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Raditz had more Space battles than the Earthlings!
Trunks didnt train or was Battle tested that much at the point despite fighting the androids
I think he had more Combat with stronger opponents at that Point
Actually real facts watch the fight again. Radits is actually 300-600. I'm pretty sure 350 actually. Gohan was 1000.
8:50 where does this panel from? It looks like Meerus so I assume DBS but the rabbit gang are still there?? What about the times the moon was destroyed?
My head cannon always had Piccolo weaker than Nail when they fused.. Nail was the strongest Namekian and he specifically notes how strong Piccolo is, assume this is compared to all the other Namekians but it would seem unlikely that only 6 days could take him from 3500 (average warrior type) to greater than 42000 stronger than their #1 fighter. I put pre fusion Piccolo at around 35,000 so his power goes up 10x which is still a huge boost to achieve in 6 days. If you then apply the Fusion multipllier: (A + B) x 10 = 35000 + 42000 =77000 77000 x 10 = 770,000. Not exactly on par with 2nd form Frieza but close enough that we get the fight shown where Piccolo can content with Frieza but not enough to overcome. Additionally this is Piccolos first fusion so he probably gained more from that the typical fusion.. he gained Nails knowledge of Namekian abilities which probably pushed the fusion further so he gets up to around 1.2m in his fight with Frieza.. enough to knock him down but not out.
Goku explained this to Gohan in the chamber 😂😂 people who think this did not watch the show.
Love your videos... Can see your angle on this, but I disagree and think there's a lot of reaching here. -They were in aw of his transformation (cell, krillin) not because they hadn't seen it, bit because they didn't expect the amount of power he had. -Vegeta didn't have grade 3, he realized he COULD obtain that power but because he's smart and could see the downside of it, he trained differently. -Grade 3 made Trunks not only STRONGER than Vegeta, but made him on par with Perfect Cell (base form), but due to the stamina and speed drain, he was useless
Scholar puts another red circle and arrow pointing to something useless: “He can’t keep getting away with this!!”
If ssj 3 Goku is more powerful than ultimate Gohan then why Goku used ssj blue kaioken in super to defeat ultimate Gohan?
I find it funny that ppl say future gohan was the weakest ever. He learned how to go ssj by himself and was able to hold off the androids for years, wen the other z warriors got washed. Even wit one arm. I honestly feel like he would’ve beaten them if trunks wasn’t a distraction.
You had me up until you said times 20. It doesn’t go above 10 in canon.
I actually believe Baby has the best back story, motivation and build up out of every single villain in dragon ball, dbz, and DBS. Gt got that right. Baby slaps as a villain.
At best he gets first form frieza to lock in
He's the drink tho
Forget about physics in Dragonball. The androids have infinite energy. Case closed.
And then Trunks comes out of nowhere and slices Frieza and pulverize him.
Waiting for the "Why the DBZ franchise was a disgrace" 😂
Guywhosasstrongasasaibamansayswhat?
Wasn't this a what if battle from one of the earlier ps2 or maybe ps3 games where burdock goes ssj but frieza goes 2nd form and beats him this was in either budokai 2 or burst limit
In my opinion, one individual cannot know about the other individual's techniques unless the fusion USES them, not store them. For example, Vegito Blue used instant transmission against Zamasu, then in moro arc Vegeta uses instant transmission WITHOUT any training. Long story short, the KNOWLEDGE of BOTH persons is in in the fusion's head ONLY, but if the fusion used a technique of one individual, the other individual will get a "feeling" of that same technique and eventually figure it out. Vegito never used SSJ3, so Vegeta shouldn't know how to ho SSJ3, on the other hand Vegito used IT, so Vegeta should know how to do IT, and he does! Theoretically, that also means that Vegeta also knows how to do kamehameha, and Goku should be able to perform big bang attack and final flash, but they don't want to do so because of their pride as you said.
Just realized that we never got to see a Super Saiyen mustache.
Kid Buu and Majin Vegeta are my all time fav bad guys.
in DBZ, your state of mind has a large influence over your power levels. so reminding them to use martial arts principles they've been neglecting could reasonably change how powerful they are or even what form their power takes.
Namek saga gohan was the best
Even tho SS4 Gogeta kicked Omega Shenron's ass without moving, seems like he won that fight 😂
If ssblue is God with ss surely we will get a blue ss2 and ss3 ?
Just like all saiyans if they battle n survive mortal injuries , they become stronger, if raditz lived he definitely would've became a super saiyan b4 goku 😂
If SSG had given Goku access to magic and such, making it so that instead of straight power being what wins the fight it’s how he uses his new magic in addition to his fighting experience and techniques; I think it would have been better. It also would have justified the thinner body because the emphasis is on magic and using the body as a conduit for said magic instead of brute force. And let vegeta get it onscreen, maybe by being around goku while he’s practicing and then training together in base, and he ascends when thinking about his family. Or something. I’m not a writer, but I would watch a storyline that follows this.
My take is that Goku and Vegeta only share their knowledge while fused. Once they unfuse, all the knowledge and memories go back to their original bodies, so they don't share techniques. They recall what happened when fused, but don't have the same operative knowledge required to use their respective abilities.
Raditz was stronger becayse he put his life on the line in battle getting him the zenki boosts. Goku only had fun fights
Has it been established whether Super Saiyan is possible with a tail still intact?
In the next tournament of power, I hope Raditz will be featured as a warrior an alternative universe.
You holden? Cause im holding my anger back
You probably don't know but GT Vegeta in SSJ2 has a power level near as high as Goku SSJ3
Circle and arrow?! On the thumbnail I didn't get it why?
If you look closer it's SSJ3
It would have been so easy to have Goku and Vegeta grow their tails back after attaining a new super Saiyan form but noooooooo
9:50 bro i didn't even know these numbers existed
3:30 I'm not a big fan of Super but I did some research on the SSJGod lore and it actually makes a lot of sense. I think Blue is unique and inspiring especially because it is the exact opposite of what the space mercenary saiyans were all about .. instead of outrage and domination Blue is powered by inner temperament and heightened self awareness. Therefore, Blue symbolizes Goku and Vegeta transcending the trauma and narratives of their past at the highest level; something that dying several times before didn't even allow them to do.
Spot on !!!
The Top of the Food Chain isnt Beerus. Its Monaka and Zeno!
Tien is the last martial artist where technique can beat power. That is the message. Besides instant transmission, Tien has the strongest techniques.
Vegeta has never trained seriously either. He focuses on torture training and exploiting his saiyan biology for zenkai boosts. Goku legitimately understands martial arts and does a combination of strength training, sparring, and mental training. Vegeta is a battle prodigy so that’s why he’s able to learn from his mistakes. The half saiyans are explicitly stated to have more potential. Imagine Trunks with elder kai potential unlocked.
Dbs as a concept had SO MUCH POTENTIAL. A whole new realm with Super Saiyan God. If Blue was introduced later it'd be much more impactful. A new realm of power, a new type of ki, a new God, new universes with so much potential, and so much more.
I always think when Frieza said, his first form has 530k. I think its his bulk form, his 100 percent form in his first form. I think Frieza base form, shoul be 150-170k.
Its pretty clear Raditz was stronger than Goku, since he basically had to sacrifice his own life to prevent Raditz from doing the Sayan business on EArth.
There’s no way people really think this is a actual argument the disrespect gt gets is crazy cuz in gt gohan never stopped training and every time he would get screen time he would get wrecked and goku was leaps beyond gohan in this kid form gt idk the proof is in the pudding
It's very likely that Vegeta can go SSJ3. SSJ3 just has way too many downsides to justify it.