Paladins are Green Lanterns, so long as you have the faith/will/conviction you can wield the Light.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Yup, you're right. The light is just a source, of which the medium to channel it varies for each race

@Howluffu

6 жыл бұрын

And not all the "paladins" in wow uses necessary the light but the connection with their worships

@fumarc4501

5 жыл бұрын

Sinestro is a good example of bad light wielder.

A troll in the Ashbringer comics was able to commune with the light when he saw it as a powerful loa represented by the sun.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Oh that's nice! I didn't know about that. Was he a significant character?

@fumarc4501

6 жыл бұрын

Gongrongzong Only for a single issue. He helped point some paladins in the right direction. Some of them would later become the leaders of the Scarlet Crusade.

don't forget the freethinker tribe mon, litteraly a tribe who choose the light instead of the loas, this tribe is part of the zandalari society

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Oh yea! That's a very good point. All the more so that zanda trolls are able to wield the light in significant amounts. Thanks for that mon :)

@shadisammak1750

6 жыл бұрын

freethinkers can be our " class teachers" , we don't have to be a freethinker to be a paladins, yet they can teach their knowledge of the light

@immortalkdude8721

6 жыл бұрын

U r Sexy 😏

@Soloholypaladin

6 жыл бұрын

Incorrect, Loa is relative to the Light. Literally, they are the children of Eonar/Freya. Who is an extension of Elune/An'she, they rule close together on the cusp of The Light and The Wilds.

@jacobwiren8142

6 жыл бұрын

Also, and I cannot stress this enough, if you played as a troll in Cataclysm during the troll content patch you not only got to see troll paladins in the revamped dungeons but you could actually understand their prayers during combat: "Ancestors be beside me! LET THEM HEAR YOUR VOICE!" epic... The Zandalari have always worshipped the light of their ancestors, Zandalari paladins make sense.

Funny enough, since the Zandalari are based on Aztec civilization, paladins make all the more sense, since they literally had WARRIOR PRIESTS.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Oh yea, thanks, good point! I didn't think about it from the view of the Aztecs. That does sound very cool, imagining yourself as a Zandalari Aztec Warrior Priest :)

@CrabCrow

6 жыл бұрын

They worship the sun and cover everything in gold. Sounds like a paladin to me.

@CrabCrow

6 жыл бұрын

Cegesh I saw their temple, it has a giant sun on it. Also, not sure if you've seen this, but they have a racial called "City of Gold" because they have a city covered in gold. They also have a racial called "Embrace the Loa" which depicts a troll praying while a heavenly light shines down on him. Sounds like a paladin to me.

@CrabCrow

6 жыл бұрын

Ha, okay buddy. Keep telling yourself that.

@CrabCrow

6 жыл бұрын

I wasn't really looking for a theological debate about a fictional religion. I was just agreeing with Turmoil. I'm sorry, but you'll have to argue with the plethora of other people in this comment section.

i mean if tauren are paladins why not the Zandalari

@luniers4629

6 жыл бұрын

Because their worship is about a source of actual sunlight.

@ashliiprigmore5441

6 жыл бұрын

It's fairly easy just to make a Sun Loa, hell there's a lot of sun worship in Mayan and Aztec culture.

@mmonkeybone

6 жыл бұрын

the tauren foudn the connection between the sun and the light and moved from there. If there was a sun loa it wouldent have anything to do with the light there not the same thing in the end it would only be nature energy like all the other loa.

@Cakalank

6 жыл бұрын

taurens drew power from what they believed to be an'she (the sun). and lorewise it was said an'she isnt the same as the "light" yet i doubt so. with zandalari trolls, they are basically super religious trolls that worships loas and loas are spirits. there can be a possibility where there is a loa with "sun" or "light" powered, and going by their religious culture there can be zandalari paladins.

@t.va.6611

6 жыл бұрын

Um, Church Of The Light never knew where their powers came from, only that it's light. To bend light as a rule of thumb you need strong faith in something, like self, ideals, religious dogmas, etc. and iron willpower. Seriously, it's "clap your hands if you believe" kind of power-source, it's not some math like arcane. Look at goblins for example, they are using willpower to wield the Light, driven by greed. Light is not really picky.twitter.com/MickyNeilson/status/309835283426312192 Seriously, Paladin/esque type of people are more of a cultural phenoment than technical.

I am surprised your channel is not more popular, great videos :) Very interesting!

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you :) Glad that you enjoyed it!

