“Ban lists are complicated” Konami: “Ban/unban whatever makes us the most money”

@bloodarcher7841

3 жыл бұрын

Right??? If they cared about solving issues as they come.. yeah they probably wouldn’t make as much money.. but the player base may come together more.. 4 years of dragonlink nonsense..

@KikiCatMeow

3 жыл бұрын

@@bloodarcher7841 the only reliable ways to hit dragonlink are to power creep it or to ban half of the generic dragon support. I understand what you’re trying to say but dragonlink is definitely not a good example for it

@WavemasterAshi

3 жыл бұрын

@@KikiCatMeow Which sort of suggests that they've lost control of their game, does it not?

@KikiCatMeow

3 жыл бұрын

@@WavemasterAshi ...not really? Unless “lose control of their game” means printing generic cards that help dragons, then yeah sure. The only reason there isn’t a “dragonlink” equivalent to spellcasters or aquas or some other type is because konami purposely makes dragon support good, which naturally leads to spam strong decks like that. If reptiles had as much op support then they’d be hella unfair too. It’s less them losing control and more them allowing the game to be a breeding ground for this stuff, because it’s 100% intentional on their part

@user-vl8ck4gz6w

3 жыл бұрын

@@KikiCatMeow banning elpi and changing some efefcts to not generic would be fine. Also dont make generic negate monsters in the future PLEASE

konami: *releases banlist wishlist survey* players: haha pot of greed to 3

@baileydombroskie3046

3 жыл бұрын

To 3: destiny hero malicious. To 0: all generic ED monsters that have negation effects, disruption effects, and mass removal effects. Format solved!👍😁

@PsychoKern

3 жыл бұрын

@@baileydombroskie3046 Dragoon and Zeus....Problem solved, the rest are okay

@TraaaaaasshBooooaaaatttt

3 жыл бұрын

@@PsychoKern zues isnt that bad honestly

@999spot5

3 жыл бұрын

@@baileydombroskie3046 ok so ban rhapsody in berserk?

@yato7030

3 жыл бұрын

@@baileydombroskie3046 okay nice idea. Chain summon limit have a nice format

Simple fix: ban **all** cards, except Mushroom Man.

@zioncommand

3 жыл бұрын

Hmm what about Lilttle D?

@chrisshorten4406

3 жыл бұрын

And "Mild Turkey".

@parahdime1992

3 жыл бұрын

And Mushroom Man #2

@duelistalliance1071

3 жыл бұрын

And frog the jam!

@edwardsmith3274

3 жыл бұрын

Ban watapan

Banlists follow the golden rule that all of entertainment follows - You can't please everyone. Most people don't realize this because they've never had to sit on the receiving end of people insulting everything they do. The only thing players need to be doing about banlists is adapting their decks to what the banlist does as well as be smart enough to understand what has a target on its back. I think the demand for banlists comes from the imaginary utopia-esque idea that if you ban X cards that all of a sudden that would create a perfect harmony where there are 12 tier 1 decks and 20 tier 2 decks. That will never happen regardless of what any banlist ever does because the formation of a meta inherently comes from the fact that people gravitate towards what's "good" in PvP games. If you're competitive you will take any edge or advantage you can get, and there are no decks that are exactly equal in power except a direct mirror match. There will never be equal representation because the community is not equally interested in all decks & archetypes.

@frankwest5388

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. You are completely correct. A good example is how my ban list suggestions differ from say MBTs I often suggest cards that would either restrict either future card design, by forcing power creep, or cards that are so powerful, that even decent to good alternatives wouldn’t see play. While MBT suggests hits based on simply based on how the current META would be impacted. This suggesting cards be fried that would be awful to play against as long as they aren’t going to be META. This is why I say that Savage dragon and Apolusa should be banned, while he would never even touch them. But he suggested Cyber Jar to be freed, which I wouldn’t even joke about

@darkanddolly16

3 жыл бұрын

@@frankwest5388 nah, Apollusa? I can almost see Savage, but Apollusa should never be banned. It isn't so oppressive that it ruins the game, and cards are allowed to be good.

@frankwest5388

3 жыл бұрын

@@darkanddolly16 2 Things A: Apollusa can easily stop your turn immediatly, if you dont have a spell to deal with her or imperm. B: My main problem with her, is that she powercreeps too much. Any monster that doesnt have multiple monster negations, are just not worth it with her in the game. Crystal Wing? Worse than her. Any other Link 4 that isnt just an OTK enabler? Not worth ending on. Maybe used as an extender, but otherwise bad. This means that she ruins future game design and makes otherwise perfectly fine cards unviable. It is basically impossible to justify making almost anything else, if you could just make her, since she is that generic. Avramax, Borreload Dragon, Borrelguard and many other perfectly fine and powerful cards are not worth it due to her. You dont even have to invest much into her. Just use a left over combo Link monster and anything else. Also non OPT negates should not be a thing on an easily accesible extra deck card. LADD makes you at least dedicate your game state to her and is a double edged blade.

@darkanddolly16

3 жыл бұрын

@@frankwest5388 I have to disagree. Apollusa may end the turn of a bad deck, but it's very easy to out Apollusa. Her negates being tied to her ATK also make her not impossible to beat over when the average amount of negates you'll have on her are 2-3. She's also once per chain. Avermax alone can be impossible for some decks to beat, doesn't make him a problem card. As I said, strong cards are allowed to be strong when there are reasonable outs to it. As long as the game doesn't become degenerate it'll be fine, but there's no need to drag it down to Fortune Fairy level.

