We're enjoying the show overall, but we really love Zuko and Iroh. What are your thoughts on those characters?

@elleanjackson5388

4 ай бұрын

Where's episode 5

@cubandeathryder88

4 ай бұрын

Did episode 5 get taken down or something?

@FROZEN-pd3ls

4 ай бұрын

Pleased don't tell me we missed 5

@jesusleon32

4 ай бұрын

Where is episode 5???

@AvatarTheLastPodcasters

4 ай бұрын

Zuko was always some of the strongest story. As for Aang I think they are doing something interesting with him with the responsibility of power. Aang keeps trying to give himself over to others so they can handle the not only the power but the sorrow it comes from welding such power. Ozai is great, and daniel dae Kim is great, so glad my fan cast of him lead to him being cast.... I'm being delusional.

The fact that Zuko's crew is the 41st division was the best change in this series. It made Zuko even more respectable. He is by far my favourite character in the live action.

@adrianjamesdelfin7414

4 ай бұрын

They better bring them back next season. Since they have been developed this much.

@tm_35

4 ай бұрын

I teared up for sure, I think they're doing a good job at subverting expectations for those who saw the OG.. nd zuko was in my top 5 characters of all time but I think he's my favorite now lol

The arc with the 41st is hands down the best change from the original show. It's one of those changes that ADDS instead of takes away or is an unnecessary change. It's this moment where Zuko evolves from the whiney, stuck up version of himself. It makes him more complete and makes the attitude he's been harboring make much more sense. It also shows off the chemistry between him and Iroh. Definitely my favorite episode of the series so far.

I'm glad you added that Zuko's scream was very Zuko because I thought the same! Small details like that really makes me appreciate the research the actors did. Especially Dallas Lui, he did amazing as Zuko.

@TheTruth-13

4 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t call watching the show research

@friendsdontlie011

4 ай бұрын

@@TheTruth-13 It kind of is though. Watching the show yes but also studying the specific character you're playing.

Ngl, the twist with Zuko was so beautiful that I wish it was a part of the original series, and that’s from an og fan.

@acktan9082

4 ай бұрын

what changes it is about thr 41? its been years i dont remember

@jayp9881

4 ай бұрын

​@@acktan9082 it's simply that in the og they were just a troop that was along for his mission. Now they've changed it so these people instead of being sent to their deaths in war they were sent with zuko ultimately saving their lives. It adds an explained reason why these people maybe loyal to zuko as well as just adding to zukos character. I wouldn't really call it a change as nothing was exchanged it's just a good addition to his story

@derfritz4550

4 ай бұрын

well i like this change too (and i overall dont like the NATLA show much) but in the Cartoon the fate of the crew is completely different as in the LA...in the Cartoon season 1 the crew gets taken over by Zhaos Preparations for invading the North and he blows up Zuko shortly after...so the Crew in Season 1 of the Original had probably a very tragic conclusion offscreen as we are going to have in LA @@jayp9881

Episode 6 easily the best of the season.

@BarFightStudios

4 ай бұрын

The actors are doing a wonderful job

@gualacheesesteak

4 ай бұрын

@@BarFightStudios100% agree, they just can use some better writing. Or maybe improvise more

@Saphthings

4 ай бұрын

4 is a close second, it's just the Bumi thing upsets people, but the Iroh/Zuko in that episode was stellar too.

@gualacheesesteak

4 ай бұрын

@@Saphthings I actually enjoyed Bumi more in Live Action🤷🏽‍♂️

@Arcannabis

4 ай бұрын

4 and 6 for me. Zuko and Iroh are the main characters in this adaption for sure

I was already so close to crying by the end of the episode. And then when Zuko looked in the mirror and it was his younger self, before the burn, before being banished, smiling, those tears just started flowing like a goddamn river.

Zuko's arc has always been the strongest writing in ATLA.

@ittz_hades6812

4 ай бұрын

There is no arc in the live show that’s the issue

@jayp9881

4 ай бұрын

​@@ittz_hades6812wdym in the first season of atla zuko is in roughly the same spot he's I now character wise. What did u expect for zuko to be with the gang by the end of the first season?