The class reveal was quite disappointing to me. Priest and paladin made the most sense to me. Zandalari were the most devout to their gods. And pallys are holy warriors dedicated to their deities/powers. They definately made more sense than warlock. Haven't they been secluded away from the rest of the world? When did they contact the legion or learn their ways? Also: watched a few of your vids, love em. Glad I found your channel. :)

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Very glad that you enjoyed them :) That's a great point too about warlocks. How did they come into contact with the fel, other than if it had to be by chance that they came across it. Which is a weak lore point at best. It's almost akin to pandaren being warlocks, seeing as how the two races were clearly isolated. I would also presume that indulging in the fel would also be heavily against their strict priest hierarchy and general spiritual way of life, so they would be outcasts and very few in number.

@firstname4382

6 жыл бұрын

Gongrongzong I always liked the Zandalari ever since I happened upon them in the pre cata world. And ate up all da juicy troll lore since. So maybe they have the Zandalari warlocks summon Loa spirits or something, instead of demons, maybe? I highly doubt it, as it's alot of work and they already get new Druid forms, but it would be a decent lore reason for "warlocks". But yeah, warlock is, at the very least, a much weaker class to get lorewise than the paladin. 'So here ta hopin' dat wowhead be wrong on dat one, mon.'

@t.va.6611

6 жыл бұрын

They had demoniacs being mentioned since vanilla, not the same but for the sake of gameplay purposes them getting warlocks instead seems like ok. I mean demoniacs are like a blend of demon hunters with warlocks on steroids, and blizzard won't create a whole new class which shares a lot similiarities with the other one, especially for one race in one faction.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Yea! I liked in cata how they came back and everyone was in a panic of how the trolls might take over again. I agree with you, I really doubt that fel magic or demons could be channeled from the Loa, as they all kinda came from Sargeras or Archimonde/Kiljaden. Hopefully wowhead be wrong mon, dey lore never lies :)

@t.va.6611

6 жыл бұрын

Shape it had little development and only had some continuation in MoP. I liked it too. I think wow should be about stuff like that, Cthulhu, giant robots and time-travel themes just ruins game immersion for me. Like there are beings who can cleave planets in two and i am just a mook who is presented as something unique... bleh. Personal level of interaction>cosmic-epic levels. Fel is a primordial force, it comes from twisted nether. The stuff is just... it's unstable, unpredictable and has a tendecy to blow in the face of it's user. I don't see how a loa would be fond of utilizing such shtick, but who knows.

Thank you! I've been talking about this EVERY DAY on the forums!!!

Good informative content, earned a sub

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Very glad that you enjoyed it :)

Wow. New favourite WoW channel.

Great work dude!

loved your video - going to link it to my guildmates whilst i cry for what could have been.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you, very glad that you enjoyed the video! Hey, don't shed any tears yet! They may just include them if we make enough noise :) heh

Well done for making a case! I totally agree that the Zandalari really need to be reconsidered as a paladin class. But, you never know if this is going to be something they squeeze in towards release.

Great vid man, when i saw zandalar coming as an allied race i was really wanting to be a pally. I have memories from ToT as a pally requiring the trinket from horidon that turned you into a Zandalar, thought it was cool them and i know itl be cool in BFA.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it man :) Yea, totally, there are so many signs in ToT that point towards Zandas being able to wield the light, together with donning heavy arms and armor. If that's not a paladin then...not sure what it is heh

@navyflyboy07

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gongrongzong yea the Paladins are Prelates of Rezan

Another good argue for Zandalari pally is that indeed Wild gods aka loa are created by titan keeper Freya who is empowered by Titan Freya what was created by light. So wild gods are connected to light directly.

loved this video

Actually, wait! The link you posted to General Discussion? That's me! That's my unholy death knight Ghoulighan! :)

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Hey its you! Hi great to meet you :))) Yes, I read your post and your points were really awesome. And I thought I just had to make a video about this. There's no way to PM people on the forums though..so I had no way to contact you. I LOVE your suggestion about the zandalari direhorn mount haha. But I thought I had better not include it here as they were no lore reasons to it. And people are already mad at those points that are backed up by lore reasons haha :P But yea! Great post man, and thank you very much for it

Zandalari Rogue: *Hit 'Mon* 👌

I have to admit, I was quite skeptical about the whole troll paladin argument and it felt like it was just as tantrum from horde players who just wanted another paladin race, but you do bring up some interesting points that I never took into consideration before, so congrats mate, not only did you convince me about why the zandalari could be paladins, but you also earned another subscriber

@t.va.6611

6 жыл бұрын

Well, may be next time research the thing before making judgment. I see a lot of people blindly saying that Troll Paladin is a stupid idea and whatsoever without even trying to research for validity of the statement or something to disprove it.

