As an Iranian-American, this is literally the debate my uncles have had my whole life. This is thanksgiving dinner for us. It never ends.

@loschwahn723

10 ай бұрын

grab the WALDSEEMÜLLER MAP and look for PARTHIA, ARIA & PAROPANIS ...thats the biblical mental hospital where they all sit in

@goldentaco4970

10 ай бұрын

Do they ever mention how the British and Americans overthrew Mosadek, installed the Shaw, and started this whole thing.

@ahpacific

10 ай бұрын

@@goldentaco4970 all day everyday

@goldentaco4970

10 ай бұрын

@@ahpacific lol

@Asiyah2000

10 ай бұрын

​@@ahpacificare you Muslim ?? 🤔

As an Iranian I love seeing two Iranians with totally opposing views and high levels of passion debate without getting bitter. Props for remaining gentlemen

@voice88out

Жыл бұрын

Brother the Iranian people and culture are misrepresented by this ugly regime!

@angelbsb272

Жыл бұрын

And high levels of intelligence. I learned a lot about Iran and have a whole lot more respect for these people. We need more of this

@email2hector

Жыл бұрын

I don't know how gentleman they are when one was yells out f bombs everytime he hears something he dosent like

@earthgraduate726

Жыл бұрын

No wonder you get to put the first comment here .

@yoelpachuco6875

Жыл бұрын

As an Iranian. Patrick embarrased himself

this conversation went word for word 100% the same way two cubans who get together talk about cuba. Reminds me of hearing my stepdad talk about cuba all the time. In both countries nothing has changed since I've been born.

@Entername-md1ev

2 ай бұрын

Same with Chinese families too! Holy moly every family gathering that turns political about the “old country” always results in a shitshow, none of these countries deserve the ‘leaders’ who are running them to the ground

@Thawhid

2 ай бұрын

But why is it? Within a mix of so many subjects is one because the American government don't want Iran to level back up?

@patrickn8355

Ай бұрын

Except they can’t have that conversation in Cuba, just like these two couldn’t have it in Iran. That’s what makes America great

Patrick thinks he’s smarter than he actually is in this debate

@davestuddaman8127

4 ай бұрын

Care to explain

@mirembewinfred5353

4 ай бұрын

He's like this Egyptian guy called basse.....m.

@alphapablo3514

Ай бұрын

Frs this guy is a clown

@abdullahsboul1875

Ай бұрын

@@davestuddaman8127 he is literally not listening whatsoever he just assumes the response and keeps putting words into his mouth

@Fahmbo

Ай бұрын

@@mirembewinfred5353the cardiologist? Youre the fool.

I don’t always agree with PBD but what I love about him is he brings on guests that have opposite beliefs of what he believes in. He definitely believes in freedom of speech and freedom of thought.

@89strangelove

Жыл бұрын

He was tiring with the constant interruptions and needless argument repetitions though

@Anykindahandle

Жыл бұрын

@@89strangelove he’s from Iran. He’s passionate. If anything that guy was rude dropping f bombs every other sentence.

@MovieRiotHD

Жыл бұрын

Why is that bad, as long as he can argue properly for what he thinks it's fine.

@1farahnaz

Жыл бұрын

His stands on the murderous regime of the shah being better than the murderous regime of the mullahs was truly aweful. It's so unfortunate that some folks keep grasping for a facade that is nostalgia for the past instead of moving forward and plea for true democracy and freedom. There is literally NO room for monarchy in the POLITICAL realm. Why does he even care?? It's done and over with, get over it. He's a Pahlavist as Reza said, I have no respect for that political affiliation one bit, it truly shows a stunt in your political understanding and development and honestly makes me doubt the intelligence of anyone who still fights for the reputation/legitimacy of a monarchy in this day and age.

@georgecoull1883

Жыл бұрын

He served in the American military and is American and patriotic

Love to see two guys who completely disagree able to discuss something and strive to find common ground. The world needs more conversations like this

@MrBIG-nq9yl

Жыл бұрын

Yes NORMAL

@kingrama2727

Жыл бұрын

It happens all the time, you just need to turn off Fox, CNN and MSNBC

@janetpaguilar5086

Жыл бұрын

😮 I just said the same thing I love Mr Pat

@jonnyhan

Жыл бұрын

Fully agree brother. This is the only path forward for us. Even if we only find common ground on the ends, but not the means, is a great place to start. We should celebrate that and emphasize that.

@LaymanGamin

Жыл бұрын

Everybody says this same comment when they like someone 😂. This is normal . How do u discuss something with someone u disagree with?

Man i love how you use Farsi words ! I speak to my children the same way and this year for first time after 30 years I have one Persian student. I tell her one or two Farsi word between our conversations and it just makes my day❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏

@piggypooo

Ай бұрын

Farsi baladi , Baba. 😅 that's all I know

@Este819

Ай бұрын

Forsi harf mezani?😅it means “do you speak Farsi”

@piggypooo

Ай бұрын

@@Este819 🤣 what does that mean??

@DonHolborne22

Ай бұрын

Is it you loved in this debate?

Omg, it’s an incredible debate, we need more of this type of stuff

Patrick David was showing a lot of emotion on this interview on Iran.

@dixienormas1627

6 ай бұрын

Nah this just how uncles argue

@ericanderson735

4 ай бұрын

Maybe 5% more emotion, dude the control he has on if you think about how attached to this he is personally. I know for a fact I couldn’t stay that composed and I believe I’m fairly emotionally controlled. I looked up to him, nothing more emotionally taxing to these two guys. Regardless what you believe they are both real men, respect to both ❤❤❤❤❤ nothing but love the world needs more of this then ever.

@monotech20.14

2 ай бұрын

PBD is a moron. Its just that simple.

@qasam204

Ай бұрын

Patrick only understands Patrick. Everyone else is naive. Got it. He plays a good character tho... Made him money.

@groupupsouthafrica

Ай бұрын

The guy hates iran

I respect how Pat can debate with class without using profanity.

@Abdulrahman-gj5vh

9 ай бұрын

Yeah…except when hes about to lose an argument he instantly resorts to “you have to be naive to believe that!!? Pat has never admitted to being wrong, simply wont happen

@jtstevenson81

9 ай бұрын

​@@Abdulrahman-gj5vhI'll take Pat's argument style over Reza's effeminate screaming.