@shawnjavery

3 жыл бұрын

@@darkanddolly16 its usually appolusa plus the rest of the board that's a problem. It's often the difference between having a strong and a weak end board for decks, with people needing board breaking cards to deal with it. Another thing is it being around makes Nibiru weaker in the format. I like Nibiru as a card, it has a lot of counter play, and I acknowledge it's only the strong hands that are able to appolusa and still so things for decks. But I think the game would be better without that option because it forces combo decks to make more trade offs to play around nib.

Hey, y'all remember last year when there was absolutely nothing going on because of- well, you know, and people were still clamoring for an updated banlist even though there was no need for one, so Konami just unbanned a card or two and those same people got mad and asked why did Konami even update the banlist? That was funny.

@madbart214yomother7

3 жыл бұрын

It was. Yu-Gi-Oh players don't make sense on stuff like this.

@bl00by_

3 жыл бұрын

No need for one? Blockdragon and auroadon combos were all over the place.

@BmanTheChamp

3 жыл бұрын

@@bl00by_ What I meant is there were no tournaments or competitive play whatsoever (online simulators don't count) so there was no point of a banlist.

@bloodarcher7841

3 жыл бұрын

@@BmanTheChamp true but just because there’s no events shouldn’t mean the Banlist should not happen.. because if that’s the case, when events started again, there’d be a nightmare of shit to deal with.

@avee1210

3 жыл бұрын

That banlist was freaking hilarious

Honestly the "Big 4 Metas" are my favorite, I really enjoyed 2019. It meant that while the big bois were able to romp around in tier 1, the tier 2's and the rogues could know well enough what to build for in tournaments, what tech to run, et cetera.

Think about it this way. Would you rather have a ban list or a set rotation every 18 months? A set rotation would be worse, fellas.

@darkanddolly16

3 жыл бұрын

I play Yugioh specifically because it has no set rotation. I build new decks with the new sets, but I appreciate that my favorite deck (Six Sams) will always be something I can take to a locals to FTK or build a silly board the games my opponent doesn't topdeck Ash.

@darknessnight1115

3 жыл бұрын

@@darkanddolly16 I played MTG for six years and it was so annoying. It was just a money pit scheme. And anyone who played just modern casually and not standard was looked down on as MTG players typically like to do as much as possible.

Remember when Saryuja Skull Dread was “ban this sick filth” in 2018 and now its “I had a spot in my Extra Deck and sometimes need to fix my hand I guess”

@SahnigReingeloetet

3 жыл бұрын

Well it DID enable a lot of BS and, in fact, still does. Slash Draw is on the list solely because SkullD deep-draw is, like, a thing.

"Konami has balanced the ban list for years" The most controversial take in this video.

My problem with yugioh it’s that the game is too expensive. I remember when I was 22 and spent around 1000 on a Insector deck. Then the deck got hit. I lost all my money. I saw that I needed to spend another 1000 for a competitive deck. Some of y’all are able to do it but I just realized I needed to spend my money on other things and start saving for my future.

@thomaskey9688

3 жыл бұрын

Competitive decks only cost that much if your forking out on like a set of talents and droplets and going max rarity every time you build a deck 😂

@martin99110

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomaskey9688 not true. I remember there are times a deck passed 1000 dollars just because all the cards in the extra deck are extremely hard to pull. Remember draccosack era? Like each extra deck monster during that time was around 100. Like 80 percent of the time meta cards are usually the rarest cards. There was no common Tour guide back when it released. Trust me I would of gotten them.

@eavyeavy2864

3 жыл бұрын

Have you considered anti-meta? You cant have a good thing if you arent willing to pay the price, thats just how competition work. If you dont play competitively then find people who are willing to play within your budget.

14:28 the OCG actually does this too. That means only the TCG doesn’t do it lol

@shasan2393

3 жыл бұрын

Duel links also gives short explanations for bans/limits as well

@yato7030

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah but they are usually dogshit if you read them they literally explain nothing. This just shows how lazy konami is

At some point in the video you mentioned people’s attitude towards equalizer cards (Dark Ruler, Nibiru, Droplets, Lightning Storm, etc.). Potential video topic? I love these discussion videos a lot, and it’s always nice to listen without needing to watch.

@vedremo9240

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah from this video you can see it s better than other yugitubers that blindly follow the meta He put forward good thought is an intelligent guy

@christopherbishop1950

3 жыл бұрын

I love the equalizer cards as a whole, price point.... well let's just say not so much

@mfswylin

3 жыл бұрын

@@christopherbishop1950 price point wouldn't be so bad if konami just gave us the same reprints the ocg has like the evenly matched one.. I understand they have to get their products to sell though

@sephikong8323

3 жыл бұрын

The way I see it, equalizers are not fun, but they're a necessary evil. It's insanely frustrating to receive and not that gratifying to use either (though I'll admit that putting a Nibiru at the perfect time is just insanely satisfying, but most other are just not that interesting to use), but without them the game would devolve rapidly so they are important, I just wish they were a bit more fun to play with/against for the most part

@Liathrys

3 жыл бұрын

@@sephikong8323 Equalizers are pretty justified. They exist so that people can minimize their whining over "overpowered boss monsters".

I think konami should take more risks with the unbanning of cards, a few times card stay banned for way too long, they come back and they're just totally irrelevant... They should takes risks and "test the waters" by unbanning some cards that could just maybe come off the list, just to see what happens for a format, if they are truly broken and become a problem just put them back on the banlist, but if not great! they discovered more cards that can be released from the banlist early.

@BmanTheChamp

3 жыл бұрын

That's a pretty good idea, lots of cards that are on the list have counters to them now, or at least ways to deal with them.

@colecraddock1187

3 жыл бұрын

Even if its within a category for "tentatively unrestricted" cards, so that nobody would be surprised if they were immediately put back on the list within a couple weeks.

@p0laris789

3 жыл бұрын

I kind of want colossus again, at least to one.There are much more broken cards now.

