The fact Zepla was ready for 20 more minutes of Captain Grimm's content 😭 saaame

@marvolotexan

2 жыл бұрын

So true, his videos are some of the funniest videos I've ever seen lol - and these FFXIV ones have been golden

@laharlkent

2 жыл бұрын

She should look into a Guy called Asmondgold, He has watch everything Grimm makes.

@phoenixtenders5994

2 жыл бұрын

I never got into wow but that video was hilarious

@user-go8sd2uq3e

2 жыл бұрын

@@laharlkent I'm not sure if you're joking or new but assuming you are new, but isn't he the one that's usually reacting to Zepla vids XD They even did a fashion contest together lol And since he's been off stream for... a while now, she couldn't even if she wanted to.

@laharlkent

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-go8sd2uq3e 95% joking 15% sarcastic. (cause asmondgold mostly is just watching this kinda stuff if you look him up on youtube)

Thancred: "Anyway, a Primal is loose." Yeah, it's right behind you.

@celesticer9949

2 жыл бұрын

Where is that Avatar from xD its pure gold

Just the other day I was running aurum vale (blech) and there was a little white mage who was doing his best. We kept wiping at the first boss and he was so disappointed in himself saying "you guys need a better healer, this is too much for me" and we just encouraged him and told him it's alright and didn't give up and finally we did it! It was so wholesome, we were all so proud of our little white mage. That moment just made me so happy to be part of the ffxiv community Billy Thegoblin, I'm proud of you!!

@megamage911

2 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of myself the other day. I'm levelling my DRK a bit, and was doing my daily dungeon, and I fucked up a few times, pulling too much, not running as fast as the others so they died a few times, so I apologized and told them I was still learning how tanking worked in this game. They all just said it was ok, and all gave me commendations at the end

@raynhylance3546

2 жыл бұрын

Wiping on Aurum Vale is a right of passage.

@megamage911

2 жыл бұрын

@@raynhylance3546 Yes indeed, I remember wiping a few times in there myself while I was levelling haha xD

@hilman567

2 жыл бұрын

I played white mage too and Aurum Vale does sucks for healer.

@megamage911

2 жыл бұрын

@@hilman567 It's one of the first dungeons that has mechanics that are mandatory to do, or else the group dies xD

I was shocked the first time I wiped in a dungeon with a random group and everyone was chill. It's made dungeons fun again.

@isabelleda.4237

2 жыл бұрын

wow's problem is as much the systems as the guys playing it.

@javelinmaster2

2 жыл бұрын

@@isabelleda.4237 but it usually begins with the system. The thing is just that FFXIV never really had a low moment.

@sciguy98

2 жыл бұрын

The first time I had a dungeon wipe, one of the DPS said, "ok, what we did wrong there is that we died instead of the boss. Any ideas on how we make the death one-sided in the other direction?" I cracked up so much 🤣

@tenaar

2 жыл бұрын

@@isabelleda.4237 True, but WoW's systems create the guys playing it. Few WoW players came into the game toxic; the game made them that way.

@kimweel

2 жыл бұрын

I had the exact same experience, FFXIV has a great community

This literally happened to me the night before last. I’ve been testing out FFXIV on and off and had this level 39 sprout white mage I decided to dust off and take out for a spin. I just like healers, did them a lot in WoW, and hadn’t had too much trouble yet. The next storyline quest I had to do was fight Titan. I’m not sure I want to jump straight into a dungeon for my first experience back after months, but decide to just go for it and jump in group finder. I watch the whole cut scene - nervous that my whole party is going to start without me. They didn’t and were all waiting there patiently. I move forward to show I’m ready and the tank runs in and I throw regen on him and start watching the health bars closely while trying to remember where my spells are hotkeyed. And Titan jumps and I get one-shot insta-killed. I see “WIPE” typed in party-chat and feel a bit of that sick feeling. I apologize in chat. We wipe and I try again. I guess I just didn’t see the AOE, so I’m going to watch for it this time. Titan jumps - I run out of the red circle, and get knocked off the platform to my death. “WIPE.” Now I feel embarrassed and stupid and apologize again. I explain it’s my first time with this fight and ask if maybe I should be following someone else. The tank just types “OK, let’s all take a break and find out what’s killing you.” We figure it out and they explain the mechanics. And I think I’m ready so we go. Round three - I avoid the jump without getting knocked off. I’m watching the bard in the group and following him for reference. I get a rock prison and the bard busts me out. I’m keeping the party ok on health. I dodge a couple of those rock blasts that appear under your feet. The boss is getting low… excited… and I don’t dodge the third rock blast under my feet and get killed a third time. NOOOO! I’m so frustrated and not sure what’s going to happen. I figure even FFXIV players must have limits to their patience. Fortunately, the boss was low enough the party killed it anyway. Then they stuck around and consoled my corpse and told me it was ok. I apologized for them having to put up with that lousy performance. The tank says “it’s ok - just focus on being the best healer you can be!” The. They told me to enjoy my cut scenes and the tank gave me a commendation. And I’m like, oh my gosh - it’s literally not just a meme!

@robfus

2 жыл бұрын

"Why are you so friendly!?" *scream and cry in wow desperation*

@julianmorales-silva160

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Had the same reaction myself but the opposite way. I was playing ffxiv but tried out wow since my bud bought me battle for Azeroth to play with him. A mistake in hindsight. Got yelled at 4 different times. Not for wiping but for asking a question about a tooltip I didn’t get. My friend and I play FFXIV solely now.

Damn wow players are coming out of a very rough relationship Edit: sweet Jesus, can there be parasocial abuse? I hope WoW players find some measurement of peace in their fun

@Derekloffin

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed, when the polite way to disband is to insult your group :)

@TsarDragon

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed... Surprisingly there's still people that defend that game's bad decisions.

@deanbuck7985

2 жыл бұрын

This is very true and why most of us FF players have shown a bit more patience towards new players. There was a bit of increased friction at the start I saw but that's melted away.

@AhamkaraMommy

2 жыл бұрын

Once you start to notice, you'll see more than a few games showing the exact same symptoms in their playerbase... Warframe to name one.

@Mochachocakon

2 жыл бұрын

@@TsarDragon They are trapped in Bobby Kotick's genjutsu Sadge Like, WoW is still VERY enjoyable mechanically, hitting buttons feels really good, but the systems turn it into a job that you have to pay to come to.

I'll never ever forget, In WoW, playing as a tank in a dungeon: FIRST wipe, someone yelled at me: "WHY THE ** WOULD YOU PULL LIKE THAT?". In FFXIV, playing as a tank in a dungeon: After SEVERAL wipes, party members: "Let's try again!" or "Let's try smaller pulls." I know what kind of people I'd rather play with.

"Then we waste time together." really ought to be the unofficial motto of FF14. :)

@kev905

2 жыл бұрын

This attitude still blows me away. Did a dungeon with 3 sprouts a couple days ago. We wiped and wiped and then beat it. Best dungeon. EVER!

@throwmeaname

2 жыл бұрын

@@kev905 overcoming obstacles is pinnacle of gaming. So I can appreciate your experience. The idea that ppl get kicked out for mistakes makes no sense to me. Games are supposed to be fun lol

@Spika94

2 жыл бұрын

@@kev905 Last month, I was catching up on some old content from ARR I never got around to doing. We went into one of these dungeons where the final boss had you open some doors you could use to avoid a mechanic (I forget the dungeon name). We wiped on that boss like 7-8 times, and we all just had fun. They were complete random people I had never spoken to before. we even started strategizing on how to beat the boss.

@Adair92ar

2 жыл бұрын

Literally has this interaction yesterday. New tank was worried about causing a wipe and we just said if we die we die together

@soon_to_emerge

2 жыл бұрын

@@throwmeaname I’m not coming from WoW, but from another mmorpg, did Sunken Temple of Qarn as a healer couple of days ago, and just randomly zoned out when tank was pulling trash mobs and then they and one dps died. It was so awkward for me, my heart legit skipped a beat as I prepared to get thrashed on, and they just said after Raise “Don’t worry, everything is fine”. I was like O__O I got used to my previous mmo that you either know everything and can execute everything properly just to not be a nuisance for experienced players or “go to noob squads you scrub”. I still struggle with some sort of anxiety when going into group content.

I remember my first dungeon in FF14 after WoW. People began to say hello - i'm like "what a weirdos"....we cleaned dungeon pretty easy, without wipes and any toxicity in chat. In the end everyone said "Thank you". It was REAL shock. Is it how it must be??? And now after 6 months i'm still playing and i love this game and never will come back to WoW :) 100% relaxation.

