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Yeah, I find the same problem when there is a lot of traffic. It just keeps the same speed when trying to merge or change lanes rather than speed up or slow down, so I always take over.
@choongtaКүн бұрын
FSD should either speed up or slow down if it knew a merge is pending. If it did know, then maybe it didn't calculate the speed of the oncoming car. All in all, FSD might still need another decade to learn these basics.
@slowercuber7767Күн бұрын
More notes about merging and other lane change behavior, with 12.3.4 and 12.3.6. 1) I have found it important to have my foot ready to accelerate when merging back into the travel lane after passing a car, in case the car starts merging back too close to the passed vehicle. This usually happens when there is a vehicle close behind me in the passing lane. 2) Ego seems to be turning into exit lanes pretty quickly, but often fails to signal (for instance exiting I-459 N, exiting to I-280 in Alabama.) 3) Ego turns several feet later than I would when exiting the highway from a non-exit-only lane to an exit, to the degree that I worry if it is going to turn even though it is signalling. I generally just take over to make a gentler exiting turn. 4) When merging, I don't mess around. At the very least I stay ready to accelerate or brake, and if there is any traffic around, even a lane or two over, I'll take over and merge on my own. 5) There are several places on the interstates where I typically drive which require moving across multiple lanes to reach travel lanes after an interchange. Too often, FSD will merge ok, then just sit in an intermediate lane, even with me turning on the signal to continue over. So once again, I cancel out and move over manually. I remember, maybe from my Drivers Ed class in the early 1970s, that making too many lane changes too close together can lead to a wreckless driving ticket, so maybe FSD is biased to limit the number of lane changes it will make in a short time, but I don't think that can apply in a situation where if you don't make those lane changes quickly enough you can't safely reach the travel lanes on the road you wish to be on.
@slowercuber7767Күн бұрын
23:30 "Chin up" might be a problem with my bifocals. besides, it sounds/looks uncomfortable. It won't matter much to me, as I expect to be driving mostly "hands on" (well thumb and forefinger on, at least) until FSD reaches full level 3, anyway.
@slowercuber7767Күн бұрын
Speaking of that merde... I mean merge, again... I've noticed that many drivers tend to pace the cars around them, I've even caught myself doing it if I'm not paying attention to the driving. I don't know why, but assume it is some sort of normal human behavior. It doesn't require any malice on the part of the other driver to have boxed you in like that, it may have been intentional, but I think it more likely to have been lack of attention, is all. Having said that, I've known drivers who somehow think it is their duty to prevent cars from merging into their lane, but this one didn't have that vibe, at least not from the video.
@techgeekteslaКүн бұрын
Agreed!!
@slowercuber7767Күн бұрын
13:06 yes, the merge was merde. hmm.... Could Ego be French?
@slowercuber7767Күн бұрын
6:52 YEA! I find the current merge behavior annoying; in traffic, I cancel and merge on my own.
@devinliangКүн бұрын
Can you please give us an updates?
@techgeekteslaКүн бұрын
Hello! 👋 What update are you interested to hear about?
@devinliang23 сағат бұрын
@@techgeektesla We would like to collaborate with you and we are waiting for your reply.
@giuseppearbiaКүн бұрын
negative on the 12V should be disconnected prior disconnecting the High Voltage not the opposite. Also service mode could be used and most important, wait that the heating is completely off, then power off using the screen then 12V off, High Voltage off. Replace the battery, then high voltage reconnect and last 12V reconnect. If it is a model 3 with heat pump the procedure is different. Always consult the official service manual
@pennyharris4462 күн бұрын
Because smart summon can back up, we know fsd can too. It’s just not ready yet.
@SHardin-pg6ew2 күн бұрын
When it comes to the merging incident I believe the other driver was at fault. Everyone knows you supposed to go over and give the oncoming car the right away. That driver was being a jerk. it would not have mattered if you try to merge early he still wouldn't have went over to let you merge safely
@thomasl21932 күн бұрын
How do you turn off the system on the screen, and roll down the windows if the battery is dead?
