heyhey! Like your list, anything you changed on it?
@FINXMTG-sl3nm21 күн бұрын
Thanks! I haven't really made recent updates. I like playing the deck in the current style. There are newer cards like Up the Beanstalk, Invasion of Ikoria, Fanatic of Rhonas, Goldvein Hydra, and others that seem that they might fit well though.
@sandrosasa1Ай бұрын
Great video! What would i have to upgrade to increase the deck power level? Just fast mana? Is that version better than the 1/1 tokens one?
@FINXMTG-sl3nm21 күн бұрын
I like the Spellslinger version because you can win on a single big turn and out of nowhere. The 1/1 version you would need to either have another card that enables haste, or a card like impact tremors on the board which sends warning signals to the opponents when cast. To be higher power you may want to focus on more infinite combos for damage, card draw, and mana and tutors to get there. If you had isochron scepter, dramatic reversal, mana rocks, and grapeshot that is a storm win right there. Some of the combos in Izzet Blue/Red are more conducive to Niv-Mizzet as commander because you can combo with a single card like curiosity. I like playing at this power level with Ghyrson because it makes it feel more in tune with the theme of the commander, I haven't brewed too much on increasing the power level, but good luck with any upgrades you may have!
@SkorianDnbАй бұрын
Thanks for the Deck Tech. Just want to point out that Archon of Coronation does not prevent losing the Monarch, it just prevents damage. Still a cool include.
@rylanfreeze1095Ай бұрын
Tandem lookout is a mandatory add. It's a curiosity effect which can ping-pong onto another creature, so if your commander dies you can still get some card draw switching to kessig if it enters the battlefield
@FINXMTG-sl3nmАй бұрын
Tandem Lookout also opens up a number of avenues for infinite combos if you would like to go that route.
@MdeMoUcH3 ай бұрын
Chatterfang doesnt double the tokens, just add one more... Good video!
@jacobsweet92702 ай бұрын
It says, those tokens plus that many squirrels so it does double.
@tonyontilt35222 ай бұрын
Wrong. Makes a squirrel for each token created
@Ic36On4 ай бұрын
I like your detailed review - unfortunately the moxfield deck did not match the video review. 😢
@NeverShoutScoty5 ай бұрын
Queen Marchesa was my first commander deck! I switched to Winota but then realized it’s way to OP so switched back to the Queen and it’s so much fun! And the fact you make games go faster is a plus cause so many people sit back and this deck gets things going! Love the deck and will try adding some cards you have to spice it up. Long may she reign!
@austindutton29985 ай бұрын
Enjoyed the video! One quick note, though: I don’t believe that Cloakwood Hermit works with tokens, because even though they hit the grave, they are not creature cards and hermit only cares about the ‘card status’. it’s the same reason that the new descend mechanic does not work with tokens either because they aren’t permanent ‘cards.’
@FINXMTG-sl3nm5 ай бұрын
Wow, nice catch! I never noticed that naming methodology before.
@OfficerCresky4 ай бұрын
It actually would work. It depends on the actual cards themselves, aka it does with chatterfangs creations. Squirrels if I am not mistaken (if im wrong slap me) they are Creature tokens. or Token Creatures. And since they hit the requirement of it being a creature card, then it still would reach that requirement. It doesnt say anything about it being a permanent within the card text of the enchantment. It just says, "If a creature card was put into your graveyard".
@austindutton29984 ай бұрын
@@OfficerCresky on the battlefield tokens are considered permanents, but not cards. This means they still hit the graveyard to trigger cards like Blood Artist; but unfortunately, they do not work with Cloakwood Hermit or the new Descend cards. Hermit specifically asks for Creature Cards and tokens don’t meet that requirement. Legally, I believe WOTC says you can use anything to represent a token (not just cards; dice are often used) as long as it is fully understood by all players and doesn’t cause confusion.
