It is both frightening and sad to listen to an obviously intelligent guy fight his own intelligence so hard because somebody told him to.

@AKAtAGG

2 жыл бұрын

I would disagree that this guy is intelligent. He was clearly an officer.

@theworldaccordingto4555

2 жыл бұрын

I also disagree, he is not the sharpest tool in the box. He is also quite obviously a brainwashed Tory sympathiser and will do as he is told by his perceived betters. If this idiot had his way it would be a race to the bottom and poverty wages for everyone other than the ruling classes.

@PedroConejo1939

2 жыл бұрын

@Tom M - that is what I felt as I listened to it. I thought O'Brien handled him very well, far better than he would have got had he been a railway worker on the line to one of the other hacks commenting on this story. He was so close to getting the point and might go away and think about what just happened, and I hope he does.

@suzyqualcast6269

2 жыл бұрын

Commissioned officer to boot !!

@starmersbarber

2 жыл бұрын

@@AKAtAGG I couldn't agree more sticky. I heard this live this morning and was noting just how mindless this guy was portraying himself as. A reasonably well spoken voice doesn't guarantee natural brains...look at the likes of Rees-Mogg and Duncan Donuts (another army person)...both achingly idiotic!

The caller is an example of someone so internally conflicted by a barrage of gaslighting and misdirection over the years that he would inadvertently vote Tory because "it's better the devil you know".

@marciawalters7528

2 жыл бұрын

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

@keldsleepnot7961

2 жыл бұрын

Totally. And there are far too many people in this position.

@ahab6969

2 жыл бұрын

Nope, the devil you know is still the devil (inherenly evil) - and the enemy of my enemy might still become my enemy as well ! Folksy proverbs are much too simplistic in this world or confusion. Yes it turned for land of confusion (selling england by .....) to world - in just 30 something years .... As funny as those spitting image puppets were at the time (Ronnie and Maggie), comedy/satire and reality became more and more and seem to be indistinguishable today.

@mankydave67

2 жыл бұрын

Yup - total victim speak!! It’s a shame what happened to the caller but his mentality was toxic and victim speak, all the time.

@lauralishes1

2 жыл бұрын

It's absolutely disgraceful that anyone wouldn't support unions amd workers democratic right to strike. People are so brainwashed by the likes of the Daily Fail. There is no party worse than the Tories. Everything is worse under the Tories absolutely everything, from the NHS, education, pay, poverty, workers rights, democracy. Anything you can think of, it's far worse. 13 years of misery and decay is enough. I'm going by own eyes not what the Tory media try and brainwash into believing and I've noticed a huge decline in this country under the Tories.

Another example of “I’ve struggled, so so should you”. The way James handles these calls is truly extraordinary. He isn’t setting traps like they often suggest. He’s just letting them contradict themselves.

@jim-es8qk

Жыл бұрын

The are aware the public pay large amounts of taxes for these services?

@cardwitch91

Жыл бұрын

The reason it hits so hard is that James completely throws him off by showing empathy, rather than blaming him for holding a faulty decision. He tells him, no, you should have had the right to union protection. That’s why it hits so hard.

"If you suffered in life and want other people to suffer as you did because "you turned out fine," you did not in fact turn out fine."

This has become the British definition of fairness, "drag everyone else down to my level".

@comanchio1976

2 жыл бұрын

I have to admit that, I allowed myself to succumb to that mindset some years ago. Embarrassing. Advocating a race to the bottom...

@TheRenegadeMonk

2 жыл бұрын

@@comanchio1976 welcome back to the light.

@AD-df5tm

2 жыл бұрын

It's not just Britain, sadly. You hear this same mindset all over. It's the same old antiwelfare argument from Reagan's days."

@benowen8321

2 жыл бұрын

Socialist programs Literally are that. Take from the rich and give to the poor.

@domhuckle

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly - the powerful and the rich must be in stitches listening to this play out

Why is it so hard for us, as humans, to say “actually you’re right, fair enough” We can’t be right 100% of the time

@k.t.5405

2 жыл бұрын

dude, 75 million Americans voted in 2020 KNOWING they were in the "wrong" 😒

@TinyPlaysGames

2 жыл бұрын

Ego and vanity

@kierensmith1312

2 жыл бұрын

Someone tell James that !

@gmansid3576

2 жыл бұрын

Paul almost relented in his views a few times there, but his army officer /Tory stamped DNA will never let him conceive of being wrong. Reverted to pathetic Daily Heil whataboutary in the end.

@taranullius9221

2 жыл бұрын

@@gmansid3576 Daily Heil. That's a new one for me! Like it.

"That is an argument for paying doctors more, not paying drivers less" - this is the difference between someone who gets it, and someone who doesn't. We all need better working conditions, and until workers from all walks of life support each other, things won't change

@ajpend

Жыл бұрын

Brilliant OP.

@TheSnoeedog

Жыл бұрын

without a whiff of sarcasm: *such poignance and insight.... in a remarkably concise package*

@gigameter

11 ай бұрын

Solidarity forever

100% jealous. As an officer work, I too am jealous that we are also not unionized and are stuck with measly 2-5% raises year after year. its insanity that common people are so complacent and agree with what government officials tell them, as they themselves rake in millions from these private companies and are so far removed from their constituents.

@darkangel9171

2 жыл бұрын

You get raises?

@IshtarNike

2 жыл бұрын

May I recommend looking into unions again and seeing if you can get other people at work to join. It had to start somewhere after all.

