Hi everyone! What grade (out of 10) would you give this video?

@RylanStorm

Жыл бұрын

Please remove the subtitles on future videos. They aren't correct, they detract from the video to those that can hear, and the ones automatically generated by KZread are better.

@jakes3799

Жыл бұрын

Uh.... 10, obviously

@mickey34jb

Жыл бұрын

10 ALL THE WAY!

@kennethrussell1158

Жыл бұрын

Say what you want about Tom Cruise but he knows and is great at his craft. He may be a terrible person but he's a great actor.

@chrissiebawn9357

Жыл бұрын

10

Funny thing is that they were dishonorably discharged anyway. They were wrong, they ultimately killed someone.

@omdavbu

9 ай бұрын

He did say, "If a court decides what we did was wrong, I'll accept my punishment."

@lawrencebrenton3365

9 ай бұрын

It's true that they were wrong and they were dishonorably discharged! But they were coerced by two negative ego asserting authority's( both by Lt. Kendrick and ultimately by Col. Jessop!)who's only intention was inflicting personal revenge by their abuse of misguided servitude. It's a lesson that's not far from today's reality of a former president's(Trump) personal intentions to try and overturn a fair and honest 2020 election, that he knowingly lost!

@jwiese100

9 ай бұрын

They were found guilty of conduct unbecoming of US Marines. Which isnt applicable to Junior enlisted marines

@jd0879

9 ай бұрын

They didn’t go to jail for 6 months

@f1b0nacc1sequence7

8 ай бұрын

They couldn't have known that they were going to kill Santiago (hence the phrase "involuntary manslaughter"), which means that they were innocent of the murder charges. They were following orders which they had every reason to believe were legal, albeit offensive. They deserved their punishment (and accepted it), but there is a huge difference between accepting the consequences of their action (an honorable thing) and falsely confessing to a crime that they didn't commit.

Gentleman playing Dawson was outstanding in this role. Absolutely nailed it at a level even seasoned actors would have had trouble engaging.

Dawson did such a phenomenal job. I'm so sorry we didn't see more of him in other movies....The way he go annoyed with Keefe's loud "Jesus" was so nuanced and perfect

@80sDude990

4 ай бұрын

The actor who played Harold Dawson is Wolfgang Bodison.

0:33 I love Tom's acting in this part. The sheer frustration and confusion on his face. No wonder he got so many parts in movies.

@sirrobin4394

Жыл бұрын

I caught that too. His confused look stood out.

@carlosrivas1629

Жыл бұрын

its what happens when a liberal attorney meets someone with rigid moral code. you want to smack the smug ahole right in his face.

@freeagent8225

Жыл бұрын

I was just thinking the same thing after watching this.

@tmwk__

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, he's pretty good.

I can't believe the actor who played Dawson got the part because Rob Reiner asked him to audition. He was Rob Reiner's assistant on the movie and was responsible for finding locations for the movie. Wolf did a great job as Dawson.

Kaffee should be damn grateful Dawson was so stubborn in wanting to go to trial. All in all, this trial was EXCELLENT for Kaffee's career. The sharp-as-a-tack, bold, ruthless litigator who took down Colonel Nathan Jessup for conspiracy and perjury, just months before Jessup's promotion to the NSC. Holy shit. If he went to the private sector after he left the Navy, clients would be beating down his door trying to hire him. And even if he stayed in government, his name would go down in history as one of the greats.

@andy99ish

Жыл бұрын

A colonel would be promoted to a brigadier general. That is THREE stars too few to even be considered to sit in the National Security Council.

@akshaynatu6568

Жыл бұрын

@@andy99ish Jessup probably made some really high-up "friends" who were impressed by him or really liked him. He knew how to play the game.

@andy99ish

Жыл бұрын

@@akshaynatu6568 Then why is he only colonel at an advanced age ? Plus: One who knows how to play the game would not stumble over a substandard private.

