Jon, I sure do appreciate you sharing your very detailed and convincing information. I feel that I must commend you on this video and to put this into a simple statement this is one of the best DIY video I have ever seen.

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

This is one of the best videos I've ever seen about ZF transmission. Thanks a lot man.

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. Please share the video with others.

I know I'm a bit late to this video. But I must say this is the most in depth video I have seen on this transmission. You are so specific and I love it. Thank you so much. I have learnt some serious valuable information.

@jonh2408

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you... I'll make sue to let you know when I do a follow up

I changed my transmission fluid in my 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4x4 3.6l with Valvoline maxlife ATF at 80,000 miles. No problems yet.

@jonh2408

2 жыл бұрын

If the hundreds of people I've heard from like you are any indication.... you'll never have any problems.

@peachyclean93

Жыл бұрын

I just did that to my 200 S How is yours still holding up? My car's at 70,000

BMW X5 E70 LCi. Many thanks from South Africa. This is how it’s done! Very thorough of you hats-off👍👍👍

@jonh2408

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

By far the best information I was able to find on this subject, Thanks!

@jonh2408

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

Thank you, this is essentially a public service. Genuinely thank you!

@jonh2408

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

Great information applicable for any auto transmission.Thinking of doing the tran dain and fill method at every 50,000kms interval to keep it in good shaped. Looks like measure how many liters drained and refill with the same amount should be sufficient x2. Good point about the ZF plastic drainage plug may break or strip. Alternative option for DIY, use a hand pump to suck fluid out via the fill hole ( for both drainage and fill) similar to the machine pump method you mentioned in your vedio.

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

Ya thanks for watching... I would highly Recommend the fluid "exchange" machine. It's quick, clean and gets 95% of the fluid. Also worth checking out the $30 replacement pan i mention in the comments... I have read alot of reviews on it now and they have all been good.

Excellent Video. Thanks for creating - it will help people get their mind around this issue that has been clouded with a lot of misinformation.

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks... that was the goal...it ended up being alot longer than intended.

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you... I made another one showing a coolant system flush... check it out if your interested. kzread.info/dash/bejne/l2STqLKyp5ioo8Y.html

Very well done! I just did my BMW 535i with a new pan/filter from FCP and almost 4 liters of fluid. I am planning on doing 500 miles or so and than doing a fluid only change. Car has 105K miles on original fluid and I notice a significant difference in how much smoother the 8 speed shifts. Transmission was shifting fine but is definitely smoother now.. I used LiquiMoly Top Tec 1800 ATF

@jonh2408

11 ай бұрын

I wasn't able to find any info on the liquid moly... how much is it and how do you find it?

Nice work... after watching this I'll be getting the "exchange" done like you did last

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

the exchange is definitely a really good option... fast, clean and cost effective

The absolute best video I have seen on service. Thanks so much . I needed this video !!!!

@jonh2408

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching

Best video I've seen so far on the topic. The fluid is black like coffee which is worrying for a "lifetime" fluid fill. My understanding is that as the clutches wear, the transmission adjusts the clutch on/off time so you can get by without changing the fluid. Once the clutches are completely worn, you toss the transmission out.

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching... thats the first I've heard about the clutches.... but could be. I know these transmissions are known for longevity

GREAT VIDEO!! Thanks for making this video, it is very detailed and VERY helpful. I've never seen a chart showing all the fluids specs like that.

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching... ya you can find stuff online if you dig hard enough.

I am part way through this and was watching to see if the pan had the removable filter, I'm also from Canada and didn't notice they sold the pan with removable filter and just ordered the filter for the updated pan which I obviously can't install. My oil is very dark at 200k so I may recommend to the parents after I fill it that the next time they go for a flush at 300k rather than change the very expensive mopar oil I just bought that is non returnable haha. Very informative video and I wish I had spent a few hours looking online before I pulled the pin thinking I have what I need. Thanks!

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching... glad the video helped. Please share it if you can

In Canada there are people with knowledge. I am happy to live here

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you.. if you own a grand cherokee consider subscribing... there will be more WK2 vids coming

Underrated video, thanks for this!

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

Thank you for this wonderful thorough video

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

Thanks for taking the time to make this video. There is soooo much conflicting information out there, but you presented the facts in writing. Awesome Awesome Awesome video!!!! Thanks you.....

@jonh2408

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching

I don't own an 8 speed ZF but found your video to be a compelling review of the current dilemma in auto transmission service. You nailed it precisely when you stated the economic relationship totally drives what is and is not recommended for modern fluid applications. The nagging question is why have they engineered units that require such exacting precision when they have to know the average mechanic just hacks away at some of these jobs. I suspect the sealed unit labeling is to keep sloppy and untrained mechanics from doing more harm than good. Luckily modern fluids are up to the task if you don't push them too far. Thanks for sharing your detailed findings.