@charlesfowler4308

2 жыл бұрын

@@IshtarNike Unionising as member of the UK armed forces is illegal so if he's an officer it's not really an option.

@elcristoph7380

2 жыл бұрын

just going to throw this out their, but if you're not happy with your pay rise you can look for areas to specialize and get a new job.. many people do this..

@nuudelz3711

2 жыл бұрын

@@elcristoph7380 what an incredibly insightful piece of advise. I’m at my fourth company in 7 years I’ve already moved due to salary increases not keeping up with cost of living in my city never mind inflation. This isn’t the solution the solution is a more militant labour force not to let capital owners dictate the pay floor.

That is just such a great conversation. James wasn't positioning himself in opposition to the caller, he was arguing from a position of compassion. Powerful stuff. Impressive.

@Kate-ec1uy

2 жыл бұрын

He's a saint! He usually shows compassion even when it's not warranted

@davelee8107

2 жыл бұрын

@Andrew Campbell spot on , saint I could think of a different world to describe him.

@Kate-ec1uy

2 жыл бұрын

@Andrew Campbell T roll

@sk-so9dx

2 жыл бұрын

@Andrew Campbell found someone with Stockholm syndrome, please please please... get some help. You arent part of the 1% yet you fight as if cost of living crisis isnt a bad thing that affects us all

@FattyOn2Wheels

2 жыл бұрын

James and compassion is oxymoron he only has compassion for the train workers not the people who defend the country

"The question is why you don't think you deserve them [the legal protections]". This is really something. There's millions of people up and down this country who have been programmed into thinking they don't deserve better wages, they dont deserve better treatment, better standards of living etc. And when some industry tries to fight for those things, they beat them down. The people of this country are obsessed with self sabotage and self harm. Turning on each other instead of looking to where the money is actually going.

@telz4521

2 жыл бұрын

Amen to your words

@Jamie-nt3eh

2 жыл бұрын

It's called survival.

@billy1276

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jamie-nt3eh actually it's called propagandizes

@paulcuddy76

2 жыл бұрын

Spot on. Also, millions of people are suffering delusions of grandeur as to where they truly are on the social ladder, believing that a party that exists solely to benefit its wealthy members and donors exclusively can possibly serve them. There are millions of people with this mentality. Madness.

@23merlino

2 жыл бұрын

brainwashed by the right wing media and right wing politicians...

I found James' comment on "I think you deserve them too" incredibly disarming and genuine. It sounds like the caller doesn't understand what it is to be kind to yourself and extend that kindness to others. The perfect example of "stiff upper lip" through the armed forces and has clearly embodied that lesson many years into his civilian life and can't seem let go of that identity.

I feel sorry for the “Pauls” of this world and even more so for the people around him who have to deal with his selective hearing or difficulties acknowledging facts

@benowen8321

2 жыл бұрын

James never brought up any facts in this.

Governments must love people like this. they stand up for their employers and attack other workers.

@orsoncart1547

2 жыл бұрын

He's a whinging ''I'm not alright Jill' pole climbing cap doffer, and there's a lot of them about.

@sswwooppee

2 жыл бұрын

@@orsoncart1547 I don’t speak your flavor of slang. What does that mean?!

@notgarybrown

2 жыл бұрын

​@@sswwooppee Translation: He doesn't care about others because he's doing well for himself and frequently acquieses to those he perceives to be his betters.

@sswwooppee

2 жыл бұрын

@@notgarybrown thanks!

@orsoncart1547

2 жыл бұрын

@@sswwooppee look the words up then you lazy dimlow, do you get the gist of that?

“I haven’t had a pay rise for 8 years”. So what? What’s the relevance? It’s not a race to the bottom. We should all be bringing each other up

@byrnemeister2008

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed. Poor argument. Maybe he wasn’t brave enough to ask or to change jobs. Maybe he owns his own company and the business is just not profitable enough. Who knows. But this begged my neighbour mindset is profoundly depressing and one of the biggest causes of the Great Depression. You would think we had left that behind.

@Ian_Carolan

2 жыл бұрын

It's the crab bucket mentality on show for all to see.

@maverikk521

2 жыл бұрын

Context is a lot though, some people could be happy withouth a payrise if they were on £100k a year. Those on average/below average have slowly suffered more and more, but the caller gets it all wrong as he feels others should suffer like he has.

@shaunclubberlang2887

2 жыл бұрын

No, that's the point for him. Envy all the way.

@ryuhassan6910

2 жыл бұрын

What gives the right of these going on strike by forcing other people unable to go to work and losing their jobs. Just because they can go on strike. A lot of jobs tell you if you late at least 3 times you are sacked. In the end people will no longer end up using a train.

I work in the utility sector, we have a union and they negotiate new terms/pay every 3-4 years with our employer and what they have managed to get me and my colleagues in the last 8 years has been phenomenal. Everyone needs a union, we deserve to be treated like humans, never let our employer take advantage, without us they would not survive.

As a 19 y/o Cadet he wished he had had more support yet he hates the Unions who are giving a 19 year old Railway worker support. Life is swings and roundabouts. Move on.

Stunning clip. It’s not a race to the bottom. Well done the RMT.

@endgame6494

2 жыл бұрын

@@ebillyboi RMT isn't funded by the government, it's funded by its members. That 16 billion went to train operating company share holders not the railway. This information is publicly available.

@billandben5998

2 жыл бұрын

Back in your box.