@erifwodahs5298

2 жыл бұрын

idk what dungeons you were running, but people do say hello, thanks and bye all the time.

@toffi2390

2 жыл бұрын

My first ff dungeon was like they pulled everything, never stopped so i could cast a spell. Nobody answered my questions. I had no idea about how loot works so I asked and again no answer. It was terrible. No fun at all. I have better experience in wow dungeons than how ppl describe it. I don't know why many ex wow players tell it is standard that ppl are toxic in dungeons. It is rare in my experience.

@JustAChannel11631

2 жыл бұрын

@@erifwodahs5298 we are talking about wow?? lol in almost 90% dungeons below max level people don't write a single letter.

@havtor007

2 жыл бұрын

@@JustAChannel11631 Have you tried to say hello yourself? Because i have yet to see someone not say hello back or even make conversations in those dungeons, all you need to do is say hello.

@erifwodahs5298

2 жыл бұрын

@@JustAChannel11631 I don't believe you are doing any dungeons, sorry mate. I just leveled my mage and did my priest in MoP zones. People weren't too chatty, but weren't ignoring you if you said hello. Only recent experience like that was Hallows End event, but it's literally 2minute dungeon and everyone is just cycling their daily alts for the mount while watching youtube or something.

being hazed by WoW community and gaslit by Blizzard devs is the pure definition of mental abuse. It's crazy that people tolerated it for years over a video game. I briefly played in BFA and that was enough for me to say "you know what, I don't have to put up with this shit when I'm just looking to relax". FFXIV has been my home since.

@ZechsMerquise73

2 жыл бұрын

read comments for full circle gas lighting by wow players in fierce denial

@havtor007

2 жыл бұрын

​@@ZechsMerquise73 It is kinda ironic you make comments on several different places here about the same thing it honestly looks like you are in denial. I wonder did you play on US servers when you played wow?

Dear recent WoW refugees: The most important thing is to not feel rushed all the time - getting rid of this feeling takes forever, and some never succeed because of decades of having that hammered in your brain: "Waste our content as fast as possible, so you can be stuck in the content drought, complain about it, get bored so we have to rope you back in with dumb daily shit" is not a thing here. Rush yourself through everything in a month an you'll be legit done with the game, and you destroyed your own experience. Take your time. Stop to smell the roses on the side of the road every once in a while, aka breed the perfect racing chocobo and waste some time in the golden saucer and stuff like that. Importantly: There is no ONE endgame. Quite a small percentage of FF players are actually raiders. No loot loop that forces you to clear x content every week. Chill. Have fun. And find what makes you happy in this game. I'm an achievement hunter for example, a lot of my friends are roleplayers, housing is also very time consuming, etc. There are a lot of sub-communities to explore. I'm pretty 100% that no one will read this, but for the off chance that this hits someone who just came over to FF: rest assured that you are in a better place now, less greedy, with patience and love for everybody, not just from the community but first and foremost from the developers, and that oozes throughout the entire gameplay as you might have noticed. I have now played FF for 2 years and a little bit. It really has been a journey of adjustment to a none toxic environment (0 shade, just facts). There is no loot lottery here, so no one is just getting randomly lucky with their gear while you farm for months. No need to feel artificially rushed by some billion dollar company into anxiety to be left behind. There are no damage meters, so no one will passive aggressively post it in chat to call out several people, inciting hostility and defensiveness throughout a raid. There are no buffs that you have to constantly apply that drain your money, so every wipe costs you something. If "that one dude" keeps fucking up, it doesn't matter at all. There is nothing to be lost except for time and let's be serious now: we got more then enough of that. So also take said time in every aspect.

@marsupialmole3926

2 жыл бұрын

I'm planning to pick up FFXIV when oceanic servers launch. I've tried it on US servers a bit on a free account, and while I definitely enjoyed the pacing and plot more than any form of WoW past vanilla, I did find myself a little saddened by the lack of player choice while leveling. The only thing differentiating my level 15 pugilist from any other is what gear we have. Basically I just really miss old WoW's talent trees.

@Grissbane

2 жыл бұрын

I got sucked into the msq and have burned all the way through it. I'm now become crafting god. I love being able to switch classes with ease.

The thing that always stands out in my mind is remembering when I first entered Sastasha. I was a measly little GLD with my mid-Heavensward friend on WHM. At my friend's advice, I admitted to being new, while my WoW side started screaming that that was a mistake and I was going to get blamed for everything. Instead, the MCH in the party just said, "Cool! Welcome to the game! Just make sure to use Flash to grab everything, hit things where you can. We'll let you know if anything comes up you have to handle." There were a couple of bumps as I adjusted to dungeon tanking vs. just having been running around solo until now, including needing to rotate my targeting (back at the tail end of Heavensward, for you Shadowbringers converts, we didn't get our tank stances until 30+, and didn't get an AoE attack until much later for Gladiator/Paladin; my only AoE threat was Flash, which drained my MP) to maintain threat while the DPS killed things, but overall everything went quickly and easily. Nobody complained about me being slow because I was still a low level, fresh tank. Every step of the way, though, I kept worrying I was going to make some critical mistake and then get screamed at. Never happened. I try to pay that sentiment forward when I see a sprout on their first time in a low level dungeon these days. A little over four years later and I don't flinch nearly as often, and the WoW voice has been mostly silenced. I don't think I could ever go back to WoW after experiencing FF.

@AdventurerOfOblivion

2 жыл бұрын

Community hasn't always been this nice tbf. Back in 2.x or really just as far back as 2.1 it was vastly different.

@raventhorX

2 жыл бұрын

@@AdventurerOfOblivion didn't seem vastly different to me, I actually feel its gotta a bit more rough around the edges especially with all the new wow refugees coming in. Not saying the community has gotten worse though, I see it as having a new friend to the group that needs to work through some trauma and I feel its our job as a community to assist in facilitating that.

@airsheeps

2 жыл бұрын

I suspect this "pay it forward" mindset is a big reason for why the XIV community is the way it is. Back when I first started, I went into the game very standoff-ish, being a bit pessimistic about strangers on the internet in general - but seeing that patience and positivity made me happy, and made me want to do the same for those that came after me. Thanks for being of the same mind and making this game a fun place to be :)

@AdventurerOfOblivion

2 жыл бұрын

@@raventhorX The community has completely changed over time, I'm not even really talking about the WoW players. Though I do hope the WoW players bring some change, or rather, change some things back to the way they used to be. But I'm not familiar with their community so perhaps not.

@Toksyuryel

2 жыл бұрын

@@AdventurerOfOblivion 2.x community was still full of salt over 1.x. Took a while to dissolve all of that and for people to start trusting the devs again.

I once told a sprout healer they were doing a good job and they got really defensive thinking I was being sarcastic. Idk where they came from before but I have my suspicions

@tenaar

2 жыл бұрын

That's what WoW does to you; you're conditioned to assume there can never be positive feedback. Everything is insults and malicious.

@dabooz8893

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly being defensive to compliments was me for the first few weeks after leaving wow for ffxiv a few months ago. Not because i was bullied as a healer but because the only way i knew i did a good job was if no one died and we timed the key.

@MrBezazel

2 жыл бұрын

Also had several people think I'm being sarcastic when I tell them good job after saying we need to make a couple adjustments. Especially after a wipe. I say it to encourage them and let them know I'm not mad or anything...but they get very defensive after which I have to clarify with them that there was no sarcasm involved. I really do think it comes from fear from other games which is sad and hope they learn to relax soon. :>

It was so bad in wow I refused to run a dungeon on my own, I'd wait until the weekends when all my friends/guildmates were on and only run with them. I have to say one thing FF community is AWESOME !!! I'm totally blown away by how helpful and totally accepting everyone is. Thank you again for being you. LoL I put off running any dungeons my first week in FF. I absolutely refused to go into a dungeon group until I watched a video on it first, I was so terrified of wiping the group.

@Thebotulism

2 жыл бұрын

I ONLY ran Heroics (before Mythic was even thought of) with guildies. I just couldn't trust other players out there to know mechanics. FF has been a real breath of fresh air for playing and running dungeons!

@SoulRequieme

2 жыл бұрын

Totally get that. I was terrified of pugging in WoW. Being forced to do dungeons for MSQ forced me to realize FFXIV groups are way more chill and fine with you not knowing everything already unless it's a completion run in endgame content... because there are even groups just for practice!