@jonh2408

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching

I just changed pan and fluid on my 2014 chrysler 300. 238k miles. I bought the car with 182k miles and previous owner never changed the fluid. I drove it for 56k miles but not hard and did experience some hesitation when hitting the gas medium to hard. Once i changed it and drove it around, what a difference. Very responsive and much more smoother. I also noticed about 3 to 3.5 qt that came out and i had a 6 quart pump that was nearly empty by the time i filled it back up and topped it off at 110 degrees. So i was probably low on fluid that whole time I had the car from the first owner. I plan on doing another pan and oil change after 20k miles or so. Definitely would recommend changing. 👍✌

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. Please share video if you get a chance.

very helpful in all aspects. Thanks a lot. An Audi Q5 in Malaysia with a ZF 8 speed transmission thanks you too :-)

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate it... thanks for watching

Hi I'm Ronny from Belgium. I like your video. What I wanted to say. The two men with blue overalls are not from ZF, they are very good mechanics from Cologne (Germany) with their own KZread channel called Die Autodoktoren (the car doctors) I'm really impressed with those guys. Real toppers. Definitely worth a look. 👍🏼 Greetings from Belgium

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info... appreciate that

This is the most informative transmission video ever. I decided for the Valvoline. I bought an aluminum pan for $110 off Ebay. The filter is changeable once the pan is off, but I have no idea what to order. I asked the ebay seller. I imagine that most of the solids in the system come from the first few thousand miles. I don;t know if I will change the filter again. One bit of advice for fluid changes only... Shift into reverse to backflush the filter for 5 seconds, shift to park, and turn off engine.

@jonh2408

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip... do you have an 8hp70 transmission?

@alaind831

2 жыл бұрын

David what makes you think reverse would backflush the filter ? that would imply the pump runs backward rather than some solenoid changing the path....

@kowpow2259

4 ай бұрын

Yes that's a misconception. Whatever fluid is being 'backflushed' is simply traveling through the torque converter. You could just leave it in neutral for the same effect.

F¥€KING A+ I bought a 2016 Ram 1500 yesterday with 100 000miles on not knowing the dealership can’t service the transmission so just like you I like my stuff maintained. I got everything at O’Reilly’s. Fixing to do it tomorrow before I head out to Florida 👍🏻👍🏻

@jonh2408

8 ай бұрын

Nice, glad I could help

Thanks for you research, you rock made me comfortable with the change of my fluid 👊🏾 keep up the great work

@jonh2408

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching. There will be a follow up coming soon

Hello from Belgium !!! I hope my english will be good enough ... I plan to do the oil and filter change on my 2014 Ecodiesel WK2 (100 000 km) soon. Your very detailed investigations helped me deciding ... not to rush into. I would first look for a way to properly flush the cooler lines and radiator. Maybe by removing the pipes at the thermostatic vale ? And perform both the same day with a pre-fill of the cooler side. Of course it needs a complete warm-up to entirely fill the cooler circuit, then recheck the level as per instructions when back to recommended "cold" conditions. Regards

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. If you can find a shop that has an "exchange machine," you don't need to worry about the temp. When I had mine done it worked fine. My vehicle was at full temperature when I got to the shop. So when the exchange started the cooler lines were open. Since they only exchange 1 liter at a time, the introduction of 1 liter of new fluid is not enough to reduce the temperature significantly. Add to that the vehicle is running while the exchange is happening, so that helps it not lose to much temp over the course of the 30 mins service.

Huge help Jon thank you. Going to be using the PPE aluminum pan on my Ram. I am in the New York area of the USA . I don't have a Great Canadian Oil Change. So I need to figure out how to flush the system if possible. I really appreciate all the data and information you gave us . I know it was quite a bit of work. God Bless you my friend , excellent 👍🏻

@jonh2408

7 ай бұрын

I'm sure there are oil change places around there that have the same exchange machine. It's hard to imagine something being available in Canada and not the US

@1965RonnieP

7 ай бұрын

@jonh2408 I'm going to look around, thanks again for your help Jon

@evanranshaw4659

3 ай бұрын

I'm considering either obtaining and modifying one of those thermostatic valves to stay open constantly, or buying a bypass kit for them, then temporarily installing that device to allow the flush, then reinstalling the thermostatic valve afterwards. I know it sounds like a lot of extra work, but I'd kinda like to be able to flush out ALL the old fluid.

Great video and good advice. I took a transmission repair course at a local tech school. The removal of the pan at every servicing was stressed for examining the amount of fine metal on the magnets and pan sump. Some minor shiny specs are expected from wear of your steel clutch plates. Also a gray paste may be found as settlement which are you clutch disc fibers. Excessive material, or larger materials, or bronze flags an impending unit failure the customer should know about. I serviced my 19 BMW X3 at 50K miles with the ZF bottled fluid. Existing fluid came out almost clear with abnormal wear metals as your appeared. While someone might think I changed it early, disposing of fluid still with life left. To me I changed it at the correct time before the wear prevention properties of the fluid were depleted. This is to prevent any unnessary wear. Fluid also contains seal conditioners which keep the rubber lip seals in the clutch packs and accumulated pliable. These conditioners can be depleted before the fluid starts to darken. I did a single drain and fill which took five quarts. 10K miles later unit is still functioning as new.

@jonh2408

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for all the tips. I've really been wanting to try the amsoil ATF as it has a great reputation. But the cost is very hard to justify as it's more than the lifeguard 8.

@wtaylorhudson3702

3 ай бұрын

@@jonh2408 you have found the ZF8 fluid at a great price if it is less than Amsoil. I have been an Amsoil user for thirty years.

Amazing video. Very informative👍👍

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

THANKS FOR WATCHING... GLAD YOU FOUND IT HELPFUL

Very well detailed and helpful thank you so much for taking time to do it.😊

@jonh2408

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching

Damn all this information is mind blowing!

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

Lol... they definitely make it more complicated than it needs to be

What an education. Thanks for making this amazing & concise content. Subbed!