@Security848

2 жыл бұрын

people that dont use trains obviously support these loopy lefties

@robrossington7118

2 жыл бұрын

@@ebillyboi Bell End.

I wish Paul all the best in his career at The Daily Mail.

@MrMessiah44

2 жыл бұрын

Savage. Spot on ,made my day. Thanks.

@sallystrutt6715

2 жыл бұрын

Love it

@daisyhoward5472

2 жыл бұрын

At the rate he's going he'd be paying THEM to work there.

It is disappointing that so many people insist on others' life to be as miserable as their own or more so.

I've never heard someone jump through so many hoops to go from complaining about having been unfairly dismissed, to defending that dismissal just because his original point was completely dismantled in front of him.

@bosambo

2 жыл бұрын

It seems the man is hellbent on not being a victim, which is fine when trying to avoid being exploited in future, but this one seems to have extended that to denying past exploitation happened or is a problem. It's barmy.

I am a Tanker Driver and I am a member of Unite. I would never not be in a Union as a ruthless employer can basically do whatever they like and you have no recourse to protect your livelihood. The biggest crime here is that Unions are being portrayed as the bad guys. They are brilliant and give fantastic support to their members. I am 100% behind the Railway Unions.

@elaineedgar2913

2 жыл бұрын

I am 82 and have joined UNITE! Just to support them.

@granite676

2 жыл бұрын

I'm 56 now and been in various industries and the first thing I do is find out which union the sector is in and join that union. Bosses can be complete and utter ar..h0les at times and behave like selfish little kids that want ALL the toffees for themselves. They forget they're employing your services and paying you for it so you can house feed clothe and pay your bills but they seem to forget this fact and think only they matter in the equation nevermind your giving the best part of your waking hours of the day to HELP them grow their business so you ALL benefit. Greedy bosses are rife nowadays because they take their cues from those higher up and those in power who leach off us all.

@scooby1992

2 жыл бұрын

I work in the NHS and also tell people to join a union as you never know when you will get into trouble and need free legal advice . Which unions provide .

@Musicienne-DAB1995

2 жыл бұрын

I think in a dangerous job like that, unionisation is necessary.

@fifiadan

2 жыл бұрын

Not in every job though or everybody would be in a union

Literally had first hand experience of being shafted by an employer due to having no workers rights but still believes that the Unions should have less powers to protect said rights. Seriously what are people on in this country?.

@danteshydratshirt2360

2 жыл бұрын

the guy joined the armed forces which lets face it does NOT attract the brighttest

@christopherbell2091

2 жыл бұрын

In Oz the slow decline in unions has seen the rise in lower and less payrises for years while profit margins have climbed steadily and wage theft has also increased

@ne16region63

2 жыл бұрын

@@christopherbell2091 media & governments manage to convince enough people that they are on their side and the people fighting for your rights are the enemy.

@1man1bike1road

2 жыл бұрын

sheep

@steve00alt70

2 жыл бұрын

Did you join a union?

Having served in the military myself, I can confirm that officers have their heads completely in the clouds 99% of the time. Explains this guys opinion.

@fatwalletboy2

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe but he was using it as his argument against rail workers.

@BM-lw6gn

2 жыл бұрын

Word Rupert springs to mind

To listen to the guy say he built his life around a career in the Army and say 5 mins later "they threw you out"... that's brutal on a whole new level.

“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.” ― George Orwell, 1984

@lastdimestudios

2 жыл бұрын

Boom 🤯 you need more likes on this comment!!!

@JoeGlobalGatherer

2 жыл бұрын

Scary how accurate 1984 is.

@TheVerticalDave

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoeGlobalGatherer Almost as if it was instruction manual rather than a critique

@Darkstarr-ud2go

2 жыл бұрын

Sums this callers situation …. Lost …

@davidmcgeady6778

2 жыл бұрын

Marvellous!

The last gasp defence of someone losing an argument is whataboutery. This caller"s ludicrous analogy about the surgeon perfectly examplifies this. James is right - he's just jealous

@qubitmusictechnology

2 жыл бұрын

yes he is a mad and jealous gammon who needs to put a soothing ring of delmonte pineapple on his head to cool down. You can't have a well done gammon without pineapple.............

@firefox5926

2 жыл бұрын

sounds to me that paul need a union...

@SmashAllah

2 жыл бұрын

Toxy Ideology, always a race to the bottom.

@stevenbox4523

2 жыл бұрын

Why is the analogy ludicrous?

@SmashAllah

2 жыл бұрын

​@@stevenbox4523 The analogy of jealousy/Toxy race to the bottom says if the young Doctors are being underpaid, use this to justify underpaying Train drivers and all other jobs. Three things that the Toxy party stand for; 1, Never look at what a company can afford to pay, 2. Never consider what is fair, 3.Never share profits with company's"most important resource". Look up the way the union movement was set up. The short version- To challenge the Toxy parties race to the bottom.

During my two year Military National Service in the UK, I have not forgotten when I was told during that; "You do not think, we think for you!"

This bloke backtracking on the idea of being exploited himself is a real-time demonstration of the formation of the working class conservative mindset.

I must admit...the brief pause he took to consider the accusation of jealousy, and the absence of any temper tantrum gives me hope that this chap does actually have a brain and will come to a more realistic conclusion given time.

@heathermarsh8757

2 жыл бұрын

He's not getting it !

@twowardrobeswardrobes1536

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think so. He just didn’t have a retort. He’ll just go away and try and find a sound bite he can use in response.