@Abdulrahman-gj5vh

9 ай бұрын

@@jtstevenson81 im sure you would. Because how else will you counter logic? By arguing and dancing around it without addressing directly. Youre in denial

@jtstevenson81

9 ай бұрын

@@Abdulrahman-gj5vh Reza didn't make a single logical point the entire time. PBD called him naive because he equated the two sides of being equally murderous regimes. It's a popular refrain on the Left, because you guys love making excuses for criminals. Reza and his ilk are far left douches.

@HalfHydenJekkel

9 ай бұрын

He’s amazing,no doubt about that.

I love how the love for your home country comes through. I can tell you both love your home country especially when you guys talked about going back with your kids one day. Also your line “you can’t be that naive, you have 4 degrees, I have none” 😂😂😂 I really felt this one!!! Haha

@DanReh

5 ай бұрын

Patrick missed the point that Reza was making about stimulating the Iranian economy and how that would help the Iranian people. This would empower the people of Iran to push for change. Patrick seems to be lost in his hatred on the current Iranian regime and his love for the United States of America.

@Candice-Tara

5 ай бұрын

@@DanReh thank you for your insight. I saw that too. But my interpretation of what Pat was saying is that he wanted to know how the money would get into the hands of the people. Because what it sounds like is, it has to go through the corruption of the Iranian regime and the money would not go to the people. That’s just my take on this conversation (video clip). I am definitely not educated on the history of politics in these countries. 😊

@Candice-Tara

5 ай бұрын

@@DanReh also just curious…what Rez is suggesting for the Iranian people, is that the same strategy the US tried to do for Afghanistan and it’s people before we exited a couple years ago?

@DanReh

5 ай бұрын

​@@Candice-Tara The strategy in Afghanistan was invasion through military force. We are not talking about military invasion here. So, it’s not the same strategy as Afghanistan. And Afghanistan was a disaster on many levels but I digress. What Reza is doing in this video is defending the JCPOA, which is the Iran Nuclear Deal under the Obama administration. Reza argues that removing sanctions from Iran is a good idea because it allows for policies that lead to the economic liberalization of Iran. I’ll give you a quick example. One of the items that is currently banned under the sanctions on Iran are carpets. So, if you are a carpet maker in Iran, you cannot sell your carpets internationally. You are cut off from the international market place. All sanctions do is hurt the Iranian people, not the government. The government is able to make money though black markets. Now the government is more powerful and the people are less powerful. It’s become almost impossible for Iranians to rise up against the government. Reza makes the point that 45 years of sanctions has made the people poor and the government rich. The policy of blanket sanctioning Iran doesn’t work. Removing sanctions gives the Iranian people access to the international market place, which leads to economic liberalization. The Iranian people start becoming powerful because they are making money and gaining capital. Patrick keeps arguing the money doesn’t go to the people. But it’s does, through these economic policies. However, these same policies also benefit the Iranian government. Patrick is completely blinded by his hate of the Iranian regime and he doesn’t see the big picture. He is complete caught up in the 150 billion dollars (which is part of the JCPOA deal, and is money that belongs to Iran anyways) going to the Iranian regime. He just doesn't seem to understand that Iran would have to pursue economic policies that would benefit the Iranian people. His "brilliant" idea having the US government stage a coup. This is nuts and will get a lot of innocent people killed.

@kaveman1021

5 ай бұрын

Reza Aslan is a traitor. Plain and simple.

As an Iranian living in Iran...my man, America isn’t the one who’s oppressing us...islamic republic is (even though America is actively trying to keep the government in iran but thats a discussion for another day). Even if we were free to communicate and trade and shit we couldn’t bc of the lack of accessibility that the policies of the islamic republic provide .

@1.21Gigawatts_

5 ай бұрын

BS. It's US sanctions destroying the iranian people

@NoodWorld

Ай бұрын

Long live islamic iran

@John-wg9mb

Ай бұрын

America literally sanctioning yall lmao 😂

@hailoweenhailoween5264

Ай бұрын

You guys just want access to western europeans. A lot of you in the middle east really believe that euro americans are going to be all buddy buddy with you because you guys are scientifically labeled Caucasian.

@hailoweenhailoween5264

Ай бұрын

You guys just want access to Europeans in the western world. Just say it already

It's as if PBD hears what he assumes someone is saying, rather than listening to someone's words and understanding what they are actually saying.

@patrickobannon8924

Жыл бұрын

Yes he is very much like that

When an intellectual debates an "influencer" the gap is huge. It was fun to watch this.

@undergroundxp

Жыл бұрын

which one of the influencers was the one just blindly shipping weapons to a country filled with poor people and terrorists? lmao.

@janetpaguilar5086

Жыл бұрын

We need more like this. Civilized conversation that are actually listening. Not hitting walls a real interest in moving forward in finding common ground and building on it without losing the beauty of its culture.

@scundoorsup5342

Жыл бұрын

Look how nervous Rezlan is ! Wrapping the cord around his finger

@yourtargetacademy

11 ай бұрын

@@scundoorsup5342 I think that's anxiety, having to deal with a non-intellectual

@Moonuuu

7 ай бұрын

That guy more loyal iran than usa

Patrick,fully agree with your line. Thank you for voicing it.

@KevinMartin-yy9wv

21 күн бұрын

REza fully agree with your line Thank you for voicing it

Every Iranian has been unwillingly witness to this debate after dinner at a family gatherings. I feel I'm there in the studio 😂

@NK-iw6rq

8 ай бұрын

My family comes from a long line of Persians dating back hundreds of generations. Long Live Iran 🇮🇷

@user-fu9gm2uz2k

7 ай бұрын

Let's cut the shit The Islamic Republic and the US government will never ever have peace The Iran deal just bought some time The Trump admin just went back to the basic game play. Sanctions sanctions sanctions and more sanctions.

@dustinjackson3318

7 ай бұрын

Sounds like a damned if you do, damned if you don't debate. Do they know this?

@amireghbal9892

7 ай бұрын

If this topic interests you not and you were "unwillingly" witnessing it, then no offense, but you are part of the problem. It is this attitude that has kept us basically abused daily by this regime and we say nothing. You just wanna eat food and dance and not deal with anything of importance or conflict. I don't mean offend to you personally but to not even have interest in the conversation is really bad bro.

