Hello everyone! There seems to be some SPAM because we mentioned investing. Just ignore it pls. We don’t want to talk on WhatsApp. Even if it’s “our” account!

@iangibson6871

2 жыл бұрын

Your loss I’ve got great WhatsApp chat 😂🤣

@TheoandHarris

2 жыл бұрын

@@iangibson6871 okay fine we will talk to Ian

@kyle_vr

2 жыл бұрын

How does one safely store an investment watch? In a watchwinder? ⌚

@MisterKnightly

2 жыл бұрын

What? You mean that amazing thread where people are definitely talking like humans do?

@stockholmpublishings2937

2 жыл бұрын

Guys, I feel sick watching this video. You "invest in crypto" lmfao. Wtf does that even mean? 98% of all cryptos are scams. And you have "hedge funds recommending to buy watches", do you know how many hedge funs lose money end of day? Plenty. Funny how you try to portray yourselves as financial gurus - only bec the watch market took off.

When everyone is making money on watches, every watch keeps going up and every one is now a watch dealer, isn't it time to get the heck out? LOL I think so.

@ryan.wright

2 жыл бұрын

Be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful - Warren Buffet

On my Navy base just enjoying some good watch KZread , love the channel keep it up

Christian - I’ve seen all of your videos and that Datejust you are wearing looks cooler and more natural than anything you’ve ever had on. 👍

Theo and Harris are the best

16:00 I never take my Air King off, wear it constantly regardless of whatever I'm doing.

Another awesome episode, but I really feel like I got shortchanged by not hearing how y’all toast your marshmallows 😆

This is borderline watching a sitcom at this stage, the two lads having a deadly craic the whole time 🤣

*I'm glad I came across this video, I ask politely ,does anyone know how I can go about growing $50k dollars I have? I am very open to all suggestions and recommendations. God bless*

@angelolucas70

2 жыл бұрын

I will suggest you get a RIA who would help build investment plans and channel your money on something Lucrative ,which in a short term , would bring in better returns. Its just a personal opinion tho.

@marchettibianca1367

2 жыл бұрын

@@angelolucas70 Thank you for your suggestion. Do you have anyone in mind? I'm opened to any recommendation.

@angelolucas70

2 жыл бұрын

@@marchettibianca1367 I was able to invest,and build a portfolio through the help I got from Rodney Hamilton Steve a *RIA* , who did not only advised me well , but also managed my portfolio to prevent any loss. I’m sure there are a lot of RIAs out there , but I'm glad I chose to work with *Rodney Hamilton Steve* . Today , I own a *Portfolio* worth *$500k* which is clear evidence of *Rodney Hamilton Steve* great work.

@marchettibianca1367

2 жыл бұрын

@@angelolucas70 That’s so awesome!! How can I connect with such an experience Investment adviser as I’m willing to work with him. I really hope you don’t mind and that it’s okay with you to share his information here with me?

@angelolucas70

2 жыл бұрын

@@marchettibianca1367 You can look him up on the *INTERNET* where you can get necessary info about him as well as reach out to him. Do the check using his full name; *RODNEY HAMILTON STEVE*

I bought an explorer 1 new, and have worn it every day since.

Damn it if I ever make my way to New York I’d like to buy you guys a drink. Seems like it would be an awesome time

Great. Chat gents, per usual 🍻🍻

I do the same with Omega from 1929 thru 1964.

I just absolutely LOVE watching you guys! I just need longer videos😉⌚🙏😎✌

Theo is getting cockier by the episode. Harris is still his humble self. No idea where And is. I miss her though.

@PersonaN007Grata

2 жыл бұрын

Is Theo the one on the right? Christian?

@ams914

2 жыл бұрын

Trolling or an idiot?

@YippeeKiYayMrFalcon

2 жыл бұрын

I think you mean, Christian? He's young, seems to have worked hard, and has experienced a degree of success. If there is some cockiness, then that will surely be dealt with through living life. Life (adversity) has its ways of exposing weaknesses such as these, in all of our lives. None of us are exempt.