@VGV1deo

3 жыл бұрын

They tried that with snatch steal apparently at some point

@PsychoKern

3 жыл бұрын

We need bigger and more of "risk taking" banlists....Like jsut ban or limit or unlimit over 10 cards, not 2 or 3.....Then emergency banlist after 2 weeks to either revert the changes or reduce them.....Just change the data on the website based on the players suggestions and complains, replays and newly discovered "meta breaking giga OP new strats tier 0" stuff people come up with

Recently discovered this channel, and found the content really good even though I haven't touched YGO in almost fifteen years. An interesting possible take from an outsider is that YGO could benefit from the addition of more formats, such as a Standard format that only takes certain sets into account (that have been released within a certain timeframe). This allows newer sets that may be weaker than older ones the opportunity to shine due to being an environment with a lower overall power. This could also result in more varying gameplay environments and give Konami more design space to work with as when they're designing for Standard, they just need to worry about the sets that it will be in Standard with as opposed to the entirety of YGO's currently-legal cardlist. This could also potentially slow down power creep a bit, since they can opt to wind down power levels over a certain season. Several card games have already adopted this style with some degrees of success such as Hearthstone, Shadowverse, and MTG.

People who say Konami should take player input have clearly never spoken to Yugioh players about the banlist, they have some of the most ludicrous ideas. A few custom banlist I’ve seen: all handtraps banned, all floodgates banned, all ED monster that have an Omni negate banned, etc, etc. The players absolutely do NOT know what they want.

@YGOHermit

3 жыл бұрын

Not all ppl are like that. For example you show self awareness here. They are so crazed because konami ignores is all the time.

@bloodarcher7841

3 жыл бұрын

I’m a competitive player and know what should happen.. but yeah generally speaking players are so brain dead and bias.. like my favorite deck is eldlich.. but for the sake of Frankenstein monster decks abusing my cards as an engine.. hit scarlet sanguine so the monkeys can stop the bs.. same goes for dragoon spam..

@warriorofgod2700

3 жыл бұрын

@@bloodarcher7841 i agree with you 100000%. I have had countless decks hit by the banlist because key pieces were being pieced out into meta decks. Or worse...key cards so expensive for no reason because of a frankensteined deck of 6 different engines lol

We need to add a new catagory. A "2-only" category. Decks can have these forbidden cards on this list but no more than 2 from the category. This solves the Needlefiber problem with tuners and the splashing of engines into decks aside pure variants

@rangeless

3 жыл бұрын

This banlist format is in the mobile game Duel Links. Example, you can only use up to two semi-limited cards within the semi-limited list.

@slimehermit

3 жыл бұрын

@@rangeless exactly. It can be implemented in TCG by just followinf Duel Links.

I think Konami should experiment with unbanning more often in my eyes.

Good job Paul you explained it pretty well. I have and idea, it might be bad, but if Konami would make new cards to support older archetypes so those two or three new card will help the deck become a meta deck. That way we can cycle rather than just new cards equal meta. I don’t mean cards that are generic like Zeus but rather more family based cards like Paul said in his other video. An example would be next generation that supports two archetypes, some would same even three with Kuriboh, Heroes, and neo-spacians. This card accompanies not just three archetypes but even more due to all the sub archetypes of heroes. I would like more meta cards that can support multiple archetypes, family of archetypes like Paul said before.

I actually liked the sky striker, orcust, salad, and thunder dragon era

@teomangurbuz

3 жыл бұрын

I am still waiting for salaman unlimits :(

@TezzyEnglizhEmo

3 жыл бұрын

I do want the full orcust core back

@MattSinz

3 жыл бұрын

Of course it was a good era, the Eternal format had 4 tire 1 strategies, half a dozen rogue strategies and to top it off, even the most budget player could compete at the highest levels thanks to amazing releases like the Salad structure deck.

@bl00by_

3 жыл бұрын

I still want harp, electrum and maybe even engage back (or atleast multirole back to 3)...

@Kishimyu

3 жыл бұрын

Still waiting for Colossus to 1.

I just want Astrograph and/or Electrumite to 1. Gives pendulum a fighting Chance

I real enjoy waiting for these videos to come out.

Paul I love this content the most from you! Discussion also considering your a player who has been around long enough to see many major changes and have perspective from different standpoints. There’s three major opinions when it comes to banlist, you have the meta player perspective, you have the rouge/casual player perspective, and you have the market watch perspective. All 3 matter when it come to banlist and the health of the game and secondary market changes. To be a meta player you must also be ahead of the curve with the market else you pay the price. Now you can’t always dodge major prices especially with new releases but you can also set aside a budget or see a deck in the ocg and get cards ahead of time before buyouts occur.

There was a brief time they posted information write ups on banlist updates. People still got pissed at their reasoning so they stopped.

Just unban everything so we can figure out the true tier 0 deck

@junior_doujinshi879

3 жыл бұрын

Just surrender before victory dragon attacks

@otakotako2601

3 жыл бұрын

didn't they do that on the OCG and hand control zoo with bunch of HT won out of all things

@thecloudedthought

3 жыл бұрын

In theory, a 40 card orcust variant would be fucking busted

@YourKingSkeletor

3 жыл бұрын

Deep Draw Exodia FTK. Until your opponent drops a Droll.

@bl00by_

3 жыл бұрын

Gumblar handloop and many ftks like pend ftk or the tempest magician ftk to name some.