@OfficerCresky4 ай бұрын
@austindutton2998 how do they not meet that requirement? They are creature tokens, much like there are artifact tokens, and yes they may have anything represent them, they are still a permanent representing the object they are a token of. Still a creature, or an artifact. It's merely looking for the creature subtype, and since it states everywhere. Then discards are also plausible. The readout is the same as on Sarulf World Eater, which requires enemy permanents. Same concept, just different targets that require it to proc. Additionally, there are no rules negating that ability working as such in the gatherer website
@michaelearl12094 ай бұрын
A squirrel token is a creature permanent, but it is not a creature card. Tokens are not considered “cards”
@ramuslatsman69445 ай бұрын
Good to note that Eligeth is a bit of a nonbo since it turns off all your abilities that trigger on scrying
@FINXMTG-sl3nm5 ай бұрын
I do like the Eligeth replacement effect of drawing cards instead though!
@justin20395 ай бұрын
Worth considering that you can break the Niv loop by targeting a creature with the ping.
@FINXMTG-sl3nm5 ай бұрын
Important Note!
@ideshatred62955 ай бұрын
Great decktech! I really liked the inclusion of a lot of the monarchy matters cards, it seems like a lot of newer decklists for marchesa dont have those. Seems like a big flavor win especially if they can work out pretty well
@sebastianponzo895 ай бұрын
This is my first and main commander. Here's my secret tech: any ramp spell under 5cmc that fufills synergy and casting Kru ASAP. Get mana pool to sustain past 10+ a turn and clear board of threats while remaing under devotion. (Cyclonic rift, isochron scepter combo, stasis, howling mine + icy manipulator) Dont mana dump and leave yourself open, if you do know the accepted risks. X spells are the main culprit for my losses, leaving your colored mana empty is a big no no. Going the creature route is more fun, going stax and 2card win combos is also a thing though.
@dave_by_day76326 ай бұрын
This deck seems to have only a 5 creatures that are 5 or less mana. How does it survive the early game?
@FINXMTG-sl3nm5 ай бұрын
You’re right, the hardest part is surviving until you can make your big plays. I usually try to: 1. Try and not be the threat early on, you are just ramping, other players will develop their board and are usually seen as threatening to win the game earlier and draw more pressure. Make sure you have ramp in your opening hand or it will be a rough game. 2. Aetherize is huge and has won me games, you only need to use it when an opponent goes all in on attacking you, don’t use it on just 1-2 creatures. 3. Aetherize, Aethersprouts, Flood of Tears, Cyclonic Rift, and All is dust are used to stall the game to get to Eldrazi, or if you draw it late game, to set up for the win. Since we ramp, we should be able to play board wipes a turn or two earlier then a standard deck, which really helps. 4. Punish people that attack you specifically: Utilize Beast Within, Pongify, Enbringer’s ability, Ugin, and Predator Flagship to target player’s creatures only when they decide to attack you, this can tend to hold off other players from committing more to attack you. 5. if someone is going to combo off with a creature combo or tokens to deal massive damage in 1 turn that is when you use also can utilize counterspells to make it to late game.
@xNemesiSxPR6 ай бұрын
my queen marchesa deck is similar to this one. is not super powerful, but is a lot of fun specially if everyone is in the same page and power lvl. This one is probably better since it have the ring, mine doesnt for obvious reasons tho i could use a proxy lol. fun deck and commander
@marksattler14866 ай бұрын
How much cost the deck
@FINXMTG-sl3nm6 ай бұрын
Probably around 500-700 depending on which version of the cards you are adding in, the borderless/extended art foils, or the base cards. The 3 cards: The One Ring, Forth Eorlingas!, and Beseech the Mirror are the priciest at this time.
@danieldejesusyanezhernande46757 ай бұрын
have u thought about a route of using cards like impact trremors with the cards that generate red devil tokens, the ones when they die they deal 1 damage to anything?