@jacktyler5241

2 жыл бұрын

@@YippeeKiYayMrFalcon Yeah man. Theo.

@timeisahumanconstruct9251

2 жыл бұрын

@@ams914 They say those who can't understand sarcasm, lack intelligence. Go back to school, kid!

Vintage Rolex especially nos steel sports are a great investment

still come back and check out Christian. absolutely enjoyed it. but where is Anna? again...

Hi guys Love your video, so cool attitude By the way, BB shirt, nice glaces, Rolex 36 mm, very cool. If you wear chino and sperry topsides, you are real ivy league boy. It’s always a cool attitude

This duo is quickly becoming my favorite on KZread! Good stuff gentlemen!

Truth. Vintage OP's today are trading at where Datejusts were trading just 2 years ago. It's insane.

Interesting insight on being observant on watches. What do you guys think about the Rolex 1630 and 1530?

I invested in a Rolex Explorer ref# 114270 in 2007 and glad I did. I still like to get a Submariner no date 1 day 40mm I prefer over 41. I love hearing about watches being as a tool watch. Now if someone gets a scratch they want to have it removed smfh

How many times did the dude on the left say "yup yea right"

Buy low sell high with watches means getting a new Rolex at the AD and flipping it while the flipping is good. The Chrono24 prices are inflated, and flipping without a buyer eager to get your watch that knows you (a.k.a. grey dealer) will greatly reduce your return.

@michaelriera6277

2 жыл бұрын

How do you purchase from an AD. Everything is out 18 to 24 month wait.

@aidan4373

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelriera6277 what does AD mean?

@michaelriera6277

2 жыл бұрын

Authorized Dealer

Is the gold speedmaster as unreasonably sharp as the steel version?

You guys have not been through watches 20 years back. Prices dropped significantly even on hot pieces. This is a bubble. Look into value not the hype.

There is a saying in the world of financial trading " when the ducks quack feed them" when the buying frenzy is pushing the market up it may be time to offer some of your position.. but make those necks stretch !.....

I love these videos and would love to see something about vintage Grand Seiko or maybe something about Dutch watch manufacturers, we have a couple very high quality manufacturers!

@McLaughter_

2 жыл бұрын

Zeker weten!

What about the bamboo bezel?

Can you please share your thoughts on the bvlgari octofinisimo?

Great video guys.

In my opinion what happened is that in the past 5 years a huge amount of people started buying watches, but I’m not sure that in the next years the number will continue to grow that much. A Gmt 16710 could be bought for 5k in 2015 and now is 12k€. I seriously doubt that it is going to be 30k€ in the next 5 years.

Rolex OP36 steel dial was £4100 in 2019.. A 2020 model on sale on watchfinder £6950.. what is this madness also check the pink dial versions on on there

So if a standard DJ is $10k, what is the future of stainless sports watches. My Submariner (16610) is currently way over valued. Sounds like it's going to get worse.

Talking out of their ar.. Even after college don`t understand percentage increase from 2000 to 5000...is NOT 250%!

Getting Closer……..

this IWC blue have inhouse movement or ETA?

I have another thought. We should not buy watch from grey martkets, if you do so, eventually you sponsor those flippers, bcos when you buy from grey markets meaning you buy from those flippers and so they will continue go back to their AD to get new watches, and consequently the AD will not have any leftover pieces for those sincerely waiting for a piece from the AD. And it's on and on. Hence, just be patient and sit back and there should have an opporrunity later to get from the AD. 😊

that "NBD" comment really flew over Christian's head

who is the top and who is the bottom?

@TheoandHarris

2 жыл бұрын

You.

Couple of gebronis talking watches, love it.

Luis CK is hilarious *edit - wait….. 24 and thought you had covid?? Wow I thought you were older then that

Spy Kids... Wow that's a deep reference

@fullymechanical9055

2 жыл бұрын

Dr. Rolex, any chance of a green OP36 at retail please?😋

@DrRolexPhD

2 жыл бұрын

@@fullymechanical9055 yeah I'll talk to the boys upstairs

These Christian and Michael videos are the best stuff coming out of the KZread watch world, keep it up!