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

thank you for summing up all your research and share with us

@jonh2408

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching

I will be changing mine soon. The aluminum pan (PPE) interests me for my Ram 1500 3.6v6 w/ 3.21 rear gears. I am not so brave as to use the Max Life just yet, though I use it in everything else. With tall gears, these 8 spds shift alot. Funny, Max Life & Lifeguard 8 smell almost identical! The dark in the ZF is likely friction modifier. Great video!

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

If you do try the PPE pan please let me know how it worked out. Total cost, how long it took to arrive and what difference (if any) you noticed in temperatures. I also agree that the fluid "specs" only show a portion of the full picture. Things like friction modifiers and other additives might be be represented in the fluid specs

@jackbonner336

3 жыл бұрын

I shall let you know, Jon. Again, very nice video. You did alot of legwork. I will let you know on the PPE pan. Keep us posted on your Max life fluid experience. Thanks.

@jackbonner336

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonh2408 Well, I finally did my pan/fluid on my '18 Ram 3.6 4x4 at 49K mi. Alligator Performance gave me the best deal on a PPE pan for $263. 4.5 qts came out, 6.5 of Lifeguard 8 went in. The factory bolts, spacers & gasket were cleaned and used to install. Lemme know is you have questions. So far, it seems to run about 5-6° cooler than stock.

@jaimezapien4897

2 жыл бұрын

Nope it's the glow shit they put in it so the insurance company will be able to detect the difference in oils, the zf oil glows in the dark.. that's the only difference between these oils...zf fluid glows in the dark....that's the only difference..it's purely for leaks. To see ..and insurance reasons only

Dude,, You rock! GREAT REVIEW!!

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

Thanks... appreciate it

This was so informative. Please do a video for Mazda's FZ ATF!

Excellent excellent excellent video sir i commend you on basically writing a technical paper on this transmission!

@jonh2408

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching

Crazy how much information is in this video... With a little editing you could make videos professionally full time... Awesome vid

@jonh2408

4 ай бұрын

Appreciate it, thanks for watching

Quite informative! Thank you

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

Very good video. Thanks for taking the time.

@jonh2408

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching... there will be an update video coming soon

Nice video! This matter is truly polemic all around the world - it would be so much easier if the manufacturers followed ZF instructions on their service intervals. I think in a near future we’re going to see lots of broken transmissions due to lack of maintenance - and this will lay down on used cars price and reliability. Anyway, the video sections were nicely chosen. Congrats!

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

Ya based on forum content it is definitely a divisive topic. Thanks for watching

@bonniegoutremout1469

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonh2408 If I do just a filter change and refill with the maxlife on my 2017 Ram (8HP70) with 155,000 miles will it hurt to mix the maxlife with the ZF Lifeguard 8 fluid?

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

@@bonniegoutremout1469 It didn't affect my vehicle mixing the fluids. I'd highly recommend checking around for a shop that has an "exchange machine" if you want to get all new fluid.

Great analysis

@jonh2408

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

Thank you for all the info!

@jonh2408

Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching

Thank you sir for your time its very helpful

Great informative video!

@jonh2408

2 жыл бұрын

Thank

thanks for all the info sharing and it is very useful.

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

Thanks for this useful info bud... good job!

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you found it helpful.... thanks for watching

Excellent video. Thank you for your time.

@jonh2408

18 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching

Good test, very good video. Congratulations from Spain. Mi car: BMW F10 520d whit ZF 8HP50Z. Flush its essential.

@jonh2408

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

Excellent Video, Thankyou

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

Your video helped a ton! Thank you again!

@jonh2408

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching... there will be a follow up video coming soon.

@atomikrobot300099

10 ай бұрын

@@jonh2408 Looking forward to it! I am also in Canada... I have jugs of MaxLife on my shelf for my other family vehicles. Looking forward to hearing how it's been doing in your 8 speed!

Thank You for this video!!!

@jonh2408

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

Jon, "Thank you so much for the video!" On mark!

@jonh2408

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

Great Video!!!!.....thanks!!!!.....i think ill do drain and fill twice....

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. Please share video if you can

The PPE pan was just a bit over $300 (US). I bought a Felpro gasket for it at rock auto which was @ $12 I've already pressed the gasket into the channel around the PPE pan. The PPE pan has a deeper area where the filter sits. There is one round magnet which is @ 1" in diameter in that "deeper section". That's how they get another quart or two in the total capacity. From what I've learned on a doge ram forum is that the ZF transmission needs to be leveled. That is how an accurate fill level is achieved. I got the rear wheels up about 9" to achieve this. I used a torpedo level on the transmission rails until i got it right. Tomorrow I am doing the work. Also getting the old pan out isn't a problem. On some videos the guys loosened the three mounting bolts. then put a jack with a piece of wood under the transmission. They had to raise it about an inch to get the new PPE pan in place. Then removed the jack and tightened the bolts. And of course Chrysler/Dodge designed the original pan drain bolt directly over an exhaust crossover pipe! The PPE pan drain plug in a different place so the exhaust pipe isn't in the way. The replacement filter is @ $36

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for all the info on the PPE pan. What fluid did you go with, and have you noticed any difference in temps since switching to the aluminum pan?

Nice Work! Thanks

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching...

Hello Mr. John. I hope you are well. Thank you very much for your video. Mr. John, my job is car service. I have a few questions for you. I would be very grateful if you could guide me. 1. Regarding automatic transmissions, VT and DCT, what is your recommendation for changing the transmission fluid in daily driving conditions, for example, driving in traffic and highways and driving under high pressure? After how many thousand kilometers is the car working? 2. If a car with 120 or 150 thousand kilometers comes to my garage to change the transmission fluid, is it possible to damage the transmission by changing the transmission fluid? 3. Regarding cars with working conditions Above, is it possible to change half of the gearbox oil with new gearbox fluid instead of replacing all the gearbox fluid in order to reduce the possible damage to the gearbox? 4. Usually, in what kilometers of the car's operation is there a possibility of damage to the gearbox oil cooling radiator and coolant infiltration into the gearbox? Respect and best wishes.

