I remember when this drum was debuting. Late 1980s, all the drums were big and deep, the cymbals were as thick as manhole covers, the drum kits were enormous, everything weighed as much as an elephant, and the gig was undoubtedly going to involve a flight or two of stairs. The Aqua Net hairspray, purchased in bulk by the case, hung in the air like maritime fog. And, oh yes, there was spandex as far as the eye could see. 🤘

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

What a time for drummers and music in general!! 😂😂❤️❤️👊👊🤘🤘

@terrystowers6085

Жыл бұрын

@@timbofromkeno it really was a fun time to be alive and gigging. I can’t imagine trying to lug that PA gear around at this advanced age. The power amps alone were fifty or sixty pounds each, for God’s sake, haha! And there were six of them…we were a goofy bunch, and we were ambitious, lol. 😁🕺🏻🎼🥁🎤🍻

I am LOVING this moment that cast metal shell drums seem to be having, they were all over records in the 80s and 90s (well, the Tama was anyways) and then kinda disappeared for a while!

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

I totally agree. They’re such wonderful drums, especially under mics. Now we just gotta find someone to make entire cast kits! 😂

@burban8218

Жыл бұрын

Duluth Brass Drums will make you a set. Hoops as well.

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

@@burban8218 I think he’s closed up shop temporarily because of staffing shortages. Guven in Turkey would probably do it, though!

@burban8218

Жыл бұрын

Nah…. They’re still making them. Just got a quote for a few shells.

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

@@burban8218 That’s good to hear!

Love your style man. Can't believe you don't have more subs. Keep kicking ass

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. I definitely feel late to the game on YT, but I’m hoping it’ll be a fun little adventure finding a community on here too. I appreciate you coming along for the ride, James!

Timbo! Love seeing you in my insta feed and I sure as heck love seeing you here 🍻

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Hey! Good to see you on here. I hope you're digging the long-form, less silly content! hahaha

Great stuff!

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I appreciate it!

So cool!

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Great video - thanks for making it! Always enjoy hearing your drums - they always sound 10/10 - keep it up!

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Patrick. I appreciate it!

Great content👍🏼👍🏼. I actually got a few of these and in the late 90's I was informed by Gatzen himself that there were 300 of the 6.5" x 14" 10 lug made, and i believe 60 of the of the 4.75 × 14" 8 lug snares (360 total). Many did crack, however I have both depths original without the crack, and I got them both with cracks (full crack top bearing edge to bottom bearing edge). I used the cracked ones to experiment and compare. No noticable difference. In the end the tension from the heads keeps the shell together, and the minimal los of air from the crack doesn't affect the sound. They are amazing snares and the 8 lug is the 1 snare I would use if I was allowed only one! You can get ANY sound from that drum, warmer than wood in some head/tuning combinations👍🏼👍🏼PS, I highly recommend the N&C Copper Snare if you want another "Chameleon".👍🏼👍🏼

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for all the fun facts. Gatzen would know the numbers for sure! And I love eight lug drums. Just makes sense!!

I’m subscribed to lots of drum channels and this is easily my current favourite. Keep it up Timbo, you’re doing great things.

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for the kind words. More to come! 😁👊

That is it, dude. 👌

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

😁😁👊👊

Bro that pro-tip about the paper towel in the snare wires 🤌beautiful

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

It’s so simple, but when you have three or four snares, it makes all the difference in cutting down on excess noise!

Wow! Sound good! 🥁

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

It’s a fun drum! 😁👊

Fantastic drumming with a history lesson. I never knew about this snare drum. Great job!

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I truly appreciate it!

This is my new favorite KZread channel. So glad you’re doing longer videos now! 🎉

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Yo! Thank you so much for the kind words. More to come. Fingers crossed, I'm gonna keep to this once a week thing. And I might add other non-gear videos into the mix throughout the week too!

Great content Tim. Love the history lesson. This is awesome content. Keep it up.

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Chris! Thanks man. Funny enough, Tim (previously your drum guy at Music Center) has been one of the couple people helping to make these videos happen. He works with Dennis, the Turkish Cymbals USA guy, where most of the vintage pieces that aren’t mine in the videos come from. Such a small world. Hope you enjoy the rest of the weekend, my friend!