@derekrolle6705

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

The watch G.O.AT appreciate your video's 👍

Is Anna still apart of the channel?

Love you guys but a clearer contrarian indicator would be hard to find. Maybe people having Beanie Baby 401Ks in 1998 would be clearer. Sorry, perhaps an outdated reference given you guys didn’t have hair on your pencils yet by that year. Channel remains awesome though.

re: watches as investments, you guys are speaking about a very rare period of time. Economic stimulus from fed money printing has caused all assets to appreciate abnormally, look at prices of cars, boats, etc. Would we normally say those items are also good investments, because 'hey, look, they have gone up the last year!'?

@tendrams

2 жыл бұрын

Forget cars and boats....even sheets of plywood! LOL

@lucholland3938

2 жыл бұрын

@@tendrams lol yes exactly

A gallon of milk in Pennsylvania has gone from $4 to $5 in less a year. 20%.... demand and value is part of watch price increasing. But remember inflation because of all the money "printed in u.s." in last year may have some market changes also. Now and in future. Good and bad

@bennicholssd

2 жыл бұрын

25% price increase actually

@jdiluigi

2 жыл бұрын

No edit to keep it real. In hindsight i see the flaw in my price increase description. Catholic school elementary math skills... 😁

Maybe, people will just be buying other watches when an old, standard mass product Datejust hits $10k... making men's toys scarce in supply and unobtainable just annoys the f*** out of people, in the long run... just a thought...

The fourth spy kids was a dumpster fire

T&H is clearly in the $10M+ valuation zone now.

This is total bs. The number one rule of honest youTubers has always been a disclaimer that watches are not an investment, so you know there is something wrong when a channel starts hawking watches as an investment. I live in a city that is a major hub for the international jewelry trade and there is such a glut of Rolexes, even Daytonas, that dealers are refusing to take in new pieces and flippers are losing money. This is now more "Boiler Room" than "Wall Street". For even more proof, even Rolex itself is hyping its own scarcity. Shady.

Checked out some of the watches on the T&H site...you know, normally I love that I have large muscular arms and larger wrists because it basically means no watch can be too big. For example, I tried on the Breitling Navi 46mm last weekend in the boutique and it looked like a normal sized watch on my wrist. The bummer...I basically can't wear most vintage watches. I tried on the Explorer 36mm and it was obvious as soon as I put it on that it was undersized. Bummer because you really have some amazing pieces. Great video guys.

16:48 ......IIIIII

A wise (and very rich) man once said, "Be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful".

I invest in Rolex watches as a hedge against inflation (📈). It's much better than hiding my money underneath my mattress. It's a bonus that I'm genuinely into them and love wearing them as well.

@roger5621981

2 жыл бұрын

If you’re educated and understand economics and inflation then this is absolutely true.

@michaelriera6277

2 жыл бұрын

How do you purchase a Rolex?

Invite Ana to the show please

Why not talk about independents as investments? Is this because you don’t think they’re investment grade? Is this because there’s too much risk with independents? Or is it simply because you don’t have a passion for them ?

Almost every market is on fire right now. This is not unique to watches. The stock market, housing market, NFTs, art, etc. Literally, every single market. I’m not gonna try to predict the future but once the Fed raises interest rates, let’s see what happens to these ‘collectible’ markets. There’s far too much ‘funny money’ in the system, a correction is in order.

Volks... everything comes down some day! EVERYTHING!!!!! Watches too! 😄

These two are playing up the price hype for profit. Not really truly a watch enthusiast like Jack and Bark

no one's buying the mouldy dial lol. The other three are beautiful though

I may be crazy but I have just sold my Daytona and bought the JLC Master Control Chrono Calendar (based initially on your review). I prefer the beauty of the JLC over the investment of the Daytona 😱😁🥃

I’ve been eyeing that wideboy for weeks and just pulled the trigger. Watchfam!

@fullymechanical9055

2 жыл бұрын

May you wear it well. Fellow fam boy...

@lukehendrickson3669

2 жыл бұрын

I have a 1972 ref. 1601 Wide Boy and I love it dude. Enjoy!