@akshaynatu6568

Жыл бұрын

@@andy99ish Did it ever occur to you that Jessup is highly skilled at being two different people? On his base, he's a megalomaniac with a God-complex who loves to intimidate and talk down to everyone under him, but at important functions, parties, events, etc where he meets the higher-ups he becomes a whole different person: Charming, likeable, flattering his bosses, telling them just what they want to hear. Power-hungry people are extremely good at putting on a convincing facade.

@andy99ish

Жыл бұрын

@@akshaynatu6568 That might be the case. And it would add realism and a further dimension. Yet there is nothing of that in the movie. Quite the contrary, Jessup is arrogant and openly hostile to investigators sent by HQ (the legal team). A seasoned organizational Jekyll/Hyde would most definitively show his good side to anyone sent by HQ.

1:34 that ‘sir’ after all that yelling made me laugh 😂 even after he was venting his anger and frustration explaining why he can’t throw away his honour, he still remembered to say ‘sir’ 😂

I heard that the guy that played Dawson was a camera man and the producers looked at him and decided to try him out for the role...Good Job

@lpr5269

10 ай бұрын

He was a location manager on that film.

“Do you think we were right?” It’s the wrong question to ask. “I think you’d lose” was, however, the right answer.

@akshaynatu6568

Жыл бұрын

All in all, this case was EXCELLENT for Kaffee's career. The sharp-as-a-tack, bold, ruthless litigator who took down Colonel Nathan Jessup for conspiracy and perjury, just months before Jessup's promotion to the NSC. Holy cow. If he went to the private sector after he left the Navy, clients would be beating down his office door trying to hire him.

@Capcoor

Жыл бұрын

Then what was the right question?

@andrewdavis8137

Жыл бұрын

@@Capcoor “Do you think we can win?”

@rezalustig6773

2 ай бұрын

The better response would have been “I dunno. Do YOU think assaulting a sleeping comrade with the intent of torturing him is right?”

He was willing to take any punishment given to him, I will give him that. And I understand Kaffee's frustrations in that he wants what is best for his client. But the marine just would not accept that he took someone's life, even if it was someone who broke the code. The goal was to punish the victim, not kill him. Claiming that it was an order - he got lucky that Jessup that the urge to tell everyone that he ordered the Code Red just to show that he was training them and did not feel comfortable about hiding that. They were too fanatical and naive about their situation. It did not help that Galloway was also naive and generally a bad lawyer.

Always thought Dawson was being too over zealous. He’s main concern was that he would be dishonorably discharged after admitting they were guilty and going to jail thing is, Whether or not he took the deal , he would still end up being dishonorably discharged regardless, he just didn’t see that. One cool thing about this scene that i learned was that the guy playing LC Dawson was actually part of the production crew, a camera man i believe. When the original actor wasn’t cutting it, someone asked him to read lines and see if he could do it. He obviously did really good as they cast him right away and gained the part.

@katherineberger6329

Жыл бұрын

Location scout, actually. He was the guy responsible for scouting locations for the shoot.

@itslikethesamebutdifferent8020

Жыл бұрын

@@katherineberger6329 yes, thanks. You’re right. It’s been so long since i saw this that i forgot.

@akshaynatu6568

Жыл бұрын

Dawson is one of those people who would have absolutely NO idea what to do with himself as an ordinary private citizen. The USMC was the only place he felt at home. The thought of being a civilian working a regular job was either too boring or too terrifying for him. I guess some people are just hardwired for an order-following (and order-giving) disciplined military life.

@jesusnthedaisychain

Жыл бұрын

He was willing to be dishonorably discharged as long as he was adjudicated guilty. He was hoping for the ideal situation, though, where the truth came out and they were cleared of all charges. A far-fetched hope, to be certain, but that was the sort of guy he was: Aim for the top and if he missed, then at least he tried. He just didn't do anything half-assed.

@itslikethesamebutdifferent8020

Жыл бұрын

@@jesusnthedaisychain yeah i suppose so.

How this scene should have ended: "What ever happened to saluting an officer when he leaves the room" "We don't salute officers when they aren't in uniform, sir." "Oh, right. My mistake."

@derekharp2805

Жыл бұрын

You do salute officers when they are not in uniform under some circumstances.