@sil7en354

6 жыл бұрын

See the thing is that those who say that it IS a valid idea never bother to say why. The closest thing to an argument I've seen outside this video is "there were troll paladins in warcraft 3" so it doesn't really help the case when you ask why they would be valid only to be answered with stuff like "you're dumb." I can guarantee that most people relate paladins to the light, and even though I know better now I still have trouble processing tauren paladins but I've seen arguments on their favor as well so I'm ok with it, likewise, I am now ok with zandalari paladins.

@t.va.6611

6 жыл бұрын

Funny enough, there were no troll paladins in WC3. I guess it gets under nerves when people who are against shouting that it's a dumb idea while not bothering to check it for themselves. Idk, but even if there was no lore foundation, horde really need some more paladin options. Two existing ones are too polarized, we have like beastmen and human+, no middle ground.

@sil7en354

6 жыл бұрын

Well it has been a common theme for horde to have more shamans while the alliance has more paladins. But now the horde is getting more shamans AND more druids, so that is something to take into consideration as well.

@t.va.6611

6 жыл бұрын

How horde having 1 more paladin class damages alliance? This all equality thing is kind of silly.

Hm I finally understand a little more about the light. Never thought about it was a primal force. Thank you for you insight.

Well mag'har orcs can be priests, with only evidence of their existance being a boss in hellfire ramparts casting heal.

As for other allied races, I feel that Nightborne honestly should have druids. Mainly because it was a druid that saved their race using the arcan'dor.. one would think they would embrace some nature magic.

@jaymcc845

6 жыл бұрын

藍海 could bring them in later like they did with the trolls?

@t.va.6611

6 жыл бұрын

Lorewise it's.... very unfitting for them. They are a society with a fixation on arcane and magic overall. Nature magic=/=druidism.

@navyflyboy07

2 жыл бұрын

The original highborne ruling class of the night elves originally were magi, after the Sundering, Malfurion and Tyrande outlawed magecraft and exiled the remaining highborne who, the majority of but not all as seen with the mage trainers, later became high elves/blood elves/void elves.

well made video, I'm hoping that the alpha classes are not the classes that will be ingame on release. Troll Pally's are the way to go

Very interesting, Before the video I didn't support it, but now watching it, You've changed my mind.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks again :) Very happy that you got something out of it!

Well made 👍

Good arguments, it makes sense to me! Additionally with Darnassus being burned down it might motivate some night elf priests to pick up swords and become Paladins...

Well made vid. You clearly have put alot of thought into this and its well arguemented. I agree that lorewise dark iron dwarves shouldnt be able to become paladins since its completly contradicts their culture, but hey fan service and all that. At the end you said that Zandalari hunters are less likely than paladins, I would argue the Dinomancers who are clearly beastmasters of dinosaurs but its just a minor thing. Keep up the good work, looking forward to more of ur vids.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Hey Yazan, so sorry I must have missed out on your comment. Yes you're completely right there, I was thinking too one dimensionally about agility = rogues and hunters. Dinomancers are a HUGE part of their culture and they would definitely make fantastic hunters :) Thanks for pointing that out!

We need to make blizz bring zandalari paladins

In Argument for Night Elf Paladins... they've technically been around LONGER then Human and Dwarf Paladins... Night Elf Priesthood, the Priestesses of the Moon worship Elune yes... but Elune goes by another name as well, the Night Warrior. In her full moon phase, she is the mother, the healer, in her dark phase, she is the warrior, the huntress. Priestesses of the Moon are traditionally trained in Martial prowess just as much as they are in healing. If you've read the War of the Ancients trilogy, Priestesses of the Moon are skilled in ranged weapons (Bows) and melee weapons (Moon glaives, warglaives, Umbra Crescents, etc) AND they wore plate armor, a lot of them wore mail, but the higher up Priestesses wore plate in times of war. If you want to put it... they were the ORIGINAL Paladins on Azeroth, just not CALLED Paladins.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

That's a good point! They were the first before most to don heavy armor together with the powers of the Light/Moon/Elune. It would be an easy transition for some to learn the teaching of the Order of the Silver Hand, which has already been shown in Legion to be possible

@t.va.6611

6 жыл бұрын

Honestly, paladin is just a term for a holy warrior. Priestess of the Moon only difference between them and paladins is that the latter are utilizing heavy armour and melee weapons, where the previous relies on agility and overall dexterity and bows, etc. If/when NE paladin became a thing i hope there will be an option to recolour the light in to moonlight-white as it is lorewise must be.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Some night elves do wear heavy armor though. Jarod Shadowsong is a good example of a front line warrior wearing the heaviest of armor :) That sounds awesome, casting healing spells in a moonlight-white colour. Great idea!