That is one tasty snare. Yum yum.

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Yeah baby!! 😁😁👊👊

What a godly sounding drum set, snare drum, and cymbals here. Holy be-joly! 😮

@timbofromkeno

16 күн бұрын

100%! Thanks Thomas.

What a unicorn of a snare drum!

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Right??

Great playing

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Ian!

sooo soo gooooodd!!

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Stephen!

Yes!

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

😁👊

Damn that sounds lovely. I love the perfect little bounce ping upon each snare hit. Like a 90s dodgeball sound, except the dodgeball is the size of a water tower.

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Hahahaha The most amazing analogy I’ve heard in a long time!

Another great show n tell Timbo! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and drumming man.

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Ah man. Thank you!! ❤️❤️❤️

Holy cripes! You crank!

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha Thanks doc!

One of my teachers has one of the first runs...it was one of the first "pro snares" I got to play on when I was a smol...it definitely taught me how to play with more sensitivity.

@timbofromkeno

11 ай бұрын

Isn't that drum something else?! So wild. And you definitely can get by with a MUCH lighter hand on this drum than you on other stuff. This thing is LOUD! lol

Cool snare drum

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Truly!

Amazing drum! Great playing too

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words! 😁👊

The kit is small sizes but it kicks!!

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

It does! If you get the head selection and tuning right, it’s surprising just how big 20-12-14 can sound!

hoooooooooly beatiful sound! i love it bell-bronze snare drum sound!

@timbofromkeno

9 ай бұрын

It’s so good! 😁👊

How cool.i wish I had the means to experience such a piece, even for a short period

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

I've been really fortunate to try a few pieces from the incredible collection of Turkish Cymbals USA. I can't wait to share more. If you want to see if I can find something particular that you'd like to hear, please let me know!

thanks for the content, tim

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

And thanks for watching. That means a lot!

Love it man! Thanks bro

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Josh! Man, thank you. ❤️❤️❤️

Wow didn’t know your on KZread thanks man you’ve got yourself a new sub btw Collins!!!!

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Richie! I just made the jump onto YT a few weeks ago. I hope you dig this stuff! 😁👊

Love your channel. I’m learning stuff.👍

@timbofromkeno

10 ай бұрын

So glad you’re digging it, John. Thanks man!!

Very cool. I remember danney carey from tool had a whole set cast from paiste cymbals. Its on thr lataralus album.

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

He’s still got them, I think. Such a cool set!!

Your playing reminds me of Abe Laboriel. Great video too!

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much. That means a lot! 😁👊

Magnifico.👑👑👑👑👑👑

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Gady! 😁😁

NOICE!

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

😁😁👊👊

killer sounding snare. but mostly because you have some great groove!

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Ah man. Thanks Bob!

5:06 My new favorite pickup line at the bar.

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

best sound file of the mythical 6.5x14 version! awesome playing as well, which had alot to do with the sound!. Well, 400th anniversary snare is here.... for the sweet price of.... 4K!!! I had the 380th anniversary version and paid $1500. even counting in inflation. what?!!! 4K?!!! still thinking about it. 😁

@timbofromkeno

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the kind words on the sound files! Those new 400th anniversary drums are pretty wild. There’s a lot of engineering that went into them. All the hardware is proprietary too. Worth $4,000? I’ll say this-if I had the disposable income, there’d be one in my basement right now.

@officialMainspring

7 ай бұрын

@@timbofromkeno I did a bad, bad, thing... I just ordered the 400th.,.. making up my mistake of selling the 380th. Top ramen here I come! 😁

@timbofromkeno

7 ай бұрын

@@officialMainspring hahahaha Heck yeah!

Really solid drumming!

@timbofromkeno

7 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!

holy crap that lug system was breaking my brain... had to go back to look at the close up. super interesting design.

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

It is! And they still use that design on some of their modern drums today. I think they even make those lugs stateside still too. N&C is a pretty rad company. Worth a google!