@techgeektesla2 күн бұрын
Battery won’t be dead. You’ll get a message indicating that it is about to die first.
@jayahn1232 күн бұрын
I may be wrong but the lane that is losing its lane is suppose to yield. Therefore it was Tesla's fault, imo. And my FSD 12.3.6 does too many of random and repeating mistakes for me to use the FSD!
@zhli42382 күн бұрын
You didn't take over from FSD, and that's good for the software learning update.
@STEVEF7772 күн бұрын
If you are not in camera supervision mode (wearing sunglasses, etc) is the nag wheel still satisfied in this version with using the scroll wheel vs. wheel tug?
@tonymcflattie24502 күн бұрын
What is this sorcery?
@tonymcflattie24502 күн бұрын
That’s pretty slick actually
@tonymcflattie24502 күн бұрын
My civic came with a center screen
@devinliang2 күн бұрын
Hi,this is Hansshow,we really like to collaborate with you.Please let us know us know if you are interested to review our products,we can discuss more:)
@TheIllyrianPrince2 күн бұрын
by the way, I always look forward to your videos and I do enjoy them very much. I love the commentary. I just think you’re a little too quick to judge.
@ThomasEM2 күн бұрын
Good content, and I appreciate you showing the flaw. Fsd and you made the mistake. Sure, it would have been courteous for him to move over, but it wasn't an obligation. A fully attentive driver would have seen that coming and either sped up or slowed down to get in the lane. I don't think it's fair to say it was both your mistake.
@sal08ly2 күн бұрын
As a “SUPERVISOR”, I occasionally supervise by using my indicator or press the accelerator to avoid those merging issues. Question: if I become incapacitated I know the car will activate flashers and come to a stop but will the car move to the shoulder or stop on the highway? Anybody ever record a test of this situation?
@Dave_Outside2 күн бұрын
Mine frequently does the same thing. Try to accelerate hard like it wants to go around the car the right hand side, even though the lane is ending. Just some problem with the software. Once you know, that’s what it does I just take over when I’m going to merge.
@KGBos3 күн бұрын
konnichiwa. Douzo yoroshiku. nihongo o benkyou ga suki desu.
@mthuhn3 күн бұрын
You talk about how Marge is still broken around 12.4.1 that isn't accurate it is fix but when you are on the highway you're still running v11 so that is why it is broken
@techgeektesla3 күн бұрын
How can it be fixed but not fixed?
@techgeektesla3 күн бұрын
Sorry I’m playing with you. 😜 I know what you’re saying, but it’s still crazy to me. V11 was the “one stack to rule them all”. It was the long awaited change. Suddenly v12 went backwards with that. I’ll never quite understand it.
@mthuhn2 күн бұрын
@@techgeektesla It went backwards because unlike v11 v12 has no hard coded rules it is just videos of the car doing the right thing that is why you should take over and do the right thing because I believe that when you press the camera button they have to take the time and build from scratch and then drive the car doing the right thing where if you take over than they have something to work with and they can just smooth it out. But I can't confirm this but it make sense to me
@mthuhn2 күн бұрын
@@techgeektesla that is why everyone is waiting for 12.5 we will be back on signal stack
@Cu_Ty_Pro3 күн бұрын
Until 12.5, merging on highway wont be fixed yet
@TeslaElonSpaceXFan3 күн бұрын
Wow
@telesharp3 күн бұрын
12.4.1 still uses the old stack, not end-to-end neural networks, on the highway. Perhaps this merging issue could be fixed when they get end-to-end running on the highway?
@brizayden3 күн бұрын
Driver that is ahead in the merge has right of way, how are yall driving? 😂😂😂 Basically the car to the left should know to slow down as the tesla was ahead of the merge, drivers hold 100% responsibility to be aware of the road at all times.