@ittz_hades6812

4 ай бұрын

@@jayp9881 HIGHLY disagree… I recommend you rewatch season 1 animated and tell me your emotions on zuko… Zuko in season 1 animation is THE VILLAIN (quite literally azula wasn’t even introduced yet), you should have a sense of disliking towards zuko throughout the season with glimpses at his humanity and inner turmoil through the blue spirt and when he captures aang and they almost freeze to death and he speaks to an unconscious aang In the live action they have progressed his character to being too likable immediately you sort of feel empathy and sadness towards zuko and his story which is too early! He is definitely NOT aim the same place For an ARC (especially a redemption arc) to happen you need change in emotions, ups and downs… zukos arc goes hated -> liked -> hated -> loved

@claudegrenier3180

4 ай бұрын

@@jayp9881 Don't expect much of an answer from that commenter. He's been throwing the most generic blanket statements and nothing else lol he's a troll.

This was definitely the stand-out episode. I love that while we may all have differing receptions to the live-action, everyone is in agreement that the Zuko and 41st division scene was an amazing addition.

Once Monk Gyatso was sure Aang is in good hands, he could find peace and go on. That's why it was only a one time only appearance.

@QueenOfTheZombieApocalypse

4 ай бұрын

I think his task was helping Aang forgive himself. Gyatso knew Aang better than anyone. He knew that whenever Aang woke up and found out what happened to his people, he would need someone to tell him that it wasn’t his fault and he couldn’t have stopped it.

@timkruse9912

4 ай бұрын

@@QueenOfTheZombieApocalypse exactly, he was there to let the guilt off aangs hands

@withxoutxlife

4 ай бұрын

@@QueenOfTheZombieApocalypse Aang needed to know that his people didn't blame him for the genocide. Most of the world has made him feel guilty about vanishing for 100 years, but his own people who were massacred, knew that Aang would have died right along everyone else. It was probably an incredible burden being lifted from his shoulders, to know that Gyatso was glad that Aang wasn't there during the Fire Nation's attack.

Zuko should've been the easiest character to mess up, but through every single media (even that God awful abomination in 2010) seems to be the one character that is consistently done well.

@TheTruth-13

4 ай бұрын

What? How could you mess up a character whose path is so clear?

@satyre_1

4 ай бұрын

it helps that dev patel himself is goated. the movie would be even worse if it hadnt been for him... which i dont even know if it would be possible

@user-ji8zh8mr6r

4 ай бұрын

@@TheTruth-13 bc a lot of people focus more on his will to fight than his story

@novakaneiii8231

4 ай бұрын

dev patel was such a good casting for zuko. i wish they wouldve done things better for him. better dialogue and a better scar. like he for sure had a scar, but it just wasnt red and u couldnt see it unless u did a closeup shot.

@erickadame3153

4 ай бұрын

The only thing I don't like about Zuko is his scar and him having an eyebrow on the scar.

I think the 41st being Zuko's and also having this revealtion will be crucial to Season 2 or 3 when they bring Azula into all this eventually. We had the animated Storm episode but it makes even more sense how supportive his crew could be against Azula or other Fire Nation because they are aware they owe him their lives.

@formideimos

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely, I loved that change! Really adds a lot to their dynamic.

I saw a post where it said that Ozai saw himself in Zuko. Zuko without his scar looks so much like Ozai which is also why Ozai aimed for zukos face because he didn’t wanna associate his own face with disappointment (Allegedly)

Probably the only episode of the season that has that original feel. So many great moments in this episode.

@LJ_S1K

4 ай бұрын

You want to know why? Look up who has writing credits for this episode

@Puckett.

4 ай бұрын

@@LJ_S1K I know that Bryke wrote this episode. They also wrote EP1 which was similar quality as the rest of the season. It’s hard to screw up the Blue Spirit/Zuko backstory stuff (Storm). It’s by far the best part of the original Book 1. So it only makes sense it would be the best in this adaption also. It’s one of the better moments from the movie as well. It’s one of the main reasons I don’t hate this season as much as some do. The original Book 1 was not as good as the other 2 books when it came to the story so I really like to see how the Netflix show handles the show when we get to the better story arcs in Book 2 & 3.