@LeonRamkumar

2 жыл бұрын

He does not sound unreasonable, it's great that an argument like this can play out without tempers flaring.

@SRB28

2 жыл бұрын

just when you think he might be getting there, he whips another Daily Mail headline out of his back pocket..... indoctrination runs deep.

@jimlogic549

2 жыл бұрын

He’s sunk his whole life into justifying the actions of his betters, to admit he’s wrong now would be to admit his whole life is a lie, his mind will do anything to avoid that.

Is he Jealous or is he in denial of the fact that he was taken advantage of? it was kinda sad listening to him defend his employers who took advantage of him by blaming himself.

@keldsleepnot7961

2 жыл бұрын

I think both. And added to that there appears to be an inability to learn from experience. He was basically saying that he is still being treated the same way as when he was in the forces.

@johnwhite6346

2 жыл бұрын

Victim mentalitu

@araweelospirit4180

2 жыл бұрын

“Country to it’s knees”?!?! 😂😂😂 bruh, where the 🤬 are we NOW??? Where are we now?

@maxpowerii7368

2 жыл бұрын

I’m flabbergasted at the idea of a British military officer complaining about been binned off by the military (which typically happens to most junior officers anyway since senior officer positions are limited). When it comes to the armed forces veterans I feel sorry for it’s more likely to be the working class 18 year olds who were made triple amputees following the orders of men like this.

Once I saw on the news about all these strikes I was fuming. Then I stopped and thought about it and all the unfairness of things and in the space of 2 mins I completely changed my mind. This country is heading for a clash between the classes, and the underdog needs to win it.

if we all acted like this man we would all be living in absolute poverty.

@missd2657

2 жыл бұрын

If we all acted like this man, we would have have no maternity pay, no paid annual leave, no sick pay. How do workers who indulge in all these rights think they got them? Through the workers before us that fought for them. Just a few days ago Liz Truss made it clear she wanted to cut public sector pay. Yes, she denied it a couple of hours after she was caught out, but make no mistake, this is the plan going forward. Jacob Rees Mogg calls 'flexi- work', 'part time work for full time pay'. So all you people who do flexi hours and are probably do more hours then you used to do, he thinks you're lazy. You don't have to like Kier Starmer, you just have to know that he won't be taking away what the Conservative government consider your 'privileges' .

@winninglifeyo

Жыл бұрын

@@missd2657 You would be America!

@Tom-iv3nd

Жыл бұрын

Yep what this guy is running is a race to the bottom.

@Chas605

Жыл бұрын

That's the Torys for ya!

As an RMT member and proud patriot, I feel badly for the man. He was taken advantage of, and he deserves a pay rise.

@michaelcoward1902

2 жыл бұрын

he absolutely was...the things that the army expects private soldiers to do for what is barely over minimum wage is utterly disgusting...especially when you consider what those monsters like Blackwater get paid for doing the same thing (albeit in a much more barbaric and cartoonishly evil way).

@Security848

2 жыл бұрын

lynch has face that says slap me

@paulfoot9230

2 жыл бұрын

@@Security848 Yes troll

@train_blabber

2 жыл бұрын

Taken advantage of by society as a whole I would say. A couple of exploitative employers alone cannot be enough to result in Stockholm syndrome as acute as this. The idea that people from certain backgrounds should shut up and know their place is so ingrained in British culture that many people probably don't realise how insane and toxic it is.

@everready2903

2 жыл бұрын

He doesn't want one! He thinks junior Doctors get paid enough and train drivers need to get less.

The caller has been gas lit by the media and politicians and still unable to reconcile the his. contradictions.

@telz4521

2 жыл бұрын

one of many sheep

@stephanguitar9778

2 жыл бұрын

Brainwashed tory voters have the ability to hold two totally conflicting opinions at the same time and end up voting against their own very real needs in favour of the mega rich and big corporations and tory handouts to cronies, ie corruption.

@TigerP1

2 жыл бұрын

@@telz4521 And bots

@RossKempOnYourMum01

2 жыл бұрын

And by his time in the forces

A perfect example of Cognitive dissonance Just listen to the long pause when asked what else can the union do.

@alwesty6813

2 жыл бұрын

The union can’t do anything. Might as well stop paying them and organise the strike with your work mates. Save yourself £20 a month

@joperhop

2 жыл бұрын

@@alwesty6813 unions have done alot ;) just morons ignore it so they can bleet BS they read in muroch media.

@themagictheatre2965

5 ай бұрын

@@alwesty6813 Yeah save yourself that money, licking boot is completely free! Unless you count the cost of your dignity. Which I'm guessing you don't.

7:55 is the Penny drop moment for him. This amount of compassion coming from his perceived enemy shakes him.

I had 30 + years in the rail industry and I am amazed by these people who think they know all about the people in the industry. However I have not heard anyone yet mention the basic income of a track worker which is on average £22,000 per annum?

@tompoynton

2 жыл бұрын

bUt iTS aBoUt THe dRiVErS

@englanduk6131

2 жыл бұрын

@jim Cartner......in London its £40,000 but regardless of that try and get a job on British rail!... You've no chance, that's how badly their treated!!!!

@Paul-ws8lh

2 жыл бұрын

@@englanduk6131 clearly you are an expert on the subject. Apart from the massive error you made. British rail haven’t existed for about 30 years. So I wouldn’t take your word for the salary being 40k either

@wondrous1663

2 жыл бұрын

@@tompoynton The drivers are not currently striking

@wondrous1663

2 жыл бұрын

@@englanduk6131 Track workers in London do not earn nowhere near £40000.

