17:17 If “reality required it (the sacrifice), not God”is reality superior to God? This is basically a ransom from “reality”…
@aisthpaoitht5 ай бұрын
That's what I thought. God sustains reality. If reality requires it God requires it.
@joshuaforeman26116 ай бұрын
Starts 3:50
@susanskelly731210 ай бұрын
God has sent us God's new messenger.
@ragnarrthorsen2792 Жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I needed to hear. Union and non attachment. This had so bolstered my love and faith. I have a Franciscan heart. Thanks.
@jebeau83 Жыл бұрын
Rohr does not speak for all faithful Franciscans.
@jsharp9735 Жыл бұрын
Jesus is the God of the Bible, yet Richard is trying to equate God of the OT to "reality" then taking God's nature out of the equation and inserting his own. In other words breaking the 1st commandment.
@celineghiara9674 Жыл бұрын
I am always spellbound when Fr. Richard speaks. He speaks so wonderfully and opens the heart and mind of people who are listening to him. My life is changed so much for the better after I came to know Richard, listening to him and reading his books.🙏🙏
@troypeterson6615 Жыл бұрын
Can’t agree. Blood sacrifice of the Lamb of God was essential to God forgiving those who were to receive His gracious gift of salvation. Hebrews 9:22 “…without shedding of blood there is no remitting of sin.” How to reconcile Rohr’s theological idea of God being in love of His creation, Scripture says, the sacrificial atonement of Jesus was PRIOR to the creation of the world. Obviously this eternal mystery cannot be fully comprehended. God’s wrath was assuaged at creation. 1 Peter 1:18-20 18knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, 19but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. 20He was foreknown before the foundation of the world.” Revelation 13:8 “…the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.”
@kevingreaux7133 Жыл бұрын
Christians are supposed to expose false teachers. Richard Rohr is a liar and a flaming heretic. God's wrath is real, as much as His love is real. Those who have been saved by the blood of Jesus Christ have been saved from God's wrath, judgement, sin, death, hell , and the grave. Those who haven't been saved by Jesus Christ are under God's wrath and judgement, and if they die in their sins they will go to hell eternally. This is what God's word in the bible clearly says.The full force of God's wrath of His Holy hatred that was supposed to be poured out on us was poured out on Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ took the punishment. He paid the fine. He rose again and sits at the right hand of the power of God. Jesus Christ's sacrifice was perfect because He lived a sinless life.
@shirleywestbury3175 Жыл бұрын
Magnificent to COME into so many new insights!!! THANK YOU AND RICHARD ROHR AND ALL THOSE WHO COMMENTED!!!! Enlightening, INDEED!!!! And thanks to my nephew Adam Westbury who first told me about Richard Rohr!! Blessings everyone!!
@AndrewHorezga Жыл бұрын
never trust a man who doesnt ware the uniform for the job he signed up for...its shows lack of discipline. no one goes to a brain surgeon who wears a thong.
@cmoberg2036 Жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and tomorrow. There is no new gospel, there is no new Christianity or practice thereof. There's only sinful men cherry picking and tinkering with the word of God and what we know to be truth.
@jessewallace12able Жыл бұрын
I am so glad for this.
@laika5757 Жыл бұрын
Allah revealed this to me: "Islam is the fastest imploding religion in the world because more and more Muslims are realising that Mohammad and others (breakdown below) fabricated the Quran to persue their own personal agendas. Islam is nothing but 7th century Arabic tribalism. Muslims are much better and bigger than this supremacist ideology. I love all Muslims as people, but dislike the Supremacist Quranic ideology they follow." 1000% support to all Ex Muslims from 7 billion of us (includes many Muslims)...Lovers of Truth. Breakdown of Quranic inputs as revealed to me by Allah... 10% Mohammad 30% Plagerised from Christian, Jewish and pagan texts. 58% Added on after Mohammad. 1% revealed by Satan (Mohammad said this himself). He later took out these verses. 1% Eaten by a goat (revealed by Muhammad's wife, Ayesha..he married her when she was 6years and he was 53years). 0% Allah.
@carolbowen16932 жыл бұрын
Pharaoh (Ra) means evil, whole Moses is a type of Intercessor/Messiah! As to the golden calf-we can't serve God and mammon-we are to lay up treasures in heaven-what we see is temporal, what is invisible is eternal!
