"You might send in a good letter, or you might send in this letter" wow that hits VERY different on the second watch lol

@Trynt33

10 ай бұрын

It becomes like NG+, knowing the horrors that lie ahead just make it even better

The letter shouldn't have a TL;DR, it should BE the TL;DR

@Horatio787

10 ай бұрын

TL:DRs should go at the BEGINNING of your fucking text. It's like the thumbnail for your essay. That's what a thesis statement is for fuck's sake.

@yanipheonu

10 ай бұрын

I mean it should at least be the R.

Theres 2 ways of handling a situation like this. 1. You stop responding to any Email that goes over a desired length 2. What Pat did. Frankly, im all for option 2, bonus that Woolie still gets to be fun Dad while completely agreeing.

Pat gettin mad at the question then sayin decent question was so fuckin funny

The internal rage of being a new father that must be held in is starting to come out on the podcast and I'm here for it.

@slappybigalow8971

10 ай бұрын

Tee hee wait 'til the kid's a toddler and pat starts finding things like a shoe full of ketchup or cheese slices in between the mattresses.

@Nukle0n

10 ай бұрын

Angriest Pat is back!

@Shadest

10 ай бұрын

@@slappybigalow8971 implying Paige doesn't already do those things

@thewraithwriter22

10 ай бұрын

@@Shadest yeah, but Paige is hot

That Time I Disrespected My Opponent's Oki and Got Reincarnated in the Losers' Bracket

I definitely wrote in this kind of letter a decade ago when i was younger and i thank God every day Woolie never read it

After all the 'least schizo letter-writer' bits, this was really cathartic and Pat speaks for all of us.

@iller3

10 ай бұрын

I dunno, by the time time I get to this section of the podcast, it's almost my bedtime and those meandering autistic tangents help me start nodding off

@AspiringDevil

10 ай бұрын

Yeah but it was too long. He really should have kept his response under 1 minute he's on a podcast after all ;)

@Trynt33

10 ай бұрын

@@iller3 Sometimes they get some gold, I still think about the guy who named his son Dante and lied to his wife about it being a Biblical name only to get stopped when he tried to name the second son Vergil. Pat and Woolie's reaction was priceless. Or the guy who asked about hustle stories

@miguelnewmexico8641

10 ай бұрын

isn't schizo a no-no word? like gypsy. or midget.

@paulsimonblahblah

10 ай бұрын

​@@Trynt33is there a clip somewhere of that dante story?

I've gotten 3 or 4 letters on the podcast. Mostly cause I remember early on, in the SBFC days, Woolie specifically asked for letters to have a tl;dr at the top. So if you guys wanna get on the podcast, just do that, please!

@Secret_Takodachi

10 ай бұрын

or just delete everything below the TLDR! Even better!

Congratulation, Pat! You just got a sample taste of what Art Commissioners go through with the verbose, flowery descriptions of a simple scene !

@JoseRS1186

10 ай бұрын

"I don't NEED to know of the painful conflict in your character's heart being the last surviving member of her species and the true everlastintlg monarch of the Wild Soul Triumvirate. How big are her boobs, how big is her butt? How many inches? DONEZO. PAYPAL. Good Day."

@Horatio787

10 ай бұрын

No, it's the opposite that's much worse. When you have to drag out what they want and they keep giving you one sentence responses.

@HoChiMints2007

10 ай бұрын

Or Joss Whedon scripts

@JoseRS1186

10 ай бұрын

@@Horatio787 oh those really are the worst. Using email like it's discord messages.

@PredictableEnigma

10 ай бұрын

For sure. I'd rather have too much info than too little when it comes to doing work for someone.@@Horatio787

Pat turns into One Punch Man. "TWELVE WORDS OR LESS!"

@neloverg3774

10 ай бұрын

no 200 word essays bitch

@m.czandogg9576

10 ай бұрын

Fewer* Edit: Or is it "less"?

@LooterPenguin

10 ай бұрын

Flesswer

I'm gonna send in a letter that starts off as a verbose question, turns into lorem ipsum in the middle, and ends with an online recipe complete with ten paragraph life story.