@TheStapleGunKid

Жыл бұрын

@@derekharp2805 That wouldn't be one of them, though.

@anthonyvasquezactor

Жыл бұрын

Actually, that's one of the biggest mistakes this movie makes regarding military protocol. In the Marines and Navy, salutes are never rendered indoors, and not without cover (a hat). Instead, in the presence of an officer, you stand at attention until told otherwise.

@ironcito1101

Жыл бұрын

Are they supposed to salute a higher rank from a different branch? Must a private in the Army salute/obey a lieutenant in the Air Force, for example?

@TheStapleGunKid

Жыл бұрын

@@ironcito1101 Yes, all enlisted personel are required to salute all officers, regardless of their branch of service.

He never acted before this movie. Insane but genius at the same time.

1:47 Tom Cruise looks almost amazed that someone is yelling at HIM this time.

@banecrew4963

Жыл бұрын

Lmaooo

If Dawson was so loyal to his Unit and Corps, why didn't he take one for the team and pleaded guilty? In doing that his unit wouldn't be touched.

@pathfinderlight

Жыл бұрын

Because the Corps live by a code of honor. He believed what he did was in keeping with that code. A guilty plea would essentially be lying in his eyes, a fate worse than death.

@d.maxwell8669

Жыл бұрын

@@pathfinderlight Never really got this logic. These marines honestly believed that they will be exonerated for blindly following a highly illegal and immoral order from a superior officer? Is the stereotype of Marines being stupid true?

@icecoldpolitics8890

Жыл бұрын

@@d.maxwell8669 they were taught by the marines to do code reds and probably had code reds happen to them. what do you think these guys are regular people they are marines there’s a deeper connection and set of values.

@d.maxwell8669

Жыл бұрын

@@icecoldpolitics8890So you're confirming that Marines are indeed stupid? It's one thing to genuinely believe in a code, but it's another to be so utterly ignorant of military rules that one would whole heartedly believe that they will not be dishonorably discharged for being the direct cause of the death of a fellow marine as a result of blindly following an illegal order. Being devoted to a code is different from being mentally brain dead.

@drblue5819

Жыл бұрын

A civilian just couldn't understand.

Marines don't salute indoors unless they're wearing a cover, and you don't wear a cover indoors without a duty belt.

@Ristopistox

Жыл бұрын

Maybe it is because it is a movie!

@georgehugh3455

Жыл бұрын

The one exception to saluting indoors/uncovered is if you are 'reporting in' to a senior officer (or taking your leave from that); not sure this is really the case here. One source (of 3) did, however, say salutes aren't rendered to persons out of uniform, although that was not my experience.

@Skank_and_Gutterboy

Жыл бұрын

@@Ristopistox No shit, Spock.

@NickTheNewbie

Жыл бұрын

Why can't y'all just say "hat"

@georgehugh3455

Жыл бұрын

@@NickTheNewbie Many times it's a helmet...

"10" for sure. The whole movie is a solid "10".

@chrissiebawn9357

Жыл бұрын

AMEN. I know Marine and Army terms... I choose AMEN LORD. GOD BLESS US EVERYONE EVERYWHERE. 🌎🕊😁❤🇨🇦🌍👊🖖

That marine's rant actually moved me to tears! Brilliant!

@Demonizer5134

Жыл бұрын

He actually is a better actor than Cruise.

@paksta

Жыл бұрын

Maybe I didn't get the plot, but didn't Downey just beat a fellow Marine to death? And he's hiding behind the ol' 'following orders' defense? Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but seems like hell of a position to go on a high-roading honour rant, calling people cowards and asking around if you did the right thing.

@ghostgoose4067

Жыл бұрын

​@@paksta You are absolutely right and it's why I love but hate this movie. It's a great movie, but there is absolutely no justification for their actions. There is no honor between either of them. They abandoned their oath the moment they obeyed an unlawful order. When you take the oath of enlistment you swear to obey orders according to regulations and the UCMJ. It's a military members duty to not carry out an unlawful order. That is drilled pretty hard into people in the military. It's also made clear that if you carry out an unlawful order, you cannot defend yourself by saying "I was just following orders"

@paksta

Жыл бұрын

@@ghostgoose4067 thanks very much, that's a really cool insight 👍good to know those safeguards and guidance exist.