@behshadmohebali6234

7 ай бұрын

@@amireghbal9892 not every after dinner uncle debate is informative. Most of the times people disagree just to disagree. Also, I want you to look at just the past 5 years of protests and struggles of the Iranian people in iran and around the world, the people who got jailed, tortured, and executed because of their opposition and tell me again that “we say nothing.” If all of that is nothing to you I don know what is.

As an Iranian, I truly appreciate you putting this up Patrick!

@toineshootsairballs

Жыл бұрын

As a Cuban American, so do I. This is a very familiar conversation. Batista vs Castro. Approach with isolationism or diplomacy.

@ayoubzahiri1918

Жыл бұрын

the example of not letting iran get nuclear weapon is like of castrating a man, all so that Israel can go rampage in the middle east without fearing any threat, because the n°1 military in the world has it's back so it can win any NON nuclear war, at the end it's all about who have the biggest gun, it's an existential threat

@alexanderthefirst6002

Жыл бұрын

Sina Nabilou I'm guessing your Christian Iranian?

@Omar-jy1gr

Жыл бұрын

Is Reza a good representer of the Iranian people with all these opinions he's saying?

@1farahnaz

Жыл бұрын

@@Omar-jy1gr absolutely. Unfortunately there is a group like PBD who white-wash the past and are stuck in a "lost era" which never existed anyway. They are the pahlavists and will die defending the reputation/legitimacy of a family whose name doesnt belong in the political conversation of this day and age. Majority of the people would agree with Reza on this. I'd say max 20% PBD (being generous), 70% Reza, and 10% who are still affiliated with the regime and would like to see both men dead lol.

As someone who speaks Persian it's so fun to watch Patrick speaking Persian

@homayamaniShahdoost

5 ай бұрын

That was your whole take from this interview?

@bub6871

2 ай бұрын

​@@homayamaniShahdoostthats one thing he liked, one sentence doesnt explain everything from the interview obviously.

I love when Pat doesn’t use “F” words, that means he is confident. Thank you for being a Gentleman you are.

@abdullahsboul1875

Ай бұрын

lol yeah that's how you win debates by not using the "F word" wow what a criteria you can't debate against that

These political pundits come across so much better when they are given time to express their views accurately in a podcast.

@whitneybosseler

Жыл бұрын

I totally agree

I’m pretty sure my new favorite pastime is hearing two Iranians passionately arguing😂

@ALCRAN2010

Жыл бұрын

It's interesting how much religion is part of the argument. It's supposed to be about human interest.

@scottdorsey8220

Жыл бұрын

@@ALCRAN2010 Nothing will change. It's a great intellectual exercise to consider empty possibilities.

@Just_logic

Жыл бұрын

@@ALCRAN2010 There was no discussion about religion.

@chris-cy5ed

Жыл бұрын

@@ALCRAN2010 that's what religion is!!! The churches run the world in health care in complimentary gifts of money and health and wealth and everything from morals , integrity , values, etc... ways of life Etc.......Etc..etc

@bub6871

2 ай бұрын

​@@ALCRAN2010Islam is in decline by a massive amount in Iran. Christianity, atheism, and Zoroastrianism is growing. Whether thats good or bad depends on the person, it seems have an Islamic government isn't actually good for Islam in the modern world.

I enjoy Patricks discussions. Animated and genuinely engaged with great curiosity. This was a fun episode.

well discussion, big love to both 🙏

Idk wtf is going on but I love a good argument lmao. Kinda like watching my uncles argue at a party 🥳

@lucasp1185

Жыл бұрын

well...lol..at least you are honest.....this conversation is super important.. so Imagine that Iran is a student who has been accused of cheating on a test. The other countries in the world are the teachers who are concerned about the student's behavior and want to make sure that he is not cheating in the future. To ensure that the student(Iran) is not cheating, the teachers agrees to give the student a series of extra assignments and to watch him closely while he completes the assignments. In return, the teachers agrees to give the student a good grade, not to punish him for past misbehavior, and to give him some extra money. This is similar to the way that the Iran nuclear deal worked, with the international community imposing restrictions on Iran's nuclear program in exchange for the lifting of economic sanctions and the release of Iranian funds that had been frozen overseas.. ::PBD:: believes giving money to the parent (government) is not the way to solve the problem cause he argue the parent are corrupt and they dont care for their kid..... ::REZA:: argues that there are reliable systems in place that will make sure the parent will give the money to the student (government to the people)..but they both agree that are no safe way to give the money directly to the student -- TEACHERS(USA) STUDENT(IRAN PEOPLE)

@jeffk464

Жыл бұрын

Israel has probably the best intelligence agency in the world, especially on Iran. If Israel said Iran is still working on Nukes their are only two possibilities Iran was still working on nukes or Israel was engaged in a misinformation campaign. One thing for sure is that Israel knows whether Iran is working on nukes or not.

@anairenemartinez165

Жыл бұрын

Your uncle's also curse every 2 minutes?

@jackjack4412

Жыл бұрын

​@Wheels and the Legman and how about the heinas?

@petera1860

Жыл бұрын

Another ignorant American

“You negotiate with countries that disagree with us” The sign of a wise mind

@sinabagherisarvestani8924

Жыл бұрын

I don't support regime change in Iran , the regime is too powerful and the regime is likely to stay in power for the next 100000 years , the country is too big and they are not going to be overthrown , I do however support reforms , I think the best policy is the removal of sanctions and the embargo and the return of all frozen assets to that country , Iran will have to improve relations with western nations Regime change is not the right policy and frankly the regime in that country is stronger than it has ever been before since they got a majority vote in 1979 . NOTE: I don't support the ayatollahs in Iran but they are in charge of that country and we are going to have to learn to respect them and live with them , the regime in Iran must reform its policy

@zero900kamakaze8

Жыл бұрын

It’s not disagreeing they wanted you dead

@abdullaali1799

Жыл бұрын

@@sinabagherisarvestani8924 I share your views 100%. Sad that many Iranians abroad are living in a fantasy world.

@Jurisdoctorsosh

Жыл бұрын

@@sinabagherisarvestani8924 for every sheep like you we need a sheppard of course.

@MC_heart4

Жыл бұрын

you negotiate from positions of strength. the Iranian nuclear deal had a time constraint, it was betting that if iran was allowed in the global economy for like 15 years, they would not want to pursue a nuclear weapon at the end- guess what, this "liberalization in the global economy" shcikt died with china's persistence as a dictatorship

An amazing and entertaining discussion for sure.