He was an officer at 19. So I'd imagine he was already quite well off. Not many Ruperts from council estates.

You gotta hand it to the tories, they have gotten spinning the narrative down to a fine art... And the end result is millions of people like this caller who are angry because other people are daring to demand better. The question shouldn't be why are the rail workers striking - the question should be, why arent you?

This is powerful and so accurate. James, you nailed this one.

Imagine rationalizing your mistreatment at the hands of your employer, by saying "well, stuff changes, and I have to adapt to my employer treating me like disposable garbage".

@exdoode

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂 that's precisely what he is saying

@blenderbanana

2 жыл бұрын

Despite what James hopes; this caller IS garbage

@benowen8321

2 жыл бұрын

Spoken like someone who has never ran a business or created a job.

@blenderbanana

2 жыл бұрын

@@benowen8321 That is an ad hominem. Your inferrence is baseless (Unless you know this man?), and irrelevant to the topic of this thread.

@benowen8321

2 жыл бұрын

@@blenderbanana What a pointless reply

Thank you James O'Brien for speaking the truth & calling out the Hypocrites.

@vereferreus5262

2 жыл бұрын

Well, the guy was an officer in the Royal Army. Did you expect anything else? In the dutch forces there is a union. And it works. Ok, striking is not allowed but there are more methods.

@davelee8107

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for giving me a laugh James £59,000 for train drivers more than enough. 100% against the strikes.

@sjacrane

2 жыл бұрын

James belongs to the most hypocritical side of the political divide.

Thanks for carefully educating this man, James. Sadly, the caller was taken advantage of. He deserved better especially for his service. Sad.

Hurt people hurt people, as the expression says. We wear our traumas as a badge of honor and forget that our attachment to our own pain makes us subconsciously inflict it on others. I'm willing to suffer any inconvenience due to a worker strike. Every worker deserves protection. James handles this with so much compassion.

Doesn't this guy know that the country is already on it's knees, due to his Tory Government ? Also if he was an officer in the armed forces he had a lot more privileges than the lower ranks !

@chatham43

2 жыл бұрын

....it's on its knees because of Covid lockdown which Labour supported.......you numpty.....

@franksheekey8096

2 жыл бұрын

@@chatham43 Hey, It's a sad Brexiter, trying as usual to shift the blame from his beloved Boris, his great leader, who's made the UK a World laughing stock, and although your denying reality, is still waiting for that herd of Unicorns to come over the rainbow, you PLONKER !

Another masterclass by James O B in getting a valid point across.

@Security848

2 жыл бұрын

are you a loopy leftie or dont you use trains or both

@Manchesterlad85

2 жыл бұрын

He definitely is a master when it comes to this. No way I could articulate my point while simultaneously destroying so well.

@Security848

2 жыл бұрын

@@Manchesterlad85 he's a master moaner.

@bighands69

2 жыл бұрын

When do commies get valid points across. The very Unions that claim to represent the workers go along with the Labour Party. The Unions will strike against the Conservative party and the moment Labour are in power they will not strike even though work conditions and economic conditions are effectively the same and in many cases worse.

@uncle0eric

2 жыл бұрын

So you think the catastrophic consequences are wholly the responsibility of the unions? None on the other side?

Well done Sir. PRECISELY!!!!. WE WILL NEVER GIVE UP ON OUR RIGHTS AS WORKING CLASS PEOPLE TO STRIKE.

It always comes out in the end... well done for yet again exposing the internal conflict and hypocrisy on this caller's position

Yes as James said millions of jealous people will harm working class people like themselves rather than let their peers be treated fairly as they are not

A prime example of the crab at the bottom of the bucket. Sees another crab trying to make it's way up to escape and grabs its legs and pulls it down again.

Wow! Brilliantly done James. He will come around when he's alone and the conversation sinks in.

Sadly this happens all the time. People are exploited or gate-kept and have to fight to get to where they are. We see many inspiring stories of people who have overcome and then spend their time trying to make sure that the problems they faced don't affect others. But equally there are so many more people who think "well I had to do all these things to get to where I am, why can't others do it too?". It's sad and selfish and ultimately only ever benefits the people who caused the problems in the first place. i.e. - the employers who exploited you.

This is the kind of person that contributes to society getting worse. It's the whole idea of "I didn't have it, so why should they" but they are so in denial of it they can't see it clearly. Instead of that bs, it should be "I didn't have this support and representation, but I must help the next generation so they could have what I didn't" I bet his stance would be a lot different if he had a son/daughter working for the railways or the NHS and had the first hand experience of seeing them struggle. The lack of empathy baffles me.

That was absolutely brilliant. So many people need to have that conversation in this country. His resistance was futile and I think the penny dropped , even if he won't admit it. High five James!

James is the most intelligent negotiator of a conversation, he makes this caller sound ridiculous, he’s arguing against a point he agrees with

My life was affected by a rogue employer in Germany in 2000. I got in touch with the Trade Union that I had not joined because I had just moved from the UK. They were as helpful as they could be, but couldn't actively support me. I won a case in the Labour Tribunal three years later and was awarded around £10K. The company shut down and I had spent £3K on solicitor's fees. If I had joined the Union 6 months earlier they would have sorted it.

The I'll informed caller is running in circles grasping at straws. and seemingly getting more and more confused by the minute about what's right or wrong

@abegarfield7031

2 жыл бұрын

Also telling lies. He wasn't in the Military, the way he described his situation gives it away. Bizarrely, a lot of people lie about this.