@heyRino

2 жыл бұрын

Bro just jump in, you're never going to learn to swim if you dont get your feet wet.

@masterpain7742

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao wow what a lier dungeons r so easy the game is easy I guess it's still too hard for you so u go play easy mode ff14 lmao another reason I'll never player that shit game with no pvp no wonder players think it's nice because it has no competition

@aladenya

2 жыл бұрын

That is the same thing for me. In WoW, I won't run heroics or mythics unless with friends cause if we mess up it isn't a huge thing. In FF, I haven't had any issues with groups.

WoW: Painting reworks my lit fam! FF14: *WES GOING TO THE MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooonnnn~!*

@XMAXEL

2 жыл бұрын

And then it turns out that we only go to a painting of the moon. 😜

@TankHunter678

2 жыл бұрын

@@XMAXEL And then it turns out that we actually go inside the painting of the moon to actually reach the moon because pixies.

@Firestar4041

2 жыл бұрын

@@TankHunter678 This FF, Mario 64 crossover is getting interesting

as a recent WoW refugee, seeing "gg" at the end of each dungeon/trial run is triggering my fight/flight response 😃 and I'm not sure why.

@JannetFenix

2 жыл бұрын

WHO HURT YOU ;_; I want to drag you to zodiark and feed tea until you're not traumatized anymore

@lawrencel6516

2 жыл бұрын

@@JannetFenix in some games "gg" is often said sarcastically/mockingly. Like during a battleground in WoW where we were winning 2-0, but then the Alliance caps 3 times and beats us in a comeback, and then some guy says "gg losers". Or "gg team is noobs". It's part of what you come to expect in some games, but I've never seen it too much during dungeons. In dungeons people just outright insult you and leave, or if you're lucky they just leave without a word. 8^)

@oceansreign3429

Жыл бұрын

Oh man I remember that, it was shocking the first time I saw that gg was being used as an insult. I remember when I was doing pvp with my dad during mop and the past expac, everyone would always say gg after a BG even if we lost badly, took a break and then came back in BFA and started doing BGs again. When I said gg after we lost a BG (it wasn't even that bad) I got cussed out, it happened a few times after that but one thing I noticed is that not alot of people said gg anymore and now when one does your not sure if it is genuine or not

I had a tank yesterday who was a little less beefy than I'm used to, and I got too overzealous with my Holy casts on my WHM, and as you can probably guess we wiped. I say "Sorry about that, my bad," and the tank mentions he is new to the role and asks if he pulled too much. I say "No, it's fine, I just need to be more careful." We complete the rest of the dungeon without any issues, and I get three commendations. It was a very FFXIV moment.

@user-co2fg4yp3i

2 жыл бұрын

yo thats cringe just tell him he sucked because that promotes people getting better

@watertommyz

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-co2fg4yp3i FFXIV has a novice network. You don't tell people that they suck, you simply give advice as needed. Also wipes give you more power thanks to the echo.

@user-co2fg4yp3i

2 жыл бұрын

@@watertommyz yeah well im not wasting my time with bad players

@watertommyz

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-co2fg4yp3i Making good players, and giving a path to new players is the non toxic way to go. This isn't COD. Your patience needs tempering. Especially since it only takes a few moments to explain a fight.

@user-co2fg4yp3i

2 жыл бұрын

@@watertommyz lol maybe the more simplistic FFXIV fights but as far as WoW goes it much more complex and much harder and that is why WoW raiding is 50x better. Plebs will be plebs im not wasting my time when there are guides out there

Not bothered by others skipping cutscenes but so help me if a player gives a newbie shit for wanting to watch story cutscenes, then we have a problem 2:07

my first experience with the patience of FF players was during the first Alliance raid. one dude was raging in chat and half the raid told him to chill and be patient because there were new players in the groups

This just reminds me of all the greatness I’ve been missing because I almost never see Zepla streaming due to time zone differences and so I continue to be grateful for this channel.

Well if Zepla was ready for 20 more minutes of Captain Grimm, the good news is that he's definitely gonna be making a lot more FFXIV videos after the unending spew of vitriol that WoW copium smokers have been sending his way after his last two videos. I'd be in awe if he keeps playing WoW at all let alone makes more videos about it.

@mithshude

2 жыл бұрын

they did? i mean i'm not surprised as he is now a "traitor" to them just like anyone trying out FF and enjoying it from what i've seen but still, they're ironically proving him right by doing that ^^

@Sasorislovery

2 жыл бұрын

@@mithshude from what i heard his video is banned on the wow subreddit so maybe

@graysroksan

2 жыл бұрын

Some people didn’t get the memo. Some as recent as a few days ago commented on some of his old videos asking when the new Grimm Shadowlands videos are coming out. Hoo boy. They are in for a disappointment.

@TQV3

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sasorislovery wow subreddit's dogshit so that's a blessing in disguise.

@samus9420

2 жыл бұрын

where can I read their comments about our skipper? I love me some salt. Is it the wow subreddit?

I'm glad Zepla had a cameo in Grim's video lol

@Lordoftheapes79

2 жыл бұрын

We all know how much she enjoys choking and headbutting potatoes 😂

@AC3handle

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure I understand. where was she?

@Lordoftheapes79

2 жыл бұрын

@@AC3handle she's the elezen throttling the potato for skipping cutscenes.

@rpopelka86

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lordoftheapes79 but doesn’t she play a bunny girl and not an elezen? Kind of a click bait video preview screen

@TheRaginAsian

2 жыл бұрын

@@rpopelka86 *whoosh*

The only time ive seen anybody get kicked from a dungeon was after we wiped on our first attempt on the boss. The tank started talking shit about whoever messed up, but we all defended that person and vote kicked the tank that was being an ass. Great game!

@kingslayer447

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes.. let the tank drought begin.

@raventhorX

2 жыл бұрын

@@kingslayer447 not sure what that's supposed to mean but if a player is toxic it doesn't matter what role they are, there's no excuse.

@mikfhan

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I would rather wipe and learn with good people than steamroll and learn nothing with $hit people :P

@serenitysilvermoon2309

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly the only time I think I've ever seen anyone voted out was back helping a FC member get her clears for ex roulette a while back and she was having hella latency issues and we both communicated that with the other two (she was a MNK and I was DNC) but they not only vote kicked her but kept telling me to dance partner one of them. Once they kicked her I just left. Maybe they were some wow refugees that didn't intigrate with the FFXIV community so well or something but they were super toxic. Glad to say that since I've started playing back in late HW it was about my only bad experiance

@jessicajames8725

2 жыл бұрын

@@kingslayer447 ah yes.. because players can’t have every class in the game /s

Once I queued without realizing i was under-geared with a broken weapon as a scholar. I was full prepared to leave and hang my head in shame, but the Tank told me it was ok, did small pulls and we cleared it after a few wipes. I don't know where he is right now, but he is my inspiration to help all sprouts I see in dungeons.

This continues even after the low dungeons. Last night I wiped in Amaurot on the final boss (healer accidentally fell off the side) and we dps eventually dropped to not quite getting out of beams in time, meanwhile we released and made our way back to the lockout wall to see our Chad gun breaker almost solo it until he hit the soft enrage, we were cheering him on through the whole fight, Manderville Mamboing for him, that sort of stuff, and it was thoroughly entertaining despite being a disaster attempt.

@amiablereaper

2 жыл бұрын

I had an extremely entertaining run of tam-tara hard where I (DRK) was the last one alive after the first boss's mechanic killed everyone else and left me with like 5 vuln stacks. Living Dead couldn't save my life without a healer, but it *did* buy me 12 more seconds to finish the fight... and then collapse almost the same moment it did

@Kitsune10060

2 жыл бұрын

Finding out you're tank has been a secret beast the whole time is a fun surprise to walk into. Hard to pull off though. I've done it a couple times, but not enough as I'd like. Always feel like a bad ass after wards to

@tenjenk

2 жыл бұрын

The best part of that FF Dungeon scene is that the undead face which fades in for a moment indicates he is a repeating character, an undead priest who is the constant butt of toxic wow dungeon jokes from many of Grimm's past WoW videos. Grimm's fan's havent seen the character for quite a while since his last scene where he disapeared after deciding to just quit altogether. Its wonderful to see him finally find his peace.