Awesome video. Thanks.

@jonh2408

18 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching

Great vid!

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you... I made another one showing a coolant system flush... check it out if your interested. kzread.info/dash/bejne/l2STqLKyp5ioo8Y.html

Great research!

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.... please share the video if you can

GREAT VIDEO!!✨

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

I have a lifetime warranty on my Ram. I guess I could just let the fluid go until the transmission had issues but I like you are reluctant to do that. But when I do change the fluid, I should stay with Lifeguard 8/Mopar or a fluid that looks very similar.

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

Wow... lifetime warranty... I didn't know that was even an option. It certainly isn't in canada... sounds great though

Does the Great Canadian Oil Change place with the transmission machine have anything special relative to what Valvoline, Midas, Jiffy Lube ,... (i.e. auto shops in the USA) have to offer? Just trying to make sure if I pay for the service I am getting a better change than what I can do by hand

@Michiganmtb

3 ай бұрын

Have you found any service chains in the US I’m looking myself. Thanks in advance

my mostly Europe highway driven f25 with ZF 8HP came out of warranty just a bit after hitting 180k km mark, and i changed the oil with zf oem because i felt it started not to switch gears as smoothly as it used to. sadly the smoothness did not recover after changing it 😥 , but still works fine though so i urge you guys...change it after the first 100k km if you can, just to be safe. if you do it this often then you won't need a complete flush, ZF maintenance manual even sais a fimple oil drain/change will do it (so no need for the expensive torq converter pressure oil change)

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear it's shifting rough. When you say you changed the oil - did you replace the pan and clear the magnets?... And how much oil did you change... might be worth getting an exchange "not flush" but full exchange done.

@user-qz6ix7od3b

Жыл бұрын

@@jonh2408 yes of course, the pan including filter changed. only 5L of oil used though as the tork converter was not flushed. don't get me wrong, it is shifting *almost smooth, I may just be exaggerating a bit 😜 but the car does have now 200k so...with age wrinkles come also

I have a 2019 Ram 1500. Just passed 100k km and decided to service the transmission. I used all Mopar fluid and pan/filter assembly. Not much more complicated than any other transmission and definitely worth the hour and a half the service took. Whatever fluid you use just make sure it gets serviced, don't listen to the "lifetime fill" bs the dealership will tell you....

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

What did the Mopar pan cost where you live?

@mobleyMobley

Жыл бұрын

What does manual say?

@gregbloodworth6000

Жыл бұрын

Wow thats alot of miles on a 2019...I have a 2014 with barely 97,000 on it.

@mobleyMobley

Жыл бұрын

@@gregbloodworth6000 i have a 14 with 150k miles.

Great video

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, hope it was helpful

Great Video Jon, from a fellow Canadian and hobby mechanic. After all of that, sounds like Great Can Oil change is the way to go :) Any complaints with the Valvoline yet, or does it seem to be good? Again, Thanks for taking the time and thorough vid!

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

Ya thanks for watching... ya the valvoline is still running fine. I know alot of people rave about how much "better" or smoother it shifts with valvoline. I didn't notice any difference in that regard. I did notice it takes alot longer to reach 93 C (which seems to be the temp it runs at). This would indicate ( to me at least) that the original fluids ability to absorb heat was definitely impacted. I see now lots of good reviews on that $30 pan i mentioned in the comments

@matte578

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonh2408 Thanks for the Reply! That about settles it then.. take it in for a Valvoline flush... :) That'll be a lot easier than I had anticipated this was going to be, esp getting a FULL flush! Have a great weekend!

Great video. For what's it worth, if nobody has mentioned it yet, ZF doesn't manufacture their own fluid - they build transmissions. From my research, Shell makes the fluid for ZF, which explains why Shell sells it in bulk to Audi.

@jonh2408

7 ай бұрын

So lifeguard 8 is a product of shells?

@garybittner

7 ай бұрын

@@jonh2408 From my understanding, Shell makes it for ZF. ZF probably provided specs to Shell, and Shell developed the lubricant mix for production originally. Inasmuch, they probably also package it for the manufacturers for resale and use in their shops. This also explains why the Shell product is not being resold under their Quaker State and Pennzoil brands, in deference to ZF and auto manufacturers.

@jonh2408

7 ай бұрын

@garybittner interesting... thanks for the insight. That also coincides with the product specs being identical for lifeguard 8 and the shell ML - 12108.

Top class information and great presentation. Perhaps you can explain how a multi vehicle ATF can conform to the 19 Mercedes specifications. The same multi vehicle claims to confirm to 6 Hyundai specifications. Hyundai service bulletins state that only two of the fluids listed are backward compatible. What is your take on this.