How intelligent, informed, and enlightened is someone who emphasizes every retort with "fuck"

I love how Patrick gives Reza only two options for which regime he prefers… but then gives himself THREE options in terms of the nuclear deal.

@iNuja6es

7 ай бұрын

Hes always fishing like that

@NiniPa668

7 ай бұрын

Because Patrick thinks the Iranian are too dumb to have a democratic Govt as option 3.

@johnmccusker5735

6 ай бұрын

Exactly, I was crying out for Reza to restrict him to the two options he proposed just as Patrick had insisted on!

@monotech20.14

2 ай бұрын

PBD is a moron. Its just that simple.

This is an example of when you are so emotionally entrenched, common-sense goes out of the window. I believe PBD will look back at this exchange with a lot of lessons learned.

@thinkbeforeyoutype7106

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! I can’t believe how DELUSIONAL pbd take was on this topic. The sheer hypocrisy and weak straw man tactics he used was downright clownish.

@popo12920

Жыл бұрын

@@thinkbeforeyoutype7106 why are you copy and pasting this on all the comments?😂😂 Reza wants to give the mullahs billions and call it a nuclear deal. You think its a coincidence reza is saying the exact same thing the mullahs are?

@thinkbeforeyoutype7106

Жыл бұрын

@@popo12920 HAHAHA Why are you getting triggered because your delusional lies and hypocrisy is easily exposed. You think the U.S government using the CIA terrorist agents to overthrow Iran elected president back in 1954 didn’t have unintended consequences? Everyone knows the real THREAT to humanity is America which promotes SATANIC genderless pronounce in order to corrupt the youth of the world just as they’ve corrupted their own. Get over your feelings and deal with historical facts imbecile ;)

@popo12920

Жыл бұрын

@@thinkbeforeyoutype7106 relax 😂😂 im well aware of the western demonic shit, but you do know it was the west that got rid of the shah right? You think France is giving away private jets to anyone that asks? Shah was getting too powerful but dictatorships dont work regardless because the next guy can always turn out to be a piece of shit. You muslims make me laugh you think its either western degeneracy or muslim fundamentalism 😂😂😂

@thinkbeforeyoutype7106

Жыл бұрын

@@popo12920 The west were the ones who FIRST installed the Shah which is a fact. Also, the west has become so DELUSIONAL and degeneracy is so rampant that you actually believe “fundamentalism” against Muslims. That’s actually hilarious. I guarantee you within a decade the west will call any man or a woman who views a real family is build on between a man and woman will be called “fundamentalist.” So laugh now, cry later. Muslims don’t tolerate the degeneracy that you’ve tolerated for decades and now is castrating your basic manhood. Stop lying to yourself for once and stop using brainwashed talking points against Muslims. Take care.

Iranians are really intelligent and passionate and they are real good friends to have.. greetings to all my iranian brothers from Tunisia

When he finally answered your question, he admitted what you already knew and stated lol. I love your approach and how you psychologically got him to answer !

First I´m seeing this and it's a year old... It´s interesting to hear two ethnic Iranians that still have emotional ties to Iran verbally duke it out. Loved it!

Is there any time Patrick answer a question? This is a really good and respectful conversation, but could be more good if he understand people has other position or he can listen and understand the other position.

@NSeal1120

Жыл бұрын

Pat has a one track mindset, he’s always right and everyone else’s opinion is irrelevant. He is what he hates, sounds like a typical liberal.

@fugitiveminded

Жыл бұрын

Well said

@peterhorton9063

Жыл бұрын

From what I see no. I don't understand how his podcast is popular. Interupting and calling his guest neive is a common theme from what i have seen., while being afraid to entrain ideas you disagree with.

This is why PBD is one of the best! He constantly brings on people who disagree with him or have different opinions which is what we need! Keep doing what you do PBD don't change

@loschwahn723

10 ай бұрын

i'm waiting for the culture shock when it's arrived P4F

@lescarman6580

9 ай бұрын

You were watching a different debate. Patrick was way out his depth.

@wiseman5076

9 ай бұрын

@@lescarman6580 This wasn't a debate. It was an interview.

@mr_recycle408

9 ай бұрын

and those generations born pre 1990 needed to be doing what we are doing now, which is uniting and not complaining about minimum wage trying to afford a $1.2M house while driving a tesla hahaha

@bigtechnazis3554

9 ай бұрын

​@@lescarman6580 you're siding with a guy arguing like an undeveloped 8th grader.

What a truly excellent discussion between two men with different opinions on certain issues, but both with great love for Iran and its people under despotic rule.

Pro tip in life, when you hear someone say "it's easy..." you know they have no idea and that naive label really does land.

What an action packed debate!!! I loved watching this one, time just flew by! You have to have him back!

Love conversations like this. Im not sure he was expecting this type of interview, but it had to be done. If politicians talked like this, we’d find out alot. Great work

@brucewilliamsstudio4932

Жыл бұрын

I don't think I have ever seen Patrick this passionate..... I loved it.

@albertorynda740

Жыл бұрын

Yea but Patrick didn't listen to this dude at all. He was trying to make him pick a side and this dude thinking outside the matrix....he's saying not to pick any side bc is all corrupt

@blackalgorithmist000

Жыл бұрын

@@albertorynda740 Patrick sounded like a fucking fool he was all over the place

@albertorynda740

Жыл бұрын

@@blackalgorithmist000 yea I was disappointed on how he approached this 🤦🏽‍♂️

@user-pq7jj3vs3e

Жыл бұрын

Patrick was all feelings and little facts. You would think he would have a nuanced appreciation of US-IRAN relation. He sounds like a Lindsay graham, or another chicken hawk. His main argument is they-the Iranian regime ‘hates’ us and they said death to America. So we make policies based on political sloganeering. What a simpleton

PBD does not listen! He just reacts!!

As a viewer from Samoa🇼🇸 I’m a massive fan of Patrick and what he’s doing to the MSM…I know alot about whats happening in the world from PBD podcast. FYI, in this debate I am impressed how composed Pat is and the other guy was getting frustrated to the point he was swearing alot😂

@nasraabdullah6935

10 ай бұрын

To be fair Patrick was putting word in his mouth when the guy refused to choose the previous (slightly less murders) regim over current ( murders) regim and said neither .

@NoBody-si6cz

10 ай бұрын

You mean FSM?