@Georgia221LaLa

2 жыл бұрын

Not that long ago we all wiped on a boss. Me being a primarily WoW player decided to say things Im used to saying in wow as our warrior tank was soloing the remaining health of the boss (was a little less than half) I was like "you got this" and then the rest of the group started saying similar things and when he defeated the boss we were supportive. I never get groups in FFXIV that speak much so it was memorable to me that I wasn't the only person who said something for once lol I used to see people talk in FFXIV but not so much anymore. I guess the lower level dungeons is where its at.

Every single XIV veteran has the same reaction to the scene skip and we all get windmill dunked immediately

Especially Mythic+ because (1) there's a timer counting down in your face. (2) if one of your party members is bad or bails your key is done. So Blizzard has essentially programmed their game to make even a cooperative undertaking a competitive one.

@pjs5950

2 жыл бұрын

this is the exact reason why i have never once done mythic plus while playing wow!

@Whimsykiller

2 жыл бұрын

@@pjs5950 You were missing out to be honest, all the people saying this is the only experience you have are wrong, especially once you get into high keys. You can also just get your own group, and its incredibly satisfying to play. 14 doesnt need m+, but it needs a savage version of dungeons that feel fun to complete.

@Dracounguis

2 жыл бұрын

@@pjs5950 I would do one or two low level ones with guildmates. But I had zero desire to do any key higher than +5

@hellfrozenphoenix13

2 жыл бұрын

@@Whimsykiller i agree with this. I wouldn't say a M+for ff14 would be bad, as long as they don't do the timer bit. Dungeons are just there as padding and I wished it was harder, but who knows? Maybe the stat squish will help make dungeons more intense. But if itdoesn't, id love a savage version of dungeons myself, if nothing else.

@jmstover

2 жыл бұрын

@@hellfrozenphoenix13 > id love a savage version of dungeons myself, if nothing else. They way they handle content a Savage version would be another redesign. Even the "Hard" versions of dungeons are not the same dungeon at a harder difficulty but a different dungeon using the similar layout. Don't remember who it was that was mentioning when they hit one of the "Hard" dungeons, that they were like: "This wasn't just the same dungeon at a beefed up difficulty, but it was a different layout, with different mobs." I don't know if how XIV is laid out that they even can do something similar to that (i.e. same dungeon just more difficult). PotD and HoH are the two I can think of where the higher levels are "harder" difficult, but from what it seems like, dungeon difficulties are set in stone when they are created. If you want one more difficult that's actually a completely different dungeon not an old one tweaked up higher. Edit: The player character *can* be modified, by changing the character level/ilevel to a specific value. But the dungeons themselves seem to be static...

"Then we waste our time together"~ still makes me tear up. I joined a few pub E12s Savage and did so many mistakes but i was really surprised that the pubs just taught me and we tried for 3hrs until called. Even we didnt manage to clear, everyone was patient and bow/thank after calling the run. In WoW, often times 1st run wipe you get people start calling you names and disbanding. Its just too huge of a difference...

@sanitarycockroach9038

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't that the whole bloody point of multiplayer games? Wasting free time together having fun, yes?

I was literally the only sprout in a group, i had no idea how to fight this boss. I learned the mechanics, for over an hour.... then we beat the boss. They all gave me a commendation. It was a good feeling and i've never looked back.

God the dungeon part was so relatable. I finally finished Shadowbringers and from when I started in ARR to the very tippy end of Shadowbringers, I had maybe 10 total "bad" dungeon/trial/raid groups. And the majority of that was because someone DCed and we had to wait a while. Nothing even remotely as toxic as WoW. I would sometimes have panic attacks going into WoW dungeons because even in NORMALS it was a 50% chance it would end in devolved insult hurling mess and it would absolutely kill my momentum in the game. There's so much dungeon and raid content in WoW I purposefully skipped if I could so I didn't have to group with people. In FFXIV I went out of my way to unlock and finish every dungeon/trial/raid I possibly could.

@havtor007

2 жыл бұрын

The fuck kind of servers are people running on to have these issues i am in Europe but i have ran a hell of a lot of dungeons each expansion in wow (as i level alts in dungeons also) and it is less then 5% that has any bad things between players happening. I am honestly starting to wonder if this is a US based thing

@DemonFireRain

2 жыл бұрын

@@havtor007 that could very well be, I'm in the US and for most of my WoW run have been on Alexstrasza or Icecrown servers.

@Dexter_795

2 жыл бұрын

@@havtor007 It's funny - I see people talking about how they've never seen this kind of toxicity and I usually put it up to either they're not seeing it because they're the ones who are toxic or they're so full of sh*t their eyes are brown - it never occurred to me that it might be a US server issue. I quit running lfg back in Cata because of how bad it was back then and have three-manned everything since then with a pair of friends.

@Scruffed

2 жыл бұрын

@@havtor007 As someone who also plays in the EU servers and regularly pugs M+ (though I do also run many keys with friends), the amount of experiences I've had of even mild toxicity has been also about 5% or maybe lower, I guess there's a slight upsurge in toxicity (though still well below 10%) at the start of new seasons as most of the playerbase isn't familiar with the new seasonal affix and tanks try out a bigger variety of routes which may cause wipes. The longer the patch, and the further you are from the expansion's launch, the less toxicity you'll find (or at least that has been my experience since Blizz introduced M+ in Legion all the way to the current Shadowlands patch).

@Scruffed

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dexter_795 Well if you've quit in Cata then honestly you don't have a clue, there was nothing comparable to M+ back then.

I play Overwatch occasionally, so for me doing Ramuh (extreme) was an emotional experience. I learnt to deal with failure, people are incredibly understanding and patient. One love to this community, so far

@JannetFenix

2 жыл бұрын

Ouuuuh, Ramuh ex! That one is 90% tank job, so i can see it overwhelming ^^;

@BlackPeter79

2 жыл бұрын

Oh. The Older Age Person abusing everyone...

Yeah seeing so many 14 streamers react to the sprout skipping Thancred's text... It's like someone threw water in their face. 😆. And if you actually pause and read what Thancred is saying... 😉

@ditchfood8047

2 жыл бұрын

Kinda couldnt cuz of the floating faces

@Dracounguis

2 жыл бұрын

@@ditchfood8047 could go watch the original video. No faces on that one. 😉

@ditchfood8047

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dracounguis too late

@KotCR

2 жыл бұрын

Them Roegydyns.

@conduit64

2 жыл бұрын

You're not a true FF14 player if you don't get triggered at the idea of someone skipping a cut scene. 😉

Grimm has got to be one of the best WoW content creators of all time. He makes the funniest damn videos, my sides are always in orbit. They are usually about pretty overarching MMO topics too, so if you didn't play WoW or whatever, you should still go watch through his stuff. Hope he keeps making FF stuff too!

I remember when I first started playing after coming from WoW, the fact that Dungeons were mandatory was downright petrifying because of how doing dungeons in WoW was. Especially as a little baby Conjurer, since I enjoy playing healing classes, but we all know the kind of abuse they get in WoW. In WoW, I outright abandoned the main questline of a zone the moment it asked me to do a dungeon, and as a result never get a conclusion to the story, because attempting to queue for that content would never, EVER EVER be worth the grief it'd cause. I'm still unlearning that dread and anxiety when it comes to queuing for a duty in FFXIV, and sometimes I still can't push past it. It's been one of the strangest experiences, entering a much less toxic environment.

@Poldovico

2 жыл бұрын

Is this what people mean when they talk about "tanxiety"? I always memed on the concept as being ludicrous, but then FF is all I've known. I always thought the worst that could happen was taking more tries to clear the instance. Was it really like the memes where people yell at you and kick you outright?

@DragonsFlame3476

2 жыл бұрын

@@Poldovico Short answer… yes very much so 😕 I’ve been a final fantasy player for a long time and I could never get back into WoW purely because of the community.

@WitchyThyme

2 жыл бұрын

@@Poldovico I've had people seek me out on my server and at events with my guild- these were Roleplay events too, since I am very into roleplay, so think like a D&D style session using an MMO as a medium. They would harass me for hours if I was lucky, they'd make alts to continue to harass me. Some roped in their guild to come personally grief me or my guild's events. I had one individual stalk me enough to find my social media through vague off-handed mentions on forum threads and on guildsites. When I made the mistake of using the voice feature once and they heard I was a woman, they actually even made rape jokes towards me. I was genuinely horrified at the prospect of duties being mandatory in FFXIV, I refused to go in them at first without at least one friend there with me. Genuinely, how kind and gentle this community has been was so alien to me. Even the most toxic player I've seen in FFXIV during The Crystal Tower's World of Darkness was a breath of fresh air compared to what I was used to and expecting coming from WoW. WoW's the kind of MMO that conditioned me to almost vomit from the intensity of the fear and dread I felt upon finding out that there were MANDATORY dungeons. I'm sad to say I'm not unique in this either.