@andrewhartley10

2 жыл бұрын

@@fullymechanical9055 thanks!

@andrewhartley10

2 жыл бұрын

@@lukehendrickson3669 I’m stoked! First Rolex in the collection and had to go vintage

@lukehendrickson3669

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewhartley10 Hell yeah dude. It was my first (and only) and I've worn it non-stop since I got it five years ago. You just bought yourself the most versatile vintage watch IMO. Weddings, formal events, beach trips, daily - it's just right and unobtrusive enough to complement any outfit. Stoked af for you.

Where’s Anna?

@cctc788

2 жыл бұрын

Basement closet.

I'm a simple man, I just want a job at T&H

400 percent increase? I rather doubt it ;-)

Blue horseshoe loves Anacott Steel.

@bbrebozo6417

2 жыл бұрын

And the grey dealers are Gordon Gecko.

Sorry. But I buy luxury watches to wear, not investments.

A watch is a luxury item. It is NOT an investment.

Rolex is a nope for me. I'll rather buy neo vintage watches that have lost most of their value already and can possibly only gain in value.

@neilmartin7776

2 жыл бұрын

Fully agree. The chance of being able to buy a Rolex at retail, at least here in the UK, is practically impossible - the number of hoops you have to jump through at the AD just to get on the fabled waiting list is obscene. Grey market prices or pre-owned models, sometimes two or three times higher than retail? Forget it. How anyone is expected to make money that way, god only knows. I'd rather buy more interesting pieces, usually vintage, that you just don't see on everyone else.

@HRM.H

2 жыл бұрын

@@neilmartin7776 yeah , i just can't justify spending 7 to 11 grand on a Rolex , when i can get 2 or 3 really great high horology watches for the same amount.

@HRM.H

2 жыл бұрын

@@neilmartin7776 the only Rolex i would ever consider buying nowadays would be a 36mm two tone datejust. The perfect and most classy Rolex imo. Even explorers 2's are going up in value like mad. 😂

@neilmartin7776

2 жыл бұрын

@@HRM.H it's ridiculous, really. It's not even as if Rolex is haute horology - they're tool watches at heart that have been dressed in precious metals in recent years, and have had a mythos surrounding them that makes the herd swoon and believe that they're the best thing ever. From a technical standpoint, Omega are far superior, and cheaper and easier to get (at least for now, they're also going up). But if I can get a JLC, an IWC or a Girard Perregaux pre-owned for the same price as a retail Submariner, I'd rather get them. Much better watches, far more interesting.

I really enjoy your channel. I got back into watch collecting during the pandemic and watching the two of you get so excited over old Datejusts just warms my heart. I didn’t think your generation liked DJs. I’m going to have to get one soon.

Too late.

Another great video and topics guys! 👏

Going to sell my last Rolexes, 1016 & 16800. I'm done with their shitshow. They make nice watches, but not worth the grey market hype that's going on!

@07cars

2 жыл бұрын

10k for both.

@Mark-pi7vj

2 жыл бұрын

@@07cars deal

I wish KZread would allow me to give this two likes.

The watch market is like the classic car market. Once the boomers start dying, prices will soften.

@scottc6946

2 жыл бұрын

That will take a while because there’s a about 100 million of them

@OuijTube

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottc6946 In the car market, we've already seen a sharp decline in prices for cars on a rolling basis: first '50s cars. Now we are seeing a softening of the market for '60s muscle cars. On the other hand, the market has strengthened for '90s supercars, which makes sense: Millennials that dreamt about those cars are now coming into money that makes buying them possible. We probably will see a similar trend with watches, but the cliff will be sharper. The generation that never wore watches will come of age and just...not care. Smartwatches are the new Quartz Crisis.

@scottc6946

2 жыл бұрын

@@OuijTube although, it’s not just boomers. I’m Gen X and want a Rolex. What’s interesting too is my friends son who is a high school senior said his classmates wanted to wear Rolexes for their prom.

@kronikinsomniak

2 жыл бұрын

@@OuijTube Apple watch is creating a whole new generation of watch wearers. Watches aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

Are breitling watches a good alternative to Omega?