@krusher74

Жыл бұрын

The singal nodal tube lug is about as simple as you can get, whats brain breaking about it? N&C also had disputes over it as Sonor used very similar on there hilites etc in the 90's

@jdion79

Жыл бұрын

@@krusher74 cool guy 😎

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

@@krusher74 I think it’s just that visually, it looks starkly different than your standard Ludwig or Slingerland (or generally cast) lug design. That’s all.

Oh man that’s fantastic

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Danny. This is such a special drum. I'm so glad I got a chance to hit it!

This is crazy because the other day I thought that it would be cool if I got my cymbals turned into a drum, and here we are Lol

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha Serendipitous!

Man! I love your playing and those drums sound awesome! I have tama slp dynamic bronze 5.5* snare, and it sounds similar to that snare.😂

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Thanks dude! I really appreciate the kind words. I wrenched on one of those SLP bronze snares for a local drummer a while back. Wonderful drums!

Nearly bought one of these for $900AU ($670US) in 2005. Wish I did.

@timbofromkeno

9 ай бұрын

Man, that would've been a steal!

@djyeah-nah9781

9 ай бұрын

How good is hindsight!

if you are doing a video on a snare like this it would be great to see a bit of the snare played alone, some buzz rolls, some rudiments, then some damping options, maybe put other heads on it if you have some. I feel we hardly got to hear more that 20% of it sound.

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

I understand. Unfortunately, I’m not a rudimental or classically trained player. I’m a punk rock kid who grew up, so this is what I know how to do. Haha

Another great vid mate. I love that snare 🤤 and would almost certainly own one if i have the dollhairs. I could be wrong but i think Danny Carey uses a bell brass snare. That wide open tone suits Tool perfectly, especially when hitting rim shots with the snare turned off! 🤘

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, Tim! And man, Danny has a whole brass KIT. His is called The Spirit of 2002, since it’s made from Paiste’s 2002 B12 cymbal alloy. I got a picture with the kit at NAMM in 2019!

@timokaywright7625

Жыл бұрын

@@timbofromkeno rip his drum tech 😂😂

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

@@timokaywright7625 I hope that tech has a good chiropractor! hahahaha

Designed by legend Bob Gatzen. The first run (without ribs) were prone to breaking. That is why Duluth didn’t used the actual alloy for the Paiste snares. I had Ayotte Keps in 14x6,5 and 13x7, cast bronze dw first gen 5mm in 14x6 and 13x7, and cast alu dw first and last gen in 14x5 and 10x4,5. I have to say I found the alu models the most versatile. The bronze models were a bit too heavy (the 13” weighing in at 13kg) and the Kep’s very specific with their 90’s Grunge sound.

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

DW's aluminum stuff is always great. So so good. Drumcraft did a cast aluminum snare back in the day that was incredible too. Sounds like you've got quite the collection. You're a lucky drummer! : )

@musiqsoundsproductions

Жыл бұрын

@@timbofromkeno oh if I could have kept some. But all gone to fund new gear. Love testing out new gear. Some gear stays if the finances allow it. Drumcraft had a cast bronze model too. Noble had basically the same cast alu snares (both those and the DW’s were designed by Bob too).

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

@@musiqsoundsproductions I didn't realize Bob designed the N&C stuff too. Interesting!

Great sounding snare. Would love a video on your recording set up. You have a great sound.

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I definitely need to do a video on recording. I’m hoping I can do a few more months of more exciting gear videos before I give y’all the nerdy details on that stuff! 😂👊

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

In the meantime, check out my studio tour that @malonedrum did earlier this year. Quite a bit of content that’s related to recording in that video! Cheers!!

Wow man, you have that kit dialed in! Beautiful playing. Thanks for the info on the snares. Do you think the drums that cracked would have anyway? Or because of heavy playing? Fascinating. 🙏

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Glenn! What I’ve heard from industry folks is that the B20 alloy just doesn’t mesh with snare drum usage. When it gets too thick, it can be very brittle, which will ultimately always lead to cracking. Unfortunate, but still makes for a fun drum to play…until it fails. 😂

@GlennWilsonDrums

Жыл бұрын

@@timbofromkeno ha ha for sure. Paiste made some snares too right? I might have that wrong.

