Thanks Neil ❤️

Yes. No one lost. Whatever may be appearing...👏🦋

@neildenham-alreadyeverything

2 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed. No one to become lost in the first place 😁

Thank you Neil. Is seeing past the illusory me the same as seeing the brown snake is actually a rope and not a snake?

@neildenham-alreadyeverything

2 жыл бұрын

In some ways that can make sense, as in once separation has been revealed to be not real, which is what seems to happen when the I am dream dies, then its over. But actually, in the end there isn't really a snake which becomes a rope.

The thing with the laws of nature is, no one ever found them ... no scientist ever found the power or the center for Gravitation. "We" made up Storys, explanations about these phenomena, but there isn't such a thing called Gravitation, matter and so on. That's what a ment with the example of cause and Effekt... it seems to be there but it isn't, just a Story... But like you often said (I paraphrasing), it's the knower who wants to make sense of everything, wants to get a hold on something, wants to know... but there is no knower in the first place. I never ask questions, Neil never answered, there was no zoom talk, no uploading on KZread.

@neildenham-alreadyeverything

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. I'm pretty sure there were no issues with sticking to the planet before Newton developed his theories. Science exploration is, of course, another endeavour to satisfy the need of the knower. However, it does seem to be quite useful in a lot of cases. Antibiotics are quite helpful.

@dexx44

2 жыл бұрын

@@neildenham-alreadyeverything yes :) or to send satellites into space to hold zoom talks. In this context the Buddhist example comes to my mind that Jim sometimes used - the person, the knower is like a nail in the sky... every knowledge we put on that nail , has never any solid ground to it. It never helps to find what we seek. Like you said and I think it's a good reminder to hear it again and again, even the clearest conceptual understanding won't help, but as long as there is the sense to be the knower, this will dismissed in a way. Knowledge arises as a thought, thoughts are never known, understanding is not understood. Everything arises out of no thing and nothing it's that's arises. And that's just a story. Tim Cliss talks about there seems to be some kind of compassion to the seeker in order to speak about these things, it's also a Story, but thanks , some dots are connected and I enjoy these talks.

@neildenham-alreadyeverything

2 жыл бұрын

I think what Jim was attempting to illustrate with the nail in the sky, is that it cannot be done. One cannot hammer a nail into fresh air, so, of course, the idea that there is then some kind of ego or personal identity forming around that nail, is entirely dreamt.

@dexx44

2 жыл бұрын

@@neildenham-alreadyeverything yeah... after this impossibility, everything down the road makes no sense. Yes. More simple. Love it. Thx