monster entries mixing together and overlapping, which could be confusing since you might be still reading text of one monster/creature but looking at the art of another.

@sboinkthelegday3892

Ай бұрын

They don't look like anything, you just put a random name on it. "Dragons" in East and West also have literally nothing to do with each other, but I see these countless videos "isn't it crazy how every culture has DRAGONS?!" No, it's literally crazy that you believe false history, like cowherd fantasies based on OTHER fantasies Akira Kurosawa made up about idealized samurai. Now everone is SURE America had "their own kind of Samurai" that held high noon gun duels and Samurai had iaido quick draw blade battles. NEITHER had EITHER. Sometimes people with weapons just had little pathetic scuffles and people died on occasion.

@captainhalcyonix9009

Ай бұрын

@@sboinkthelegday3892 did you mean to reply to me about this? I don't think I mentioned dragons at all.

Always thought it was a copyright thing. Because the change to distinctly make them into lizards was so abrupt and almost personal when dog kobolds are everywhere back in the 90s.

I remember watching Delicious in Dungeon and being thrown off when the dog character was said to be a Kobold. That threw me for a loop.

In an alternate universe, there's a kobold version of you explaining why humans on this side of the world are portrayed as weird, hairless alien things and in Kobold-Japan they look like cute little monkey bois

I remember the kids show Little Bear. They told a story about Kobolds, and the creature representing them was a Gnome…. An old fashioned 1st edition D&D Gnome, little dude white a beard, and a small pointy hat.

Fun Fact: There's been a LARGE variety of Kobold variants made over the years splitting off from dogbolds to dragbolds to deerbolds, pretty much make anything a short gremlin version with a tendency to like shiny things and boom, bold.

@26th_Primarch

Ай бұрын

I read a fantasy novel written like a noir detective story that had their kobolds look like squirrels.

@thewolfstu

Ай бұрын

@@26th_Primarch N i c e Squirbolds

@RedRaiju

Ай бұрын

Deerbolds are new to me. Do you remember where you saw them?

@RedRaiju

Ай бұрын

​@@26th_PrimarchWhat was the name?

@thewolfstu

Ай бұрын

@@RedRaiju I came up with them on my own for my own setting but someone I talk to on a server was cataloging all of the kobold variants and also came across deerbolds somewhereee.

I’ve pretty grown up with the Japanese version of kobolds and didn’t even realize there were lizard type kobolds. I thought those were just called lizardman or dragonkin. I first learned of kobolds from the sword art online anime, which has canine features.

Food for thought; The French word "gobelin" (from which is where we get the modern word "goblin") and the German word "kobold" actually BOTH come from the word "kobaloi".

@linkow

Ай бұрын

Acording to etymonline, the origin of Kobold is uncertain but most likely comes from Middle High German kobe (house) + holt (friend).

The D&D Kobold of the 70s-80s transitioned from dwarf-like to dog-like. Then they became little lizard-like. Given there are over ten editions of D&D, some parallel to others, its whatever they could slap a copyright on.

The very first time I saw a kobold was when I played Quest 64 at a friend's house as a kid and it looked like a werewolf dressed as a boxer.

Im sure someone else has already said this in here but, the reason why there are dog kobolds is because of DnD. Not just because of the intentional vague way the earliest editions where work, but because on Basic Dungeons and Dragons and the Mystara setting they are explicitly described as been dog like. I'm pretty sure Mr. Welch has mentioned this in a video.

A major influence was something called Record of Lodoss War. It was for many people in Japan /the/ introduction to western style fantasy. It started life as transcripts of actual d&d sessions, (and later, other systems) cleaned up and published as an ongoing bit in a magazine. It later got adapted into novels, anime, games, etc. It's monstrously influential on later japanese fantasy. It' basically their lord of the rings. Everyone who was doing western type fantasy was inspired by it, copying it, or going back to it's source and copying that. Early d&d described them as doglike, so that's what folks inspired by lodoss picked up and ran with. See also why you'll find a ton of Japanese orcs that look like pig people: older d&d described orcs as being pigfaced.

Hopefully, I'm not just adding to a pile of similar answers. Japan recieved localizations of Wizardry, including on old consoles. The console versions got entirely new art, in an entirely new style. So, not only do you have to consider words being localized, but also visuals. The thing I don't understand is Wizardry has literal, playable, dog people in it called Rawulfs, or some word that roughly sounds like that. So, it's a bit weird for Wizardry to have two separately named sets of dog people in localization. They also had cat people called Felpurs, Mooks, which are legally distinct wookies, and a baseline Psionic class which is why I always look for psionics in fantasy settings at a base. It's what I grew up with. Well, the 6-8 trilogy in particular is what I grew up with.