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

@@GlennWilsonDrums They did, but they made it out of their 2002 (B8) formula, which is very different than Zildjian's B20 formula. And I think that's why we don't hear about folks having the same issues with the Paiste drums!

I was 14 yrs old in 1989

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

I wasn’t born until the end of that year! 😂👊

I don’t know if this is a joke/April fool or what but I want it to be true and I’ve subscribed to you anyway😂!!👍

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Lol This is a real drum! More fun (and funny) stuff to come. Thanks!

@BeesWaxMinder

Жыл бұрын

@@timbofromkeno 👍

If those are cracking, the 2023 issue may also crack. Not good when paying $4,000 for it. Someone said the DW True Cast were cracking when they tried to use melted cymbals.

@timbofromkeno

7 ай бұрын

Zildjian’s engineering and product development team have stated that this batch has a totally new process that should eliminate the previous cracking issues. I’m curious to see if this process will correct the problem! DW uses a manufacturing plant in Minnesota for those shells. I’m not sure that they ever used B20. I’ll have to google that. : )

New subscriber. Great video, I would love to snag this drum.

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! I’d love to own one of these too. They’re phenomenal!

Oh, I hadn't considered paper towels. I usually use just a folded sheet of paper. Do you think paper towels do a better job?

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

I think they do a little bit just because they’re a little more mass and a little softer!

@JamieStrowhiro

Жыл бұрын

@@timbofromkeno Thanks! Great stuff as always. I remember drooling over the re-issue in the early 2000s. Bucket list drum!

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

@@JamieStrowhiro 1,000%!

Hey Timbo! Whats the make of that tiger kit in the background? Is it a Hoshino?? I have a Hoshino kit that looks very similar, tiger stripe with a sparkle mixed in

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Hey GJ! That kit is from Franklin Drum Company in Minneapolis, Minnesota. I just finished editing a video about it hits morning. It'll be out the first week in May, I believe. Keep an eye out. But that finish is based on Ludwig's Lemon Strata from the 70s Standard kits. We couldn't afford to buy the 100 sheet minimum of replica wrap from Delmar, so we had a dude paint that!

@morrinsville23

Жыл бұрын

@@timbofromkeno oh wow!! Thats awesome! Ill Look forward to the video!

Yo! Been meaning to ask, where do you get the shelves behind you?

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

I looked up “mobile wire shelving” on Amazon and bought the most inexpensive options at the sizes I wanted. They’re great!

Better than the terminator imo

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! 😂👊

Whatcha got over there on your right all green and sparkly?

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Hey--good to see ya! It's a little 20-12-14 B/O badge, clear interior maple Ludwig kit from the early 70s. I gotta do a video on that!

@rborawski

Жыл бұрын

@@timbofromkeno I'll wait here...love green sparkle Luddies!

I had both sizes...they were crap & cracked really easy. Not to mention the hardware flaked off. The 2nd generation was alot beefier. The Paiste snare drums were alot better imho!

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

I think it’s the alloy. B20 is brittle, but B12 (the 2002 alloy) might be just the right spot metallurgy-wise to make a drum!

great snare wow... what title of this music?

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! For the "rock" track, I got that from a stock music website. But other stuff comes from my drumless tracks. There should be a link in the video description. : )

Neat drums aside, that's some groove!

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much. I really appreciate the kind words!

@quintessenceSL

Жыл бұрын

@@timbofromkeno Completely deserved. Nice ornaments on the main beat.

Paiste did something like this for Danny Carey I think ...

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

They did! They call it the Spirit of 2002. 😁👊

YES it’s cool a little too pricey but yes, it’s definitely cool

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Agreed on everything!

Didn't PAISTE do the same thing ❓

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

They did-the Spirit of 2002! 😁

middle aged - must got a stable carrer, maybe a good 401k who knows

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

We can only hope! 😂😂😂

Do you always Yell Speak? If so why?

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Only for the first 15-20 seconds of the video. And because it’s silly. 😂

Paiste did it 1st...

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

When did they do the first run of Spirit of 2002?

You simply need to play harder!

@timbofromkeno

Жыл бұрын

Maybe! 😂😂