@FINXMTG-sl3nm7 ай бұрын
I do like the tremor type damage dealing. When making this deck I went the spellslinger route because it did not work well when going both spellslinger/creature maker. If you make the deck for the creature damage the little devils do a great job of pinging for extra damage, and I originally had some of those devil maker cards in the sideboard. Add in a sac outlet like Phyrexian Altar and it could get pretty crazy. Using a goblins strat and using Krenko with impact Tremors would be pretty fun too!
@FINXMTG-sl3nm7 ай бұрын
I might modify to a few versions of the deck to see which is the most fun
@danieldejesusyanezhernande46757 ай бұрын
@@FINXMTG-sl3nm Will be eager to see the results! I wanna build this commander
@episqol7 ай бұрын
I assume this deck absolutely should play Doubling Cube
@FINXMTG-sl3nm7 ай бұрын
Oh Yea, that would work pretty well and also be nuts with Seedborne Muse!
@joshdean60019 ай бұрын
Nice video man, I have a similar deck but went with Elrond Master of Healing as the commander.
@tylernol511310 ай бұрын
I wanted to make this guy but 1 power tokens or goblins. Use the blue to draw and get to them tokens/goblins.
@FINXMTG-sl3nm10 ай бұрын
Should be a fun direction as well. Cards like Krenko work well with creating the token army. Just need to have recursion or protection from board wipes!
@valkaerion10 ай бұрын
I like big mana spells and I cannot lie 🙃
@valkaerion10 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing this, I'm looking to build something quite similar so probably will give this list a try as well!
@horacehermann10 ай бұрын
'promo sm' 🤦
@MutantPanda15510 ай бұрын
How do you feel about the ratio of pingers (both Timmy’s and cast triggers) to spells? I’ve been brewing a Ghyrson deck and was leaning more towards the spellslinger side of things but when I’m testing it I always feel like I either have too many or not enough spells in the deck. How did having 30 spells perform in this deck?
@FINXMTG-sl3nm10 ай бұрын
Going heavier on the spellslinger side made the deck more consistent and less susceptible to board wipes. I usually only need 2 creatures in play that ping opps for 1 damage on a spell to start whittling down life totals. Hold back 1-2 other guys in case their is interaction or board wipe and you can rebuild quickly. Then you can set up for 1 turn to finish off opponents with some of the better spells or recursion of spells in your graveyard. Since a lot of the spells are cantrips they can also draw into your other Pingers if you are short. Timmy's are fun, but too slow - the more you have the less competitive the deck seems.
@djludowici53611 ай бұрын
Hey mate. Looks great but your moxfield link is broken. Thanks for the tips as I want to build a deck for her
@FINXMTG-sl3nm11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the heads-up. Seems to be an issue with the site modifying the link and I am trying to find a workaround.
@AdaWongMistress11 ай бұрын
I like these slow deck profiles that show each card with explanations, show more decks
@yocpo256811 ай бұрын
Good vid, keep it up man!
@vincentcarlino327411 ай бұрын
I’m building a Galadriel deck and this helped me a lot, thank you!
@uriahfutch11 ай бұрын
Just played with a deck like this! It was fun seeing all this big creatures on the field and causing chaos!
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heyhey! Like your list, anything you changed on it?
Thanks! I haven't really made recent updates. I like playing the deck in the current style. There are newer cards like Up the Beanstalk, Invasion of Ikoria, Fanatic of Rhonas, Goldvein Hydra, and others that seem that they might fit well though.
Great video! What would i have to upgrade to increase the deck power level? Just fast mana? Is that version better than the 1/1 tokens one?
I like the Spellslinger version because you can win on a single big turn and out of nowhere. The 1/1 version you would need to either have another card that enables haste, or a card like impact tremors on the board which sends warning signals to the opponents when cast. To be higher power you may want to focus on more infinite combos for damage, card draw, and mana and tutors to get there. If you had isochron scepter, dramatic reversal, mana rocks, and grapeshot that is a storm win right there. Some of the combos in Izzet Blue/Red are more conducive to Niv-Mizzet as commander because you can combo with a single card like curiosity. I like playing at this power level with Ghyrson because it makes it feel more in tune with the theme of the commander, I haven't brewed too much on increasing the power level, but good luck with any upgrades you may have!