@strawood8327

9 ай бұрын

Kefe

@kenhew4641

7 ай бұрын

But if you truly understand the history of the Iranian Revolution you would be very frustrated at PBD too and I actually commend Reza for being almost saint-like here with his patience in even being able to speak and explain his rebuttals and reasoning to PBD....As a viewer viewing this painful debate I'd wish I can reach my hand into the monitor and choke some damned reason and reality into PBD.

@moridimafea

7 ай бұрын

We’ll as an Iranian I can tell you the other guy grasps the issues in Iran much better. Pat is off

Hell of a conversation. Very informative and entertaining debate. This was 10/10 for my lunch break

@jezebulls

Жыл бұрын

Yup. Not one attack on each other’s character or name calling. I love the nuance

@jpmorganrunsthegame1064

Жыл бұрын

Research the Hashashin/Assassin's. The word Assassin comes from them the Assassin's. They murdered Muslim, Jewish and Christian leaders. The Iranian/Persian have ties to the Shia (Fake Muslim) Assassin's. Don't let them deceive you.

@afarouk3712

Жыл бұрын

It's not 10/10. Wow we are losing intellect. Patrick is not smart

@obeb787

Жыл бұрын

Patrick actually messes this up, he’s not the smartest tool. It’s frustrating, could’ve been great.

@ddhqj2023

11 ай бұрын

Only Reza's thoughts were informative. Half a day of his life, wasted on talking to PBD but at least the people who follow PBD got to hear a smart guy explain foreign policy as regards Iran, for a change.

Thank yoooou, Patrick 👏👏👏👏

What you can see and learn in this discussion is one person is lead by facts and academia the other is just pure feelings and name calling.

About 18 years ago, traveling from Brasil, Rio de Janeiro, to NYC, sitting next to me was a Iranian young man, 26 Years old. When the airplane was flying and the mountains apear on the window, I notice his sadness. We started a conversation and he sad to me that those mountains remind him of Iran. ...that he missed his Country but he new he would never go back because of the Government. He was the only one that survive from his family. His father, Mother and two sister die during the time they were leaving. I always pray for him. I believe he is safe and probably had great opportunities here. God bless!

@keksi6844

11 ай бұрын

You are praying for pagan whos family went against people who follow God???

@calilion1360

11 ай бұрын

@@keksi6844🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

@srali7609

10 ай бұрын

​@@keksi6844how is he a pagan ?????

@andrewparry7300

10 ай бұрын

​@@keksi6844Is it not the sick who need a doctor?

@MrGengad

10 ай бұрын

Neither of you can speak on behalf of Iran. The current government would have been able to accomplish significant improvements for its people if the sanctions were lifted. When individuals are provided with opportunities, true freedom can be achieved.

This reminds me of when I was younger and my uncles and father used to debate after having an amazing day. They'd then hug and kiss eachother while leaving and repeat next week 😂

@matthewmiri

Жыл бұрын

hahaha i have the same memories

@sinabagherisarvestani8924

Жыл бұрын

I don't support regime change in Iran , the regime is too powerful and the regime is likely to stay in power for the next 100000 years , the country is too big and they are not going to be overthrown , I do however support reforms , I think the best policy is the removal of sanctions and the embargo and the return of all frozen assets to that country , Iran will have to improve relations with western nations Regime change is not the right policy and frankly the regime in that country is stronger than it has ever been before since they got a majority vote in 1979 . NOTE: I don't support the ayatollahs in Iran but they are in charge of that country and we are going to have to learn to respect them and live with them , the regime in Iran must reform its policy

@rohatkarabulut2476

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewmiri I remember they'd start swearing and shouting as if they were going to get into a fist fight but then when they tea arrives they'd calm down 😂

@schilling2438

Жыл бұрын

@@sinabagherisarvestani8924 never trust anyone who copy and pastes the same thing in every comment.

@matthewmiri

Жыл бұрын

@@rohatkarabulut2476 lol ah yes, chai can always resolve some of the most heated debates

This was a masterclass in respectfully debating passionately from opposing viewpoints

You are absolutely right , Patrick ❤

@KevinMartin-yy9wv

21 күн бұрын

You are absolutely right , Reza

We definitely need more of this, please have another round with him david

As an Indian with Iranian ancestry, I say that there shall be peace only when every resident Iranian embrace their original Zoroastrianism and Persian culture

@nyfinest487

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@Lovely-1999

9 ай бұрын

Acually Persions feel a shame when some metion they share race with indian they get really mad😂😂

@MM-dm4xj

17 күн бұрын

​@@Lovely-1999i dont

I love your ideas, Patrck👍

@KevinMartin-yy9wv

21 күн бұрын

I love ideas of Rezan you been remarkable

One of the best videos

Big difference between supporting a country and supporting that countries government.. lol

@CashMoolah00

Жыл бұрын

And regime change, ain’t now way Americans would send weapons to Iran.

@stevelux9854

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Just as I support the Chinese people, but certainly not their government. Same with the American people, and not the non-representative US government.

@AustinAudiS6

Жыл бұрын

@Und3r_Bank3r the American government has most definitely given Iran weapons and hundreds of millions in cash.

@fivepillars4880

Жыл бұрын

@@CashMoolah00 why they sent it to afghanistan, sent to iraq during gulf war

@flubber1557

Жыл бұрын

@@CashMoolah00 we are losing our own weapons at the moment why would we give them some? Also in a way the new 1.7 trillion deal gives some money to Irans government since some is being sent there for boarder protection or something if I recall right. This country is going to die off soon if we cannot fix our priorities quick.

PBD and Reza are both very passionate about this. I love seeing the passion!

@soappy1720

Жыл бұрын

Passion is not your friend. Clear, calm mind is better in any situation

bravoo Patrik , well done.

That was like watching water and ice argue about who hates fire more and how to defeat it haha😅

16:00 “You are defending khomenei“ after 16 minutes of conversation Patrick shows that while Reza is talking he is not listening. During that he only prepares his next argument. 😂 what a joke

@randomfullywonderful

Жыл бұрын

*BEWARE OF REZA!* He doesn't support Trump or the populist Republicans.

@popo12920

Жыл бұрын

He was indirectly defending mullahs. Isnt it strange he is asking for a nuclear deal (giving mullahs billions) and less sanctions? He is a slimey puppet.