I think a big thing is that players want banlists for the “health” of the game, rather than the actual strength or power of the game. Yes it’s true that scraps could compete a while ago by making vfd through hand traps, but people don’t want their favorite deck to devolve to simply making 1 big card. When there are multiple different options for different archetypes, rather than simply 1/2 best cards that win the game, people seem more happy. Another issue I do genuinely believe is turn length and turn count. It is not just a scrub belief of sentiment to not like to get combod on for 10 minutes and then simply lose. Most people don’t enjoy that. This is an aspect of the game that occurs and isn’t inherently bad, it does make a player base less okay with the power level of the deck because they simply lose after doing nothing for ten minutes (and this is coming from a combo player) If the game felt a bit more back and forth then people would probably be less hasty to just jump onto the combo hate train, even if combo decks had the exact same win rate

TNX 4 DIS! I love these kind of editorial videos because allow the viewer to have their own ideas. Seeing this one I just had the tought that: Imagine the powercreep, as unavoidable as it is, without a banlist? The new cards would have to be always bigger, crazier, new mechanics would be added more constantly... What would be the shelf life of YuGiOh without one? THANKS AGAIN FOR THIS VIDEOS, congrats from México.

All I really want is Astrograph back to at least 1. Not 3, I know how good it is, but I think 1 would be fine.

@josepharmstrong6852

3 жыл бұрын

well no I wish pendulum was just forgoten about and no cards released either new or old ban list cards

@number-qx1kw

3 жыл бұрын

Dude if you keep electrumite banned ,astro can go to 5 and no pendulum will see any play

The thought-process-patchnote-idea is cool, i would really like it. Also i want to add to your points, that for many players (and formats as u mentioned in form of the eternal format) the new sets cant refresh the game enough. So the banlist can make the game fresh for the players and hype them a lot, but hitting "problematic" cards isnt the only way to do that. Bringing back f.e. blaster and/or denglong would hype me a lot, cause then i would try out new decks/combos etc.. And there are a lot of cards they could try out at 1 that are banned/try out at 2 that are limited.

This is a great video and topic to talk about. My friend and I have to implement something uncut just like this on our profile.

At the end of the day I’ll take a ban list over a set rotation any day!

@WavemasterAshi

3 жыл бұрын

Don't worry...you'll just have de facto set rotation as stuff gets power crept, and if something that's old SHOULD become good, they'll just ban that.

@PAGameRoom

3 жыл бұрын

What set rotation? Yugioh doesn't have eternal formats like pkmn/mtg. Your 100 dollar chase cards will be printed into the ground after being artificially made scarce with only 1 highest rarity printing. Your 1000 ygo deck will be worth next to nothing if you aren't keeping up with the game all the time to know when to sell. Power creep is crazy in ygo.

@madbart214yomother7

3 жыл бұрын

@@PAGameRoom this guy gets it. I agree with this statement fully. 1000 deck to a 100 deck.

@avee1210

3 жыл бұрын

I respectfully disagree

@happygenerously6008

3 жыл бұрын

I kinda agree I play Pkmn and YGO and set rotation are pretty good cause we have standard and expanded but with YGO one card gets banned it messes up your whole deck and you have to move to another deck. When it comes to Pkmn you have a WHOLE 9-10 months to use the same deck to top events and etc.

It's not about Banlists, it's about rules. As you mentioned, people want a longer, more strategic as well as (most importantly) interactive, back and forth duels... Banlist can't do that, but rule changes can (despite it would cause many growing pains).

I get very annoyed when I finally get good cards like Nadir Servant and people start saying “Ewww this card is too powerful and is going to get hit so you should sell it and shouldn’t have gotten the card in the first place.”

@Liathrys

3 жыл бұрын

People will always complain relative to their biases.

the pokemon tgc gives reasons when that card is banned in exspanded or standart

Tiger is at 3 in the ocg 😤

Is there any kind of consistency on what determines if a card goes to 2/1/banned? Is it pretty much what konami seems to "feel" they should be or is there some kind of logical thorough-line, like strong search cards always being at 1?

Subbed to you bro love your videos keep up the good work ❤

banlists are indeed complicated

Where did you buy that pot of greed in the background?

Yeah another issue is, I’ve played lots of rouge decks where a main card of my deck gets hit because a meta strategy is abusing it, like speedroid terrortop and Lunalight tiger. But what can you do 🤷‍♂️

@aldrinflores4531

3 жыл бұрын

For Terrortop they needed to limit it to only summon Wind attribute monsters for the rest of the turn

@Zetact_

3 жыл бұрын

Or [Tuner].

@colecraddock1187

3 жыл бұрын

rogue* Edit: totally agree with ya tho

@xan1242

3 жыл бұрын

Benten.

@PsychoKern

3 жыл бұрын

@@xan1242 Yeah, dirty Drytrons......While pure Cyber Angel players can't do anything about it :(

Kagemusha of The Blue Flame needs to be banned!

I honestly think that we should get a separated ban list, call it a staple/generic card ban list, where they use the system like in Duel Links (If a card is at 1 you can only use one card from the limited list, if the card is at 2 you can only use two cards from the semi-limited list). For example if you put every piece of the Dragoon engine at 1 on this list you can’t use REF or Verte to generically make Dragoon. Certain handtraps could go on this list to avoid that people use every powerful hand trap in the same deck. Of course for most cards we should just use the current ban list, but this could be a solution to balance the game better.

@shakeweller

3 жыл бұрын

Neither Dragoon nor Handtraps are even close to be considered ban worthy.

As a vanguard player I really appreciate how vanguard has it's ban lists, they go in with the motto of trying to hit as few cards as possible, so you don't see them banning decks just so that they can sell you whatever new set is coming out (they do it with power creep). Another thing I super appreciate is the that vanguard has choice restricts in it's ban lists, a choice restrict is where if two cards are choice restricted you can play one or the other in a deck but you can't play them both at the same time, this lets you still play cards that aren't inherently broken on their own and gets rid of the degen combos (of course degen cards still get banned, but it's nice that you don't have to completely kill a card if it's not inherently broken)

Really stupid question, When there's a new banlist does the previous one still have affect? like if a hero card ban before but the new one doesn't state that, does it count?