Thanks for the Deck Tech. Just want to point out that Archon of Coronation does not prevent losing the Monarch, it just prevents damage. Still a cool include.
Tandem lookout is a mandatory add. It's a curiosity effect which can ping-pong onto another creature, so if your commander dies you can still get some card draw switching to kessig if it enters the battlefield
Tandem Lookout also opens up a number of avenues for infinite combos if you would like to go that route.
Chatterfang doesnt double the tokens, just add one more... Good video!
It says, those tokens plus that many squirrels so it does double.
Wrong. Makes a squirrel for each token created
I like your detailed review - unfortunately the moxfield deck did not match the video review. 😢
Queen Marchesa was my first commander deck! I switched to Winota but then realized it’s way to OP so switched back to the Queen and it’s so much fun! And the fact you make games go faster is a plus cause so many people sit back and this deck gets things going! Love the deck and will try adding some cards you have to spice it up. Long may she reign!
Enjoyed the video! One quick note, though: I don’t believe that Cloakwood Hermit works with tokens, because even though they hit the grave, they are not creature cards and hermit only cares about the ‘card status’. it’s the same reason that the new descend mechanic does not work with tokens either because they aren’t permanent ‘cards.’
Wow, nice catch! I never noticed that naming methodology before.
It actually would work. It depends on the actual cards themselves, aka it does with chatterfangs creations. Squirrels if I am not mistaken (if im wrong slap me) they are Creature tokens. or Token Creatures. And since they hit the requirement of it being a creature card, then it still would reach that requirement. It doesnt say anything about it being a permanent within the card text of the enchantment. It just says, "If a creature card was put into your graveyard".
@@OfficerCresky on the battlefield tokens are considered permanents, but not cards. This means they still hit the graveyard to trigger cards like Blood Artist; but unfortunately, they do not work with Cloakwood Hermit or the new Descend cards. Hermit specifically asks for Creature Cards and tokens don’t meet that requirement. Legally, I believe WOTC says you can use anything to represent a token (not just cards; dice are often used) as long as it is fully understood by all players and doesn’t cause confusion.
@austindutton2998 how do they not meet that requirement? They are creature tokens, much like there are artifact tokens, and yes they may have anything represent them, they are still a permanent representing the object they are a token of. Still a creature, or an artifact. It's merely looking for the creature subtype, and since it states everywhere. Then discards are also plausible. The readout is the same as on Sarulf World Eater, which requires enemy permanents. Same concept, just different targets that require it to proc. Additionally, there are no rules negating that ability working as such in the gatherer website
A squirrel token is a creature permanent, but it is not a creature card. Tokens are not considered “cards”
Good to note that Eligeth is a bit of a nonbo since it turns off all your abilities that trigger on scrying
I do like the Eligeth replacement effect of drawing cards instead though!
Worth considering that you can break the Niv loop by targeting a creature with the ping.
Important Note!
Great decktech! I really liked the inclusion of a lot of the monarchy matters cards, it seems like a lot of newer decklists for marchesa dont have those. Seems like a big flavor win especially if they can work out pretty well
This is my first and main commander. Here's my secret tech: any ramp spell under 5cmc that fufills synergy and casting Kru ASAP. Get mana pool to sustain past 10+ a turn and clear board of threats while remaing under devotion. (Cyclonic rift, isochron scepter combo, stasis, howling mine + icy manipulator) Dont mana dump and leave yourself open, if you do know the accepted risks. X spells are the main culprit for my losses, leaving your colored mana empty is a big no no. Going the creature route is more fun, going stax and 2card win combos is also a thing though.
This deck seems to have only a 5 creatures that are 5 or less mana. How does it survive the early game?