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

Well I can't speak to specific Hyundai vehicles. But I will say the ZF 8 speed transmission is one of the most widely used on the market. Dozens of models across several manufacturers use it (or a closely related version of it). So if you have a fluid that meets the spec for the ZF 8 speed, then that fluid will cover dozens of different cars. It's important to remember that car manufacturers want to maximize profits. So if they can re-brand (or re-blend) their own version of lifeguard 8 and sell it for a much higher price, they will. And of course their going "discourage/diswaid" you from buying elsewhere. When I asked my local Jeep dealership if I should use Lifeguard 8 fluid, they told me "no, you should only use mopar 8&9 speed fluid". The girl on the phone had no idea that the transmission was made by ZF, no idea that lifeguard 8 was actually the fluid recommended (not to mention the exact same thing as mopar 8&9).. she just knows what she's supposed to tell me as a Chrysler employee.

just as a follow up.. So was talking to a member in another forum about servicing options for the 8 speed transmissions. He mentioned he had bought a replacement pan for his vehicle for $29. I immediately thought he must be mistaken as i had looked far and wide for pans not long ago for my own GC. In my search I had found some pans online for around $110ca but the reviews on them were terrible. In some cases the gasket looked cheap, or they didn't come with magnets. I was very skeptical and kept thinking (and hoping since i just paid $170 for mine) that he has the wrong pan, or it's gotta be just the gasket...ect. However much to my surprise I was able to find the pan online and it looks identical to the dorman pan i ordered from rockauto. It has the same thick rubber gasket and even appears to have a metal drain plug (rather than a plastic one although it only appears in pic so can't actually confirm that). He says it arrived as ordered and appears to be as described... not flimsy or weak. I just thought I would share the info since the cost of the pan is what makes alot of people think twice about doing a service. He is going to follow up after installing it but I'm definitely cautiously optimistic about seeing a pan available in this price range! www.ebay.com/itm/68233701AA-Auto-Transmission-Oil-Pan-For-Ram-1500-Chrysler-300-with-8HP70-845RE/264645659904?hash=item3d9e1c4d00%3Ag%3AJrsAAOSwAUBeU2wE

@joeroe2839

3 жыл бұрын

Any more info on how it came out , how was the gasket holding up? Did it have all 4 magnets?

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

@@joeroe2839 he says it did have all 4 magnets... haven't heard on the gasket.. I think I'll order one myself so I can do a review on it. I mean for 30 bucks not much to lose. My concern is more centered on the filter material... I would like to compare it to the replaceable filter in the dorman pan (from rock auto) I used in my video

@joeroe2839

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonh2408 yea true not much to lose lol and yea ur right ima go ahead and order , thing is lost all my fluid in my 14 sport 300 my ac clutch caught my oil cooler line and made a hole in it, so idk how much to put in, also do u think it ve alright if I mix it with the factory z fluid red/z fluid

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

@@joeroe2839 not sure if you had a chance to watch the whole video but before I learned about the exchange machine I did a few drain and fills using valvoline. Using the maxlife with the old fluid was fine in my 8hp70... have also seen alot videos and comments from people who drain out (approx 40 - 50%) their original fluid and refill with an aftermarket one (mostly valvoline or amsoil) and have never heard of a problem.... BTW if you want to read the detailed report on the $30 pan (including some pics) the forum is called "RAM 1500 DIESEL FORUM" and the post is called $30 replacement pan.

@joeroe2839

3 жыл бұрын

Yes sir I went tru the whole vid i was just makin sure or if it would be a problem but yea ima mix it then and go from there thanx u sir and keep up the good work and talkin your time to make em 😎🤛🏼👌🏽

For anyone looking for companies in the states that offer the exchange through the fill port. Some jiffy Lubes do have this machine and are willing to do it. Mine shop was aware of the process for jeeps and will do it as long as the jeep is under 100k on the transmission . Getting prices now ✌️

@jonh2408

3 ай бұрын

Nice. Jiffy Lubes are pretty common so should be easy for most people.

Great video Jon I did my own last year on my 2016 Dodge Charger Scatpack at 113K. My question about Great Canadian Oil Change is if you bring them your own oil how much is needed for the full flush and does it get all the oil out? Have you had any issues since changing to the Valvoline?

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

They used 15 liters when they flushed mine and it was very clean when they were done (as you saw in the video). The capacity of the entire system is around 8.7 liters. When I brought mine in there I had already done 3 drain and fills so my fluid was already somewhat "cleaner" than original. How much impact that fact had on the end result I can't say, but given that 15L is twice the total capacity I'd say it would come out pretty clean. It's still running fine with the maxlife... when I do the next fluid change (at 150,000 km's) I will send a sample to Blackstone and see what the report is on Valvoline with 50,000 km's on it

@dougwatson6406

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonh2408 Thanks for the info Jon

Red Line Synthetic D6 ATF - Viscosity @ 100° C - 6.4 cSt Viscosity @ 40° C 30.7 cSt Flash Point 249° C - The flash point is extremely high and great for long endurance races. Many positive comments from racers.

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

Ya I wish red line was easier to find in Canada. Seems like a great products.

I just changed the oil pan and fluid on my 14 Wk2. Found two big chunks of metal!! Make sure you change your transmission oil!!!! Got a new transmission installed at 100K miles. Now at 168 and it’s starting to kick again. Tried getting the transmission oil changed by the dealer and they didn’t recommend it… that’s bs! there’s no such thing as life time oil.

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

Was the first transmission change covered under warranty?... I'm not surprised to hear the dealership didn't want to change the fluid. Although some would be happy to do it, and take $1200 from you in the process. I am surprised to hear about your tranny problems as the zf transmissions have a good to great reputation (depending which one you end up with). Is your WK2 a V6 or V8?. Do you do alot of towing? Was there alot of smaller particles on your magnets along with the bigger chunks?

Do you have a link to that video showing the ZF technicians talking about the servicing of the transmissions? I don’t see any link to it on the list. Thanks!