@MrJuan_Vzla

2 жыл бұрын

No.

These videos r the best types. Im trash and the explanatory nature of them helps alot

there are so many cards that sit on the banlist that have absolutely no logical reason to be on there. most of them are pendulum cards.

@garrettzaremba2248

3 жыл бұрын

Servant of Endymion

The nice thing about yugioh is someone finds new tech since we have thousands of cards to choose from. But then if more people find out and use the new tech, the card gets hit. Examples: Cyber Angel Benten, Smoke Grenade of the Thief, etc. I wouldn’t be surprised if Barrier Statue of the Stormwinds gets banned.

@xan1242

3 жыл бұрын

Problem clearly isn't "tech", it is simply the fact that the abuse is instigated in the first place. But of course, game design and money are two different things.

@warriorofgod2700

3 жыл бұрын

The barrier statues arent really the issue. In the case of stormwinds, its the simorgh link, but with cards like ash (if you know the big windy bird is coming and hung on to the ash), nib on the link summon, DRNM, etc, there are plenty of main/commonly sided answers to that. But i do get what you're saying.

@davidciszewski7497

3 жыл бұрын

@@warriorofgod2700 you could use statuses or dyna with mirror moon shield than use mirror force cards, Solomon cards and dark bribe. I use a deck like this on Legecy of the duelist Link Evolution or at my college and people forfeit or rage quit because they can't special summon specially if two different statues are on the field to lock out the extra deck or special summons from hand or deck. I think stormhold and torrent should get hit. Most people don't use wind or water monsters.

13:30. If konami wants slow down the meta game or make games be more back and forth, they should either make more cards that can blow out "unbreakable boards" or make back row decks more spammable and recursive in the way combo decks are.

We need a combo ban list. A banlist that doesn´t prohibits the use of cards in their entirety. A banlist that just prohibits playing certain combinations of two or more cards in the same deck. For example Needlefiver + Glowup bulb.

@Mark-bc1ej

3 жыл бұрын

Similar to Duel Links. Would be interesting but the problem is the TCG card pool is way bigger and unrestricted in comparison with that of DL

@sammydray5919

3 жыл бұрын

Too many combos and interactions. If a direct combo gets banned then something similar will pop up soon enough. The card pool being so vast makes it very hard to hit certain interactions without actually hitting the cards themselves

@truekingofallgeneraiders

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah ok but imagine for example banning the use of Winda + Eclessia. The pure shaddoll deck will still be alive and we would have fixed one of the most problematic decks of the current format.

@Mark-bc1ej

3 жыл бұрын

@@truekingofallgeneraiders yhe thing is if they did this for 100+ cards it would make the game and banlist really hard to follow, so that doesn't work

@truekingofallgeneraiders

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mark-bc1ej No, no. Let me explain my point. With this i don't want normal banlist to disappear i just want this "banned combos" to be included in the normal banlist. There are soma cards that are in the banlist bcause how stupid they are by itself.

It's tricky because it can be difficult to tell which cards are OP and inherently a problem, versus ones that only appear broken because they work very well against current strategies and then once those change, suddenly those cards are not an issue and I do think for something to be banned, it should be because it actually breaks the game and forces the meta to form around it versus cards that are overpowered because the current meta does not counter it, because sometimes those cards are the reason the meta shifts and new decks and cards find relevance. No one wants the same meta decks to just work best forever.

My gripe is things that overstayed their welcome (like Invoked) or too many generic cards that'll eventually stack a bigger issue into the game because they're just that versatile for a lot of decks and may either ruin an archetype or show what a deck in itself can really do (like Calamities in Virtual World). I get that problems will always be a factor into the game, that I can accept, but it does go along with how things can become rather stale since I think another issue is the sets that aren't being a real hit like BLVO and LIOV, so I do have to say this too is on Konami's poor establishments.

I think performapal monkeyboard should come back to 1 at least

@spritesandco

3 жыл бұрын

Definetly, didn't do anything wrong

@Jofee

3 жыл бұрын

Yea bro for real

@bl00by_

3 жыл бұрын

Nah bro electrum should vome back.

@Jofee

3 жыл бұрын

@@bl00by_ both.. lmao

@EpicGamers007

3 жыл бұрын

Monkey board can come back to 3 and Pendulums will still suck. Joker to 3 as well.

I personally think the most fun part about a banlist is seeing what comes off of it.

I would like to see a trial of a duel links style banlist. In the you can have up to 2 out of all the semi limited rather than 2 of each. It would cut the list massively in terms of actual bans.

I really want to know Konami's process in deciding what gets banned/unbanned

Everyone should agree that miragstallio doesn't belong in the ban list, it locks you into only using fires and only lets you summon 1 archetype specific card from the deck. I can understand limiting it, but it by no means belongs in the ban list and no one can disagree with that.

I know people tend not to like pendulums but odd-eyes is my favorite pendulum archetype. And believe me I get why they have to be nerfed to a degree but I miss playing cards like Astrograph, Skullcrobat joker, Supreme king starving venom (just for a generic beater I don’t do that weird nightingale combo), having electrumite as a link option. I feel like these cards can come back bc of pendulums being restricted by links. Sure I can use these are among friends who are cool with it and know that I won’t do a degenerate strat but I miss playing these normally at like a cardshop without someone saying like “hey this is banned”.

could i ask, which anime series do you guys think are probably closest to resembling real world gameplay and not you know... summon time wizard and attack for game..?

@MrJuan_Vzla

2 жыл бұрын

YGO Vrains.