@lonewolfemcquade8133

2 жыл бұрын

Imop there just as good 👍 and I have both Omega and Breitling

@kraitshakti

2 жыл бұрын

A very good alternative. Compare the 42 Breitling SuperOcean with the Omega SeaMaster

@MisterKnightly

2 жыл бұрын

Breitling watches are wonderful. Rock solid, tough, available, and really interesting these days.

@kyle_vr

2 жыл бұрын

@@MisterKnightly what is the avenger like?

@lonewolfemcquade8133

2 жыл бұрын

@@MisterKnightly have the Super ocean 44 definitely built like a tank

This market isn’t “healthy” it is just stupid. I won’t but another one until prices drop drastically. I can wait

Really your most interesting discussion to date. I agree with a lot of what you both said re: investment but with all due respect to your success (which is well deserved) your overall time horizon is way too short to have any real perspective. Most watch dealers have been around less than 10 years, which means they have known nothing but a general economic boom and generally good financial times. At some point, that will change, and when it does, everything will be pulled down with it.

@berlimett

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. The lack of horizon always baffles me.

Are we getting an interview with Teddy baldassarre from either you or him? I'd like to watch that! (NPI) also, I think it was you guys, but there was a great comment about the Spring Drive second hand sweep, something like the ticking of seconds are the moments but the Spring Drive is the moment between the moments? Can anyone point me to that?

No Ana...no watch

Nope GS anyday.

Short Rolex long Omega.

Really enjoy the topics today!! Questions: Does collecting a vintage Rolex that has been polished before hurt its value or not so much when it comes to vintage watches (Rolexes)? Thanks!

Just found your channel and love it 👍 Your combination of humor and in-depth understanding of horology is top notch!!!

Horrible. Watches are not good investments. Even in the best case, broad stock market investment of the funds you would invest in watches will have superior returns. You can't diversify watches very well, either.

The moment I think of my watch hobby as a money making venture, it would ruin the whole hobby for me. This is good info for those people who want to be flippers, but flippers hurt the hobby for those who buy watches to wear and collect by hurting availability at ADs. They do this by getting hard to get watches at retail from the AD, selling them to grey markets for profit, who then sells them for even higher prices.

You Gus are awesome- light and informative.

Love the channel but this is a total sales pitch. If you’re that confident in an assets rising in price, you don’t unload them at 5% (which your markups are higher anyhow), you would hoard the assets to get a higher return. For new watch buyers, don’t listen. The datejust is already in a delusional price zone, don’t buy a $5,000 datejust. You will regret it.

BOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! …. watch fan.

@BobbyDazzler888

2 жыл бұрын

Watch fam, not fan

Vintage watches are the most safe investment. Easy to predict models that will keep going up 10-30 % per year. Buying new watches way over retail is more risky.

I just sold my rolexes but one, and my AP. It was crazy how fast it sold, and I made a lot of money because I never wear them. I collected but now my taste has switched away from full steal waches. I Actually bought the new vintage breitlings to wear, so I won’t get that money back.

I can’t wait for all these rich SOBs who just buy watches to make money to disappear and move on to the next cash grab. This isn’t the stock market, it’s a hobby. And nothing against you, Christian, because you care about them and keep some for yourself - it’s a business. Very different. But people who have a safe full of Rolexes and then will sell them as “like new” in five years having never worn them? GTFO…

That speedy looks terrible on your wrist. Too big and too much gold on your wrist. Not making any favor to Omega by showing that picture. Any vintage seamaster suits you better, and yoy know it. Speedy? Then the reduced is your thing. You are welcome! :)))))))))

Oh god... "Bartelona"....yeah... as a spaniard i humbly request... dont...

Investing in Rolex (or vintage) will always be tempered by what I've heard about the Rolex bubbleback craze of the 90s.

What happen to the girl Bring her back it was much more entertains with her

Classics will always remain classics. Various Rolex watches and Speedmasters will always hold/increase their value. Having a classy watch portrays something different then e.g. a smart watch. I am surprised that JLC Reverso and Cartier Louis stay a lot behind.