@peterjerman7549

Жыл бұрын

Then you've missed the entirety of the movie's plot and main point. The code and the zeal has its legal limits and the character of Dawson recognises this after the verdict at the end of the movie.

Hands in the pockets to those in the veteran community know how significant that act is especially in this situation

During the end when Tom leaves the room expecting a salute, the guy essentially dissed him twice. For ignoring Tom’s rebuttal for one, and to have his hands in his pockets is never allowed in the military at all 😅

"You're such a coward. I can't believe they let you wear a uniform."

@humbertoflores2545

Жыл бұрын

That's the worst insult you can give to an officer of any arm forces.

@Lajos_Kelemen

Жыл бұрын

Says the man who has beaten up a sick dude, even when he knew that "Code Red" is not condoned by the US military.

Love how instead of saluting (which you don't do indoors in this situation), he put on his "Air Force gloves" as we called putting your hands in your pockets.

@TyreseBuie

Жыл бұрын

The pay is the same

@Rareist

Жыл бұрын

Is that what it is ? It’s a sign of disrespect or what?

@TheAB3

11 ай бұрын

Never served in the military but am 100% addicted to sayings like "air force gloves" and the like LOL. Between all branches they are really funny to a simple civilian 😂 have a great day

@jamiestewart48

6 ай бұрын

Seconds later he was spotted walking on the goddamn grass too!

You know for all his posturing and moral righteousness here, involuntary manslaughter is literally the exact crime Dawson committed. At least he realized that by the end, I guess.

@scottmatheson3346

9 ай бұрын

technically he only realized he was guilty of conduct unbecoming

@f1b0nacc1sequence7

8 ай бұрын

He didn't confess to a crime that he didn't commit. He did what he did after receiving what he believed to be an order to do so, from an authority figure he was bound to respect. He was responsible for the outcome (the death), but he had no way to know that this would be the outcome, and thus could NOT be guilty of murder. What he "postured" about was that he would not confess to a lesser crime as a way of evading responsibility for a greater crime that he did not commit. He accepted the consequences of this, as he said he would in the beginning. What he did not do is lie about what he did or why he did it just to get off easy. That is what honor is all about, and it is not "righteousness"

Involuntary manslaughter is exactly what they did. Yes, they were ordered to give Santiago a code red, but unless they were told specifically to shove a rag into his throat, they chose the method for the hazing, so they have to bear some responsibility for Santiago’s accidental death.

@Lajos_Kelemen

Жыл бұрын

The method does not matter at all, it just made things even worse. Code Red is not condoned by the US military, even if it's a trend at whatever shithole they're stationed at.

I worked along side some marines when I was in the Australian navy. I was in the cardio room on a rowing machine when a group came in. They were all completely jacked, and absolute units. They discussed what their routine was gonna involve and they just came alive, they were animals It was impressive, loved seeing that My claim to fame is that during the inter service cross country run (I was voluntold I’d be competing) I beat one marine. Literally every other marine on base finished ahead of me but I got ahead of one. For an Aussie engineering sailor who worked with electricity and smoked and drank too much I was bloody proud of that The portrayal of marines in this scene brought me back haha

So Dawson doesn't even see what they did as wrong and would do it again. Lock them up and throw away the key. Next.

It was only by sheer luck that these two didn't end up spending the rest of their lives in prison. In the real world, Jessup wouldn't have cracked and these two idiots would have had the book thrown at them.

@akshaynatu6568

Жыл бұрын

Lucky for Kaffee, Jessup lived entirely in his own self-created, power-trip world where he thought every single order he gave was highly necessary, and anyone who thought otherwise was an ignorant idiot who doesn't understand how to defend a country. Kaffee was really good at reading people, and he realized this was the case with Jessup when he met him in Cuba.