Maybe another discussion topic is whether yugioh could implement a sealed/draft element into new sets? That’s how I feel magic has managed to last so long

yo that yugi and judai poster is sick

You reminded me I need to rewatch Breaking Bad. Great vid as always 😄

I have an idea that won't happen simply because it would require more effort on the part of Konami. I would recommend a fourth category on the banlist called the "special cases" list. Cards on this list can be played but only in specific/dedicated decks and strategies. For example, you could bring back Heavymetalfoes Electrumite but restrict it to only metalfoes only decks devoid of any outside archetype cards. You could bring back Knightmare Mermaid and Knightmare Goblin but restrict them to only the world legacy family of archetypes. You could bring back Fairy Tail Snow but restrict it to fairy tail, charmer and/or spellcaster only decks. I think a move like that would be worth a try but I don't think Konami would do it.

You asked what I would like to see, I will answer Banned: Striker Dragon: Striker Dragon, and by extension Boot Sector Launch allows the deck insane amounts of recursion. Tri-Brugade Revolt: Yet another version of "Return from the Different Dimension" combined with "Soul Charge" in Spell Speed 2 form. Searchable off of Bearbrumm due to Lightning Overdrive. Cyber Angel Benten: Not once per turn. Allows Drytron insane amounts of consistency even at 1 copy. Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon: Yes, I'm saying it. With a payoff this good, this card can create a design philosophy issue anytime new generic fusion support gets introduced into the game. Limited: Tri-Brigade Fraktall: This is the best main deck Tri-Brigade card. This is the card that sets the entire engine into motion, and like Misc, gets searched by about 2/3s of the deck. Guardragon Elpy: This card was not the problem everyone thought it was. Hieratic Seal of Heavenly Spheres: This card is an Elpy that has built in disruption Phantom Knights of Torn Scales: This card allows Phantom Knights a lot of extension they wouldn't normally have. Bring this one down to 1 to lower the power ceiling of the deck some. Eva: Eva is a good card made problematic by Drytrons dropping Herald of Perfection/Ultimateness and allowing this card to overstack the hand to become a game of "better have it." (referring to Dark Ruler No More and/or Forbidden Droplet) Lunalight Tiger: This is more of a personal choice than one that I can give a solid opinion for. Don't give this one a very serious look at. Sky Striker Ace - Kagari: Since Sky Striker Mobilize - Engage! is legal, this card should not be unlimited. Semi-Limited: No changes, move along. Unlimited: Yata-Garasu: Card will not do anything. Double Iris Magician: Card will not do anything at 3 that it can't at 2.

I don’t appreciate when ban lists are updated so we are forced to use the newer cards. Mind Control, Pankratops, etc getting hit so we use the new going second cards

@masterduelzero1795

3 жыл бұрын

Called by the Grave :(

@WavemasterAshi

3 жыл бұрын

But then how would they push new product without set rotation? Sure, going from power creep to power VROOOOM, but then you're still forced to do the newer stuff because VROOOM

@ProBAgar

3 жыл бұрын

I mean Mind Control and Pankratops were more than strong enough to warrant going to 1 anyway, but yeah that can be annoying

@madbart214yomother7

3 жыл бұрын

@@ProBAgar agreed.

@slipperysalamander7717

3 жыл бұрын

*cough* Dinos, and Invoked *cough*

I just want jet synchron and O-lion back to 1, even with scrap raptor coming those cards are pretty hard to replace.

@lucarioknightb7685

3 жыл бұрын

Just ban Halq so we can actually play synchros again please. T-T

The banlist is simply there to limit cards/decks that are TOO consistent. It’s all about allowing variety and balance. Most players truly can’t make those calls. Me included. ALOT of good points were made in this video. The fact that the banlist doesn’t make you a better player. How people are needlessly adamant about a banlist releasing out of habit, even though the game state is fine. Cards shouldn’t be hit because they’re used frequently or they disrupt your personal strategy. How old cards sometimes need to be hit so that new cards and strategies can thrive. Great video!

I think that Konami does take player opinions on ban lists. But not in the sense of asking but going based off what people are playing. There are some very strange cards that have ended up on the ban list because of player innovation.

Trash players will always complain in every format. No matter how healthy or unhealthy a format is. It’s a never-ending cycle. If a deck like ABC becomes the best deck of the format, people will complain about Union Hangar or Dragon Buster being too much at 3 lmao

@bloodarcher7841

3 жыл бұрын

True.. but still. Union carrier should have only been able to help unions! Not any two monsters for lock strategies.

I think it would be a good idea for Konami to start using something called "Choice Restrictions" like Cardfight Vanguard does. Basically, what a choice restriction is is when two or more cards get put a type of restriction like limited, semi-limited and banned. If two or more cards become choice restricted, you are allowed to (usually) have 1-3 copies of 1 of the choice restricted cards, but you are not able to play the other card in the same deck and vice versa. Let's say for example, Verte Anaconda and Dragoon become choice restricted. In which case, you are able to have Verte, but not Dragoon in the same deck and vice versa. I say this in order to highlight, in my opinion, one of the problems of the yugioh banlist. Let's go back to that Verte anaconda and Dragoon example. A ton of meta decks are able to make verte, and therefore, make dragoon with ease, so most people would think that the best move for konami to make to address this problem is to just ban either Dragoon or Verte. But what about decks that use anaconda, but not Dragoon(Most of the time). Good examples of these are Heroes, Cyber Dragon, Fluffals, ect. Mostly rouge decks. If Konami bans, let's say, Verte, then meta decks won't be able to play dragoon anymore, but by banning anaconda, rogue decks that did nothing wrong become significantly worse. There are so many cards and archetypes in the game right now, that if Konami bans even one of the most niche cards that a meta deck uses, somewhere, someone who plays rogue is balling they're eyes out because they've just lost they're one good extender. If Konami choice restricts Verte and Dragoon, Only decks that heavily rely on Verte to make Dragoon will be hit, but the rogue decks that weren't using Dragoon at all still get to keep they're good card making less people depressed about the banlist. I think this would be a nice change

Today, I learned about Walt Whitman. Didn't see that coming.