@trim3408

2 жыл бұрын

@@abegarfield7031 intriguing take. What about how he describes it gives it away? I've never been in the military so wouldn't have the foggiest. So please don't think this is an attempt at catching you out. It isn't. Genuinely interested.

Got to say people like this caller is a reflection of the British public and is the reason we all living the bread line whilst goverment laughs in our face

@szahmad2416

Жыл бұрын

Don't be too down. The neoliberal ideology...and its practitioners...have spent the last 40 years making sure the serfs feel getting the bare minimum is far more than we deserve.

The silence was wonderful. The two moments he was speechless because he realises he was talking about himself.

Why has KZread only recently introduced me to James? I needed this man for my mental sanity way earlier in my life!

@dean9235

Жыл бұрын

Great comment! 😊

amazing how jealous some people are when normal people are fighting for their rights to survive? Well done James

Caller claims to understand a lot given his inherent lack of understanding

@stephanguitar9778

2 жыл бұрын

Its just learned opinion, handed to him by the daily telegraph, which is what army officers read.

@liamwatson4540

2 жыл бұрын

😂🤑 totally

James talking real facts as always, superb!!!!

A note on doctor's pay: A “junior doctor” is every non-consultant level doctor in the UK's professional parlance - those in foundation training (0-2 years practice) and registrars (3-10+ years practice). Medical school is usually between 5-7 years education and training doing an undergraduate degree, with foundation training adding 2 years in-hospital practical training before choosing a professional specialty (becoming a registrar in that speciality). The mean pay for the whole category of “junior doctors” in England is approximately as stated: £44k. That is, within reason, an accurate statement. However, what that figure disguises is the fact that newly qualified graduates going into their first year of practice - Foundation Year 1 - have a salary that starts from around £28k. How much of a surprise do you suppose that figure is to the man on the street?

@Farzocalypse21

2 жыл бұрын

Do you think he would think that 28K a large sum or a small one? Genuinely asking. I've met people who think doctors do a marvellous and difficult job, and after 5+ years of med school should be starting on more. But I've also met people who argue for their first job they got paid a lot less, so think junior doctors are overpaid. I'm curious as to what you think the man on the street thinks

@destro1989

2 жыл бұрын

@@Farzocalypse21 being a Doctor even at Junior level warrants more than 28k a year.

@adrianhjordan1981

2 жыл бұрын

@@Farzocalypse21 As a Paramedic I often find myself having this sort of conversation with patients and when I ask them whether they think a Junior Doctor gets paid more or less than I do, they pretty much universally say that they believe Junior Doctors get paid more. They're shocked to discover how low the starting salary for Doctors is.

i love you james o'brien, you are using your platform in a mature, thoughtful way. thank you for what you do.

@chriswheal8204

2 жыл бұрын

nah he’s using his platform to pick on politically naive callers and embarrass them to show how clever he is

@wandasetzer1469

2 жыл бұрын

@@chriswheal8204 I don't see it that way at all. I'd love for him to talk to me.

@keldsleepnot7961

2 жыл бұрын

@@chriswheal8204 no your description is more like Piers Morgan. James uses patience and empathy as much as he can. Those are tactics of people who try to help others. You're describing someone trying to boost their own ego. Hence Morgan

@chriswheal8204

2 жыл бұрын

@@keldsleepnot7961 he exhibits very little patience or empathy in this conversation, if i was having a conversation with someone and being empathetic i wouldnt say or repeat “i’m not trying to embarrass you here mate” he’s incredibly condescending. and then the caller raises an interesting point, the military and surgeons can’t strike because they are essential services, to what extent are national rail services essential services? there’s a conversation to be had there but james pivots away and gets back to calling the guy jealous and bitter.

@wephilips6651

2 жыл бұрын

@@chriswheal8204 mate if he was going around ambushing random people on the street you might have a point. But people are choosing to call up and deliberately flaunt their own ignorance, arrogance and naivety. You call him arrogant but I think these callers are far more arrogant calling up a national radio station being so completely clueless about what they are talking about (maybe less this guy but some people call up shouting confidently about things that are objectively and verifiable wrong) and just assume that their opinions are equal to or worth more than that of experts or people who actually know what they are talking about. And when they get called on it they get upset and talk about sneering elites. Like they don’t support public school politicians and indulge in inverted snobbery

Fair play to the guy, he stayed calm and was trying to be reasonable. It seems though that he called up without really knowing in any great depth what his feelings on the matter were, and JOB did a great job in steering him the right direction

@Gringos007

2 жыл бұрын

no thats the whole point the former officer came at it with feelings and emotions instead of fact and logic

This is completely tragic. A system that can do this to people is an utter horror.

""And I think you deserve them too", and it just stumps him

imagine people thinking general workers shouldnt have the right to withhold labour. are they in favour of forcing people to work

@hanswurst5493

2 жыл бұрын

welcome back to 1871.

@GodzillaIMC

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't put it past some employers, if they thought they could get away with it.

@Godlike-87

2 жыл бұрын

This is a nation that has never got the stink of feudalism out of its pores. It reeks of quixotic notions of its history and refuses EVERY DAY to confront those demons. This historical amnesia has people within this current epoch making excuses for slavery, feudalism, violent subjugation. What a repressed group of losers they are. The few whom dare to attempt to strive for l improved conditions must fight for it. Keep going.