Pat is definitely right here cuz legit the dude didn't need to go on like a 5 paragraph essay spiel about their Etrian Odyssey stream, they just needed a tiny bit of context and then to ask "hey have any rereleases fucked with the story in a shit way"

@Terithian

10 ай бұрын

Yeah. As an EO fan myself, all the context necessary was that in the original, the game forces you to genocide an intelligent species to advance, and makes it clear that you are awful for doing this, while in the remake's story mode they try to excuse the main characters by saying the species has some kind of incurable disease that makes them lose their minds, so you have no choice but to kill them for their own good. You don't need to put the game's whole story in your email.

@Tuchpi

10 ай бұрын

​@@Terithiannice letter blog :^)

15:33 Pat, under the stress of his dog growing stronger, his new son learning how to dreamwalk, and the assault of really long emails, finally snaps. The "AngriestPat" persona bubbles to the surface, long dormant. In response to the actual question, Doom Eternal's DLC's ruin the story SO HARD it basically retcons the whole story to be worse, and makes me not want to play future games anymore.

@ravensflockmate

10 ай бұрын

nah you're wrong

@leithaziz2716

10 ай бұрын

I actually feel neutral towards the DLC and kinda respect that they went "Balls-to-the-wall" with the premise. There are also no current Doom games being worked on or planned at the moment, so I don't think you should care about its future.

@gorimbaud

10 ай бұрын

oh that reminds me of ffxv's episode ardyn

@UnlimitedBick

10 ай бұрын

@@gorimbaud not a fair comparison, tabata left the company after they cancelled his attempts to manage a project he had to pick up after square shuffled nomura into full kingdom hearts mode

@gorimbaud

10 ай бұрын

​@@UnlimitedBick but learning his backstory in a dlc still turned ardyn from maybe one of the most interesting villains in the franchise into something really boring though. the full suite of season 2 dlc may have redeemed it somewhat, since they had a whole alternate story planned to kick off from it before that all fell apart, but man.

Woolie's smile during Pat's rant was amazing.

Well the thing to remember is that by return of the Jedi Jabba is like a creepy old man who spent like fifty years sitting around eating and smoking, so of course he can barely feed himself, but other Hutts are probably more active. Plus there's a scene in one of the tie in books where Jabba's dad shows up and him and his gang are having a blaster fight with some empire soldiers, and Jabba's dad (who just looks like Jabba with a beard and Dreadlocks, his name is Zorba the Hutt look him up) just sits there and tanks blaster fire because his hide is so thick that he no sells it. So Hutts are tougher than they look.

@psykomancer4420

10 ай бұрын

I just assumed the Hutts control on crime was from generational political power, but this shlocky explanation is way funnier.

@Kaarl_Mills

10 ай бұрын

​@@psykomancer4420 It's both. But the fun part, is how the dynastic power structures got started in the first place: long long ago, when the hyperdrive was brand new, Hutts were a warrior society, conquering numerous star systems and subjugating entire species. At one point there was a civil war, obliterating Hutt society to near apocalyptic levels, and rendering their homeworld completely uninhabitable. This led to Boonta the Hutt and their revolutionary reforms, transforming their culture into the criminal syndicates we know now. The idea being that Hutts are naturally extremely competitive with each other and need the outlet, but can't ever be allowed to reach that boiling again. So now, being so obese that you could barely lift your hand to your mouth was seen as being cultured and refined. But despite the shift in thought, any Hutt that chose to hit the gym and stick with it, would be absolutely terrifying and shockingly fast

@WTFisTingispingis

10 ай бұрын

Try centuries, Hutts live for a long time.

Pat and Woolie complaining about someone taking too long to get to the point it hilarious.

Tbf, if anyone was gonna write an email where they waffle on about about a topic for way too long in what feels like a one-sided conversation they're having with themselves before throwing a relatively simple question out into the air it would be a streamer.

It took them this long to finally explain what they meant by a "good" letter. Short. They meant short and to the point.

@AnnCatsanndra

10 ай бұрын

That's definitely a part of it, but it's entirely possible to be short and terrible. Like, an email that's just "'Tell me why all videogames suck" isn't a good one.