@LJ_S1K

4 ай бұрын

@@Puckett. Yeah I agree. The show was ok for me, I have a lot of critiques about this first LA season but most have to do with the writing/exposition. Hopefully they can remedy that in the next couple seasons. I do disagree somewhat with your point about the 1st season of the cartoon. Yes it was not as "good" as the next seasons, but it did a great job in laying the framework for the rest of the show. I do not think the LA adaption did a good enough job in this. Team Avatar should be fully developed and ready for the next season, but to me they feel very flat, but thats just my opinion

To be fair Zuko’s story was the most interesting part of the original show too. Though I agree, the main 3 could use a bit more focus in this.

@TheTruth-13

4 ай бұрын

Season 1 was the worst season in the animation. All the main 3 did was mess around

@ittz_hades6812

4 ай бұрын

@@TheTruth-13animated season 1 sets up important foundations and story plots that are completely being missed in the live action

@derfritz4550

4 ай бұрын

oh yeah completely awful that we have introduction episodes between that goofing around (and even that only until winter solstice) and not one serious episode at all in season 1 except winter solstice 1-2 fortune teller (i call that important for character development) omashu and the siege of the north...@@TheTruth-13

@claudegrenier3180

4 ай бұрын

@@ittz_hades6812 Which ones? Please elaborate

I can't believe Daniel Dae Kim who is playing Ozai is older in real life than Paul Sun-Hyung Lee who is playing Iroh.

Zuko, Zhao, Iroh and Ozai carry the show so far, imo. Iroh, Zhao and Ozai are not really a surprise, though, since the characters are utterly delicious to start with and the actors are established, great actors. However, that Dallas Liu would come along with a Zuko this good, was a very pleasant surprise.

Zuko’s crew being the soldiers he spoke up for is a legit nice addition

Ep 4 and 6 were the best, I just love Zuko and Iroh in them ahhhh. Best episodes for my boyss

@WillowTara

4 ай бұрын

girlboy😍

@mochiyeosang1908

3 ай бұрын

@@WillowTarathe fuck?

I do find it interesting the way the story is going in the live action. Overall it’s been a very enjoyable ride so far

If you look to the right of the shot showing all the previous Avatar relics, you can see Wan's teapot that he used to carry Raava around. Really love that detail.

Best episode of the season for me. I really like the changes/additions they made particularly the revelation of the 41st Division as they conclude zuko's banishment backstory.

"He's basically Joe Jackson" is one of my favorite comments I've heard!

This was easily the best episode of this season

The Storm, The Blue Spirit and Zuko Alone episode into one? Hell yeah!!!

They should honestly just rename the live action to Zuko: Prince of the fire nation

"What was that noise? Guess it was nothing." Wrong "Must've been the wind"

17:57 Marketa & Rana! The timing! LOL

@vokasimid5330

4 ай бұрын

What about Chris & Mickey

Adaptions, whether good or bad, always get tons of people to watch the original. I always treat them like giant ads for the original.

@gsoma4022

4 ай бұрын

Slightly different but exactly how I felt about Edgerunners, it got people to give Cyberpunk 2077 a 2nd chance and they did very good

@darionmcclinton351

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. People be too critical

@MewDenise

3 ай бұрын

Indeed. Thats what One Piece did also

I bet this team could go crazy with Korra. It already has some of the intrigue and harshness that they wanted to add.