@hanswurst5493

2 жыл бұрын

@@Godlike-87 "This is a nation that has never got the stink of feudalism out of its pores." well said,and quite poetic.

@michaelccozens

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, as long as it's 'Those People". Who, of course, aren't *really* people. Don't expect that definition to remain static, though; it changes as fits the fascist's personal convenience in any given moment.

The other day someone stole my watch. The police weren't able to get there on time so why should other people enjoy the benefits of active policing??

@jaxcoss5790

2 жыл бұрын

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

It's amazing how James dismantles an argument just by asking people to explain their own opinion.

@vhawk1951kl

2 жыл бұрын

James O'Brien does not have the wits to dismantle any argument - he merely has a profound inferiority complex and a well justified one. He is an oik and resents the fact that he is an oik

@davidedwards1476

2 жыл бұрын

That's easy to do when you are prepared, nothing amazing about that, he talks over callers just to play mind games with them and disturb their thinking, he is basically a bully but you his flock do not listen to him properly, all you hear is the rants and miss the lies and his tricks 😒

@JayGriffinblaze

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidedwards1476 I see your James O'Brien bully and raise you with Andrew Neil. *mic drop*

@blenderbanana

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidedwards1476 Tell us about his "lies". Where has James specifically been an inadequete interviewer?

@benowen8321

2 жыл бұрын

@@blenderbanana He just strawmaned the guy for the whole interview. Totally ignored everything he said. The caller made some interesting points and james backtracked on things he said at the start to avoid actually going head on with him.

Amazing James, this is how to be right in a world gone wrong!!!

Poor guy. He’s completely misdirected and ended up on the wrong side, he’s exactly the type of guy who should be on the side of the strikers and the unions (and probably should one himself) instead he’s attacking those that have rather then the people who actually wronged him

@vereferreus5262

2 жыл бұрын

The first thing the forces do with people who join as officer, is remove the spine. Thats why NCO's are the back bone of the forces.

@taranullius9221

2 жыл бұрын

...and he'll keep voting Tory because he thinks he's a class above people like the railway workers. He's what we in Australia contemptuously call the aspirational class. Because he's got more of an RP accent and ex-military he's one step away from tea with the Queen. That's where HE should be. Plus there's too many brown people in the UK now hurrrr.

@taranullius9221

2 жыл бұрын

"Bouquet dear" - Hyacinth Bucket.

@JohnMartin-oh6bf

2 жыл бұрын

I agree,he’s been caught out in his rationale,yet underneath it all it looks like he actually agrees with the strike underneath it all.

James O'Brien is a legitimate national treasure. I'm actually shocked that LBC even allows him to broadcast. Keep doing what you're doing, sir.

@HasanNassrallah

2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant man.

@MalaysiaPhilip

2 жыл бұрын

He is a patronising, smug, elite, EU loving champagne quaffing socialist wannabe. His passive aggressive approach in dehumanising callers who speak out against the so called James O' Brien narrative is truly nauseating!

@fogellmclovin6278

2 жыл бұрын

@@MalaysiaPhilip you definitely called up and got destroyed didn't you 😂😂

@MalaysiaPhilip

2 жыл бұрын

@@fogellmclovin6278 No, never actually. Now jog on little boy.

@JH-ye4si

2 жыл бұрын

He's absolutely correct a lot of the time, and in this clip specifically but there's no doubt in my mind that hes a smug patronising c*nt.

I know a guy, i see him when walking the dog, and we got to talking about the strikes, and he 100% was against them because he did not think they deserved more, as he did not have more in his pension (he was retired), he had 0 come back when I said, "yes you do, and so do they, you both deserve better". Honestly people in this country are showing themselves to be id**ts.

Conducted like an absolute gentleman really admirable

I listened to this live today on the radio. I was so disappointed with this man. He got kicked out of the army after years and he said that was his own fault for being too young and not understanding the terms and conditions. Shown no Compassion, for anyone else in the same situation. Not ever one is equal, some people wouldn’t be able to understand all the fine print even if they tried to. But with a man like this, he would say too bad. Many people think that our employers have our best interests at heart they still might want to get the most work out of us that they can but they don’t want us to be in danger or to rip us off. But simply not the case anymore and it’s government support the workers losing their rights. This man answer is it’s too bad they have to understand that things change and they have to change with them. The kindness and understanding coming from this man is unbelievable and incredibly sad. He states he’s not had a pay rise in 8 years and by what I can tell he’s ok with that. So if he’s in such a wage he doesn’t need to ask for more or expect to get more , shows he either has enough money or doesn’t think he’s worth more. It’s been a long time since I hear someone who sounds intelligent sound so cruel. He doesn’t think people should try and protect their jobs and livelihoods it’s not just about wages. It’s about being able to afford to live and having a job that’s Secure. Everything about this man , is so sad , because people with his attitude is what’s turning the U.K. into this awful nasty Country. Which is being pulled apart by two types of people. People with empathy for others against people with no empathy for others. What a sad place we now live in.

@keegsmarshall6610

2 жыл бұрын

I think he won't admit he was vulnerable and exploited because that disagrees with his self image. It threatens his self image, so he acts to protect it. Men have to be willing to admit vulnerability so that they can deal correctly with their exploitation.

@tuvaaq

2 жыл бұрын

He didn't get kicked out of the army; the length of a short service commission is a maximum of 8yrs. Junior officers can apply for an extended commission after 2 years of service with the recommendation of their senior officers but there's only so many handed out a year, he chose to bide his time and was beaten in the running by someone better and brighter bringing his contract to an end. When a subaltern gets an extended commission it's a big thing drinks all round moment in their career so to claim he wasn't aware of this is BS imo.