@ZomifiedHam

10 ай бұрын

Concise

@Trynt33

10 ай бұрын

@@AnnCatsanndra Balance is important. More letters should work towards elegance in getting their point across rather than the dump truck of this email

@neighandwhinnymchorse2100

10 ай бұрын

​​@@AnnCatsanndraI WOULD like to see Woolie and Pat tell me why all videogames suck, though

He may have gone a little too aggressive with it but we've ALL been thinking it

@Trynt33

10 ай бұрын

If anything he's underselling the deserved aggression, imagine HOW MANY emails they've had to sift through before this one is the breaking point. And they've been doing this for yeeears

@sialiasialis.

10 ай бұрын

Yeah dude imagine innocuously opening up emails for questions and you get hit with some guy's diary entry for the day in screenplay format with some tangentially related question at the end to answer.

16:57 Ok, Woolie, I'm thinking of Luca Blight holding a baby.

Best moment of last week

@krodmandoon3479

10 ай бұрын

*year

@Trynt33

10 ай бұрын

It's so cathartic after all the genuinely trash emails

send longer letters. got it

"THE TANG OF RAW"

Personally, I think letters should at least be 10 pages or more.

"I feel like: The longer your title is, the less faith you have in the story's own core appeal" Pat might be on to something with this statement. There's also something interesting about how the Isekai publishing via mob rule racket operates, however poorly it might run. I feel like getting your story published as an author, would be more about who you know. Mainly because book publishing and book sales in the US are nothing more than a money laundering racket. Edit - 50 word limit, Woolie. Brevity is the soul of wit. Simple as. Edit 2 - HOW IS PAT THE LEAST INSANE ONE WHEN IT COMES TO HOT DOG CONDIMENTS?!?!?!

@miguelnewmexico8641

10 ай бұрын

that might be the case, but 99% of the time anyone who says money laundering, doesn't even know what it is.

@UnlimitedBick

10 ай бұрын

mustard wife is probably a nice mitigation effect or maybe because he has normal condiment habits, paige is the universal counterbalance it'll be interesting when i hear the context i wonder if pat jr will claim his throne of mustard

@FaelumbreProject

9 ай бұрын

The worst part on isekai titles is that it's a cycle. Only long titles get picked up, only long titles are there for reference for new writers, everyone only tries long titles because they're afraid of losing engagement. I saw this SO MUCH with webcomics and paneling trends. Do 60 episodes or get out. Get the most bombastic initial episode or readers won't subscribe. Do gigantic white spaces or you'll lose readers' attention. Get surprised when an artist fucking dies of overwork or quits due to burnout. I'm so glad page comics stayed alive because a lot of artists just didn't care for that and kept going with their amazing works

This felt so good. It felt like the past year or so especially had so many emails that would weave an entire fucking tapestry just to ask a simple question and I'd have to get secondhand embarrassment while Woolie tried his best to just get to the point. The cringe I felt anytime it happened while they had a guest too, christ. Thanks Pat.

@thewraithwriter22

10 ай бұрын

Woolie and taking the longest route possible to the point, name a more iconic duo

@Horatio787

10 ай бұрын

To be fair, just scroll down and see how long it is.

@UltimaKeyMaster

10 ай бұрын

What happens is people start to get more and more unhinged with using the letter reading as a platform to tell their life story instead of giving simple context to their question. And I can't really blame how it gets that way. I'll give a personal example, from being at Woolie's panel at TooManyGames. Basically *everyone* who asked a question, me included, gave some personal context to their question, because we've all figured out Woolie and his various co-hosts love how everyone has their own individual experience with the thing they're asking instead of inevitably asking the exact same question 500 times that the asker hasn't caught up on. Eventually you're GOING to get people that don't check themselves on the word count when they do this, because they get so caught up in "having their moment" with getting it put out there for the world to hear. And back to the personal example, I had literally only thought of the Soul Calibur-adjacent question since Woolie announced the line-up for the mic, and I tell you having to re-edit how to go over it in my head was *agonizing* because having to edit yourself can be really tough at first when you just want to run your mouth. I like to think I did an okay job at condensing the context into my question at the end, but lemme tell you, if you want an easy path to getting hit with Pat's lesson: Do it for a con panel instead of an infinite letter. You will check yourself REAL fast especially hearing the people in front of you having equally reasonable lengths in their explanations. ...Yes, I realize the irony of the comment being this long to describe this, but hey, that's why I added the personal context, to demonstrate it. (Also I agree with Pat, it's hilarious that the end of that bit was an actually good question)

@Shizn0id

9 ай бұрын

it's almost like the fans that write in have seen how blind to context pat and woolie are they make sure to include enough of an explanation in their letters to not be taken wrong by the chucklefucks who still get the character subplots for kanji and naoto in persona 4 wrong.