@NoName1462

4 ай бұрын

Yea I genuinely believe Korra would work better in live action, I hope they end up doing it after ATLA

@huskyxrichie6656

4 ай бұрын

​@@NoName1462I agree that Korra would work better in live action. I think they should've went straight to Korra because it would give them a chance to fix some of the issues from the original show. LOK needs a re-adaptation more than ATLA does

@kuivia

4 ай бұрын

@@huskyxrichie6656 Fully agree with all of this, I personally like Korra more but it had so many issues that they could've fixed with live action version but if the writing would be the same as this live action they might aswell not make that either 😅😅

@huskyxrichie6656

4 ай бұрын

@@kuivia Definitely! If they ever did decide to do Korra next then they should try to get the creators back and give them full control. I wouldn't trust Netflix doing it by themselves. This would give the creators a chance to fix mistakes from before and to tell the story the way that they originally wanted, without meddling from Nickelodeon

@kuivia

4 ай бұрын

@@huskyxrichie6656 The way I see it is kinda like how they did with The Last Of Us, he got to change some things he wanted to change and flesh some things out that he didn't think about to do in the game. If they got to do that with Korra it'd be so sweet

2nd and 3rd season have been green lit together! So hopefully they can do both at the same time or back to back and we get the Comet in Season 2. Which will minimize the time for filming.

What happened to ep 5?

@Maney0899

4 ай бұрын

For real I’ve been looking for it

@k.brenae6032

4 ай бұрын

In the description scroll all the way down

@ud2278

4 ай бұрын

what are you saying there is nothing about ep 5 in description.@@k.brenae6032

@reecedrake9448

4 ай бұрын

@@k.brenae6032 thank you

@drunkdonaldtrump8386

4 ай бұрын

@@k.brenae6032where??

I think the issue with Aang is in the original show he didn't really buckle down and start taking his role seriously until after the siege of the north. The first half of season 1 was more him dodging responsibility and the second half was him panicking and coming to terms with the weight of it. This show cut out more of the dodging and focused more on the weight of responsibility, so it feels a bit one-note at the moment. Aang's development comes along a bit more once he almost loses Katara to the general and loses Appa in the desert. I think we'll see a much better version of Aang in season two, especially now that the show is cleared to finish the whole series so they don't have to rush as much

Dallas is amazing bro. He made me love Zuko character

@TheTruth-13

4 ай бұрын

Who are you talking to?

@satyre_1

4 ай бұрын

@@TheTruth-13 what the fuck wrong wit u bruh 😭😭😭😭😭😭 why is your bitch-ass being so negative and weird in this thread? theyre talking to the normies. WHO THE FUCK ELSE?

@marleymarsss

4 ай бұрын

@@TheTruth-13 ????

@jesussideralcarrion2580

4 ай бұрын

@@TheTruth-13 bro what?

Where is 5?

@k.brenae6032

4 ай бұрын

Description

where’s number 5 from you guys? 😭

@abthedragon4921

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, that's what I was thinking!

@tjbfox769

4 ай бұрын

I came here literally to ask this question. I'm sure they will get it posted eventually.

@sagar8538

4 ай бұрын

Yup I think they accidentally released this one

@cubandeathryder88

4 ай бұрын

Something tells me they uploaded the wrong episode 😂

@k.brenae6032

4 ай бұрын

Description

one of the best episodes in the series and showed dallas as one strongest out of core cast

I actually read a fanfic years ago where the division Zuko saved that day became his crew, so I'm glad they actually made it canon. while I ADORE the Zuko-development and it's obvious the creators of the show like him the most, if they don't step it up big time next season with Aang, Katara, and Sokka, the show is really gonna fall short. the show is *about* Aang, so his development should definitely be more of a priority than it's been so far. he didn't seem to really change that much imo despite supposedly learning a few harsh lessons.

Where’s episode 5?

@k.brenae6032

4 ай бұрын

In the description just go all the way down

the bad writing critique is interesting for me considering this episode was written by the original creators lol but most fans know they just created the ATLA shell and all the other writers developed it for them

@silverxbanshee

4 ай бұрын

also imo i think they're giving a lot of the gaang's development time to zuko and iroh. i love them both but a lot of their development was season 2 & 3 not this first one.

@p-forest

4 ай бұрын

lol well it seems to me several of them have certain complaints and are now going into the episodes looking for those things to complain about. I also suspect some of the people complaining are looking back at the original writing with rose colored glasses, so to speak.