I think leaving out the bulldog-like kobold from the early 2e Monstrous Compedium in favor of the slightly-more-like-3e-but-without-scales misses an important step in the process.

From what I know, in Chainmail and Old D&D, Kobolds and Goblins where kinda of interchangeable, with a few statistics differences, but nothing different as far as descriptions go. In AD&D 1e they are drawn "dog like", but I will argue it is more "rat like". In AD&D 2e, they are described as having a "wet dog like smell". Then D&D was still sorta of a separate game from AD&D, and a bunch of editions had in their descriptions kobolds as being "dog like humanoids". I think it is from 3rd Edition that they decided to consolidate their visual and descriptions to be more lizard like, so they are more distinct from goblins and to avoid misunderstandings from the "something something dog like" from old versions and revisions of the game. I think that is why it's hard to track down the origins of the "Dogbold". The late 80's early 90's we had two versions of the same game, and stuff like the 1981 or the 1991 Black Box editions of D&D ware more accessible than buying 3 separate books to play AD&D. So kobolds as dogs can probably be traced down to how easy it was to get into D&D as opposed to AD&D, specially in other countries.

Iirc, it's because the Kobolds in DnD are described as having dog like noses, which they have to this day, and Japan basically read the description, saw "dog", and went with that, not bothering to read the rest. Something like that. Also, to my knowledge, the sea faring variant is called a Klabautermann.

The only issue I've ever had with Kobolds is that not so many GM's use them to their best abilities. My opinion. of course. In D&D they're really weak, but very clever, doubly so when defending their turf. When used creatively, they can flummox the toughest of characters.

AFAIC the "classic" kobold is the little dog men. That's the early D&D version. The more lizard-like animal is an evolution based (I think) on the fact that kobolds worship dragons.

@RowbotMaster

Ай бұрын

I've heard the dragon worship came from the elemental or more specifically fire connection. As far as I can tell the original folk kobolds had a thing for turning into fire World of warcraft also took this fire connection in a different direction by making them care deeply about candles

@fishfingers4548

Ай бұрын

The doggie Kobolds were a thing in D&D, vaguely remember the little fellas barking at me in Baldur's Gate (1) kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZIiT29uFnbXXdqw.htmlsi=yhblDiqjD5rAInwm

EverQuest kolbolds were hound based creature, too.

Cool east kobolds and west kobolds like east dragons and west dragons I love the idea that they have the same abilities just one has a coat

The Pathfinder 2e remaster kobolds absorb the traits of powerful monsters in their area. e.g. the lizard kobolds live in an area with a powerful dragon, and are able to absorb some of that power/essence. This lets you have any flavour of kobolds, and can also be a cool hint to what powerful creatures might be nearby.

"Like Dobby the house elf, from Lord Of The Rings." He said it so matter-of-fact we know he's trolling. 🤣Awesome video, man!

Fun Facts: The word goblin is actually derived from kobold. The two were originally the same, so goblins could be treated as another conceptual line of kobold. And you can add in orcs, too. Tolkien originally considered them synonymous with goblins. And that brings in the Japanese pig orcs (porcs) which were themselves an offshoot of early d&d. And if you want to get cheeky, you could loop in greater and lesser tengu, as the term is often translated as goblin.

The first "Suikoden" release on PlayStation in 1995 featured the Japanese dog version of kobolds which the Delicious in Dungeon series very much resembles imo.

To be fair, I think things might err a little more towards 1983 being the notable point of divergence, being the first edition of D&D that Japan saw release commercially. The edition was BECMI (Basic, Expert, Companion, Master, Immortal after the box sets that made up the edition), the only Dungeons and Dragons Edition of the time (1st edition and later 2nd edition Advanced Dungeons and Dragons were available in the US at the time, but they are technically separate from the Dungeons and Dragons line). The default Campaign Setting of BECMI was Mystara (like the default Campaign setting for 5e (A)D&D is the Remembered Realms and 3.Xe's is Greyhawk with the serial numbers filed off) where, as Mr Welch will be happy to tell you, Kobolds went far more in the Dog-direction than the lizard one.

I personally like the split evolution take on the subject. Kobolds started out as a bipedal half canine/ half lizard-like species, at some point 2 separate groups were formed, and due to differences in environment and lifestyles 1 group doubled-down on its more reptilian qualities, while the other its more canine qualities. Thus, 2 new versions of the same species was born.