@Poldovico

2 жыл бұрын

@@WitchyThyme Sheesh. That's maddening to even hear about. I'm sorry you've had such a bad time. Here's to a future of good experiences in FF!

@MrBezazel

2 жыл бұрын

@@WitchyThyme That is so terrifying and I'm so sorry that you had to go through something like that. I hope FFXIV has helped you relax a bit and let you know that the community isn't there to be mean to you and harassment is taken EXTREMELY seriously in the game. Like the GMs will ban you pretty quickly if they see that kind of behavior if other people don't jump down the harasser's throat. The community is pretty protective of consent, openness and friendliness. :> I hope lately you've felt better about queue by yourself!

Her laugh and reaction @2:05 is amazing and the pure elation she gets just made my day better

WoW creates hostility within its playerbase by design. It's wild how that game managed to survive for as long as it has.

The dungeon thing actually happened to me last night, got in a new dungeon and died several times as the healer which pretty much wiped the group. I kept feeling so bad for wasting people’s time. They just explained what I need to do in a calmly manner and chatted a bit after we finished, no rage, no stress. Like I know this is happening in FFXIV, but actually experiencing it was a whole different thing, I’m glad I switched really

First dungeon I was about to stroke out..... paladin. I apologized preemptively and one individual said "Just do this and this and concentrate on this. We're here to help bro. You got this!" Hands down one of the best social interactions I've had on in an MMO since DAoC when it was in its prime. To all those out there who help the little guy, who encourages those who fail and laugh when others would scorn, nothing but love my friends. YOU are part of the reason games like this succeed. Keep it up.

@Doomerang01

2 жыл бұрын

Unless you are the literal little guy in the game. The story has taught me never to trust Lalafells as they are terrifying >:P

It’s sad in WoW when you thank the group after a dungeon or congratulate someone for getting to a high level and no one responds :(

Zep, I'm also an immigrant from wow, thanks to you guys for making us feel welcome!!! for real this community is just the best! everyone is so nice. captain grimm is awesome btw ^^

I wiped in a dungeon last night. I''m quite new to FFXIV and am playing Paladin Tank. When i wiped i said "Sorry" in the Party chat. The response I got blew me away..."That's ok everybody is new to this at sometime" I was then given hints on how to beat the main boss. Which we did and I ended up with 3 commendations! Over the years I have played WOW, LOTRO and Guild Wars 2 but i have never come across a Community as friendly and helpful as FFXIV. Love the game.

Never having played WoW, i can relate to the tense dread feeling of being to blame for a wipe. Just coming off toxic moments in TF2 and Overwatch, was terrified. Not helped, i didnt have a keybord (ps4 player), and i screwed up tanking Odin. But yeah, eventually recovered, and found more of the chill zen spot, that i needed.

@trial_with_an_error9687

2 жыл бұрын

It's a mix of understanding how hard tanking and healing was at the start of 2.0 in high end content and the fact that you aren't really punished for wiping against a boss other than having to restart the fight. Both the community and the very system of the game itself are in near perfect sync with one another as the game evolves especially with the improvements made to each class with every following expansion.

@tibowmew

2 жыл бұрын

Get a keyboard if you can. As a controller player too, it made me feel a lot better in dungeons when I could at least say "Sorry guys. My bad" quickly. I felt like I always came off rude because I never talked, lol.

@ecyor0

2 жыл бұрын

For me it was League of Legends. I'd quit well before starting ff14, but it was the same realization of "why am I playing a game that gives me mini anxiety attacks every time I bungle a skirmish and die?"

@Firestar4041

2 жыл бұрын

@@tibowmew Yeah i got one a while back, and it helps a lot

@leadpaintchips9461

2 жыл бұрын

@@ecyor0 God, I quit that game like 5 years ago and I'm still struggling with both the expectation of abuse being flung my way and wanting to fling abuse towards others. I'm better now, but that dumpster fire of a community really messed with my head. Luckily I didn't actually fling abuse, but the amount of rage being shouted at my monitor makes me glad that push-to-talk is a thing.

Just wanted to say I'm really happy you're posting these on KZread. Been following you for ages on KZread but I'm not a twitch fan so it's nice to be able to take a peek into what you do over there!

The last straw for me was when dudes kicked my friend from the legendary dungeon for playing ret paladin. Now I've been the Warrior of Light for over a year

@Dantaroen

2 жыл бұрын

oh man i remember exeperiencing such things aswell. The amount of flak you could get for being a specific class was rediculous

Not even memes, when I first caused a Dungeon Wipe in Dzaemel Darkhold I was similarly like "sorry for wasting time, I'll leave so you dont have to kick me" and the Warrior said the same "we waste our time together, we can get this done" I blue screened IRL from how different that was.

I remember when I first started the game as a little sprout, I was feeling so nervous at being taken as a sprout that I was removing the sprout leaf everytime I was loggin in. I did my first sastasha as an ARC, with my friend that brought me to the game as a WHM, I was so nervous during this dungeon that I think I forgot to blink during the whole run xD A couple days after I joined my first FC, which I ran a good chunk of content with, always being greeted when I was loggin in, doing content like mount farming etc, my inner self was like, what do they want from me, they're acting so weird toward me! it was feeling so unnatural to me for people to act kind in an MMO. And today, almost 3 years later (In a couples days yay!) I'm doing Ultimates with friends and enjoying the content before Endwalker drop. :)

@chistovmaxim

2 жыл бұрын

have fun with the new patch! :)

@0oLightmoono0

2 жыл бұрын

@@chistovmaxim Thank you! you too! o/

The music choices here are so good you don't even notice how perfect they are. The Ifrit theme for the cutscene guy, the Ascian theme for the WOW GM, The dragonsong theme when the guy realizes that yes, you CAN actually just try the dungeon again. This video is so good.

@tenjenk

2 жыл бұрын

That and the wow undead face fading in for a moment for the Au Ra healer indicates he is a repeating character who used to be in many of Grimm's past videos, an undead forsaken priest who was the constant butt of toxic wow dungeon jokes. He had disapeared after his last appearance quite a while back when he finally decided to just quit the game altogether. Its great to see that he finally found his peace.

wow used to give me so much anxiety i would refuse to do dungeons without friends. i had so many dungeon and raid experiences that just made me cry.

The problem with WoW is that the cost of failure in the key system is exorbitantly high, so of course players are going to be far less tolerant of failure. Even though we may be wasting our time together in FFXIV, at least at the end of a run you have something to show for it, whether it's XP or tomestones or even just progress towards an achievement. At the end of a failed WoW key, you have useless gear and a sense of resentment towards the other players for impeding your key's progress. It's a terrible system that makes everyone feel bad, and as long as it's in place, I don't think that WoW can go back to being a pleasant place to unwind at the end of a work day.

8:05 to add to that: even if you dont like your class after an expansion, at least in ffxiv you can change class whenever without having to create a new character

Had a healer that was on his first run in a dungeon and we wiped 3 or 4 times, nobody minded but he kept apologizing and beating himself up till the popint he just left.

@NeonFraction

2 жыл бұрын

Oh god that poor guy

@solishniwa

2 жыл бұрын

I once had that happen to me as the healer in a dungeon so bad I ended up having a panic attack so I quit the game for a bit and changed jobs when I got back. Had really had healer anxiety until I got a better grip on the game and made some friends who gave me back my healer confidence. I hope that person you were with can have a similar experience to mine

@thetruestar6348

2 жыл бұрын

That’s me on tank when I come back to FF14 after a few months on a break

@Fubnin

2 жыл бұрын

My bet is, he was trying to heal by clicking on you guys instead of using the f1,f2,f3,f4 shortcuts.

@Flzw

2 жыл бұрын

@@Fubnin You can click on the party list, that's usually good enough, or if it's just the tank you can target the boss''s target and back to it with the target target bind.. It can be stressful and overwhelming for some people at first but it's not too difficult outside of hard content.

"How did I miss this?" I know! Was her chat sleeping or something for weeks lmao.