@kamenwaticlients

4 ай бұрын

@@p-forest agreed. I watched this as an early 20 something so I had a different prospective. I've come to a similar conclusion rose colored glasses of childhood for many who are complaining is informing their criticism. Though them taking issue makes sense many complaints sound like why doesnt make me feel exactly the same as I did when I first watched and why isnt it one-to-one copy of the cartoon

@theog1045

4 ай бұрын

Agreed, I watched the original as an adult, and it irritated me to no ends with all the fluff episodes of unnecessary story. However I understood that it was a children's cartoon, so they wanted to appeal to that demographic. I'm enjoying this one much better

@mightheal

4 ай бұрын

Well Zuko's dialogue throughout the season has been completely re written because he sounds dumber like he's never had any training being a commander before.

I love ALL of the Zuko content, and all the additions that were added, he and Uncle Iroh are the best thing about the live action fr. I also LOVED the extended conversation between Aang & Zuko. 🔥

TO WATCH EPISODE 5: Go to the description and scroll all the way down, should be the last link. For some reason it’s unlisted

You guys absolutely nailed it why people are disliking the show bcoz they just took so much story out of Aang and Katara even...this show really should have been 10 episodes to give proper screen time to all the characters...the show is more focused on Zuko rather than Aang gang...hell they didnt even bother with making Aang learn waterbending with Katara and they disnt even hint at a possible romance with them

Where is the five??? :"D

@crescendyr8438

4 ай бұрын

in the description. Somebody posted it as "unlisted".

Not to worry. Zuko is going to have his own movie.

Great discussion at the end. Why I love watching you guys. Keep up the good work!

Absolutely agree that Ozai banished Zuko because he thought it was good parenting. Even in the cartoon he said “suffering will be your teacher”. He never expected Zuko to succeed. He wanted Zuko to suffer and become stronger (then Ozai would have reversed the banishment), or stay ‘weak’ and away from the throne forever.

Did they skip episode 5? Lol

@k.brenae6032

4 ай бұрын

It’s in the description just scroll all the way down👍🏾

@dmgaming100

4 ай бұрын

@@k.brenae6032 omg thx

@MrChefBoyardee

4 ай бұрын

Ty bro 🙏🙏@@k.brenae6032

@huskyxrichie6656

4 ай бұрын

​@@k.brenae6032 Thank you!

@kacangatomtigaroda

4 ай бұрын

Did you mean the patreon link? ​@@k.brenae6032

3:24 I did not expect a Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island reference! 🏆

@Tweek08

4 ай бұрын

Sure was hahahah

this was written and directed by one of the of creators btw

@tecorp7

4 ай бұрын

Actually, not directed by either of them and also co-written by the daughter of Albert Kim, along with others. But yes, Bryke co-wrote this one.

You guys have also to understand that the writers hadn't known that they would get more seasons. That's probably why they wanted to get as much of the story as they could in this season. They'll probably spend most of next season on character development since the third season is already green-lit 🖖😎👍

my only pet peeve, it feels like it needs to hold your hand. The animated series treated you more like an adult "If you like the 41st division" "But, we're the 41st" Yeah no shit, just have the dude react not say it out loud

@TheTruth-13

4 ай бұрын

You never watched the original show, or paid attention.

Yay we got episode 6 super early.

The addition of the 41st being the soldiers Zuko didn't want to sacrifice was my favorite change in this adaptation

Episode 6 before 5???

@k.brenae6032

4 ай бұрын

Episode five is in the description just go all the way down

Definitely the best episode!! Love everything Zuko and Iroh in this show

I remembered in an interview that the creators said they are not going to do the time limit till comet because of the aging of actors between seasons. Obviously, the comet will come. It will just be after small time skips after seasons unless they do season 2 and 3 at Sametime, then they may change their mind.

Episode 6 Mask is one of my favorite episodes of anything ever.

8:09 Damn, he actually sounded like Zuko

I feel bad for the 42nd division that replaced the 41st. I’m assuming they still went forward with that plan but now they needed a new division to take the sacrificial role.

Shorty shot his scrunchie off😂👏🏾👏🏾

The crew is my favorite change of the show. I really hope they expand on that in the coming seasons.

This episode is one of my favourite pieces of Avatar content in general.

Is just me or they made Zuko more likable in the early episodes or probably because we just know him now?