@thinkbeforeyoutype7106

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! Patrick is showing how emotional and delusional he is when it’s the U.S government (CIA) which overthrown the democratic elected president back in 1954 and installed the Shah who was an oppressive American PUPPET. The current Iran leaders are the RESULT of America’s FAILED foreign policies throughout the world. They create more problems than they actually solve.

@gabrielm6221

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@Ko0okieeZ

Жыл бұрын

and then at 22:58 he says Raza is for the government bullying its people. That guy is a clown and dishonest

The more I watch Pbd the more I realize he has a simplistic understanding of most complicated topics. A lot of his guests spend their lives in a certain profession or engaged in a particular goal and pbd comes in arguing as though he knows better and almost always demonstrates fundamental misunderstandings of the given topics

@susanthejew6351

10 ай бұрын

the more i read libtard comments the more I reckognize the empty grandstanding and it always reminds me of the south park episode where kyle's family moves to san fransisco where they learn to love the smell of their own farts.

@RasulMagomedov-sm9qe

10 ай бұрын

@@susanthejew6351 Whats wrong with u dude? Guy is expressing his opinion and you shoving your libtard bs. Life is not about Red vs Blue. Wake up and put yourself together.

@Dennis0824

10 ай бұрын

I think you misunderstand PBD. He is very opinionated but I think he understands more than you give him credit for. He did not get to where he is by being a simpleton. I would suggest that he is trying to simplify the problem for the benefit of his audience.

@Dingleberry69420

10 ай бұрын

@@susanthejew6351explains a lot, you’re a Jew. Go circumcise little bois with your mouth like in South Park.

@themaharaniscloset

10 ай бұрын

agree. if he believes something emotionally, you can bring what ever facts you want, he will never budge. He did the same with the moon landing guest. he lives in his own bubble.

As a Iranian we always have a positive Idea about people's in U.S and country

I love this guest. He's knowledgeable and bright n has a great grasp of the FACTS.He is so entertaining and engaging. Soooo refreshing. I'm thinking of buying "An American Martyr in Persia" . "Make America Great, Again" ....Persian-style lol

As a Venezuelan I empathize with the Iranian situation. It's frustrating to see that any effort by the international community only makes the regime stronger.

@WhitePillPC

Жыл бұрын

"Iternational Community" being a handful of Nations with no choice but to agree with the US and UK regimes, a handful out of 214 countries and territories. It's such a term of delusion.

@kamran5756

Жыл бұрын

It's because they're designed that way..

@kamran5756

Жыл бұрын

It's not exactly like that.. In fact when talking UK and Russia you're talking about the one and only true conflict which has been constantly for about 2 centuries.. except for 4 occasions in which they made an alliance all of whom involves Iran at its center.. the WWI, WWII, Iran Nuclear Program and the 2020 events.. But you got one thing right which is that the US is the younger BIGGER brother of the UK

@kamran5756

Жыл бұрын

The $150B was to provide the regime with immunity against an upcoming Trump administration...

@asabovesobelow591

Жыл бұрын

Not related to this video but since you're Venezuelan Ever watch the show Hunting Hitler on the history channel? Just got through watching 3 seasons and was surprised about how many Nazis ended up in Venezuela, Uruguay, and some other places in South America. As well as how many leaders supported them. It's even a possibility Hitler ended up there himself. Ever hear about any of that or know any Germans that their families came around the 1940s??? Also makes me wonder if that's why America was involved in coups in South America. That led to the governments being overthrown.

I'm Swedish and I've been to many Muslim countries. I have met NOTHING but great people. I can understand that both in Christianity and Muslims there are people who are bad, but I've had nothing but good encounters.

@Patriot12985

8 ай бұрын

If you mean Iran as a Muslim country, for westerns who don't know anything outside of Europe or America, Iran is Islamic country but not a single Islamic country consider Iran as a Islamic nation, you know what they call Iranians ? "Shias" or " fire worshipers" because of ancient Iranian religion was "Zartosht", Iranians consider themselves as Iranians not Muslims.

@Unshack1edAR

8 ай бұрын

You’re always welcome, bro. Es ssalam alaikum ❤️

@Vikotnick

8 ай бұрын

@@Unshack1edAR Thank you my friend! I'm going to Dubai in April again and I am as always looking forward to it!

@pingpong1465

8 ай бұрын

@@Patriot12985nobody says that, stop lying and iranians are muslims, yes there are a large number of iranians who are secularists but still people are muslims so don’t lie

@bastianbezon2687

7 ай бұрын

@@pingpong1465 no, iranians are mostly atheist

Patrick did not present a good argument in this debate. Also, the point that the guest (Reza) was making is very much in line with what most expert in this field will tell you, that is, the sanctions have hurt the people of Iran significantly more so than its government.

He see the tip of the iceberg As a Iranian I believe he is a navie intelligent man It's not possible to change this idiot government with showing other governments how beneficial can be democratic Iran P.S I'm proud of you Patrick because of concern you have about your nation in peak of life

I love it! Two grown men talking, disagreeing passionately and fearlessly and without losing their temper! Both are gentleman of the first degree! It's been a long time fellows. Thank you. I thought you and those like you, except for me of course, had moved back to mars.

@richardsarabi2064

7 ай бұрын

Your telling me you think Rezacdid not lose his temper? He absolutely did, and for good reason. This Patrick guy needs his head checked. He's an insurance salesman (wow) telling an educated man with lots of high level political consultancy experience that he is naive! This Patrick is what we in Iran call tokhmeh sag!

@richardsarabi2064

7 ай бұрын

Patrick is an idiot, blathering on about give weapons to Iranian people, as if they would form an army and march on majlis! You live in a Hollywood movie Patrick! Again, I refer you to what America was sanctioning Cuba for SIXTY YEARS and Castro NEVER FELL! Get help, Patrick Khan! More like ahmaq Khan!!!

@marksauck3399

7 ай бұрын

Didn’t we use that same logic long ago with China? Saturate the country with capitalism and the communists regime will melt away. How’s that idea working now?

@2hcobda2

7 ай бұрын

5:44. 7:15 "Breaking bad! Foul mouthed parrot banned....."

@richardsarabi2064

7 ай бұрын

You sure you aren't still there!? They very well did lose their cool, MARTIAN.

3 hour episode needed!