@t.va.6611

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but Jarod is a warrior, but i get the point. Tis not an idea, it's canon and lore-wise, Tyrande did it in books if my memory suits me well. Sunwalkers and tauren priests (whatever they are named as) both must have orange-reddish-golden colour theme instead of classic golden yellow. ps: my headcanon is that they are even using nature-magic like Arrakoa insead of light, it just appears similiar. Seriously, Sunwalkers lore is so vague and unflashed (ha!).

@katarinaducouteau5729

6 жыл бұрын

In the War of the Ancients, Priestesses of the Moon wore mail AND plate armor. Maiev Shadowsong, while a Warden now, was a Senior Priestess who was appointed the title of Temporary High Priestess of the Moon and she wore heavy plate armor.

Loa be praised for Zandalari paladins have been confirmed.

If a race can Play as holy priest they should get paladin too!

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

I agree with you mate, but not for all races :) Forsaken burn really intensely when they use the light, and they can just barely tolerate it as priests. So...probably going to be too much with the overwhelming presence of the light as a pally

@kritsdja

5 жыл бұрын

Why dont just Get rid of factions aswell

Also there's something that happens with The Void and The Old Gods in the storyline of BFA which goes with Zandalari players not being able to play Paladins.

Interesting, those Zandalari prelates are literally paladins

Alliance get dwarves, humans, space goats, sparkling space goats and smoldery dwarves that can be paladins; horde get two races. Troll pallies make perfect sense.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Hehe sparkling space goats. Totally agree. Normal trolls no, they don't make sense. But Zanda trolls yes :)

@jacobwiren8142

6 жыл бұрын

More importantly, we've already seen troll paladins in Cataclysm.

@katarinaducouteau5729

6 жыл бұрын

If Troll Paladins make sense... then where are my Night Elf Paladins? Elune fits more then any Loa.

@Eveliane

6 жыл бұрын

Pandaren. Alliance already have 3 shaman races

@yumpatv2787

6 жыл бұрын

Juliana Blewett ally has 5 paladins horde has 7 shamans lol.

Couldn't they, i theory, just turn a Naaru into a Loa for paladins and priests? That could make the straight up paladins instead of Prelates that are just fitted into paladins for programming ease.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Hey Cazali! That's a very interesting point of view, never thought of it that way. They could technically do that. While they have always traditionally worshipped wild gods, the definition of what comprises a wild god is very broad. So yea, trolls worshipping a Naaru could definitely be possible imo

you forgot to mention the blood magic used in WotLK with the San'Layn

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Hey Izalor! Yea, that's a good point :) I missed out on that. Thanks for the comment!

I WANT TO BELIEVE

@t.va.6611

6 жыл бұрын

Have faith!

This guy actually is right, it makes sense.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks :) glad you enjoyed the video!

PLS Zandalari paladin!

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Hey FrenzyBlade! It might just come true. Ion sure was teasing it quite a bit in the Q&A :)

Not just ToT they are also in the BFA already. Saw it from a Tuskeh video. They are actual Paladins that deal holy dmg.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Yup, that's right! They do exist in BfA from what we've seen in the alpha. Guess it remains up to Blizzard whether they want to make them relevant to the lore, of which so far it seems to be not so much

Well, they made it!

@Gongrongzong

5 жыл бұрын

That they did HomicidalBluePikmin :) that they did

I agree with this video!

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it :)

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it :)

Dark Irons have a lot of Paladins. Just need to play through BRD without 1 shooting everything to notice how many paladin dwarves are in there.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Great point! Additionally, if "evil" or "corrupted" humans like the Scarlet Crusade can become paladins, no reason why a Dark Iron couldn't. Plus they aren't all evil, some are neutral or even good.

night elves are about to get the “Warrior of Elune” customization... and we know that “elune” is their source of faith for their priests... Warrior + Elune = ...dude this theory is VERY close to be real!

nailed it.