@idajane19742 жыл бұрын
I really wish that those listening to Richard ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDS the deeper meaning that he is saying. With the world going the way it is going, I certain that many DO NOT
@lastwaltz86 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. Unfortunately, there are many judgemental Christians among us, the same condition we see in Jesus' era, before it, and until now
@cherylmburton55772 жыл бұрын
He is full of gross apostasy and heresy!!!!!!!!
@TheGuiltsOfUs2 жыл бұрын
We are all God!
@tombaca65712 жыл бұрын
Straw man: No one ever thought that Jesus came to change the mind of God . So quoting Duns Scotus in this is a trick. --- What an absolute idiot. Absolute bone dead idiocy. He was a terrible student at St. Francis Seminary and Duns Scotus College. Who knows what the hell he learned at St. Leonards. Ugh. middle of the road student. Really? Ugh. He has no idea what mystical thinking is. His quoting of Anselm is just plain wrong. BS on his idea that the debt was being paid to the devil..... Where did he come up with this BS.
@jeziscricket44483 жыл бұрын
2 Thessalonians 3:14 Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter, in order that they may feel ashamed.
@cherylmburton55772 жыл бұрын
Amen!
@deniskavanagh91743 жыл бұрын
St. Paul spoke of the greatest of these is love in faith and hope. The idea of trying to understand the gospels through the lens of the jewish faith only left us with a dualistic answer of the scapegoat. Jesus dying for our sins a debt paid instead of the Atonement model which is a higher more perfect understanding.
@theguyver49342 жыл бұрын
Wait I'm confused what are you trying to say
@jazdtildawn3 жыл бұрын
Brueggemann breaks it down. There are so many gems in this conversation.
@TMPreRaff3 жыл бұрын
"Alternative Orthodoxy" is an oxymoron.
@duncescotus23423 жыл бұрын
There are no alternatives to orthodoxy any more than there are alternatives to magnetic north on a compass. (There may be slight "deviations." Be wise, people of God.)
@jhq9064 Жыл бұрын
The Ultimate Reconciliation of All Things was orthodox the first 400 to 500 years of Christianity.
@duncescotus2342 Жыл бұрын
@@jhq9064 Not so! "The end of a matter is greater than its beginning."
@robertgregg9793 жыл бұрын
The crackling in his voice just represents a complete and utter nonsensical overdeveloped emotionalism that has absolutely no place and salvation! This is the man that has mocked God calling into question his means of justification. How Clear is it that justification for humanity can only be got from a sinless person!
@edwardherod60723 жыл бұрын
return to fasting
@deniskavanagh91743 жыл бұрын
If the basic concepts of Christianity does not rise above A tribe mentality and speak to higher concepts the trinity then It will devolve into the dualistic Rut it's been in since the middle of the 17th century and the 3 rd grade level of understanding of Christianity will fade away.
@aisthpaoitht5 ай бұрын
Rahner said the future Christian will be a mystic. It seems the only way.
@Cos2633 жыл бұрын
Quid pro quo?! Oh, how that term has taken on such a new and terrifying dimension in the tRumpian age of post truth, anti-democracy, and deceit
@kevinrombouts30273 жыл бұрын
A great forum. Excellent explanation from Richard. Thanks so much. Will use this with family and friends.
@theguyver49342 жыл бұрын
One question aren't you afraid that the legacy of Christianity (creed of Jesus and his apostles) will not last forever or that Islam will take over aren't you ever in doubt's
@peggyharris38153 жыл бұрын
So happy he mentioned René Girard.
@nakayembamalita58373 жыл бұрын
Richard Rohr you're teaching the kind of philosophy Apostle Paul warned us about. Now I see what Melissa was saying. So saddening you're misleading so many
@Cos2633 жыл бұрын
Real white
@johnstewart70254 жыл бұрын
Nondual thinking isnt rational but that does not mean it is meaningless. The bible often is allegorical and not literal. The church teaching that jesus is man and god is a mystery to me. It only seems to mean there was a man and there is god. But in some way they are the same.
@theguyver49342 жыл бұрын
There are many Christians who believe the holy Bible and believe that Jesus pbuh was only a human and that God is not triune but one
@philspohn4 жыл бұрын
Emergence Christianity is breathing new life into my Christian Faith. At my church we say, "We take the Bible Seriously, not Literally". Emergence Christianity give hope to many I know.
@tallmikbcroft6937 Жыл бұрын
How is your church going now? 2 years in?