@petewalsh764

2 жыл бұрын

Listen to his posh voice. My guess is he earns a fortune anyway. Ex officer and all that. He's an idiot that has a sheltered life and thinks workers should have no rights.

@beachcomber2008

2 жыл бұрын

Unless you left the country twenty years ago (I should have made it fifty). Why be a victim? You poor sods.

@elaineedgar2913

2 жыл бұрын

Why do people join the armed forces? Lack of work in the area they live in? The kudos of wearing a uniform? If anything comes of this poor chap’s experience then there will be far fewer people applying for jobs.

This call epitomises little England. Either "I'm alright" or "I've been mistreated" so everyone should be resigned to the same fate. It's abhorrent. We're so accustomed to sneering down our noses at others we'd willingly s*** on that we simply don't care or bother to look up and see the amount we've already and continue to be s*** on. As long as we continue to undervalue ourselves, thus allowing those with much greater wealth to exploit us, we will forever continue to undervalue the work of others on the same level, while greedy pigs keep at the trough.

@neilrabbetts7703

2 жыл бұрын

You win youtube today

@Ian_Carolan

2 жыл бұрын

It's the crab bucket mentality on show for all to see.

@bwlboy123

2 жыл бұрын

Very well said mate

Great conversation. A masterclass on how to dismantle an argument.

This was amazing; excellent work James.

I'm glad this point was addressed because I hear people express the idea too often. Just because they're treated poorly by their employers they believe other people should be treated poorly in their work too.

I really do wish Paul the best and hope he really reflects on this, Problem in the UK of people not wanting to lift others up

James led him to the water so gently and carefully. And he still would rather go without.

Beautifully dismantled argument. Well done James.

The worker has fallen in love with the system that exploits him!

I absolutely love the way James is able to turn it completely around and get right to the heart of the callers prejudice.

The caller was taken to the cleaners😂. He lost the argument completely.

So basically this caller's view is 'I struggled so everyone else should too!' This country really has become a race to the bottom and a competition to see who can be the most hard done by!

@markbriten6999

Жыл бұрын

Four Yorkshire Men anyone

I think there are many in this country that believe we should garner solidarity through collective suffering . JOB has dissected that notion in this segment. I'm grateful to hear it put across so succinctly. Well done that man.

"If I am not protected, nobody should be!" Yeah, that is quite liberal, but this is what they ask for.

@Arbaaltheundefeated

2 жыл бұрын

"Nobody should ever be protected from anything! They should protect themselves!" - Some Libertarian somewhere, probably.

@stephanguitar9778

2 жыл бұрын

And vote for.

Such an interesting and powerful conversation, one of James' best. He dismantled this man. A well meaning man by all accounts and an intelligent one at that. The caller epitomised everything that is wrong with the United Kingdom, and bit by bit James peeled him like an onion until he reached his core, which was basically a lump of jealousy, envy and whatever else this conservative government has forced him to feel over the last 12 years.

This is one of the most satisfying things I have ever experienced. Man oh man.

Workers need to cling onto their hard earned rights. Stop letting the Tories divide the working classes,. Unions are the only thing we have to fight the exploitation of corporations and oligarchy.

@Pappa10001

2 жыл бұрын

I wish that was true I was in usdaw who didn’t fight for exploitation and workers rights.once modernisation came and a change in work hours shifts they didn’t know what to do.hence 80% of the workforce left with nothing

The layers of protection this guy has built for himself over the years is staggering, but not uncommon!

As an ex soldier, this guy didn't have a leg to stand on. It was a beautiful takedown of a clearly conflicted individual. I used to remind my bosses regularly if they stopped paying me I wouldn't turn up. That was my only right as a soldier.

Arguing with fools demands a lot of patience. I love watching James work.

How dare workers stand up for the things they believe in. Like fair pay, and decent working standards. How dare they. Do what you're told.

“Pushing a lever . . .” Could there not be a more clear example of the caller’s jealousy than that? A jealousy based completely on willful ignorance and desire to feel grievance.

@ohcrikey9560

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a train driver. And physically, all we do is pull a lever. But there's more to the job than that. It's like saying all an accountant does is write down numbers.

@briankelly8297

2 жыл бұрын

All an office worker does is push keys on a keyboard.

@blenderbanana

2 жыл бұрын

All a surgeon does is cut meat

"Is £48,000 the right amount of money for someone to push a lever forward and backwards…"? He showed his true colours with that question.

@benowen8321

2 жыл бұрын

You think that is not a lot of money?

@izzard

2 жыл бұрын

@@benowen8321 Whether I think that’s a lot or not isn’t the point. The point is that the caller evidently thinks it is too much; he thinks it is a lot of money for what he considers a trivial job. That is why he has sarcastically described the profession as pushing “a lever forward and backwards”.

@benowen8321

2 жыл бұрын

@@izzard I agree with him. You are paid what you are worth. The alternative is socialism. Unions are only there to blackmail employers. If every industry had a union nothing would ever get done.

This was painful to listen to. You could definitely hear him slowly realise the nonsense of his own view. Reality is that aside from striking, outright resignation or accept poor treatment and do nothing, there isn't much a worker can do if negotiations between trade unions and employers fail. Worker protections are there for a reason. He sounds like someone who has a very Thatcherite view of things.