Heard this exact same conversation since I was a kid. And I understand Reza being irritated and anxious, as someone wrote. Talking to someone who's not as bright as he think he is, is really tuff. Especially when that person dosen't bring any insight, facts or solutions to the table. Your intellect is not being entertained but your patience and mood is. ❤Aslan

@KevinMartin-yy9wv

21 күн бұрын

REzan won the conversation , Patrick was alwasy fanatic in his approach he seems to be radical terorrist

@obakshah7540

20 күн бұрын

​​@@KevinMartin-yy9wv He's not educated in the matter, or in general. He's not knowledgeable, he's not that bright. He paints pictures with broad strokes. Pictures based on fear and what ifs.. Which is a great recepie for extremism. That's what one should expect when knowledge is replaced with prejudice and bias. I belive he's views have partly been inherited by his parents/enviroment and partly are a result of indoctrination and trying to fit in with the strong, stupid, American government stance in the matter. It all boils down to ignorance.

3:34 Am I the only one who noticed what PBD did right here? 😏 stopped short and had the other guy say it lol

This is hilarious. I've never seen Patrick be irrational, which I believe he is being here. The Iranian in him definitely comes out in this interview.

@Jon_Izzy

Жыл бұрын

The Iranian in him? Lol what type of comment is that

@navytanutrof1823

Жыл бұрын

He is extremely irrational today. SMH. I didn't understand his argument.

@tecumseh4095

Жыл бұрын

@@Jon_Izzy He’s Iranian! There is nothing American about him

@Steamerbeen

Жыл бұрын

@@Jon_Izzy the arab in him them.

@exsanlife4125

Жыл бұрын

He's so Iranian

What a fun discussion to observe. Don’t know a ton about Iranian politics, but it’s a good thing they live in America and can discuss these things freely

why does he cut off his guest?

@alphapablo3514

Ай бұрын

PBD is horrible Look at him on JRE Look at him freak out about BLM because people said said Jan 6 was violent

Thank you Mr Patrick❤❤❤

13:51 Surprised to see Patrick playing chequers whilst Reza is playing chess. Pat is usually so level headed. Obviously not regarding Iran!

@MC_heart4

Жыл бұрын

@Regis Johnson you are aware the nuclear deal was solely founded on the hope (lol) that a country that kill women for not wearing a burka corrrectly would liberalize and not want a nuclear weapon after like 15 years of trade and exposure to western media. The deal was not in perpetuity, it had an end date, at this end date Iran would have more money, knowledge, and scientist - after china failed to liberalize, you are really saying a further extreme Iran would do so in less time?

@rayal4395

Жыл бұрын

@TechDeck your comment got blocked by YT, I can see it though. You’re absolutely spot on!

@diogenes.

Жыл бұрын

He's a featherweight ,he knows nothing about the history of things ,i mean basic historical facts you get from reading ..

@MC_heart4

Жыл бұрын

@Regis Johnson believe me, I know sanctions do not work. And neither will “liberalization” (most societies view the west as decadence and collapsing) There are two options, either “we” (the United States military) make it so they are not nuclearly armed, or we allow the leaders of the nation to pursue what they deem is correct and hope that mutual assured destruction still works (as it has for 70 years) I am in the latter camp

@mahamadoudiallo589

Жыл бұрын

He is too emotional invested in this subject. lol

As an Ethiopian, this reminds me of the conversations that the old heads have debating whether Haile Sellasie's Empire, Derg's socialist junta, or Woyane's "pluralistic democracy" were the best conditions of living. I love these type of conversations man. Whichever side you're on, you can't deny that these two love Iran very much just like those countless old heads I heard in these restaurants.

@zeus4354

10 ай бұрын

How do they love Iran if they want it to become a vassal of America?

@richytaylor5401

10 ай бұрын

Ethiopia would be a richer and safer place today if Haile Selassie was never murdered in secret during the coup of 1974

@La_ilaha_illallah__

10 ай бұрын

As an Ethiopian what is your opinion regarding these debates? If you had to decide which standard of living was better for those involved then who amongst the men you've stated was the most favored among the masses?

@zeus4354

10 ай бұрын

@@La_ilaha_illallah__ i do like the debates, thats why i watch the channel But this debate is problematic First these guys have to decide,are they Iranians or are they Americans? after they figure it out, then their discussion has some meaning

@La_ilaha_illallah__

10 ай бұрын

@@zeus4354 i appreciate your take on the matter , stay blessed

"Two Iranian Jews talking about the future of Iran, one (the host) hoping to arm Iranians to kill other Iranians!" This pretty much sums it up.

It's unfortunate how little they listened to each other... Polarising the other's argument just prevents a good dialogue

Anytime someone is this emotional I immediately see red flags lol

@imhiLARRYous

Жыл бұрын

Same goes to all the btc pumpers that get emotional about bAnKinG tHe uNBaNkeD in Africa 🤡

@Citizens4DefenseLLC

Жыл бұрын

Liberalism is a mental disorder

@majedtaleb3944

Жыл бұрын

Pat was really emotional here which blocked his brain from functioning

@Eldrad235

Жыл бұрын

This is a super emotional topic guys Just be greatfull you've been lucky to be born in the west.

@Roger-il8iw

Жыл бұрын

@@majedtaleb3944 I did not find pat to be the emotional one in this debate

i am empathetic and good at negotiating...but it rly is hard on me. i envy you guys for making it look so easy! Great show and conversation.

perhaps the two largest revolutions that have had the largest influence on the world's stage, did not have external influence to kick off the beginning of either revolutions.

This was fun.. Watch 2 guys that what exakt same thing and think the way to get is is the same fight each other how is right..

He ended up being more of a realist in the last few minutes. Patrick should give him time to show any plan. Seemed to cut him off. I WANT TO SEE MORE.

@popo12920

Жыл бұрын

Reza works for Islamic Republic. Good.

As a Serbian, this is very similar to my Serbian friend debating my Croatian friend on the Yugoslavian war

@reginak9507

8 ай бұрын

10000%

At my first job out of high school, 80% of the people I worked with and my boss were from Iran. Beautiful people.

When a person has to curse to prove a point, you know they are reaching

PBD has no winning argument and he knows that so he plays the loud voice interrupt technique and calling his opponent naive 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@ckcharlie56

Жыл бұрын

Facts, that’s literally all he does in every single interview

@nostalgia545

Жыл бұрын

Really Reza Aslan only cusses

It seems to me like it is the first time I have seen PBD lost his cool and not listen to someone. Big topic for Patrick and I 100% get it. But you both were talking alone at one point. Hope Iran will find a way to topple this hellbent regime.