@bfettrules1239

Жыл бұрын

You’d be surprised how you can manipulate someone with an ego. Just the fact that Jessup had to go to trial was a blow to his pride. Jessup will not tolerate questions because in his dogmatic view of the world the ends justifies the means. Granted I agree, chances are he wouldn’t be suckered in to a confession but it is possible to manipulate the outcome by pushing the correct buttons. It depends on how big a blowhard the person is. In this film, Jessup was the worst kind.

@andy99ish

Жыл бұрын

@@akshaynatu6568 In real life Jessup would not have made it to that rank.

@akshaynatu6568

Жыл бұрын

@@andy99ish My guess is he never screwed up this badly before. And overall, he was really competent at running the Gitmo base. When he ordered the Code Red he must have thought he was untouchable at that point in his career.

@andy99ish

Жыл бұрын

@@akshaynatu6568 This cannot be excluded. Yet I doubt it: As a colonel he is middle+management. A totally exaggerated ego would have collided with the hierarchical structure much earlier. On the other hand as colonel he is not even close to untouchable status and he would know that. The scene in which he sarcastically orders to be connected with the POTUS is at odds with his rank.

Please stop adding the captions. They're never correct.

USMC tidbit: Not only did he not salute him (which he really couldn't do anyways) he put his hands in his pockets which is something Marines do not do. A subtlety that makes this seen even better.

@jamiestewart48

6 ай бұрын

He was later seen walking on the grass. THE GRASS.

@jasonmaclean719

4 ай бұрын

Chesty would argue that one. 'a fool has cold hands and empty pockets'

I mean he already dishonored himself, his unit, and the Marines by obeying a obviously unlawful and immoral order that resulted in the death of another Marine.

@gideondavid30

Жыл бұрын

HE didn't see it that way. I UNDERSTAND you don't have the balls or heart to serve your country, but it isn't morally black and white as you are making it.

@deathfire096

Жыл бұрын

@@gideondavid30 The order was to train him (haze him) not to kill him but it's an Hollywood movie.

@nocalsteve

Жыл бұрын

Dawson had already gotten in trouble for disobeying an order when he gave Pvt. Bell food. He couldn’t risk disobeying another order.

@scottmatheson3346

9 ай бұрын

​@@nocalsteve of course he could risk disobeying an illegal order. he had an obligation to give up his life, if necessary, in the service of the corps, which includes disobeying illegal orders. The idea that it was okay for him to shirk his duty out of fear of mere punishment is an insult to the very code he's advocating so strongly.

@scottmatheson3346

9 ай бұрын

​@@deathfire096 ... and hazing sometimes results in death. there's no unrealism about that.

I have watched some Navy people on KZread review this movie, including a Real Navy JAG officer. He loved the movie but says there are so many things wrong about it. 1) A Colonel about to be a General does not care if a private rats out a Corporal. 2) There is no internal affairs in the Navy JAG corps, everyone is supposed to keep an eye on everyone else 3) You do not charge enlisted with conduct unbecoming. That is for officers. Enlisted are usually kids between 18 and 20 and are expected to do dumb things. They give them awards and accommodations for not being stupid.4) Jessup's testimony is not admissible once the judge ruled Kaffee out of order.

0:56 the piece de resistance!

Cruise may be a nut-job but he can act.

@goodpainlive

2 ай бұрын

lol

I like the Irony that was brought into this. The one reason Dawson wanted to fight the case out, is that he wanted to remain in the Marines. In the ed, it was the one thing they lost on. He was dishonorably discharged from the Marine Corp

That’s his letterman jacket from All The Right Moves

I still love the movie, but as I've gotten older it's dawned on me how the writing doesn't hold up wonderfully. - it's insanely negligent that they don't take the absolute sweetheart deal. They were dead to rights in the trial, and fell ass-backwards into winning simply because it's a movie & Sorkin could make the resolution as implausible as he wanted. - the moral grounds argument for not taking the deal doesn't even make sense. They were being offered involuntary manslaughter charges. They shoved a rag down a guy's throat and he choked to death on his own blood. That wasn't their intention but it happened. That's involuntary manslaughter! You did do something wrong Dawson.