1:03 gee, I wonder who that's referring to.. Sam

Something I don't get about the Ban list is: If a card can be fixed with a hard once per turn errata, then why not ban it for a format or two, do the errata the take it off the ban list?

@bloodarcher7841

3 жыл бұрын

Konami is lazy and uses us as test rats.

@warriorofgod2700

3 жыл бұрын

Or better yet. Figure that stuff out in R&D before they release it. Honestly, i think konami should bring in maybe the top 25 duelists as testers for certain cards and give them a couple of weeks to test things, come up with player brain stuff, then work it out until its balanced or "fair". If a catd gets released and the masses figure out a way to break a card or cards that the pros missed, more power to the card

That Walt Whitman quote went hard tho 💯

Perhaps during the "balanced" times when we don't "need" a banlist Konami can experiment by releasing something from the list. See how it does in modern times. There are some cards that have been on the list for a decade or more that could maybe come back without hurting too much. And if it does. Put it back like they did with Smatch Steal

I think Konami needs to do more in looking at cards that can come off. Like if the metagame is in a good place and people want a regular banlist maybe instead of feeling obligated to hit one of the best decks to instead just bring back a few cards that would probably be low impact but drum up some "hype" on their own. Why not see if the format is equiped to handle master piece. Bring back cyber jar cause maybe it's too slow to really be good but maybe an empty jar player can make some funny rogue plays. Put mali to 3 cause dark warrior and hero aren't really doing much anyways and hero might do something cool that gets players interested

I honestly think out of all the banned monsters on the ban list the one that should come off is Joker. I've actually had this discussion multiple times and i can't find one that doesn't deserve to be on there as much as it. He might search 3 archetypes but he only searches on normal summon. Stratos searches 4 archetypes on normal or special summon. I personally managed to get 4 searches with him in one turn. Lets not forget if they made a main deck monster for each extra deck HERO type Stratos would then be able to search 8 Archetypes. 7 if you don't want to count the win con effect Pit Boss guy. He also lets you destroy spells and traps equal to the number of HEROs you control except him. Compared to that i always wonder: how did Stratos get unbanned before Joker? The only reasons i could come up with is Konami hates Pendulums (like Paul said in a previous video) and know they'll make more money with Stratos.

I don't appreciate how everyone views combo, there are fair combo decks, but the fixes to the broken combo decks always hurts the fair ones too, and hurting fair combo decks make the format less diverse, and I don't mean by deck name, but in regards to Control, Mid-Range, and Combo, all 3 forms should exist every format in at least 2 decks for each category. This gives players a bigger spectrum of deck options to play, so the best way to keep it like that is to hit combo in such a way that doesn't always make the op combo decks still good while the fair ones weaker and I feel Called by the Grave to 1 Actually helped with that (and also Linkross getting Banned). With called by at 1, all combo is checked and you need to have the extenders to push past those disruptions, also with the advent of more powerful go-2nd cards, then the op combo decks have less chance of being op, and even though Dragon Link is everywhere and can extend past disruptions and not die to go-2nd cards, it is still a relatively fair combo deck now after all the older op cards/combos have been hit/banned.

with my stratos out, I'm happy

I feel the banlist has too much clutter on it. There are definitely cards that spend way too long on there. (Bestiari, and Tribe come to mind)

I personally want two minor changes to the banlist 1. After they have decided on a release date (and after they have passed the “no sooner than” date) to give 1 week of forewarning that a banlist will drop in a week’s time. If you are uncertain of purchasing or selling cards for the current meta you can make changes accordingly instead of going out to buy cards to find they’re banned the next day. 2. To treat the banlist like most games treat patch notes. Say what is getting hit, then give us an explanation as to why your balance team believed it to be necessary, so people can understand the list more thoroughly instead of “Here you go hope your deck still functions.” Little notes like “To curtail some power from X deck, we’re limiting their consistency on their extenders” or “This card has become over represented (give a number of what % of top decks played it) and is affecting the game in a negative way, so we are removing it from the competitive format until further notice.”

The best way to do a band last is to rotate cards that have similar effects to each other. Let's say you want to bring back pot of greed. You ban every card that allows you to draw two cards and you allow pot of grief to come back. But then let's say you want to bring back the other draw cards well you ban Potter grieve to bring back the other pot cards you rotate through cards that have similar effects. Or you could put cards into Pacific errors. We're going to unban everything from the DM era all those cards can come back off to one. And so on and so forth for the other eras of Yu-Gi-Oh

My biggest concern is that Konami is going against their own justification of making the banlist in the first place. Cards that are too strong to a point where they are in almost every deck or are harmful to the game. There have been soooo many examples of using the banlist to sell new cards, for examples to sell Kosmos or the big TOSS Kill list. I really really hate that. Also they bring back broken cards to sell new sets. They brought Rusty back to push the new PK support, Card Destruction with Dangers etc. i don't nessessarily have anything against those cards coming back, I simply hate the principle behind it. If Rusty is balanced enough to come back, bring it back NOW. If card destruction is balanced, bring it back NOW. That's how it's supposed to be. There are literally cards on the banlist that I'm 100% convinced will come off once certain decks get support and it makes me so sad because they could come off right NOW. Another point I have is that Konami sometimes doesn't even know their own meta. They hit a rogue deck (Drytron) extremely hard for no reason while not even touching a 1.5+ year old tier 1 deck (Dlink). They refuse to look at DB Rated which has the best players in the world on it and reliable data that don't get blurred by players who can't afford cards irl, and refuse to use it. It's so free data and they just pretend it doesn't exist. Real life data is never a reliable tool since many players especially in 3rd world countries make a weaker deck more popular because of card prices and literally blur the balance. Dragoon is a prime example. Dragoon.... SUCKS. It's a rogue deck boss monster. Why do so many players in locals complain about it? Well the best outs are 120 and 100 Euros. GG. Ban Dragoon!!!! 111 (not....) They really need to care more about the games integrity and the conservation of the balance. Edit: how could I forget... They are willing to ban 4-5 cards that are in some cases mediocre just so a new card can exist. Hail all mighty needlefiber. I just don't get it. Or the lyralisc fusion...