"How are you going to carry this man?" The best way possible: off-screen.

1. you forgot in the comics ozai questioned if zuko was really his son. 2. we love the callback of the weakness and compassion line 3. also remember at this point in time zukos source for firebending was his anger

Avatar has always been the Zuko show!

"Man Peanut Butter." 🙂Thank you, Chris from the bottom of my heart.

“A drinkith for me is faces for the” 😂😂 that shit was so funny.

I'd like to point out that in the credits of every episode, the original creators are not there. But in Episode 6 they are written as writers of that episode, because it is the only one they did work on before they left. The best episode in the show is the one the original creators worked on.

Was that a ‘scooby doo on zombie island’ joke? Lol

I had the same reaction at the end, I was like "Why do people not like this?!"

zuko and iroh continue to be the most compelling characters in any adaptation. I guess the 41st division change was from the og creators. They have a writing credit in this ep i believe so makes sense it worked.

The dynamic between Zuko and Iroh is definitely the best part of this season, the most heartbreaking and well rounded journey. If the show gives this much attention to the relationship between Katara and Aang in the next season, this show would be unstoppable. As it is, I think the live adaptation would have been spectacular if it had been 10 episodes long in order to further flesh out the relationship between Sokka, Aang and Katara while letting key moments breathe more.... This show is on the very verge of greatness. You can tell all the pieces are there. The script and pacing just needs some tweaking.

16:31 I haven’t seen anybody not like this episode. Even most people who don’t like the show love this episode

@claudegrenier3180

4 ай бұрын

lmao I'm sorry to say I've seen the troll haters going around hating even this episode 😔

The joe Jackson comment 😂😂😂

Crazy zuko had a chance to catch ozai on that same side

Guy on the left is growing on me I like how he’s doesnt talk that often like Mikey. Always has solid takes to

"I kinda wish they were all Indian, tho."😂😂😂

3:18 ayyye Suraj with that Scooby Doo on Zombie Island

I've spoken to so many people who never watched the animated series and they Zuko reveal surprised them actually

They want us to love zuko lol nd I'm here for it

What happened to episode 5?

5:55 I liked this scene but it is funny how when the dynamic changes between iroh nd June it's cool now lol

Guys ep 5 is in the description

@L.Mario_2x

4 ай бұрын

Can you help? it doesn't appear in the description for me! could you link it?

Where is episode five? :)

the second and third season has been renewed.

omg yes splease, The Zuko Show

We were blubbering messes from Zuko, Iroh & 41st!

@Thenormies

4 ай бұрын

Honestly one of the best changes they did from the show.

What's interesting about this version is they have it so it looks like Ozai regrets torching Zuko's face; like if you go back and really look, it almost looks like Ozai might cry!

This episode is amazing bro

Should of called “Zuko the banished bender”

Where is episode 5?

First reactor I've seen realize he's Sensei Ishikawa from Ghost of Tshushima, respect.

Zhao is so good🤣

Everyone asking for episode 5 but the truth is I just wanna see 4 and 6 reactions (and the finale of course) cuz those were amazing lol. I didn't even noticed 5 was missing.

the absolute best ep

This episode and episode 1 out of the 8 episodes wherein the writers of the OG story were actually involved. So those 'stories' that they totally ditched NATLA is not entirely true, they were both in the credits. Episode 1: Albert Kim and Michael Dante DiMartino & Bryan Konietzko Albert Kim: showrunner Mike and Bryan: ATLA/TLOK creators, Avatar Studios heads Episode 2: Joshua Hale Fialkov Episode 3: Christine Boylan Episode 4: Keely MacDonald Episode 5: Gabriel Llanas Episode 6: story by Ubah Mohamed and Bryan Konietzko & Michael Dante DiMartino, teleplay by Emily Kim & Hunter Ries and Bryan Konietzko Episode 7: Audrey Wong Kennedy Episode 8: Albert Kim

Episode 5 was Masks wasnt it cause seems like 6 was the Roku one and we ended up in spirit world in episode 5

Naw zuko sleeping on his good side bc he had Iroh in the room and the crew saluted him 😭