@phoenixkennedy59274 жыл бұрын
Bernadette Roberts claimed to be "more orthodox than the Orthodox": www.amazon.com/Saving-Christianity-Christians-free-all-ebook/dp/B0848XDK8G/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=phoenix+kennedy&qid=1590768954&s=digital-text&sr=1-1
@mortyfinchlavich27564 жыл бұрын
kzread.info/head/RDw1R8MP3GGGs&feature=share&playnext=1 The Light of $miles (Meditate,DWELL on,and Practice this Daily) I will light the match of God'$ smiles. My gloom veil will disappear. I Shall Behold my soul in the light of HIS smiles, hidden behind the accumulated darkness of Ages. When I find myself, in God's presence, I shall race through all hearts with the torch of HI$ + $oul = $miles. My heart will smile first, then my eyes and my face. Every body ~ part will $hine in the light of HI$=$miles... I will run amid the thickets of melancholy hearts and make a bonfire of all sorrows. I am the irresistible fire of Our Father God'$ $miles. I will fan myself with the breeze of God'$ ~ Joy and Blaze my way through the darkness of all Minds. My $miles will convey Our Father'$ $miles and whoever meets me will catch a whiff of Our Divine Joy. I will carry fragrant purifying torches of The Joy of The Lord as my $tronge$t $mile$ For All Heart$... Nehemiah 8:11 is fulfilled in the reading of this text! Now Let Us give the God of Glory a wave offering on behalf of those who are about to enter into God's presence Today! In the name of our Lord Christ Jesus Hallelujah and amen!....
@stephenfurlong75054 жыл бұрын
At one ment
@mypublicchannel38844 жыл бұрын
You are well versed and well received in your iterations on the greatest source of darkness to envelop the planet - Christianity. You know nothing. Absolutely nothing. Your every thought and word revolves around abject fiction. You would have done just as well to base your life on any of the Harry Potter novels. They rival your bible in validity and tether to reality. Your blindness is perfected. The very first clue that your delusion is air tight won't arrive until your next transition to formlessness. You will completely waste this entire incarnation. Your monumental ego will insure it. You are impervious to reality.
@KingdomUploader4 жыл бұрын
So, between the four major views of the atonement, are you all saying that we should Embrace the "Christus Victor" view?
@raulbaquero50814 жыл бұрын
Do anyone here know why I couldn't open this video ?
@monikatrevors99143 жыл бұрын
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@brandydinsmore82144 жыл бұрын
Love the opening music!
@jean-frederic-pascalgoddar98014 жыл бұрын
Not all franciscans are heretic
@jean-frederic-pascalgoddar98014 жыл бұрын
Pope francis is opening the church to paganism. Heresy is lurking in the shadows
@jean-frederic-pascalgoddar98014 жыл бұрын
Orthodoxy,why alternative?traditionalist Church insures my salvation say the rosary in latin at least once a day go to confession receive the eucharist .
@sevenswords87814 жыл бұрын
hello If you ever read a book wrote by Bella Dobbs she explains her role as a Communist party member and it was to recruit young atheists for the Catholic priesthood. this is the product of her implants....No Salvation needed just personal experiences behind closed doors...
@sevenswords87814 жыл бұрын
hello If you ever read a book wrote by Bella Dobbs she explains her role as a Communist party member and it was to recruit young atheists for the Catholic priesthood. this is the product of her implants....No Salvation needed just personal experiences behind closed doors...
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17:17 If “reality required it (the sacrifice), not God”is reality superior to God? This is basically a ransom from “reality”…
That's what I thought. God sustains reality. If reality requires it God requires it.
Starts 3:50
God has sent us God's new messenger.
This is exactly what I needed to hear. Union and non attachment. This had so bolstered my love and faith. I have a Franciscan heart. Thanks.
Rohr does not speak for all faithful Franciscans.
Jesus is the God of the Bible, yet Richard is trying to equate God of the OT to "reality" then taking God's nature out of the equation and inserting his own. In other words breaking the 1st commandment.