@jamesmcneal18213 күн бұрын
I think sometimes when Elon says something that others conclude as a lie, they should ask themselves how might he have been speaking the truth to the best of his knowledge at the time of the statement. In this case, I think that you and other critics may not have thought it through but in your defense I have to say that Elon often doesn’t clarify his statements. When you say that his claim of a 5-10 times improvement, what actually might prove him right when you look at what happened to the previous version, 12.3. When it first came out it had lots of improvements needed. By the time it got to 12.3.6 it was much improved over its initial release. In the same way when you compare 12.3.6 to 12.4.1, I don’t think that is a fair comparison because you have not waited for the refinements of 12.4.2, 12.4.3, … maybe 12.4.6 and then pronounce judgement and if it falls short of 5-10x better you can reasonably conclude that Elon’s estimate was wrong but don’t assume it was a lie. I did enjoy your video and appreciate your insights in general!
@BigBen6213 күн бұрын
28:13 _is _*_this version_*_ 5 to 10 times better in terms of miles per intervention? No, definitely not_ _I'm very disappointed that Elon lied another lie_ Two issues. First, it's not *this version* (v12.4.1) Elon claimed would be 5X to 10X better in terms of miles per intervention, it's v12.4; so Tesla has v12.4.2, ... , v12.4.6(?) to make good on this prediction. Second, a lie is a *deliberate* misstatement. Unless you know that Elon was aware that this prediction was false when he made it-and I don't see how you could-and even if the final version doesn't achieve the predicted improvement, it's still not a lie; but at worst a prediction that turned out to be incorrect. Please don't be so ready to make accusations you can't support. Thank you!
@TheIllyrianPrince3 күн бұрын
That’s precisely what I was trying to say.
@justincrandall33133 күн бұрын
Thanks for the vid and taking your time to do this is really appreciated!!
@aminsumon3 күн бұрын
@techgeektesla please don't be discouraged to post your videos for lack of subscribers, whoever watches your video common sense should tell them to subscribe it immediately as I did a while ago. However we both know that common sense is the most uncommon thing in this world. Please keep doing what you do no matter what as you are adding values to our knowledge thus helping our society. Hope you get rewarded somehow for this at least in a passive way!!!
@techgeektesla2 күн бұрын
Thank you! I often reflect on the lack of subscribers & wonder what I could do better or differently. I think it’s best to continue experimenting and posting high quality videos regardless. And I know that I’m not the only one battling channel growth. I just need to continue raising the bar and not over analyze. In fact, I rarely analyze the stats. I just look at the number of subs. And that could be part of my issue. 😂 🤣. But, I have some ideas! 👊👊👊 Will do my best to not beg for subs in future vids, it’s certainly not what I want to be doing. I appreciate your thoughtful comment and your support. 🫶🙏
@peteralm72493 күн бұрын
Great video and good assessments from you. I think such information helps to improve Tesla FSD. Greetings from Germany
@techgeektesla3 күн бұрын
Hi 🇩🇪!
@remingtonsypro31603 күн бұрын
I understand looking forward but it doesn't make sense that you got to actually tilt your head almost to an uncomfortable position. Looks like you're actually tilding your head upward. Anyway great video Thanks for sharing! 🇺🇸✌️
@N2tech3 күн бұрын
Have you ever considered selling convenience items at the end of the ride? Like a chart on the back of the seat with things like gum or muffins?
@terrygilmore87913 күн бұрын
Another small step for mankind. Thank You for this video.
@davegoddard3 күн бұрын
390 (elgin-ohare) west of 53 makes me crazy, my car is forever trying to go 45 when I use fsd on that road. I have disengaged and left a message many times, and it’s still not right. You know people are trying to run you over if you’re less than 70 up there too.
@Kaipiso3 күн бұрын
Cool video. If I can suggest a few things. If you do a commentary outside of the ride, just do it while you show fsd driving. It is long enough, not to add additional video material. Putting words like fsd, tesla, betatester, 12.4.1 would improve the number of people watching. And yes, highways stack is old and it will be like that till 12.5 I think. So it is easier to indicate for Tesla to change the lane sooner before merging.
@techgeektesla3 күн бұрын
Thank you for the feedback
@ChadSmithakaCCG3 күн бұрын
I really appreciate you taking the time to make these videos for us. I look forward to each one.