@aqe7914

Жыл бұрын

Yup agreed

@pakistanculture3153

Жыл бұрын

Hope the indoctrinated citizens in the west will find a way to topple their secular liberal everchanging moral regime

My shop neighbor is Armenian, and he said everything under the shah was way better. Also, my best friend's dad and uncles as well. They got to go to school and become engineers under the shah. After the shah fell they had to escape Iran.

This is a very interesting argument. As an Iranian that's lived in the west my whole life, I can understand both sides of the spectrum. The underlying argument here is that if there are negotiations done in good faith it will eventually force the Iranian regime to modernize. Patrick is saying that this is not possible due to the nature of IR of Iran, and I agree.

Y’all need an episode specifically on Iran! This was awesome

I am a girl living in Iran, and I completely agree with PBD. I mean, what is the other guy talking about? It sounds silly and hilarious to me. It's nice to hear someone actually talk about what Iranians need and want. Well said, PBD. Much respect from Iran.🙏🏻🙏🏻🟢⚪️🔴

@hotshot5186

Ай бұрын

That's the problem with youth of Iran today, They don't have no idea about Iran brutal history and just supports the same U.S.A who put them in this mess. Honestly that's makes me don't wanna support you people

This was great! I know very little to nothing about the history and current governmentql body of Iran and to hear two Iranian born men speak about the historical and current problems there has been enlightening. This is why I love PBD podcast! A very emotional but respectful debate. I know other Westerners feel the same especially when I say freedom and love to the people of Iran forever and ever✊

@fwfeo

7 ай бұрын

PBD is as clueless as any American about foreign affairs!

@Stevewatson3

7 ай бұрын

@@fwfeohow so?

@DarrellC.

6 ай бұрын

@@Stevewatson3simply because he disagrees, nothing factual. 😂

@elizabethwilk9615

6 ай бұрын

This guy dropping his f bombs trying to seem tough 😂

@ruru991

6 ай бұрын

Aslan works with NIAC ( LOBBIEST FOR TYRANNICAL REGIME ) shed on that guy , he is hated by our people

The truth of history is safer than lies 🙏

David is a good speaker. I like listening to his program.

PBD: btw Hitler and Mussolini who was better Me: Neither PBD: How dare you pick Mussolini

@anthonypai6127

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha..very funny

@cakepie3484

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that question was a bit absurd. I usually end up agreeing with PBD, but I honestly felt like he didn't do well in this one episode, and that was my "hol' up" moment with him

@InspectorYT

Жыл бұрын

😅

@Arvy565

Жыл бұрын

Shah and Khomeini are not like Hitler and Mussolini Shah was more like Ben Salman or Sheikhs of UAE and Khomeini was like Ben Laden and Hitler

We are already in the big crash , inflation is a catastrophe. This CPI report is a colossal failure. To bring the housing market to a halt,the FED will have to pull all the stops . The unfortunate issues is that the other market are being decimated. If you want to stay green ,you have to rely on a lot of diversification. Currently up 15% and being carful. Still a better deal than leaving it in a savings or checking account yielding 0-1 percent interest.

@doragary3717

Жыл бұрын

People believe their currency has the worth it does because they have no other options. Even in a hyper-inflationary environment , individuals must continue to use their hyper-inflationary currency since they likely have minimal access to other currencies or gold /silver coins.

@chrispaul3778

Жыл бұрын

How can I reach out to this coach? Because I’m seeking for a more effective investment approach how good is this person at portfolio diversification, particularly with regards to digital assets?

@chrispaul3778

Жыл бұрын

She appears to be well-educated and well-read I ran a google search on her name and came across her website; Thank You for sharing.

Thank you Patrick

PBD has brains.... Reza Aslan literally ate human brains.

I loved hearing them talk about revisit in Iran. You can see the hunger for such a visit ❤

@KevinMartin-yy9wv

21 күн бұрын

nobody cares what american think about iran .. they have lots of resources beautiful country leave them alone they will take care ..better USA focus on thier internal mess issues

As an IranianI I find it interesting that both of these guys have left Iran many years ago when they were only a kid and when the population of the country was 1/3 of what it is now. Lower poulation always means more facility richer people, less problems etc. For example we only have almost ten million Afghan refugees living in the country so the situation is very different from what they have in their minds. By the way I find Reza more reasonable in this debate. The problem with PBD is he thinks very idealistic and he forgets the fact that the country is heavily surrounded by Isis, Taliban, Al Qaeda etc. Any revolution or instability of the country can lead to a HUGE disaster for ordinary people. These terrorist groups did not exist when he left Iran and the situation was totally different. Also he thinks only the Clergies(Akhounds) in Iran are morons and deceitful and the American politicians are Saints and honestly I dont think so.

@eddiedehkordi4639

8 ай бұрын

I agree with you fully! Where I lost respect for PBD, was when he pleaded to the Israeli government to start flooding Iran with weapons about a year ago during the protests. It’s not like he hasn’t seen what happened to Lydia and Syria. What he proposed would lead to millions of deaths and I’d never forgive him for that absolutely stupid plea! So there.

@WinnipegTouristDept

8 ай бұрын

You don't have sympathy that he lives and works in a slave state of the jews, and he works in a jew-dominated biz?

@colinroach7815

8 ай бұрын

Patrick is an instigator, he not only "Capitalist", he is an Imperialist as well. The USA, Britain destroyed Iran is the early days, Iran does not have a history within the past 200 hundred years to be sailing or riding across the world, enslaving people, committing genocide, annihilations, assassinating leaders, overthrowing administrations, stealing resources and filing their greedy pockets etc. The Shah is no one to speak of. Had not for the West, they would not be having this discussion. Patrick has no standing in opposition of Iran, or support for the USA, his position bias and hypocritically misplaced. The Nuclear programme, Iraq and Libya are good reasons why N. Korea hold on to their weapons because, if they destroy them, NATO will be at their doors.

@JKTProductionzIncNCo

8 ай бұрын

@@eddiedehkordi4639 Really when did he do that?

@eddiedehkordi4639

8 ай бұрын

@@JKTProductionzIncNCo The very first few weeks of the unrests last year. I listened to his program and I couldn’t believe my ears. Lost all respect.

this thing made a good circle around

Very similar to the cuba conversation