Holy crap! All of these amazing videos coming out about the experience of switching to FFXIV has really highlighted a bizarre kind of Stockholm Syndrome people have with WoW. It has been wild!

i think the great music has changed me to a calmer mindset, seeing people just chatting, and I really feel part of the game and we are all in it together. - ex WoW vet

The WoW community can be so toxic, I remember this guy in my guild : first time I do a M+ with him, we were having trouble getting pasted whatever boss. I was still learning this dungeon and I was so focused on not messing up the mechanics that my DPS was quite low. He was tanking and he spent the whole dungeon reminding me how my dps was bad and how he was toping the dps meter even whithout trying even though he was the tank. He was not swearing, he was so calm but so much passive-agressive. Do a dungeon with him and you would feel like you were the worst person alive. At some point I decided that I would no longer raid or do M+ if he was in the group but we were a small guild so he was pretty much in all of them. I quit WoW not so long after. Edit : btw I think the WoW community is toxic because the game systems are pushing them to be that way. Over the years Blizzard made WoW more and more a competitive game. As a player you have a lot of pressure to perform well, you're always grinding for better gear, you have to invest a lot of time into systems which may or may not be very fun. Whereas FFXIV is more based on player working together, experiencing and enjoying a good story together.

@Scruffed

2 жыл бұрын

I take your point that WoW has been designed to be more competitive and performance-oriented than FF, but I also think there's a mistake in judging the WoW community or the game itself too harshly based on a bad experience with a guild or a random team in the group finder. The game has several difficulties and the "pressure" to perform well and keep up will naturally depend on the difficulty you're aspiring to clear. If you join a guild that only aspires to clear heroic raids then the time commitment and ability/pressure to perform should be a lot lower than that which you'd find in a guild that aspires to clear Mythic or at least progress several Mythic bosses before the next tier. If you ever find a heroic-oriented guild with a raid leader that's putting tons of pressure on you to change your spec or to fully do all the seasonal grinds (in the current patch it would be Korthia), or yells at people everytime they make a mistake, or has a hugely complex organizational structure, then those are all red flags that there's something wrong with that guild. There are so many guilds that are nothing like that. The same applies for M+ groups (the higher the difficulty of the key, the more will be expected of you in terms of numbers, knowledge of dungeons, etc), and if you're invited into doing a higher key than you think yourself capable of doing, you can either decline or let others know that the run will probaby be a carry.

Having come from Wow just three months ago, the first thing that freaked me out for the first two months is that everyone was so freaking NICE. And wait for it....they actually complimented me on my tanking...

Just had one of these experiences the other day. Tanking on the Great Gubal Library and kept wiping on the first boss because the healer and one of the dps were having a hard time avoiding the purple aoe, then not getting behind the boss in time. Wiped I wanna say 3 times, then the other dps did an abandon vote. I'm like...no...we will win this thing...the healer and other dps were green leafs and were active in chat, apologizing and what not. It took 60 minutes to finish a relatively easy dungeon (last boss was a multi-wipe, too)...but they were so thankful for all the help and patience...I figured it was way better for the community that I take the time to help those two...kindness finds a way of paying itself forward. ;D Oh yeah...and I got the three comms, which is a huge bonus because I am about 170 comms from getting mentor... :D

5:48 That's how I was coming to this game after Wow. I would panic every time I made a mistake in dungeons and apologize a lot to hope I wouldn't get kicked.

Haukke Manor. We got a sprout Tank. I was semi-sprout SMN, but I was trying PLD on the side. First two groups were rough, until we figured out that our sproutTank didn't have Enmity. When the other DPS and Healer tentatively asked our Tank if they'd like some tips and did they have Enmity on, we stood there for 10-15 minutes. I learned SO much about tanking and was able to ask a lot of questions! Thanks to the helpful veterans, both sproutTank and myself felt more confident about tanking when we left!!! I've also experienced toxicity, but... only one time, really in 4-5 months, which isn't that bad, I think? So, yeah. FFXIV is prolly my MMO home for life.

But damn...that toxicity is outerworldly...idk how yall played that game for as long as yall did...

@natebroadus8474

2 жыл бұрын

As a former WoW player, you convince yourself there's nothing better. You're wrong, but it takes time for you to see it.

@gaexionbeoulve2422

2 жыл бұрын

Sunk cost fallacy. The game stopped growing despite generating billions of dollars.

@Dexter_795

2 жыл бұрын

For me, it was because it was the game my friends were playing and I couldn't get them to try anything different. I tried Wildstar when it first came out, but it quickly became grindy and un-fun without someone to play it with. Never tried anything else. I probably would have dropped WoW and tried something else before Shadowlands, but I fell for the "They've learned from their mistakes" hype and went into Shadowlands. Then I took a week off to take care of some irl stuff right after having a bad week of WoW and found that I didn't want to log back in afterward. Downloaded FFXIV free trial to try it out and bought the game a week later. Now my friends and I spend our time in Eorzea doing some of the fun things that we used to do in WoW, but with a much better atmosphere and more friends. My only regret is that I didn't make the switch two weeks earlier so Buzzard wouldn't have gotten the money for my last six-month sub.

@Xeirn

2 жыл бұрын

Used to be great game. The toxicity is greatly blown out of proportions. And launch of classic... I've never met so many great people and talked so much while doing dungeons. Mythic+ on the other hand brings out the competitive spirit out of people and lot of them can't handle that in a positive way to that scene is absolute shitshow.

@30kGames

2 жыл бұрын

Its really about the people you play it with. I did high end M+ (20-25s) every season since Legion and also would get Cutting Edge Never had any real issues. Every now and then I would have to put someone in their place but it was rare. There are wow players and then there are WoW players.

You know. I never really thought about it like this. I've done both Heroic Raiding and M+ since they've been in the game. I try not to be negative towards anyone in the group, but now that I think about it I wind up being that much harder on myself. To the point that I get severely frustrated and angry at myself if I make a mistake that costs everyone else. It would be extremely WIERD for me to see people not hold it against me.

Very good points about Mythic+ and jobs/updates. Before coming to FF14 I've been a Feral Druid in WoW for pretty much 15 years. I had a few breaks but this was the class I always loved the most. Apart from a few times for the most part we were always considered poor man's Rogues. Things were harsh in the last two expansions especially. Whenever I was trying to queue for PUGs I would always get /whispers: "Balance?". When I answered "Feral" that was always the end of the conversation. I even had a few times that I got invited and got kicked the very next moment once people saw the energy bar. In WoW you either play BiS cookie cutters or you don't play at all. I don't need to say that it was not a good time.

@Poldovico

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's the game's fault. I can see things going the same way in FF if one job was somehow massively underpowered. Thankfully it's pretty difficult for that to happen when job kits are fixed. Devs just have to math out the damage output of your buttons and trust you to press them.

@zerothelightbringer8874

2 жыл бұрын

@@Poldovico That's not the games fault. I always love this "copium" shift blame game that WoW players try to pull. I have played WoW since 2006 & the issue is, wait for it, the community! Yeah blizzard has a part to play but its literally impossible to balance 36 specs for every level of difficulty ontop of the system they add BUT with that said most content being done & by most I mean like 99% of it (in terms of keystones) can be completed by any class/spec. I did all of BFA with an enhance shaman as a friend & I played a prot paladin. Guess what, neither one was meta & we pushed into 20s in keystones each season. FF hasn't had this issue. The game is scaled very well, if you can play well you can do it with any job combination.

@Poldovico

2 жыл бұрын

@@zerothelightbringer8874 you may have missed my profile pic. WoW's design is absolutely responsible for breeding it's famous toxicity. The game doesn't respect the players, and the players learn not to respect each other.

I definitely feel the dungeon thing. In WoW I refused to even consider tanking or healing because I knew if anything went wrong I'd be blamed and the group would explode. I'm still hesitant to do it in FFXIV, but I've now tanked a couple dungeons without any problems and everyone was great. One of the bigger surprises was when I got into a group for some Realm Reborn extremes and everyone just said to not worry about knowing the fights at first and that they'd explain what went wrong after a wipe; I was also surprised when the group didn't disband afterward and just gave us sprouts time to go unlock the next one and we did that one too. We got to Ifrit before people ran out of time, but it was such a good experience.

FFXIV wasn't always this positive; when my dad and I were playing ARR back in 2014, he got kicked from a dungeon we were in, as far as I could tell he either wasn't doing as good as they thought he should, or maybe they just didn't want a Bard in the party. On another occasion a tank was going off about how terrible we all were. I didn't play for two years after that, (I was also a broke college student raising a kid) but I've never met up with someone that toxic since.