I am always spellbound when Fr. Richard speaks. He speaks so wonderfully and opens the heart and mind of people who are listening to him. My life is changed so much for the better after I came to know Richard, listening to him and reading his books.🙏🙏
Can’t agree. Blood sacrifice of the Lamb of God was essential to God forgiving those who were to receive His gracious gift of salvation. Hebrews 9:22 “…without shedding of blood there is no remitting of sin.” How to reconcile Rohr’s theological idea of God being in love of His creation, Scripture says, the sacrificial atonement of Jesus was PRIOR to the creation of the world. Obviously this eternal mystery cannot be fully comprehended. God’s wrath was assuaged at creation. 1 Peter 1:18-20 18knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, 19but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. 20He was foreknown before the foundation of the world.” Revelation 13:8 “…the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.”
Christians are supposed to expose false teachers. Richard Rohr is a liar and a flaming heretic. God's wrath is real, as much as His love is real. Those who have been saved by the blood of Jesus Christ have been saved from God's wrath, judgement, sin, death, hell , and the grave. Those who haven't been saved by Jesus Christ are under God's wrath and judgement, and if they die in their sins they will go to hell eternally. This is what God's word in the bible clearly says.The full force of God's wrath of His Holy hatred that was supposed to be poured out on us was poured out on Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ took the punishment. He paid the fine. He rose again and sits at the right hand of the power of God. Jesus Christ's sacrifice was perfect because He lived a sinless life.
Magnificent to COME into so many new insights!!! THANK YOU AND RICHARD ROHR AND ALL THOSE WHO COMMENTED!!!! Enlightening, INDEED!!!! And thanks to my nephew Adam Westbury who first told me about Richard Rohr!! Blessings everyone!!
never trust a man who doesnt ware the uniform for the job he signed up for...its shows lack of discipline. no one goes to a brain surgeon who wears a thong.
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and tomorrow. There is no new gospel, there is no new Christianity or practice thereof. There's only sinful men cherry picking and tinkering with the word of God and what we know to be truth.
I am so glad for this.
Allah revealed this to me: "Islam is the fastest imploding religion in the world because more and more Muslims are realising that Mohammad and others (breakdown below) fabricated the Quran to persue their own personal agendas. Islam is nothing but 7th century Arabic tribalism. Muslims are much better and bigger than this supremacist ideology. I love all Muslims as people, but dislike the Supremacist Quranic ideology they follow." 1000% support to all Ex Muslims from 7 billion of us (includes many Muslims)...Lovers of Truth. Breakdown of Quranic inputs as revealed to me by Allah... 10% Mohammad 30% Plagerised from Christian, Jewish and pagan texts. 58% Added on after Mohammad. 1% revealed by Satan (Mohammad said this himself). He later took out these verses. 1% Eaten by a goat (revealed by Muhammad's wife, Ayesha..he married her when she was 6years and he was 53years). 0% Allah.
Pharaoh (Ra) means evil, whole Moses is a type of Intercessor/Messiah! As to the golden calf-we can't serve God and mammon-we are to lay up treasures in heaven-what we see is temporal, what is invisible is eternal!
I really wish that those listening to Richard ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDS the deeper meaning that he is saying. With the world going the way it is going, I certain that many DO NOT
Exactly. Unfortunately, there are many judgemental Christians among us, the same condition we see in Jesus' era, before it, and until now
He is full of gross apostasy and heresy!!!!!!!!
We are all God!
Straw man: No one ever thought that Jesus came to change the mind of God . So quoting Duns Scotus in this is a trick. --- What an absolute idiot. Absolute bone dead idiocy. He was a terrible student at St. Francis Seminary and Duns Scotus College. Who knows what the hell he learned at St. Leonards. Ugh. middle of the road student. Really? Ugh. He has no idea what mystical thinking is. His quoting of Anselm is just plain wrong. BS on his idea that the debt was being paid to the devil..... Where did he come up with this BS.
2 Thessalonians 3:14 Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter, in order that they may feel ashamed.
Amen!
St. Paul spoke of the greatest of these is love in faith and hope. The idea of trying to understand the gospels through the lens of the jewish faith only left us with a dualistic answer of the scapegoat. Jesus dying for our sins a debt paid instead of the Atonement model which is a higher more perfect understanding.
Wait I'm confused what are you trying to say
Brueggemann breaks it down. There are so many gems in this conversation.
"Alternative Orthodoxy" is an oxymoron.
There are no alternatives to orthodoxy any more than there are alternatives to magnetic north on a compass. (There may be slight "deviations." Be wise, people of God.)
The Ultimate Reconciliation of All Things was orthodox the first 400 to 500 years of Christianity.
@@jhq9064 Not so! "The end of a matter is greater than its beginning."