@techgeektesla3 күн бұрын
Thank you! 🙏 🙇♂️
@laid_back_media53733 күн бұрын
Highway is still v11. This is why I can’t waiting for 12.5 that’s when Elon said it no longer use V11 on the highway.
@tonymcflattie24503 күн бұрын
Fsd just doesn’t have the bigger traffic picture, as an attentive driver would
@tonymcflattie24503 күн бұрын
How they gonna sextaxi when they can’t even merge?
@tonymcflattie24503 күн бұрын
Tested the refresh 3, lack of turn signal stalks was a major bummer
@tonymcflattie24503 күн бұрын
Comment for the algorithm, already subscribed
@techgeektesla2 күн бұрын
Heheh thanks. I’m going to do some experimentation w/ some future videos. There are some other channels that do a lot better than this one with very similar content. It has me a little perplexed, but not to worry, I think I can turn the ship without spoiling things (ie - clickbait titles, too many sponsors, too many ads, etc)
@GuyFromGeorgia3 күн бұрын
Great vid. Thanks. How ready are we all for 4.2??? What's the hold up? Perfection?
@twiztid6643 күн бұрын
Tesla should have merged well before it was too late.
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Yeah, I find the same problem when there is a lot of traffic. It just keeps the same speed when trying to merge or change lanes rather than speed up or slow down, so I always take over.
FSD should either speed up or slow down if it knew a merge is pending. If it did know, then maybe it didn't calculate the speed of the oncoming car. All in all, FSD might still need another decade to learn these basics.
More notes about merging and other lane change behavior, with 12.3.4 and 12.3.6. 1) I have found it important to have my foot ready to accelerate when merging back into the travel lane after passing a car, in case the car starts merging back too close to the passed vehicle. This usually happens when there is a vehicle close behind me in the passing lane. 2) Ego seems to be turning into exit lanes pretty quickly, but often fails to signal (for instance exiting I-459 N, exiting to I-280 in Alabama.) 3) Ego turns several feet later than I would when exiting the highway from a non-exit-only lane to an exit, to the degree that I worry if it is going to turn even though it is signalling. I generally just take over to make a gentler exiting turn. 4) When merging, I don't mess around. At the very least I stay ready to accelerate or brake, and if there is any traffic around, even a lane or two over, I'll take over and merge on my own. 5) There are several places on the interstates where I typically drive which require moving across multiple lanes to reach travel lanes after an interchange. Too often, FSD will merge ok, then just sit in an intermediate lane, even with me turning on the signal to continue over. So once again, I cancel out and move over manually. I remember, maybe from my Drivers Ed class in the early 1970s, that making too many lane changes too close together can lead to a wreckless driving ticket, so maybe FSD is biased to limit the number of lane changes it will make in a short time, but I don't think that can apply in a situation where if you don't make those lane changes quickly enough you can't safely reach the travel lanes on the road you wish to be on.
23:30 "Chin up" might be a problem with my bifocals. besides, it sounds/looks uncomfortable. It won't matter much to me, as I expect to be driving mostly "hands on" (well thumb and forefinger on, at least) until FSD reaches full level 3, anyway.
Speaking of that merde... I mean merge, again... I've noticed that many drivers tend to pace the cars around them, I've even caught myself doing it if I'm not paying attention to the driving. I don't know why, but assume it is some sort of normal human behavior. It doesn't require any malice on the part of the other driver to have boxed you in like that, it may have been intentional, but I think it more likely to have been lack of attention, is all. Having said that, I've known drivers who somehow think it is their duty to prevent cars from merging into their lane, but this one didn't have that vibe, at least not from the video.
Agreed!!
13:06 yes, the merge was merde. hmm.... Could Ego be French?
6:52 YEA! I find the current merge behavior annoying; in traffic, I cancel and merge on my own.
Can you please give us an updates?
Hello! 👋 What update are you interested to hear about?