@jozi4136

2 жыл бұрын

Ffxiv is better now than at ARR release. I agree. My son was a bard and loved it but many groups didn’t want them and he got beat up a lot. Still can’t convince him to come back. Never played wow but please don’t have blinders on about ffxiv. There are humans here and yes some are not nice. Realistically I have seen people being jerks for mistakes or “go watch a video of the dungeon before you try it”. Or before they forced you to watch CS in praetorium people being kicked for watching CS. I mainly play solo mostly cause I am old and just don’t fit in with most players. Interesting how many people do just play solo in this game. Interesting isn’t it when all these people say how inclusive it is! It is a great game with a great community but please don’t make it sound like it is always like this.

@YoukoZuki

2 жыл бұрын

No community is free of toxic completely. Just that you get that less in FF14 due to it lenient design which promotes cooperation more than competition, and toxic people can actually be reported and punished. So they are kinda rare to see.

@zetsuei18

Жыл бұрын

@@jozi4136 That was actually one of the reasons I quit back in the ARR days. I made it to the end of the story in ARR, got to the Praetorium where we were supposed to take on Ultima. I was so hyped and loving the story, and after the fight with one of the Generals, I watched the cutscene only to find that my team left me behind. I tried for the rest of the dungeon to catch up, getting killed multiple times, and getting "random cutscenes" that made no sense since I wasn't seeing what was going on. I never even got to fight Weapon. It actually made me quit, other than the "free month" they would occasionally hand out. Now, I've completely forgotten how to play my classes, so I'm afraid to come back as a "experienced level character" that doesn't know how to perform my job.

@jozi4136

Жыл бұрын

@@zetsuei18 don’t be afraid to come back. You can play a lot solo with trust system they are implementing and it is a great story! You still have to group for a few things but they are not bad. Most people are very good to new people.

That *_"barely tolerating each other"_* thing in the random groups sponsored by Dungeonfinder... I remember a few times during Legion & BfA that we had really immature Tanks who would refuse to slow down. Dunno why. They were kinda "Elitist" probably. And then we wiped and god that was hilarious. People *ACTUALLY LEAVE* just to be replaced by the same random Dungeonfinder in like 10 to 20 seconds and then we would just continue and finish the Dungeon anyways. What Clowns. ^_^ Not only did those Clowns wasted their own time. They even quit the instance - denied themself the progress - and are probably queing in after that blocking-debuff of 30 minutes right again. Just imagining it I can't contain myself and chuckle from gleeful amusement. ^^

@matheusmouramartins3345

2 жыл бұрын

FFXIV have Dungeon Finder... Group Finder, etc. WoW is a toxic environment. The game is designed in a way that makes players adversaries... We are in a race against time and against each other. Do it properly or you get left behind... Blizzard has a LOT of work to do!

@AnaseSkyrider

2 жыл бұрын

A few months ago in WoW, I was leveling my Hunter and was playing as Survival because I like melee (Warrior main). I was level 52-54 queuing for a Necrotic Wake (Normal). Got a BDK Keystone Master tank who pulled like *all of the mobs* after the first boss when you go up the stairs. He died, and blamed us for not interrupting (which we weren't; and I'm usually good about that, but my interrupt weakauras weren't setup on my Hunter). I pointed out that he pulled too much and it's just a leveling dungeon, and he tried to shit on me for playing Survival, calling it a "bottom tier DPS class" (yes, "class"). I went on to do the most damage in the group despite not even being the highest level person there and sucking at Survival, and I told him to eat my ass. I don't remember if I told that asshole tank this, but Survival is bottom-tier because of all the borrowed power systems stacking on top of the different classes and specs, not at fucking level 52 in a fucking Normal-difficulty dungeon. What a fucking douche.

@Warcon97

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnaseSkyrider surv isnt even bottom tier in aoe lol

@MyouKyuubi

2 жыл бұрын

they're so impatient that they end up taking longer than they would've if they just slowed down abit. :P

@FreedomAndPeaceOnly

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnaseSkyrider I view any kind of Tanks or Healers who can't adapt to the rest of the group as the overall losers though. Tanks & Healers are the most important roles. Damagedealers can't do much more specifically than just do damage. And in all kinds of MMO's, in smaller Instances/Dungeons, things will always go fine it people go slower & more careful. But then you just sometimes get those "Elitist rushers" who think they are hot sh°° or something or that a game is not to be played, but to be workrushed at all times. And god forbid anybody falling behind that pace for even 10 seconds.

In wow, if you wipe in an M+, you ruin someone's keystone, so they have to re rank it up, so your mistake costs that player the 30 min of this dungeon, 30 of the next to re-rank up, and 30 for the next one at the same tire and this is content that is required to do to do max level raiding. They system requires players judge and be elitestto not waste time. In ff14 if I mess up it costs the group 10-15 extra min and we still get loot

@Whimsykiller

2 жыл бұрын

An easy fix for keys imo would just be make it not downrank on failure. It would be annoying still but its just like 'ok w/e new group'

@Hermes1122

2 жыл бұрын

@@Whimsykiller Yes, 100% I left wow over keys. I love dungeons and raids, but I hate doing time trials in games or speedrunning. I realized I was spending 80% of my time doing what I hate to have 6 hours of fun a week, and there was other side stuff I wanted to do, but I could not do any of that as the cois was do what you hate so you can raid or don't do those and don't raid so I quit. I also did not have time for like 14 m+15s in a week to get the most out of the chest.

@Whimsykiller

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hermes1122 By no means did you HAVE to do that, unless you were doing world 100 mythic clears, one 15 a week would get you plenty of gear for casual raiding. Even one key a day, which is barely any time, gets you gear both from the key potentially, and from your chest. Plenty of people get AOTC while barely doing any keys, heroic is piss easy. and if you are doing mythic, heroic ilevel with skilled play will be more than enough for the first half of the raid, and by the time you get to the second half you'll have gear anyway. You made yourself do this, nobody else.

@havtor007

2 жыл бұрын

@@Whimsykiller I can confirm as i myself got AOTC in Sanctum while having done exactly 1 key, and i had not been in korthia doing any quests at all. To be fair i came in with full mythic gear from the last raid but still.

@Whimsykiller

2 жыл бұрын

@@havtor007 full mythic nathria gear was worse than heroic sanctum gear so it doesn't take away much.

Started in September. Around 400 hours in. I've only been kicked once. It was my first run of the place, was slightly taken aback. So I queued again and got into a great group and we got through. "Waste our time together". Love this game and pretty sure it and the community is what helped turn around a 3 year long depressive episode. Thank you :)

I remember when I did a random leveling as a tank one night. I ended up in Aurum Vale with three sprouts. The dungeon lasted a long time at least an hour maybe longer, lots of wipes, but we kept going. No one wanted to give up it was an interesting choice before bed. I was on a Paladin.

Damn hearing zepla talk about WoW really reminds me of League of Legends. Crazy how people still play these games.

What would make the Mythic+ runs 100000x more chill: Remove the Dungeon timers. Remove the key degradation after it fails. Remove the key decay. These things are the reason why wiping feels like you just wasted your time farming the key, especially if the key is yours. They are toxic and treat dungeons like speedruns. If you are a Tank who does not know the fastest route, prepare to get kicked or flamed. Without these, the affixes would not be such a meme of terribleness.

I can see myself in that video. I'm a former WoW refugee and I remember the first dungeons I did.. I once actually said after something along the lines "Wait.. are we trying it again? I thought that's the moment when we all rage-quit! D:" This was actually what made me fall in love with the game. It reminded me on the good, old, WoW-days.. when there were mostly people who tried to connect to others, and who tried to progress together. WoW did not have this since Cataclysm anymore and it made me bitter very often when I played WoW and thought of it.. when I thought of this new single player MMORPG with almost nothing but toxic rants in chat occasionally. I tried FFXIV out of boredom, I sticked with it due to it's community. I haven't played another game in the last like 10 years where it was so easy to connect to other players.. This game gave me the thing I was missing for years in literally all other online games. I'm not a toxic person, but toxic reactions are usually almost all I get in most online games these days. FFXIV is the one game where I honestly did not notice a single instance of toxic behaviour during my first 6 months of playing. Instead I met a lot of cool people over this game, some of them even in real life after a while. Long story short: I think Captain Grimm really captured the transition from WoW to FFXIV well there. I am literally all those characters he showed there, except the one who skiled cutscenes. I never skip cutscenes :D SWTOR players hated me for this btw!