@Paul-vf2wl

9 ай бұрын

I guess the point is they were so brainwashed by the code they believed that being given an order exonerated them of any blame.

Funny thing is they WERE guilty of manslaughter for killing Santiago

@agent_mc

Ай бұрын

At least they went down fighting and took jessip down.

@agent_mc

Ай бұрын

At least they went down fighting and took jessip down.

You don't salute someone not in uniform, that's basic shit.

@Easy-Eight

Жыл бұрын

Bullshit. If the battalion or company commander come into the orderly room off hours wearing their civilian clothes it's your ass if you don't pop them a salute.

@Skank_and_Gutterboy

Жыл бұрын

@@Easy-Eight Must be a Marine thing. In the Navy, that's a big nope!

@anthonycozier3021

Жыл бұрын

That's not true. Marines salute officers who are not in uniform as long as they themselves are in uniform and are absolutely sure it's an officer in civilian clothing. Marines even salute a pov (personally owned vehicle), with a blue placard on it indicating that the vehicle is owned by an officer. The officer never has to salute back, however most officers will do this courtesy, or request that all Marines remove their covers so no saluting of any kind occurs. Generals usually do this because there are too many people to salute on a base.

He literally killed his fellow Marine and he feels no guilt cuz he was commanded to do so. Meanwhile, his commanding officers are lying and covering their own asses while he twists in the wind. That’s messed up.

In the real world, you should take the 6 months. I am over 60, in all that time, no one except for a government job or school ever asked me for my DD214 or diploma's.

@deathfire096

Жыл бұрын

Same with me. All my civilians jobs they never ask me about by military DD214 especially after 10 years.

@outdoorlife5396

Жыл бұрын

@@deathfire096 Or my HS diploma, College Diploma, LOL

The actor that played Dawson was actually the original location scout manager. Rob Reiner had him audition and he got the role. He had never acted a day in his life.

"What happened to saluting an officer when he leaves a room?" "Well sir if you know anything about the Navy or Marine Corps you would know we don't salute indoors unless under arms". That is how this scene should have ended.

@alwayssomething8572

Жыл бұрын

If you know anything about artistic license, then you would not have posted that.

@Ronfost89

Жыл бұрын

@@alwayssomething8572 I do and I did. It isn't hard to do your homework when making a movie.

@Ronfost89

Жыл бұрын

@@alwayssomething8572 If the movie was smart enough to know Marines are quite fanatical to our Corps then it should be smart enough to know its most basic rules and regulations.

@alwayssomething8572

Жыл бұрын

@@Ronfost89 yeah, you're right. Movie sucked!

It's a bit weird for Dawson to call Kaffee a cowards when it was him and Downey who hazed Santiago...

@nobytes2

Жыл бұрын

that's not Dawson, Dawson left the room, they did it because of an order

@Ristopistox

Жыл бұрын

They obeyed orders. Did you see the movie? 😀

@25756881

Жыл бұрын

@@Ristopistox yes, they did, and I saw the movie. And do you know that following an order is only an excuse if they were under the impression that what they did otherwise wasn't illegal? You can't do anything just because it's an order whether you're in the army or not.

@Ristopistox

Жыл бұрын

@@25756881 so if your Lieutenant say "kill this man" you can say "no, because it is illegal"?

@garryiglesias4074

Жыл бұрын

@@Ristopistox Yes outside a war, totally yes.

I think i read that the guy playing Harold was a walk-on or something. Powerful performance.

Cruise can really act. These Mission movies are his money makers but I wish he really try more drama.

@mrjinkorea

14 күн бұрын

Agree. Rainman and Born on the Fourth of July demonstrated that Cruise is an excellent dramatic actor

Zipty doo dah and Merry Christmas, boys.

Why didn't Dawson bail out Downey by saying that he issued an order to deliver the Code Red?

@GaryKlineCA

Жыл бұрын

Because that wasn't the truth.

@akshaynatu6568

Жыл бұрын

@@GaryKlineCA Kendrick gave the order, but it was Dawson's responsibility to tell his lawyer that Downey wasn't in the room when Kendrick gave it. Both these Marines were dumb as rocks, especially Downey. They had the mentality of 6-year olds......."We didn't tell you because you didn't ask us!". Jesus christ I bet Kaffee wanted to punch them both in the face.