Honestly I wasn't convinced until the end when he demonstrated that they literally already exist in the game. Gimme dat Zandalari paladin mon

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Glad I managed to convince you mon :)

im a main Death Knight actually i preffer Unholy for pvp but i use dual Blood to tank, i never get too much about the ''lore'' behind that blood Spec and where did it come from? now it have more sense, its very interesting, in that order of ideas blood magic its something that we have since lich king...or maybe before? nice video :)

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Yes! Blood magic seems really interesting and underrated. It was used extensively in WoD but I think it was overshadowed heavily by the fel. I think it's great that it's having some prominence now, as like you said it was really unexplained for blood dks how they got their powers, whereas unholy and frost was kinda self explanatory. I'm very glad you enjoyed the video :) thanks for watching!

Regardless of how well it fits it would be severely unfair to alliance (a horde player myself) to give more druid and paladin options to horde than alliance.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

I agree with you, and I do suspect that's one of the, if not the, main reason why Blizzard is having difficulty assigning classes to these new races. End of the day...it's a game, not a storybook, so that will have to come first for them.

If Zandalari can be a paladin I'm race changing instantly when possible.

Not gonna lie. I would love Zandalari Pallys.

Blood trolls are the actual cool race

Worgen Paladins would work as well. I think in fact it would almost make more sense than Night Elf Paladins because Gilneas was part of the Second War when the Silver Hand first started to train Paladins to combat the first Death Knights, who were Orc Warlock souls put into human corpses. Gilnean Paladins did exist and I don't see why Gilneas would've stopped training Paladins after they sealed their walls at the beginning of the Third War and the Scourge invasion. The lore is there, some people just don't want to deal with it.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

That's a great point, I didn't think about that. Gilnean pallies must have existed, or at least the chance of them would be very high. Greymane was close to Lordaeron and even had ties with Tirion. Perhaps their bestial nature prevents them from going all out full light? Something like the forsaken, who can tolerate being priests but can't take the overwhelming light presence of being a paladin. Not too sure. But your point makes a lot of sense, thanks for the comment!

@Archon762

6 жыл бұрын

I reread your comment and realized you never actually called the Worgen Curse anything truly based in evil magic but I already wrote this so I'll keep this argument for any that would try to call it evil magic Ah that's people's first argument, the worgen curse is just that: a curse. And all curses are bad and dark right? Well not specifically. The Worgen curse may be savage, violent, and reduces people who have it mindless beasts (until the events of Cataclysm that is) BUT the Worgen curse originates from Druidism, their forbidden Pack Form from the Wild God Goldrinn. There's no Necromancy, Fel or Shadow really tied to the curse aside from how primal they are. Also on the topic of Gilnean Paladins there were some units in Warcraft two I don't remember what they were called specifically but they were armored Gilnean Light users in the campaign.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

You're completely right there, it is a curse, nothing more, and it has shown to be able to be cleansed by the same Druidism that binded them to it. Their bodies are whole, not like the Forsaken, and their mental capabilities are fully restored, showing no reason why they couldn't wield the light, as exemplified by worgen priests. Plus, many worgen are brute force fighters. Front line brute force + the light would naturally evolve into holy warriors. But that's a really cool point, that they were present in WC2. Been too many years since I played it haha.

you know that almost sounds like a cool new class. Blood wizard! The game still has not had a new cloth caster so i think it's due. since the first expansion it has been plate, plate, leather, leather. the pallys and monks have heal casts, but they are all ultimately melee dps and tanks. not one new cloth/caster since the game began.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Yea, agree with ya. Leather especially has been prominent, due to the monks and dh. They need a new cloth class! Perhaps a blood wizard could be a necromancer? :)

Horde is still outnumbered fighter Alliance in this class because they have Dark Iron Dwarf Ironforge Dwarf, Human Draenei Lightforged Draenei & possibly KulTiras Humans since the Horde only has Blood Elves & Mulgore Tauren (🐄) as Paladins pre patch 8.0 bfa

Weren’t there Gnome paladins?

They should just give the Night elves Paladins since they are already cannon.

I was hoping for zandalari paladins so bad. I don't know why they can't just add paladins to the zandalari class pool.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

I'm thinking its most probably because of faction class balance :) Traditionally alliance have always had more pallies and horde more shammies. It really warps the lore though in the process.