@@techgeektesla We would like to collaborate with you and we are waiting for your reply.
negative on the 12V should be disconnected prior disconnecting the High Voltage not the opposite. Also service mode could be used and most important, wait that the heating is completely off, then power off using the screen then 12V off, High Voltage off. Replace the battery, then high voltage reconnect and last 12V reconnect. If it is a model 3 with heat pump the procedure is different. Always consult the official service manual
Because smart summon can back up, we know fsd can too. It’s just not ready yet.
When it comes to the merging incident I believe the other driver was at fault. Everyone knows you supposed to go over and give the oncoming car the right away. That driver was being a jerk. it would not have mattered if you try to merge early he still wouldn't have went over to let you merge safely
How do you turn off the system on the screen, and roll down the windows if the battery is dead?
Battery won’t be dead. You’ll get a message indicating that it is about to die first.
I may be wrong but the lane that is losing its lane is suppose to yield. Therefore it was Tesla's fault, imo. And my FSD 12.3.6 does too many of random and repeating mistakes for me to use the FSD!
You didn't take over from FSD, and that's good for the software learning update.
If you are not in camera supervision mode (wearing sunglasses, etc) is the nag wheel still satisfied in this version with using the scroll wheel vs. wheel tug?
What is this sorcery?
That’s pretty slick actually
My civic came with a center screen
Hi,this is Hansshow,we really like to collaborate with you.Please let us know us know if you are interested to review our products,we can discuss more:)
by the way, I always look forward to your videos and I do enjoy them very much. I love the commentary. I just think you’re a little too quick to judge.
Good content, and I appreciate you showing the flaw. Fsd and you made the mistake. Sure, it would have been courteous for him to move over, but it wasn't an obligation. A fully attentive driver would have seen that coming and either sped up or slowed down to get in the lane. I don't think it's fair to say it was both your mistake.
As a “SUPERVISOR”, I occasionally supervise by using my indicator or press the accelerator to avoid those merging issues. Question: if I become incapacitated I know the car will activate flashers and come to a stop but will the car move to the shoulder or stop on the highway? Anybody ever record a test of this situation?
Mine frequently does the same thing. Try to accelerate hard like it wants to go around the car the right hand side, even though the lane is ending. Just some problem with the software. Once you know, that’s what it does I just take over when I’m going to merge.
konnichiwa. Douzo yoroshiku. nihongo o benkyou ga suki desu.
You talk about how Marge is still broken around 12.4.1 that isn't accurate it is fix but when you are on the highway you're still running v11 so that is why it is broken
How can it be fixed but not fixed?
Sorry I’m playing with you. 😜 I know what you’re saying, but it’s still crazy to me. V11 was the “one stack to rule them all”. It was the long awaited change. Suddenly v12 went backwards with that. I’ll never quite understand it.
@@techgeektesla It went backwards because unlike v11 v12 has no hard coded rules it is just videos of the car doing the right thing that is why you should take over and do the right thing because I believe that when you press the camera button they have to take the time and build from scratch and then drive the car doing the right thing where if you take over than they have something to work with and they can just smooth it out. But I can't confirm this but it make sense to me
@@techgeektesla that is why everyone is waiting for 12.5 we will be back on signal stack
Until 12.5, merging on highway wont be fixed yet
Wow
12.4.1 still uses the old stack, not end-to-end neural networks, on the highway. Perhaps this merging issue could be fixed when they get end-to-end running on the highway?
Driver that is ahead in the merge has right of way, how are yall driving? 😂😂😂 Basically the car to the left should know to slow down as the tesla was ahead of the merge, drivers hold 100% responsibility to be aware of the road at all times.
I think sometimes when Elon says something that others conclude as a lie, they should ask themselves how might he have been speaking the truth to the best of his knowledge at the time of the statement. In this case, I think that you and other critics may not have thought it through but in your defense I have to say that Elon often doesn’t clarify his statements. When you say that his claim of a 5-10 times improvement, what actually might prove him right when you look at what happened to the previous version, 12.3. When it first came out it had lots of improvements needed. By the time it got to 12.3.6 it was much improved over its initial release. In the same way when you compare 12.3.6 to 12.4.1, I don’t think that is a fair comparison because you have not waited for the refinements of 12.4.2, 12.4.3, … maybe 12.4.6 and then pronounce judgement and if it falls short of 5-10x better you can reasonably conclude that Elon’s estimate was wrong but don’t assume it was a lie. I did enjoy your video and appreciate your insights in general!