@jonh2408

2 жыл бұрын

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Jon, I have a 2020 Dodge Challenger 6.4 with a ZF 8 HP, I drive spirited and go to the track approx 1 to 2 x per month. Wich fluid in your opinion is the best quality and performance. I'm thinking Amsoil, or Redline. I'm also interested in getting the Aluminum pan. I'm in Miami Florida and need the extra cooling. Right now I'm at 30k and plan to do this at 35k or sooner. Also does the Aluminum pan have the 4 magnets, and exchangeable filter ? Also are the viscosity with the Amsoil or Redline the same ? Thanks for the great video. Extremely informative. Oh yeah , and if you can recommend a better fluid for my ZF brand LSD Differential that came with my car. The Mopar fluid cost $40.00 Dollars per quart. Takes 1.7 on the diff, if I remember correctly, and I'm sure it's not as good as Redline or Amsoil.

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

So I went with the valvoline on mine because of the amount of reviews/reports of people having used it. Also because I don't do much heavy towing or demanding driving. That being said my second choice would be the amsoil. It isn't much cheaper but the limited amount of reviews I was able to find on it were all positive. With the track racing and just general driving style on that kind of vehicle I think its worth the investment. I might suggest asking around to other chrysler/dodge guys at the track (challengers/trackhawks/demons) what there general consensus is. Find out what they've been using. I'll look into the diff fluid as I've never thought about that one before.

this was very comprehensive and very good! Thanks. I am planning on changing my oem pan to the PPE aluminum pan on my 2015 dodge ram 1500 with the 5.7L By the way do you know of any American shops that do that fluid exchange?

@jonh2408

2 жыл бұрын

I don't... but if the fluid exchange machine is available here in Canada, then it would surely be available in the US. I'm curious to know what the filter setup on the aluminum pan is like, whether it has 4 magnets. If you could let me know what the pan cost you and how hard it was to find a gasket for it. And if what difference (if any) you noticed about your operating temperature, I'd appreciate it. And thanks for watching

Thank you very much! Maybe I missed it but exactly how much fluid should I put back in the transmission after replacing the pan. 2017 Grand Cherokee Laredo....

@jonh2408

2 жыл бұрын

Put back in the same amount you drained out... also there are instructions online for checking the fluid level properly.

@jonh2408

2 жыл бұрын

The link for the instructions is in the description (hopefully still working)

Some really great info on this debated topic. Curious how that replacement machine works... seems like it would still end up just mixing like your drain and fill process does. They don't drop the pan even?

@jonh2408

7 ай бұрын

I will be going for my next change soon and will make a video at the shop. But no, they don't drop the pan. I think the reason it works so well is they use 15 liters of new fluid and the capacity of the system is around 7 liters. So they pump twice as much new fluid through as it could hold. I probably had some advantage because when I got mine done I had done 3 drain and fills already, so the fluid was already much newer/cleaner from the start.

Could I ask a simple question. When did you get the after Great Canadian oil change sample? It just seems too good to be true that it could get so clear if it was mixing with the entire system.

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

So the video might seem a little confusing as it's not actually filmed in chronological order. I did 3 drain and fills replacing around 3-4 liters each time. Then I became aware of the Great Canadian option. The last sample was taken immediately after the service was complete. They used 15 liters of maxlife and that's what the fluid looked like when complete. They cracked my drain plug to get me the sample. So the vehicle had not been driven yet when that sample was taken, but in fairness the vehicle is running for the entire service. This means that for the entire 45 mins your own tranny pump is circulating fluid. So I would think over that period of time the fluid would fully mix together from all nooks and crannies. I suppose the easiest way to tell would be to crack the drain plug now that I've driven 10k and check it out

@davebrown6552

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonh2408 Thanks for the reply. It just seemed too good to be true (but I an a life long cynic), Do you know if the cooling valve opened during the process? The engine and transmission were obviously not working hard but also were not being cooled by moving. Ie did the process replace the oil in the cooler or does it just do a better job of replacing the oil circulating within the transmission? If the cooler oil is as good as the sample then that is a truly amazing process. I commend you for an excellent, well researched and informative video. you will save a lot of people who would like their transmission to last beyond its first oil change from being ripped off by the manufacturer. I think you plan of 50k oil and 100k for the filter will be a great strategy.

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

@@davebrown6552 So the drive to great canadian was about 15 mins for me. Upon arrival my tranny temp (according to the gauge on my dash) was around 60 Celsius. My normal "operating temp" once fully warmed up is 93 Celsius. When the service was complete I do recall the temp was around 80 degrees. This was too warm to properly check fluid level (which according to the instructions from zf) should be done between 30 - 50 Celsius. I drove home and came back the next day to get that done. Whether hitting 80 was enough to make the thermostatic bypass valve open I'm not sure. I'm also not sure how much fluid the cooler and lines hold 🤔. If you really wanted to ensure it did I would recommend driving around until you reach you max temp just before going in for the service. Or I guess you could rev up your engine during the 45 min service to try and get the temp to climb more quickly. When you go back the next day to get your level checked you could have them pull a quick sample to see what it looks like after driving around for a night.