You’re right, the hardest part is surviving until you can make your big plays. I usually try to: 1. Try and not be the threat early on, you are just ramping, other players will develop their board and are usually seen as threatening to win the game earlier and draw more pressure. Make sure you have ramp in your opening hand or it will be a rough game. 2. Aetherize is huge and has won me games, you only need to use it when an opponent goes all in on attacking you, don’t use it on just 1-2 creatures. 3. Aetherize, Aethersprouts, Flood of Tears, Cyclonic Rift, and All is dust are used to stall the game to get to Eldrazi, or if you draw it late game, to set up for the win. Since we ramp, we should be able to play board wipes a turn or two earlier then a standard deck, which really helps. 4. Punish people that attack you specifically: Utilize Beast Within, Pongify, Enbringer’s ability, Ugin, and Predator Flagship to target player’s creatures only when they decide to attack you, this can tend to hold off other players from committing more to attack you. 5. if someone is going to combo off with a creature combo or tokens to deal massive damage in 1 turn that is when you use also can utilize counterspells to make it to late game.
my queen marchesa deck is similar to this one. is not super powerful, but is a lot of fun specially if everyone is in the same page and power lvl. This one is probably better since it have the ring, mine doesnt for obvious reasons tho i could use a proxy lol. fun deck and commander
How much cost the deck
Probably around 500-700 depending on which version of the cards you are adding in, the borderless/extended art foils, or the base cards. The 3 cards: The One Ring, Forth Eorlingas!, and Beseech the Mirror are the priciest at this time.
have u thought about a route of using cards like impact trremors with the cards that generate red devil tokens, the ones when they die they deal 1 damage to anything?
I do like the tremor type damage dealing. When making this deck I went the spellslinger route because it did not work well when going both spellslinger/creature maker. If you make the deck for the creature damage the little devils do a great job of pinging for extra damage, and I originally had some of those devil maker cards in the sideboard. Add in a sac outlet like Phyrexian Altar and it could get pretty crazy. Using a goblins strat and using Krenko with impact Tremors would be pretty fun too!
I might modify to a few versions of the deck to see which is the most fun
@@FINXMTG-sl3nm Will be eager to see the results! I wanna build this commander
I assume this deck absolutely should play Doubling Cube
Oh Yea, that would work pretty well and also be nuts with Seedborne Muse!
Nice video man, I have a similar deck but went with Elrond Master of Healing as the commander.
I wanted to make this guy but 1 power tokens or goblins. Use the blue to draw and get to them tokens/goblins.
Should be a fun direction as well. Cards like Krenko work well with creating the token army. Just need to have recursion or protection from board wipes!
I like big mana spells and I cannot lie 🙃
Thanks for sharing this, I'm looking to build something quite similar so probably will give this list a try as well!
'promo sm' 🤦
How do you feel about the ratio of pingers (both Timmy’s and cast triggers) to spells? I’ve been brewing a Ghyrson deck and was leaning more towards the spellslinger side of things but when I’m testing it I always feel like I either have too many or not enough spells in the deck. How did having 30 spells perform in this deck?
Going heavier on the spellslinger side made the deck more consistent and less susceptible to board wipes. I usually only need 2 creatures in play that ping opps for 1 damage on a spell to start whittling down life totals. Hold back 1-2 other guys in case their is interaction or board wipe and you can rebuild quickly. Then you can set up for 1 turn to finish off opponents with some of the better spells or recursion of spells in your graveyard. Since a lot of the spells are cantrips they can also draw into your other Pingers if you are short. Timmy's are fun, but too slow - the more you have the less competitive the deck seems.
Hey mate. Looks great but your moxfield link is broken. Thanks for the tips as I want to build a deck for her
Thanks for the heads-up. Seems to be an issue with the site modifying the link and I am trying to find a workaround.
I like these slow deck profiles that show each card with explanations, show more decks
Good vid, keep it up man!
I’m building a Galadriel deck and this helped me a lot, thank you!
Just played with a deck like this! It was fun seeing all this big creatures on the field and causing chaos!