Well,you are wrong about hunters. Dinmancers are on of the most respected ppl in zandalar.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

That is true, you are right. Forgive me about that part. I think at the point I was thinking dexterity = agility = hunters and rogues. But yes, training dinosaurs is a big part of zandalari culture for sure!

Faction class balance is a non issue in terms of the Alliance having more since they now have 5 while the Horde still only has 2.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

alliance only have 2 options for shammies though :) so that's probably the counter reason against more pallies more the horde

if we do get night elf paladins, zandalari trolls can be counter part in alliance and horde conflict too!~

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

You said it :) night elf pallies make less or at least as much sense as zandalari ones

Very well put together video, great points made as well. I too think they should be able to be Pallys, also Nelf Pally would be awesome asf tbh

I really want a Zandalari dk 🗿

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

They really do make sense as DKs too, there were so many of them meddling throughout Azeroth, and even in Northrend

Can’t wait for orcs paladin

I want you to be right so badly!

alliance have 5 races that are pallys; Human,Dwarf,Draenei, LF Draenei, and Di Dwarf. While the horde have 2; Blood elf and Tauren. giving the Horde one more pally wont hurt. And the Zandalari is a great sub race that could be pallies.

@wearytravelerx1

6 жыл бұрын

Brigadier Couch dark irons won't be able to be paladins

@TheAwesomeCouch

6 жыл бұрын

Austin Green it was confirmed last week tho

@ShillienKnight90

6 жыл бұрын

The same is for the shamans in Horde side.The thing is they always want to balance those 2 so if they give paladins to horde they should give shamans to alliance.

@yumpatv2787

6 жыл бұрын

Brigadier Couch 7 shams horde 5 pally horde.

Night Elf paladin with Night Warrior eyes.. omg please blizzard

How much you wanna bet we get some kind of blood-wielding class after we defeat these blood trolls?

I'm not sure if you realize that the Zandalari trolls are a horde race not an alliance race.

With pandaren the alliance have access to three shamans. The horde has access to two paladins. As such, they should give horde another Paladin possibility in the Zandalari without having to add night Elves as paladins as well

@mattymyth

6 жыл бұрын

Nero Haze if this was still a vanilla stand point I could see that being paladins alliance and horde shaman... but with this expansion the horde get two new Druid classes with complete new Druid forms. Leaving the alliance with still only 2 druids

@earendil383

6 жыл бұрын

Matty H druids are not a horde or alliance class. They couldn’t really make Draenei druids or void elf druids, they went with what made sense with the druids, but paladins make sense with Zandalari, and they are keeping them out simply to keep the alliance with an possible shaman to pally ratio.

@mattymyth

6 жыл бұрын

That may be but considering things aside where it is very viable for Night Elf to paladins we know blizzard is not going to do so either now or ever in the future... But as the moment stands blizzard might not make them paladins because of the high amount of new class race combos the horde get over alliance. If zandalari can be paladins, that means this expansion, horde get new races for druids, shamans, and paladins.. leaving the alliance to get only another paladin class. As none of the new alliance races get the shaman class.

@earendil383

6 жыл бұрын

Matty H however that still stands to point that it will even out the difference in accessible paladins vs shaman for both sides, and then will only leave the Druid for contest, but the Zandalari don’t get monk, for lore reasons, when every class in the game can be monk, which leaves more alliance monks. As far as I know anyways with monks. And there’s probably something else as well I’m not thinking of.

@mattymyth

6 жыл бұрын

Actually as of right now Horde have more monk choices.. Lightforge cannot be monks for alliance.

while on the topic of trolls I want a witch doctor class in wow

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

A witchdoctor class...interesting. Hmm. Which Alliance races would be able to be the class though? :)

@sanderkiki

5 жыл бұрын

Would be kinda interesting if Bliz start to introduce racial specs, not classes, like...warden for NE rogs, witch doctor for troll shamans, spellbreaker for BE warrior etc, not many at the same time, but i dont think WoW any more classes, specs tho would be interesting additions, but need creativity, a lot of it, to be implemented. and sorry for writing in old post

Dark iron gets shaman and Zandalari doesn’t get pally ??

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Hey Barber Mike! They may, the devs were hinting and teasing about it :)

the alliance needs another druid and shaman race

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

I agree with you, they do. I don't yet see why Dark Irons can't be shamans. Their home in Blackrock Depths is literally swimming with fire elementals :) Even if they were under Ragnaros' control, I'm thinking that if they can learn to become monks, they should also be able to learn from their dwarven brethern on how to control the elements

Yes maghar priests n zandalari paldins

paladin are not just combination of priest and warrior. if that was the case gnome and undead could have been paladin. it is much more than that.