First of all thanks for the great video , the best about ZF 8 so far , I have a Ram 1500 2015 did a flush with the special machine with 130k in some special transfer Service ( live in Europe ) couldn’t find Ram dealer 2 years ago , now I have 205 k km on my ram and month ago started the shifting really bad , temperature is ok it’s not getting hot at all ,called the service again and asked wich oil they’ve used they said Ravenol because i didn’t asked for the lifeguard 8 from ZF , due the Covid i’m not able to travel to the Service back , but yesterday i’ve found on ebay kit with 7 litres of the ZF 8 oil and the pan , can’t find any servise with this flush machine where I live now , do you thing it’s gonna be ok if I just change the pan and oil without flushing the tran ? is it gonna help ? or It can go bad if the ZF oil mixes with the Ravenol ? any ideas ? thanks for help take care

@jonh2408

2 жыл бұрын

Well if it ran fine on the Ravenol for that long.. I would think it unlikely that it caused the problem. Maybe look around and see if you can find a local oil change place with the other type of flush machine (like in the video). I mixed my fluid with the maxlife and it ran fine.

@MrDextermorganmiami

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonh2408 hi thanks for the answer, found one , filter 900 USD , oil 1liter 89 USD , and changing the oil they want to charge me another 1500 USD live in Switzerland it’s crazy the prices here , so i’m ordering the original ZF8 kit with the pan and 7 litres of oil for 230 USD form ebay and ask the local Service just to change the pan and oil and see what is gonna happen hope it’s gonna help take care

Really need your help. I have an Audi A6 2007 quattro with s-line. Transmission is 6HP19A but cant tell which color fluid is. Is it zf 6 or zf 8 that i need? The chart you show has both of them listed!?!?

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

The chart I show in my video shows fluids for the ZF 8 speed transmissions. The transmission in your car is a ZF 6 speed. Don't worry about the color of the fluid. Just make sure whatever fluid you use is compatible to your transmission. The fluids will list online (or on the jug itself) what transmissions it covers.

@DebtFreeCars

Жыл бұрын

@@jonh2408 yes. Above the chart it shows the zf6 but for thr 6HP19A. It shows it works eith both zf 6 and zf8 fluid

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

@DebtFreeCars well on rockauto.com it lists valvoline maxlife as a fluid... along with several others. You are correct it lists the 8 speed fluid (despite the fact yours is a 6 speed). I would just use maxlife if it were me. But you could also check with your local parts store (Napa, Auto parts plus) or as a last resort the AUDI dealership (although they'll likely tell you only to use their fluid at an extortionate rate.

Que tan ,este fluido si lo puedo utilizar en una Jeep grand cherokee límited 2015??

also what has been your experience with the Valvoline Maxlife since you did the service? how many miles have you put on it since then?

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

I did the exchange at 105,000 km (as my warranty ran out at 100,000) and now I have 153,000 km. It still runs great. As mentioned in the original video, I'm going to exchange fluid after 50,000 km so very soon I'll do the follow-up video. I'm hoping the shop will let me film the process of them using their exchange machine. I also plan on sending a sample of the used valvoline to Blackstone. I was thinking of trying the amsoil product this time, but it's over $220 for 4 liters!!!

How is this pan and fluid combo doing? I bought a cheap Ebay pan over a year ago and filled with Valvoline MV ATF. The gasket pinched and bulged during final torque, eventually seeping and dripping under full throttle loads, it's been almost 30k miles so I'm going to replace what I'm hoping is just a garbage gasket. Curious if the Dorman 265850 set from Rock Auto solves the problem. Thanks, Tim

@jonh2408

2 жыл бұрын

Ya the dorman one is doing fine. There was talk of one on here that was $30. I was of course suspicious of it at that price. But the little feedback I did hear on it was good. I think its in one of my comments. But ya the dorman one has been good. Will do another video at 150k showing the fluid exchange (with fluid samples) machine at great canadian. Then another video at 200k where I replace the "replaceable filter" on the dorman pan.

@GarcBomber

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonh2408 bought an OEM gasket seal just in case, many people complaining of these leaking too.

I was at a course from ZF at a BMW center. The term "lifetime" is tested for 180.000 km. They recommended changing first time at around 100.000 km. And after that every 60.000. Also its way better to flush than to change, since 50% of the additives are are absobed by the 30-40 percent of the old fluid theres still in there.

@jonh2408

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting, thanks for the info...

Hello Very good video with a lot of information. Looking on the data sheet with all fluids details in comparison and knowing that zf is a semisyntetic oil, Motul a full synthetic for example. My question is, technically, Motul will be a better oil than zf, looking as well at the viscosities values at 40°, 100° and the viscositiy index? Thanks

@jonh2408

2 жыл бұрын

I'm honestly not knowledgeable enough to make that call... but from what I hear motul is a very good oil

@tucaliucdumitru2016

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonh2408 Thank you!

Any updates months after on using valvoline max fluid? How is it performing on your jeep?

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

It's good... I changed it at about 105,000 km's and now have about 123,000 km's. Everything is the same for me. I know I've seen alot of forums/comments about how amazing the difference is. How it shifts "silky smooth" and gets better fuel economy. I haven't noticed anything like that with mine. It's all the same with the exception of it takes quite alot longer to reach operating temperature (which on my jeep is 93° C). In my mind that's an indicator of the original fluids worn ability to absorb heat. But ya still running great

I have a 2020 Jeep Gladiator 8 speed auto. Mopar recommends to use the "Mopar 8 & 9 Speed ATF" for the Transmission fluid change and "Mopar ATF + 4" for the transfer case fluid change. Is there even a difference between the two ? Can I just use the "ATF + 4" for both the transmission and the transfer case. The "8 & 9 Speed ATF" is like $33 but the "ATF + 4" is $10. I'm pretty sure they're both the same thing basically. Thoughts ?

@jonh2408

2 ай бұрын

No they are definitely NOT the same. But you can use valvoline maxlife which is much cheaper

So you can't use a traditional exchange machine on this zf8hp70 transmission?