I think konamy could make a survey with all the cards in the game and players can create thair own banlist. Then konamy will just see the result of the survey that will show the most card people want to ban or unban, but they eill not be forced to do what people want, they could just take inspiration like: "we as konamy want to ban this card to make money, but we also see that people want to ban/unban this other card, that does not influence the other card we want to hit so we could also do as the community suggest"

10:59 this point. Very important

Kevin tewart already did banlist explanations in the past & our community eviscerated him & those articles. They probably won't do it again, lol

I'm glad Konami doesn't listen to the players. Konami knows what (overpowering) new cards are coming out so they are the ones with the best insight on how to keep the game interesting and "moving". Banlist isn't necessarily a way to make the game "fair" because Yugioh was never meant to be a fair game. (People who want fairness should go and play chess) I think the current banlist is fine, we have so much variety in decks that do well both in meta and casually, even with having Zeus and Dragoon! (and we know they will get limited to 1 at some point)

Bring Colossus to 1 please. And also give Evil Eye a link 1 please 🙏🏾

New Master Rule example you can only special summon 3 times max in a turn. and just ban all cards that are non targetable/immune to everything and stop making those kinds of cards.

Man I just want Electrumite back to one so I can play my pendulum magicians.

oh man, the thumbnail made me think that paul got his deck stolen again.

just can they stop making good op stoppers or helpers such lottery cards? and secondary market charge out the wazoo

I just want cards in the tcg that the ocg has had for like a 6 months to a year or maybe longer.

Is competitive yugioh more expensive in the tcg or in the ocg?

@goldensunadept5091

3 жыл бұрын

TCG by a country mile. Meta cards are usually printed in 2-3 rarities of the same booster set. You'll have a Starlight, Secret, Ultra, and Super Lightning Storm in the same 1 OCG Booster Box vs how the TCG only makes the 1 Starlight and 1 Secret

@february7438

3 жыл бұрын

@@goldensunadept5091 Figured. Plus there are the lackluster structure deck reprints in the tcg and so on.

Player Input comes in the form of what they play and what wins

@warriorofgod2700

3 жыл бұрын

Not 100% of the time. There are plenty of dragon link players (myself included) that say elpy needs the ban hammer. I personally think elpy can stay, but ban striker dragon, limit quick launch and rokket tracer. Current d-link deck would be 95% dead in the water imo

For old school yu-gi-oh ban list shouldn’t even exist but for whatever is now... with 10-20 monsters summoned and win in 2-3 turns ... it’s a must. It should be separated yugioh old school tournaments with the original cards and this new yugioh with synchro, pendulum, xyz and link a different tournament

I’ve never followed the ban list in my entire life. If I wanna run Pot of Greed I’m gonna

@PsychoKern

3 жыл бұрын

My man....Too bad tryhards at locals and any other strictly follow it...I mean yeah, "rules are rules" but they ain't fun.....So only for casual play sadly

@sushipbestdeck8995

3 жыл бұрын

@@PsychoKern "tryhards" more like i dont wanna be ftked by little Johnnies exodia deep draw deck with pot of greed, gracefull ect.

@avee1210

3 жыл бұрын

@@PsychoKern tryhards?

@josepharmstrong6852

3 жыл бұрын

ok but why that sad

@yato7030

3 жыл бұрын

@@PsychoKern You shouldn't call people "tryhards" that want to play the game by the official rules in a official konami tournament

I really wish pankratops goes back to 3 its really not that bad of a card to get hit to 1. Especially that yosenjus aren't hit and there just as bad as him if not worse since there a constant boomerang.

Player input is not the key thing they should or even need to take into account 2:03 . Results has always been what has gotten hit if something is winning all the time for example 12 out of top 16 is the same deck then that deck will and should get hit.Honestly look at some of the result for competitive meta game currently it's the most diverse it's been in ages. dragons and alister need hit but honestly not by much. Also they need to sell the next sets and this is a way of controlling the power creep of the game.

@warriorofgod2700

3 жыл бұрын

The problem with the invoked engine is you can literally splash it into any deck and it would be semi-viable (probably exaggerating a bit, but you get the picture).

black luster solider and chaos emperor dragon banned since ever. Now they are not even a threat.

Unban Orcust Harp horror and Union Carrier (and reban the buster whelp). Or at the very least make a union carrier that does what it was meant to do for union monsters, and not for every card in the game ?

Bought a blazing vortex and only got 1 armed dragon and one support :/ off topic but I needed to share lol

@djbaconbitzinc

3 жыл бұрын

i only got 2 armed dragon cards, lv3 and lv10 white

@bl00by_

3 жыл бұрын

I dont want to be the cimoooooo but: Buy the singles!

@warriorofgod2700

3 жыл бұрын

Unlucky. I pulled pretty much the deck outside of flash.

@ruhidmohamad

3 жыл бұрын

Still waiting on pile armed dragon to play the deck at its best lol