@Matrix5TheTrapsComeAlive

9 ай бұрын

@@Shizn0id You sent the email huh

The footage of Han talking to the original Jabba wasn't in the original release of the movie, it was left on the editing room floor and they reused it with a CGI Jabba for the special edition. The scene just wasn't necessary, it's almost the exact same dialogue as the scene where he shoots Greedo.

17:05 When hearing "Luca holding a baby", my mind created a scenario where Luca Blight from Suikoden II was holding a child above a mother, causing me to immediately clear the image from my head because I didn't like where it was going. When presenting an example, context can be pretty important it seems 😅.

I think people think all the quick and easy questions have already been asked and answered so they don't bother. Now all you have left are the questions and stories requiring lengthy context or made by people who don't recognize what they're saying isn't as interesting as they think it is.

@alternatealt5900

10 ай бұрын

I don't wanna be mean, but being on spectrum might play a role in this.

@Shizn0id

9 ай бұрын

@@alternatealt5900 yes pat and woolie being on the spectrum definitely plays a roll

Dark Vader on the death star seeing the Aurora borealis concentrated entirely in his kitchen.

People have one-sided talks in these letters.

@Trynt33

10 ай бұрын

It's like they want to be the next Tim Buckley or something

"Man I bet Pat's gonna calmly ask whoever wrote this hyperlong letter to next time send something a little bit- oh my god"

I agree 100% with pat. When you follow an account for video game related content, the last thing I want to see is their political opinion and shitty atitude for those who's opinions differ

@LilAnonomus

9 ай бұрын

"This is a cool artist, I'll follow them to see more" then just get bombarded by endless scrolling through their daily life journal that I just unfollow.

I mean, Legends says Hutts don’t start out immobile, the young ones start out lean and mean and in fact the big lazy ones are actually more muscle than they had when they were younger, at the same time a woman the size of Leia can slowly strangle a race that has cartilaginous bones so presumably Jabba could’ve just flung her around like a rag doll.. legends is a mess

David Finchers director debut was Alien 3 and it was so bad that he crawled into a hole for three years afterwards

I feel Pat's pain because I go to the same deli every Tuesday and they were closed last week due to delayed deliveries.

they need the strong bad second paragraph email filter

HE FINALLY SAID IT THANK GOD

Dude hearing Woolie read out what was basically a damn synopsis of the game really put these emails into perspective. if you're prefacing a question it should only need like 3 clarifying sentences before you ask it

The explanation of grabbing attention with long and weird light novel titles on whatever site they’re on makes sense, but then there’s weird outliers. So Kazuma Kamachi is the creator of A Certain Magical Index, and is one of the best selling authors in Japan and probably the world. Index’s name? Pretty normal. Another series of his, Heavy Object. Pretty normal… and then we have more recent titles like “The Weakness of Beatrice the Level Cap Holy Swordswoman That Made Being the Strongest Even More Trouble - His Name? Boo Boo”. Kamachi why are you doing this, there is no discernible reason to name it like this, I don’t understand!

@UnlimitedBick

10 ай бұрын

"His Name: Boo Boo" would go hard

@Ronin11111111

10 ай бұрын

The only explanation I can think of is it's part of the joke

I suppose the eponymous Super Beast is a teal deer :V

@cybergeek11235

10 ай бұрын

goddammit...

Glad someone finally said it

Pat should dice a small piece of cheese into 100 tiny pieces

Pat and Woolie just hate the fans that stayed lol

as an ADHD rambler this is so goddamn relatable

@PredictableEnigma

10 ай бұрын

Right I feel so bad for them. The secondhand embarrassment. I'm sure they meant well. Letter is indeed too long but communication is hard.

13:45 Well, that's how the Japanese government decided to classify fighting games, and I think esports in general :)

I highly respect Disco but I also don't want it to be a trend. Western RPGs already spent 3 generations removing combat, mechanics, & player agency. We are already in an industry that treats RPGs as dailogue simulators. Baldur's Gate 3 is so refreshing because both its writing & mechanics are deep.