I hope you keep doing react vids and of course, great clips from your stream on KZread :) It's been fantastic so far!

I think that is what the "meta" does with people. It stops being a game and people start taking a it way to seriously. No matter how much you like it, it is only a game not your livelyhood (At least for most people).

@spacejunk2186

2 жыл бұрын

Thats not the root of the problem. The problem is that the meta is stressful because Mythic+ treats dungeon runs like a speedrun. Tthe fact that the keys can downgrade and decay raises the stakes of failing. There is a reason why one wipe can kill the mood. The timers are ruthless. One wipe can kill the run. Everyone is on the edge because of this. Nobody is just "too deep in the meta." The meta is just terrible.

@Fenrasulfr

2 жыл бұрын

@@spacejunk2186 I wasn't specifically talking about wow. But the moment the meta becomes established, if you even try to deviate from optimal in the end game, you will get harassed for it. Be it by not being invited into a group for having a sub optimal class or race or a combination of both, to being blamed for every failure because you are not at the top of the dps meter, etc ...

@XCC23

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Fenrasulfr I mean, XIV has a meta too. For tanks, bring gunbreakers and paladins over Dark Knights over Warriors, for example. Where wow has managed to create a perfect breeding ground for toxicity is in simultaneously having a clear defined meta *and* steep costs for failure. Think of it like this: If you're just playing soccer in your yard for fun, and someone tells you to pick a team of your friends to play with - you're not necessarily going to pick the best players. You *know* who the best players are, but you're not necessarily going to pick them just because you know they're the best players. Maybe you want to play with Steve today even though he's objectively worse than Jack. But what if you lose a thousand bucks if you lose the game? Then the calculus changes, and Steve never ever gets to play. Because taking the risk that Steve will cost you those thousand bucks? Not worth it.

@Fenrasulfr

2 жыл бұрын

@@XCC23 I agree with you in general. But the main reason why FFXIV is less toxic for me is because players will get banned the moment they act like players in WoW. To me the meta, divides a player base because the moment it is established in most mmo's those that play the less optimal classes will objectively be left out from endgame content especially in mmo's like wow.

🤣🤣🤣 these reactions to this video never gets old

His use of the music throughout is masterful!

One thing I'll always love about ff14 and wish the wow community had at large (both private servers and retail), is the friendly atmosphere in pve content. I absolutely cannot stand pugging in wow pve because of elitists and other toxicity but in ff14 pugging dungeons I actually feel kinda welcomed even if I'm at the bottom of the totem pole stat/gear/skill wise.

Your laugh when being called out is everything 😭

"Not only do we not like each other, we barely tolerate each other." YEP, that's any sort of pug in WoW. One mistake and people act like you have wasted their whole day. They will either yell and scream or just immediately bail without a word.

@itsanixela

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the 1-pull chumps who bail if the raid boss doesn't die on a (specifically marked as such on the LFG description) progress boss.

I don't know your Channel but I do love it when people review on this video by Captain Grim so thanks for putting this up!

Your laugh is so contagious haha. Thank you for that!

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Zep, after all you've been through, I can honestly say that it's good to hear you laugh again. Glad you're finally having a good time again. :)

The very first extreme i did was with the ice lady primal. I didnt even know it was an extreme. We probably wiped like 6-8 times because 80% of the group had sprout icons on their head. But guess what? The remaining guys who knew the mechanics, kept telling us what to do, where we did something wrong and spent their time explaining the mechanics step by step. It was a refreshing feeling. Made me felt like i was back playing lineage 2 with my friends, exploring everything uknown to us and enjoying the process of learning

I’ve played wow from the second day of launch (couldn’t log in day 1 lol) and it used to be totally normal to wipe like a dozen times in dungeons with pugs occasionally and you’d just pick up and try again. It made killing the final boss feel so amazing. I’m not sure when that changed really?

@TotemoGaijin

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like it was around when they added the whole dungeon/group finder thing. You used to have to get on chat to find a group, and then all go to the dungeon in person, but with all that cut out, it felt like everyone become much less social and more impatient.

The ascian theme playing when the Blizzard GM appears is just perfect

Now I'm no WoW veteran or anything, but I remember having such anxiety to even try tanking in WoW that I never even bothered. I had the same kind of feeling in FF14 when i got to the first dungeon as my little sword and boarder, I stood at the entrance to that dungeon for 30 minutes wondering if I should've gone DPS and eventually I worked up the courage to go in. We get in, I let the group know I'm new to the game, I think we wiped once before the boss cause I pulled too much, and it was fine, we cleared the dungeon and everyone gave me commendations. The genuine relief I felt and the satisfaction of having felt like I did a good job and everyone appreciated what I did was incredible. I never would've gotten that from WoW.

Seems like something is missing... The video title says "Gets called out by Captain Grimm" But that part don't seem to be in the video :) That being said Loooveeee watching Zepla's reaction of to the Grimm video sooo spot on! :P

Best, most wholesome channel on the internet Zep

I still tear up at that dungeon scene.

I've never played WoW but I can recall there was only ever one time where I had a dungeon/trial group that was frustrated with us wiping. I was also newer to the game and still getting my bearings as a Healer. But they definitely got frustrated and booted me out. Ever since I've mainly only had pleasant (or quiet) Dungeon/Trial runs. I was even tanking a ShBr dungeon once and caused us to wipe at the last boss like 6-7 times. But my Party was still super patient and helpful.

Its hard to not be on edge or want to be ready to be like "not my fault that you're dog shit" after years of m+. You didn't speak to each other, you weren't there for fun, and if someone messed up once then it was done. I did higher keys and toxicity is so high. My attitude has shifted dramatically with FF14. Sadly, I still miss WoW and the classes they have, but I know the game I love isn't good and the people developing dont have my interest at heart, but the interest of investor dollars. You can be interested in both. Thank you for helping us refugees. I have lots of growing to do in this game and look forward to getting more help from you.

This hit me hard with an anvil thank you zepla it’s so hard even after 3 months I was healer kept messing up and they help me out the situation. I’m still have a nervous breakdown in fc groups getting yelled at

I loved this video. its really good.

you should read the text that got skipped in the cutscene.... its interesting to say the least lol

Tonight, we wiped 3 times on Alex final raid in duty roulette. Some submitted an abandon vote. It was turned down and we cleared the next run. All through it we we communicating the mechanics as we proged.

I've literally watched her react to "herself" 20 times now. So good!

I remember a Ravana extreme fight I was in where everyone except the paladin died and he tried to clemency heal and solo it. Everyone was cheering him on and when he eventually died, we just started over and cleared it. Good times

Captain grim vids are so awesome. All true btw wow social experience in a nutshell

Rewatching the video after a while made me laugh and cry.

I believe there are three main causes for the differences between dungeons in FFXIV and WoW. 1 is Community management. The demeanor, behavior, measures, and attitude of the people in management visible to the community serve as an example to the rest of the community for how to act and treat each other. I don't think I need to go into detail about the exact differences, considering the recent contrasting news headlines for each company. I'll just say the contrast is... stark and people pick up on that. 2. Time crunch. There is often a limit for how long content in wow is viable, and with that comes a stress to get through it before it becomes a dead mechanic/dungeon/etc.. If you are feeling a time crunch, any wasted time goes from being a neutral-to-positive experience straight to a negative one (like being stuck in traffic when you are almost late to work vs a visit to a friend with no hard ETA). Thus anybody who causes wasted time becomes the object of your frustration to make up that lost time. FFXIV so far has kept content pretty viable across the board so there is less stress to get it done by a certain date. 3. The threshold for success. Preventing a wipe (wasting time) is a matter of reaching a certain level performance for each player. There is a margin between the minimum required for success, and the theoretical maximum a pro could achieve with that class. The distance between these two ends is the threshold for success. An example would be a DPS has a theoretical maximum of 30K DPS but at minimum needs to do say 25K DPS during the dungeon to be "pulling his weight". In a too easy dungeon this threshold is so wide that it can be almost solo'd and the content becomes boring. In a too hard dungeon the threshold is so narrow that things like internet ping can cause problems, the percentage that can usually succeed is small, and it often requires many resources to be spent on temporary buffs that create the sense that any loss is super punishing. With the margins so narrow it is hard to tell who didn't meet the threshold, and thus a heated blame game develops. I Think WoW puts too much pressure on winning, whereas FFXIV dungeons try to make dungeons balanced, but importantly not too punishing for failure. Just thought I'd share my two cents.