The crackling in his voice just represents a complete and utter nonsensical overdeveloped emotionalism that has absolutely no place and salvation! This is the man that has mocked God calling into question his means of justification. How Clear is it that justification for humanity can only be got from a sinless person!
return to fasting
If the basic concepts of Christianity does not rise above A tribe mentality and speak to higher concepts the trinity then It will devolve into the dualistic Rut it's been in since the middle of the 17th century and the 3 rd grade level of understanding of Christianity will fade away.
Rahner said the future Christian will be a mystic. It seems the only way.
Quid pro quo?! Oh, how that term has taken on such a new and terrifying dimension in the tRumpian age of post truth, anti-democracy, and deceit
A great forum. Excellent explanation from Richard. Thanks so much. Will use this with family and friends.
One question aren't you afraid that the legacy of Christianity (creed of Jesus and his apostles) will not last forever or that Islam will take over aren't you ever in doubt's
So happy he mentioned René Girard.
Richard Rohr you're teaching the kind of philosophy Apostle Paul warned us about. Now I see what Melissa was saying. So saddening you're misleading so many
Real white
Nondual thinking isnt rational but that does not mean it is meaningless. The bible often is allegorical and not literal. The church teaching that jesus is man and god is a mystery to me. It only seems to mean there was a man and there is god. But in some way they are the same.
There are many Christians who believe the holy Bible and believe that Jesus pbuh was only a human and that God is not triune but one
Emergence Christianity is breathing new life into my Christian Faith. At my church we say, "We take the Bible Seriously, not Literally". Emergence Christianity give hope to many I know.
How is your church going now? 2 years in?
Bernadette Roberts claimed to be "more orthodox than the Orthodox": www.amazon.com/Saving-Christianity-Christians-free-all-ebook/dp/B0848XDK8G/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=phoenix+kennedy&qid=1590768954&s=digital-text&sr=1-1
kzread.info/head/RDw1R8MP3GGGs&feature=share&playnext=1 The Light of $miles (Meditate,DWELL on,and Practice this Daily) I will light the match of God'$ smiles. My gloom veil will disappear. I Shall Behold my soul in the light of HIS smiles, hidden behind the accumulated darkness of Ages. When I find myself, in God's presence, I shall race through all hearts with the torch of HI$ + $oul = $miles. My heart will smile first, then my eyes and my face. Every body ~ part will $hine in the light of HI$=$miles... I will run amid the thickets of melancholy hearts and make a bonfire of all sorrows. I am the irresistible fire of Our Father God'$ $miles. I will fan myself with the breeze of God'$ ~ Joy and Blaze my way through the darkness of all Minds. My $miles will convey Our Father'$ $miles and whoever meets me will catch a whiff of Our Divine Joy. I will carry fragrant purifying torches of The Joy of The Lord as my $tronge$t $mile$ For All Heart$... Nehemiah 8:11 is fulfilled in the reading of this text! Now Let Us give the God of Glory a wave offering on behalf of those who are about to enter into God's presence Today! In the name of our Lord Christ Jesus Hallelujah and amen!....
At one ment
You are well versed and well received in your iterations on the greatest source of darkness to envelop the planet - Christianity. You know nothing. Absolutely nothing. Your every thought and word revolves around abject fiction. You would have done just as well to base your life on any of the Harry Potter novels. They rival your bible in validity and tether to reality. Your blindness is perfected. The very first clue that your delusion is air tight won't arrive until your next transition to formlessness. You will completely waste this entire incarnation. Your monumental ego will insure it. You are impervious to reality.
So, between the four major views of the atonement, are you all saying that we should Embrace the "Christus Victor" view?
Do anyone here know why I couldn't open this video ?
*Only 18* 👇👇👇 872891.loveisreal.ru
Love the opening music!
Not all franciscans are heretic
Pope francis is opening the church to paganism. Heresy is lurking in the shadows
Orthodoxy,why alternative?traditionalist Church insures my salvation say the rosary in latin at least once a day go to confession receive the eucharist .
hello If you ever read a book wrote by Bella Dobbs she explains her role as a Communist party member and it was to recruit young atheists for the Catholic priesthood. this is the product of her implants....No Salvation needed just personal experiences behind closed doors...
hello If you ever read a book wrote by Bella Dobbs she explains her role as a Communist party member and it was to recruit young atheists for the Catholic priesthood. this is the product of her implants....No Salvation needed just personal experiences behind closed doors...