@zaneseibert

10 ай бұрын

I feel like every big release that does something new and interesting gets a wave morons saying "should every game emulate the new hotness?" and the answer is always "no, I don't want every game to turn into the same game"

@AspiringDevil

10 ай бұрын

@@zaneseibert that's true. The audience does reinforce this sometimes especially when advertising lied to get them in the door. I love Brutal Legend I understand why a lot of people went in with false expectations. You want a diverse marketplace. Mint chocolate is great, but that doesn't mean i want all chocolate in the stor to be Mint Flavored.

@tylerlackey1175

10 ай бұрын

Reddit moment

Etrain Odyssey Mentioned!

Ok. Avocado, mayo, tomato. Best hotdog

@miguelnewmexico8641

10 ай бұрын

how dare you.

There's too many characters named Luka. I was right there with Pat going through a handful in my head before going "oh does he mean Bayonetta?"

I wrote in a kinda shitty letter a while back but i think I got in just through the benefits of having it be a Short And Consise Story. Brevity works wonders people, c'mon now

21:35 While the lead up is correct - Jabba was just a chubby dude - this part I'm pretty sure is incorrect - and chat rightly calls him out for. The original release of Star Wars (IV A New Hope) and all home video copies had the scene cut from the movie. It wasn't until the special edition re-release in like '97 that the scene was put back in, and they changed it to look like a younger, greener Jabba, rather than just "Chubby schlub".

Woolie would love a Chicago Dog

Is DMX in jail website is now a nice little tribute to the legend.

Funny thing about part of Woolie's example long-as-fuck title including Is It Wrong To Pick Up Girls In A Dungeon, that is not an Isekai. It's just a regular fantasy world with one of those stupidly long titles. But, the fantasy world does have quantifiable RPG stats in it, but that's just how real life is for them and it's not actually some video game and people just don't question how they're able to quantify their own stats. I haven't actually watched the show, for the record, I've only played the recent dungeon crawler game that's on Switch (and PS4/5 and Steam), and it does a decent job catching you up on basic concepts without needing the show (The most I've seen of the show itself is the one meme gif of the two MC's doing that toothbrush dance.) Unlike, say, the Fairy Tail game starting like several seasons in but having zero subtitle to tell anyone this is for fans and not meant to be a starting point. Yeah, I'm a little salty I almost got suckered by that game. ...That sure tangented.

Short-form Isekai title: "Monster Rancher"

This letter is really the definition of what us Spanish speakers know as "mucho texto".

there will be a moment where they would just start using emojis in the titles or write them in windings font, i see that happening in the next 5 years

They were right when they said we should never meet our heroes.

I do hope from now on they'd just straight up skip meandering 2000 word essays. Just look at the scroll bar and the top of the letter. Too long with no summary at the beginning? Bye.

15:32 Man, Pat's rage is real, and I'm RIGHT THERE WITH HIM.

How long is a paragraph though. If you are a bad writer you'll just do everything in one giant blob on the page

There's a European dude that sells hotdogs from a cart on White Rock peir. His name is Dom or Don.

Ironically this video is too long for the title. They don't get to the point of the title of the video "Your Letter Is Too Long" til 3/5ths of the way through

@ice_queen9

10 ай бұрын

it's true, i didn't make it that far

The chrono cross battle theme came from chrono trigger

*Boaty McBoatface Can’t Relate To Other Aquatic Craft So Guess It’s Time To Commit Petty Larceny For A High School Guidance Counselor Hopefully Before The IRS Realizes The Truth About Dad’s New Hobby Over Summer Break With Mayonnaise-sama!* _Working Title_

Am I the only one that reads video titles instead of looking at thumbnails?

“A small percentage of our fans are autistic.”

There's no way human jabba made it to the theater release there would be so many people complaining about it knowing the starwars wars

MAYO ON A HOT DOG?? D:

Woolie is looking good

People really out here sending essays huh.

But how do we feel about cutting the hot dog in half and treating it like a sandwich? Five Guys does that and its pretty good

@Lunarice98

10 ай бұрын

Is it 20 bucks a dog too?