That sounds like a pretty neat idea in a homebrew campaign, but you should be careful about bringing dog kobolds into a Forgotten Realms campaign, especially if you have a D&D lore nut in the group, since the D&D kobolds have a long history of servitude and worship of dragons, and even their own god Qwertlemac (I probably misspelled that) who was the first kobold granted permission by his dragon master to amass his own hoard, and subsequently got into a lot of scuffles with the god of the gnomes.

I remember arguments with gamers in the 90s debating whether Kobolds were dogs or lizards. Back then during second edition it swung back and forth between the two descriptions between books and adventures. The classic silly RPG “Kobolds are My Baby” doesn’t really land the joke title of they are lizards

Someone else has probably said this already, but if there were House, Sea, and Miner kobolds, wouldn't it make more sense for the dog variety to be the House kobolds? And then the Sea kobolds could be frog-like, based on the original art from that game.

The thing I love about the D&D5e version of Kobolds is that they have noticeable black dog snouts, so it seems the designers went back to the design's roots

The reason cobalt was a pain and blamed on kobolds was because it was often mistaken for silver, and then it was believed kobolds had "poisoned" it, turning it into cobalt, which while it's useful as a dye, it's also toxic to humans in excessive amounts and a major disappointment to silver miners.

Who would have thought that Foxy the Pirate was a Kobold all along

The Kobold from German folklore is also solitary and more like the trickster spirit who challenge you

I think the first time I saw a kobold was in Ragnarök Online, a Korean MMORPG, in the early 2000’s. It was a canine one. Because of that I tended to associate kobolds as more canine in appearance.

Something that many people seem to miss is that kobolds are incredibly cleanly creatures in almost all settings they are in, especially in D&D. I cannot describe how my inner lore librarian has inwardly cringed when I've played in campaigns where a kobold lair was filthy. But that aside I love the little creatures, my profile pic on here is even a kobold that I personally drew. I prefer a mix of fur and scales with the fur being primarily visible, the scales being overall underneath. This makes the nostrils more lizardlike but covered in fur. All in all a great video, I hope you have fun and make more interesting videos. =^_^=

The weird thing is that in my D&D game, they're kind of scaled dogs. So... a dog/lizard hybrid? I also made the CN instead of evil. They're mostly tricksters and thieves that like to swarm you to take your stuff and then run. They can be reasoned with, and will trade items for information or things they need. However, if times are tough for them, they will swarm you to eat you. They and goblins are mortal enemies, so if you happen to be on your way to destroy some goblins that are raiding the local village, the kobolds will help you in some minor way. I love kobolds.

I like the look of the Pathfinder kobolds. They're kind of cute.

@BrunoFernandes-ty7mf

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Me too. They look more like little lizards that got on two legs, instead of some little reptile-men like in D&D. I like it.

@drAq44

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Plus in the remaster they take after their surrounding, so they can be less reptilian, and more aquatic for example. Love those little guys!

Your videos are so charming, thanks! Also, always wanted this question answered! Hopefully, DnD will embrace the complex Kobold history and give us the doggo PCs we've always wanted!

D&D Kobolds aren't lizards, they're furless doggos.

@chongwillson972

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@vahnvega1990 if you are talking about dnd 3e through dnd e5 they are lizards.

Fun Fact English word Goblin Translates to Kobold German so might be why kobolds look like goblins so for german folk lore goblin and kobold same creature

I had an idea: Fire Kobolds: lizard-like Water Kobolds: Frog-like Earth Kobolds: Dog-like Air Kobolds: ???? (anyone wants to suggest an idea?)

@BonusAction

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Air Kobolds: Pigeon

@linkow

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@@BonusAction perfect

In the 1980's, the Commodore and other early computers had a game series titled "The Bard's Tale" (NOT the game of the same name on the Playstation 2). One of the early enemies of all three games of the series, right outside the Adventurer's Guild where you begin the first game even, are kobolds. These were featured with dog-like faces with fur. Also: 2:10. How did Dobby go from Harry Potter's service to Frodo's service?

In my games I used rat kobolds. They can be found in caves, sewers and ships. And they are the first to escape a sunking ship.

BECMI aka Basic D&D's kobolds are more down the dog route. Some art does have scales, but they also have fur and sometimes even moustaches in art despite their text description saying they don't. They get played for comedy value in a lot of the products, like the Orcs of Thar (with rules for playing one) and Northlands Gazeteers (where they feature as prominent NPCs and enemies).