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

You can, but there's a chance of not getting the fluid in the cooler/lines. And a chance of damaging the valve in the thermostatic bypass as the exchange machine "forces fluid through" with more pressure than your own pump

Will the valvoline Max life atf work for the bw44-44 transfer case?

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

That's a good question... the only fluid listing I found was on rock auto. Under a 2018 ram with 5.7L I found a fluid called pentosin atf - 44. I must admit I'm not an expert when it comes to this so I would be very cautious. Sorry I couldn't be more help

So regarding the viscosities are higher indexes better, are higher viscosity at higher temperatures preferred?

@jonh2408

8 ай бұрын

Well it depends on the specific type of transmission your vehicle uses and the temperatures your using it in. So water has a much lower viscosity than maple syrup. In other words it flows easier. If you heat maple syrup, it flows easier to meaning its viscosity lowers. I know the ZF transmissions use a lower viscosity fluid (maybe because if it flows easier you get better fuel economy) and run at a higher temperature than most. So to answer your question - NO higher viscosity is not preferred (as that would mean a thicker less flowable fluid) but higher temperature is. So the hotter your transmission fluid gets the lower viscosity it has, and it's designed that way for reasons (probably several) that only the engineers would know

Jon, I never make comments on the youtube. But for you I'll make the exception. Fantastic job. A wee longwinded but needed to be. Wife just picked up a 17 Pacifica and need info on tranny fluid change. Her's is a 9 speed but I believe same things apply. How's your Jeep doing? Again, thanks for all your hard work and research. I have a hard time believing Chrysler is telling folks Lifetime no service. Sounds like a crock of shite to me.

@jonh2408

9 ай бұрын

Appreciate the friendly word. The jeep is doing great. I'm at 170,000 km now so will be doing a follow up video showing the machine that does the "exchange" soon

Hello. Febi bilstein atf 3+ 8 longlife it's a good oil for the zf 45?

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure... its the first time I've heard of this brand. There does seem to be alot of information available about it.

hello jon good video, excellent information! .... you know, I have a classic ram 1500 pickup 3.6 liters gasoline, 2018, I am worried about its transmission temperature ZF 8 speeds, it registers 190 degrees Fahrenheit with normal use in the city center The strange thing is that it has 8000 miles, should I change the oil ??? .... Thanks for your explanation ... Greetings from Chile South America!!

@jonh2408

2 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks for watching... as I mentioned in the video these transmissions seem to run warm. My grand cherokee with the 5.7L runs at 93C normally as well. I think its a good idea to change your fluid on a regular basis... but your temps are normal

@jaimezapien4897

2 жыл бұрын

No mine runs that all the time, and mines only has 38 thousand miles...now if it was 200 and over ,then I would change the trans oil

In the US, at least, many shops are getting away from flushes--allegedly for fear of damaging a transmission.

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

Ya the fear of dislodging/relocating debris into the mapping ducts. Personally i think this happens VERY RARELY. If you consider the number of flushes done every year compared to the number that result in problems its miniscule. I think in most cases, someone who has never serviced their transmission starts getting rough shifts or some other symptom. In an attempt to solve the problem, they decide to now do maintenance they should've done long ago. The transmission fluid with high mileage has more metallic debris than normal due to lack of changing it ever. By removing this debris the plates slip easier because the new "clean" fluid has less friction. Or the flush pushes/pressures debris into ducts causing harsher shifts. The customer leaves angry thinking the service was a waste of time and just made things worse. But the real problem is fact they never did any maintenance. Bad news travels fast and the person blames the service. But my guess would be this actually happens less than 1% of the time

@johngranato2673

Жыл бұрын

@@jonh2408 I agree. It's like quitting smoking after decades and then complaining when you can't fully regain lung function. Thanks, brother.

a couple oils missed was the Gulf western SYN-TS and Penrite BMV ATF oils

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for info.... I didn't know pentrite made a low viscosity fluid and I've never heard of the other one. Who makes Gulf western?

@Trebior1

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonh2408 Gulf Western is Aussie owned. They make their own fluids

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

@@Trebior1 ok... whats the price per liter of there fluid?

@jonh2408

3 жыл бұрын

Also are you sure it's compatible with the zf 8 speed transmission?... when I looked up the product it lists the zf 6 speed and some others but not the zf 8 speed.

@Trebior1

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonh2408 hmm I looked at the data sheet for gulf western. And it didn't specify it. But the fluid properties look good. When you search it on the Gulf Western Fluid finder it specifies that. Can pick up a 4L for $15 or 20 for $115

How did you do the procedure with moving through the gears on ramps? The video's I've seen with people following the procedure include the wheels turning and getting it into 2nd gear.

@jonh2408

29 күн бұрын

You can manually select 2nd gear (at least on my GC) and the directions online from ZF don't say anything about that. I know what your referring too as I saw several people doing that as well when doing my research for the video. I'm not sure where people got those instructions from (possibly from dodge) but I followed the ones from ZF, which just says to go through all the gears P, R, N, D - 1ST & 2ND. It doesn't say anything about actually needing the wheels to turn. So I just kept foot on break and went into each gear for 10 seconds

@b_gobo

28 күн бұрын

@@jonh2408 Good to know, thanks.

Is the filter in the OEM pan not removable? I ask because I'm seeing filter kits on the internet. Thanks. Oh, and amazing tutorial, btw.

@jonh2408

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching... the filter is not removable on the original pan. At least not on anyone ive come across.