28:13 _is _*_this version_*_ 5 to 10 times better in terms of miles per intervention? No, definitely not_ _I'm very disappointed that Elon lied another lie_ Two issues. First, it's not *this version* (v12.4.1) Elon claimed would be 5X to 10X better in terms of miles per intervention, it's v12.4; so Tesla has v12.4.2, ... , v12.4.6(?) to make good on this prediction. Second, a lie is a *deliberate* misstatement. Unless you know that Elon was aware that this prediction was false when he made it-and I don't see how you could-and even if the final version doesn't achieve the predicted improvement, it's still not a lie; but at worst a prediction that turned out to be incorrect. Please don't be so ready to make accusations you can't support. Thank you!
That’s precisely what I was trying to say.
Thanks for the vid and taking your time to do this is really appreciated!!
@techgeektesla please don't be discouraged to post your videos for lack of subscribers, whoever watches your video common sense should tell them to subscribe it immediately as I did a while ago. However we both know that common sense is the most uncommon thing in this world. Please keep doing what you do no matter what as you are adding values to our knowledge thus helping our society. Hope you get rewarded somehow for this at least in a passive way!!!
Thank you! I often reflect on the lack of subscribers & wonder what I could do better or differently. I think it’s best to continue experimenting and posting high quality videos regardless. And I know that I’m not the only one battling channel growth. I just need to continue raising the bar and not over analyze. In fact, I rarely analyze the stats. I just look at the number of subs. And that could be part of my issue. 😂 🤣. But, I have some ideas! 👊👊👊 Will do my best to not beg for subs in future vids, it’s certainly not what I want to be doing. I appreciate your thoughtful comment and your support. 🫶🙏
Great video and good assessments from you. I think such information helps to improve Tesla FSD. Greetings from Germany
Hi 🇩🇪!
I understand looking forward but it doesn't make sense that you got to actually tilt your head almost to an uncomfortable position. Looks like you're actually tilding your head upward. Anyway great video Thanks for sharing! 🇺🇸✌️
Have you ever considered selling convenience items at the end of the ride? Like a chart on the back of the seat with things like gum or muffins?
Another small step for mankind. Thank You for this video.
390 (elgin-ohare) west of 53 makes me crazy, my car is forever trying to go 45 when I use fsd on that road. I have disengaged and left a message many times, and it’s still not right. You know people are trying to run you over if you’re less than 70 up there too.
Cool video. If I can suggest a few things. If you do a commentary outside of the ride, just do it while you show fsd driving. It is long enough, not to add additional video material. Putting words like fsd, tesla, betatester, 12.4.1 would improve the number of people watching. And yes, highways stack is old and it will be like that till 12.5 I think. So it is easier to indicate for Tesla to change the lane sooner before merging.
Thank you for the feedback
I really appreciate you taking the time to make these videos for us. I look forward to each one.
Thank you! 🙏 🙇♂️
Highway is still v11. This is why I can’t waiting for 12.5 that’s when Elon said it no longer use V11 on the highway.
Fsd just doesn’t have the bigger traffic picture, as an attentive driver would
How they gonna sextaxi when they can’t even merge?
Tested the refresh 3, lack of turn signal stalks was a major bummer
Comment for the algorithm, already subscribed
Heheh thanks. I’m going to do some experimentation w/ some future videos. There are some other channels that do a lot better than this one with very similar content. It has me a little perplexed, but not to worry, I think I can turn the ship without spoiling things (ie - clickbait titles, too many sponsors, too many ads, etc)
Great vid. Thanks. How ready are we all for 4.2??? What's the hold up? Perfection?
Tesla should have merged well before it was too late.