There are a kind of kobolds in Celtic lore called Pwca (spelling variable) small spirits that can help and hinder rural communities. Some do housework and live in mines and some are all for the mischief and make life just that little bit more tedious

You could also add some kind of bloodlust-type trait to the dog-type kobolds. They seem to have that in Dungeon Meshi, where if a kobold smells blood or is near a conflict, they go into some kind of frenzy and will fight until they die, or something like that.

For another Kobold variation, check out the Morbus Kobolds from Grim Hollow's Lairs of Etharis.

I think I'm going to go with house kobolds being doggos, and something more like a murlock from WoW or some kind of tiny fish man for the sea kobolds. I might also make it so they're regional variants, like you only find dog kobolds in the far east, and the fish are found in some coastal areas but no one really realizes they're technically kobolds.

Interesting info. I always picture kobolds as mangy dog people, likely inspired from the OLD D&D illustrations and their warrens in Keep on the Borderlands (my first taste of D&D)

It's sort of like how orcs have evolved. In the west, it's totally Warcraft with the occasional LOTR movie Uruk-hai tossed in, while Japan is still trucking along with literal pig heads.

Make your seafarer kobolds look more like labrador retrievers than other dog breeds, perhaps - because those Germanic seafarer kobolds have webbed feet, and so do labs! 🦮

2:18 you killed me here

In one of our homebrew AD&D 2nd E setting we took the description of 1st and 2nd E Kobolts, including the slightly canine features and fact they are supposed to lay eggs and decided to to make them humanoid non-mammalian cynodonts. Something closer to a basal Probainognathian like Oligokyphus and Morganucodon, maybe even cynoganthian.

You already have germanic Kobold in DnD. The direct translation of kobold is goblin. And the household Kobolds were also often called Gnome, which I think I don't have to translate. I dunno what the original thought process was by putting Goblins in the game twice. Arguably three times when you consider that in "Lord of the Rings" goblin is just another word for orc.

Another interesting deviation in kobold design comes from the videogame Dwarf Fortress, and it became the main mental image of "kobolds" for me and the 12 other troglodytes that knew about Dwarf Fortress before getting into D&D. Dwarf Fortress didn't have any graphics originally (being an ASCII game), but from their description, some early art from the game devs (they'd often send crayon drawings to people that donated money to them) and the title screen art of their sub-game Kobold Quest, those Kobolds were much more similar to the original Germanic folklore kobolds, little pointy-eared yellow eyed dudes that lived in caves and stole stuff occasionally. In Dwarf Fortress, they were a mostly harmless nuisance; smaller and weaker than Dwarves, they'd mostly run away if spotted skulking around a fortress looking for something to steal, and they were pretty stupid, speaking a gibberish language that couldn't be translated made them hostile by default to all other races, but since they were so tiny and weak it inevitably meant they'd get pushed around by everyone they came across. And so the fanbase started... Feeling bad for them, and seeing their patheticness as... Kinda cute? And so, the Cutebold was born, a design that started spreading across 4chan and the Dwarf Fortress forums of small humanoids with long snouts and dog-like, often droopy ears. Often shown making bad attempts at imitating the civilized races, or in memes, that design became so popular that, when the Dwarf Fortress devs decided to make a Steam port with actual grahics, the graphics used for the kobolds were not of the original design, but of the cutebolds, with their in-game description changing to reflect that.

In Dungeons and Dragons: Tower of Doom some dog-type kobold's are the first enemies you run into. Then it might be more of the dog-type goblinoids being more TSR era of D&D, and WOTC D&D changing them into little dragons.

I like the idea of Dogbolds and Lizbolds being different branching offshoots from the same root species. It'd explain the D&D kobolds having the little dog noses. Sea Kobolds being the doggo version makes sense because dogs like to swim.

@chongwillson972

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@ShinGallon then what trait do the dogbolds have in common with Lizbolds? seems like it is favoring Dogbolds over the Lizbolds.

My first contact with "dog kobold" was with the MMORPG Ragnarok online. In fact that was my first contact with kobolds in general and I was surprised to see the reptile version of it later on.

Just like Pokemon, the species that migrated to Japan evolved into their own regional form.

My Idea, Is To Have The Lizardy Kobolds Be The Miner Kobolds, Have The Dog Ones Be The House Kobolds (The Dog Dobbies, Or Doggies If You Will xD), And Have The Original German Gremlin Ones, Maybe With Some Amphibious Features, Become The New Sea Kobolds. That Way Its Touching On All Three Versions, And Paying Omage To All Sources. :3