You know what, it actually makes a little sense that they can be paladins.

Gnome and Night Elf for paladin

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

I'm not too sure about gnomes heh. Night Elves for sure, as they already exist. But I haven't found any strong lore reasons for gnome pallies. Let me know if you find any!

There's nothing connecting the loa to the light. loa are mostly beast gods or formless minor deities, and would be attached to life and Azeroth rather than the extraplanetary force of the light. Zandalari pallys is a pretty long stretch for the lore. Also, the bit about the Zandalari preferring brute force over dexterity is just in reference to the warrior class and does not invalidate the existence of rogues or hunters.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

You are right, there is absolutely nothing connecting the Loa to the light :) I was only making the logical conclusion that if Zandalari priests were drawing on the light, they had to be drawing it from somewhere. Coupled with how priests are the main class of the Zandalari, it wasn't too far a stretch to assume that Paladins would be possible. Just my opinion. I like your point about the brute force only applying to warriors. If that's true, then yea rogues would make much more sens

Dark iron dwarves confirmed to not be able to become paladins, and theres some datamined videos showing zandalari trolls moving with 2 daggers aka probably rogues (we still could be wrong tho). SO the "dextery text" may be to take with a grain of salt. As for zandalari being paladin it could make sense from your video and like you showed, they already exist in the lore. I was hoping to have zandalari rogue/hunt/priest in bfa, I hope it will be possible lol. Aside of that I'm also rooting to have vulpera on horde side even if this chance is slim ^_^

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

You're right! Paladins for Dark Irons werent included in the datamined list. But, Ion Hazzikostas confirmed in an interview last week to Forbes that Dark Iron Dwarves can be Paladins, its just not visible in the data yet :) I'm sure it will be possible to a rogue/hunt/priest! Those classes have already been confirmed in the datamine. Of course, it's just alpha and nothing is 100%, but it's highly likely to go through :) And yes totally, Vulpera for the Horde would be so awesome

I still want Orc Priests, Garrosh had Orc Shadow Priests in Warlord's of Draenor.

@kefo2323

6 жыл бұрын

or orc druid . we been bound to nature through shamanistic nature life and wolf

@Quitarstudent

6 жыл бұрын

"we been bound"

Tbh when they do that the Alliance players will switch more to the horde And the alliance lost already alot of people and most of the Top guilds so i don't think it's a goo idea

Incredible video. Thank you for your discussion. I would love to play a Zandalari Paladin next expansion. I hope that Blizzard reconsiders this.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Very glad that you enjoyed it. Fingers crossed! They may still change their decision, it's still alpha :)

Aannnnd now I support Zandalari Paladins.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

You now part of de light mon :)

I would play a night elf paladin

@loganmontuori

6 жыл бұрын

A moon warrior

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

It really would be an interesting class/race combo :) what with Elune's light and all

This video was good but when you started talking about this night elfs i got pissed

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

:( sorry that you got pissed. They already exist though in the paladin class hall though! So its Blizzard you have to blame for that :)

@dinokeefe7015

6 жыл бұрын

just kidding i love you bro :)

@dinokeefe7015

6 жыл бұрын

But that part when you said that zandalari paladin are more viable than hunters?? They were the first dinomancers and shadow hunters though

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Yea that one was my bad..not sure why I mentioned it. I think I was thinking too much about dexterity and rogues and hunters. But yea, they will make the best hunters for sure!

Sure, as long as Nelves can be paladins/templars.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

They should right. Both zanda and NE pallies are already seen in game. But I also get why they may want to limit class choices due to gameplay reasons/balance

In the lore, technically any race cooooould be any class, night elves and trolls could totally be paladins, however blizz want the races to have distinct and unique cultures and feels, night elves being naturey and druidy, trolls being maiyan and shamaney, if anything the Cataclysm new race-class combos were a step too far

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

I agree with you, with just one exception, by the lore I think it would be very hard for Forsaken to be paladins :P Just wish they stuck a little closer to the lore. If Zandas don't favor dexterity but favor priesthood, makes more sense to add in pallies in exchange for rogues. Just my two cents :) But yes, I do see the merits of having racial distinctiveness, it does help to add flavor to the game, and it's something I would support too

@KronosSupreme

6 жыл бұрын

Makes zero sense they are able to be warlocks or rogues.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Yea! The connection to the fel is a little iffy too. They were completely isolated for thousands for years, so not sure how they managed to make contact with demons or fel energy.