Gotta admit. I sent a kind of long letter a while back, dunno if it ever even went through since I mostly catch CSB through these cuts, but I remember that it was a _long_ letter about what was functionally my personal understanding of mind's eye, mind's ear, that sort of thing after Pat mentioned not being able to replicate other peoples' voices mentally. Feeling a bit self conscious. When I was writing that I wanted to be as clear as possible and did a lot of overexplaining and reiteration because I felt an odd sort of parasocial kinship with Woolie after the whole 'growing up when we had differences we'd explain where we were coming from and get past it, what do you mean explaining myself comes off as making excuses? people think that way?' thing and I suppose thought being as clear as possible meant being exhaustive in detail. I forget sometimes that tiring people with incessant dialogue is sometimes worse for clarity, not better. Explanation, not excuse. Will learn from that mistake.

@stevsux4442

10 ай бұрын

For whatever it's worth I read the first sentence and the last section of your comment

@yhposolihP

10 ай бұрын

@@stevsux4442 ...No offense to OP here at all, but literally same.

@MakoChannel

10 ай бұрын

he did not learn from that mistake

@Trynt33

10 ай бұрын

@@stevsux4442 It's not even that long though, c'mon. People leave full on novels in comment sections while this guy's just trying to explain his point in really basic terms. It's the length of two and a half tweets. Probably feels even more self conscious leaving that comment now when the whole thread is nothing but this

@stevsux4442

10 ай бұрын

@@Trynt33 you read too many long comments if you think this is "really basic terms." if you wanna make your points shorter and more concise start by making that declaration shorter and more concise

7:10 BASED

11:50 100%; I used to love a Warhammer channel, but out of the blue, a rant about liberals and vaccines ambush.

@Trynt33

10 ай бұрын

This sounds like a heck of a trip

@MrStath1986

10 ай бұрын

Oh, that's somewhat common; they're far-righters who don't get that the Imperium is a parody of murderous regimes and are not the good guys, and that say, Commissars look like your average Gestapo/SS officer for a reason.

Raw onions on hotdogs is Woolie's cereal and milk eaten separately.

@LilAnonomus

9 ай бұрын

Raw onions are fine if it's a chili dog

Cheese on a glizzy is wild

@miguelnewmexico8641

10 ай бұрын

hot dog*

"that explains why those stupid long titles became a trendy thing" that just like saying "so thats why the trendy thing is trending, its a trend!😮" and being legit surprised.

Overcomplicating isekai there. It means otherworld, that's it, if people go from one world to a different world it's an isekai. Multiverses are different versions, not different worlds.

@MagnusPrimeZ

9 ай бұрын

not exactly, it means "reincarnated in another world" or "becoming another person in another world", if that wasnt the case then most anime would be isekai, inuyasha counts as an isekai? digimon?

@night1952

9 ай бұрын

@@MagnusPrimeZ yes, they are absolutely isekai.

@Shizn0id

9 ай бұрын

@@MagnusPrimeZ inuyasha is time travel.

You video about letters is too long.

There’s something special about Pat putting ketchup and cheese on a hotdog but saying raw onions are for psychos. Just, Jesus Christ.

@kricku

10 ай бұрын

But somehow it's normal to put cheese IN a hot dog

@Shizn0id

9 ай бұрын

dont forget his insane hate for mayo

Funny that he brings up Scrubquotes, because politcal shit is exactly why I stopped following that account. Like, for fuck's sake I just want my gimmick accounts to STAY ON THE GIMMICK

@Shizn0id

9 ай бұрын

yeah but the politics on scrubquotes is the kind he aligns with so its ok

Like.

Is Pat Jewish?

@miguelnewmexico8641

10 ай бұрын

worse. he's French. but French-Canadian, so not quite as bad, but still, ya know. French.

I really wish Woolie would stop assuming everybody listening has heard and remembers every podcast, especially when he gets irritated at someone for not getting the bit... I mean sure, that applies to me, but assuming that for everyone is pretty snobbish.

@FrozenOver0

10 ай бұрын

At the same time, needing to repeat yourself every episode can be frustrating, so I kind of get it.

@Trynt33

10 ай бұрын

It's a catch 22 with him since he's also used to dealing with the super freaks that have actually listened to every podcast going back to the SBFP era. It's not easy as someone in the public spotlight. That and it'd get really tedious to repeat after the fourth or fifth time (Remember when he made Pat hate Sayonara Wild Hearts within the podcast of it getting brought up)