@Telarius

6 жыл бұрын

The lore is generalizations. Of course there are small exceptions, but OVERALL there are rarely troll paladins/night elven paladins. Ect. But there may be a few, the claas restriction follows these generalizations.

@DG_427

6 жыл бұрын

There is already a night elf paladin, her name is Delas Moonfang. You recruit her in Paladin campaign.

not only that but the zandalri prelate use very paladinish spells during the raid Throne of Thunder. also pissed that we can get void elves made up on the spot....yet no naga an murlocs playable. hell i woudlnt mind playing a mantid or hozen either.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Yup, agree with ya, they most certainly do :) I get that Blizzard is doing this for racial class balance, but I think sometimes they just stretch the lore a little bit too far.

If the other trolls cant be palys why should the zandalari personally i dont want more classes up for paladins on the horde it was realy interesting having classes limited to certain factions especialy since the zandalari are the original tribe the purest trolls why should they be using the light. if anything they should be considered witch doctors not priests.

Void elves. Eugh. Good video doe.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it :)

Night Elves already have 9 classes. Couldn't you choose something else to be another Paladin race-- assuming one is even necessary.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Hey Hobgoblyn! Well.. honestly I personally wouldnt have gone with night elf paladins too. But Blizz made the decision to include them, so..

Gee Hoon? LOL

Nightborne should have had pallies.

@t.va.6611

6 жыл бұрын

No, they should not.

@kingbeast777

6 жыл бұрын

Lucas T and druids

@t.va.6611

6 жыл бұрын

Michael Mullen, Again - no, they should not. Yes, druids use nature magic, but druids practice is more than just being a nature-caster.

@Direwoof

6 жыл бұрын

fck you dude ruining other ppls fun.

@t.va.6611

6 жыл бұрын

Lucas T, Not me but Blizzard. I for one want Void Elf druids with tentacle forms and shit. Not gonna happen. Night Elf casting holy light spells having an appearence of moonlight-silver colour for Priests and Paladins (why they are not added yet!?)? Blizzards says - nope. Tauren Priests and Paladins having reddis/orange-golden colour for their holy spells? Nah-ah. Knife throwing spec for rogues? Nope A class/spec representing medic (no magic) in the game? Nope.

I'd rather have an UD pally than a Troll.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

They would look really cool, but UD pallies would be a little hard tho :/ the light burns any undead outright, and the forsaken are only just able to tolerate it as priests. I think as pallies the light would be too overwhelming for them to withstand unfortunately

If you want to play a paladin other than BE or Tauren, better roll Alliance.

Blizzard really misses the ball on this one. They could have replaced Mages the very least

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Yea, agree with ya! I have no bias towards pallies, but a lot of their current classes make less sense than paladins.

well, i feel like any race who can be priest and warrior should be also paladins

@sewerynbiko4917

6 жыл бұрын

and also nat all races should be a warrior, like a gnome

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Very true! The only exception to this would be the Forsaken. It burns their bodies really badly when they use the light. So it might be a bit of a stretch for them to be paladins who are overwhelmingly part of the light :)

I agree but then again the horde is already having twice as much druids then the alliance does .. along with I believe shaman.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Some were hoping that Dark Irons could be shaman, and the trade off is that the zandalari could be pallies :) Kul Tiran humans may be able to be druids too, so look out for that!

@JessyGroen

6 жыл бұрын

If only those werent so ugly imo , Id love the vulperra to join us hopefully or maybe them going neutral.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Yea! Vulpera as a neutral race would be a nice idea. Get all the furries to be neutral :) like the pandas

The only reason zandalari are not paladins is, that horde got way too much Druids recently and has more Shamans than Alliance does paladins, so giving them even more Paladins would make way too big class imbalance in factions. The lore for it is there and it would make sense, they even had to give Dark iron shamans, even thou they said they don't intend to.

@Gongrongzong

6 жыл бұрын

Yup, you're right. Gameplay reasons will always trump lore reasons. Which is a good thing, it is a game first and foremost, after all

It seems like Blizzard keep making sloppy lore mistakes in this expansion!

I'll beg to green jesus for there will be no zandalari paladins. We alredy have cows and we don't need "DAA VOODOO KNAIGHT"