@sfprivateer

Жыл бұрын

@@GaryKlineCA Actually it was. Kendrick never gave Downey any orders after the meeting where he told everyone not to touch Santiago. Downey was on his way to the barracks when he had a blown tire in his jeep... so Dawson was the only one who was actually given the order. Yet Dawson told the order to Downey, so even if Kendrick's order was for both guys or just Dawson, Dawson was the one who gave the order to Downey.

@v2micca

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, the more I watch this film, the more I dislike the character of Dawson. He intentionally obfuscates the truth from the beginning because he doesn't like Cruise's character and seems more than willing to allow both him and Downey to burn to satisfy his own ego.

@andy99ish

Жыл бұрын

@@v2micca Now that is an interesting observation. Indeed there is an instinct to cover higher up, both on the Downey-Dawson and the Dawson-Kendrick lines. I wonder how that is compatible with the honor- based absolute imperative to tell the truth no matter what.

Damn that was a good movie - top 10 for sure!

Sounds like you feel like buying me a bus ticket

When I saw this as it came out in 1993, some people laughed at about 1:45. I think the idea of turning down the deal when only six months' time would be served struck them as absurd.

@deathfire096

Жыл бұрын

it's a gift and you don't mess with a court martial. You have a choice of life or 6 months, you take the 6 months and stay away from a trial.

That whole back and forth was to see if Harold wouldn’t salute him at the end. By not saluting an officer showed he wasn’t a robot who only took orders and could think for himself ✅

Kaffee could've responded to Dawson when he asked 'do you think we were right?' With 'Do you think the Nazis were right?'

“What happened to saluting an officer when he leaves the room.” I love how they made Kaffee suddenly give a shit about etiquette so they could set up that feel good moment at the end where Harold salutes him 😂

Demi Moore is such a pretty babe in this . Damn

So much for that code huh? Willing to go to jail forever basically for that code...but he wouldn't fully follow said code anyway, by refusing to salute..strange.

The whole speach about how he doesnt want to be dishonerably dischanged, and then thats exactly what happened at tje end of the movie

@katherineberger6329

Жыл бұрын

In reality, a dishonorable discharge would not be on the table given the failure of the major charges. They likely would get a general discharge - considering the only charge sustained was "Conduct Unbecoming a United States Marine" (for the sake of argument let's call that General Article, since Conduct Unbecoming only applies to officers).

@davidbakin1953

Жыл бұрын

@@katherineberger6329 - interesting, thanks

@krisherman3513

Жыл бұрын

No, he didn't want to be dishonorably discharged on a plea. He said he would accept his punishment if the COURT found him wrong and that is what happened. He then had his own ah-ha moment and realized what he should have done. I think he could live with the discharge that way, but not for bailing out to save himself.

@scottmatheson3346

9 ай бұрын

​@@krisherman3513 he could have done that by a plea and saved everyone a lot of trouble. allocute and then if the court accepts a guilty plea, accept the court's judgement. The court has the right to refuse to accept a guilty plea if the facts allocuted to do not support a conviction.

This show had good advisors. Harold's reaction is not that of a peace-time soldier. That comes from a 'Nam vet. And when they'd get like that..?! It's "combat-mode," and you'd never let them get like that..cold-sweat.

@dawski4697

5 ай бұрын

Oh Bullshit. This came out in 1992, Vietnam for the US ended in '74 and even by that stage it was on afterburners. Dawson doesn't look like he's even out of his early twenties, he would have had to have been at least 45 to have been anywhere near Vietnam. For reference, Jessup mentions he and Markinson are 'Nam vets and they look like stale beef jerky. Dawson would have been in the Marine Corps for 18 years and somehow still be a Lance Corporal despite being an "exemplary marine". Besides, they bring up during Kendrick's cross examination that Dawson had only recently completed School of Infantry.

@shellybastion9974

4 ай бұрын

@@dawski4697 I didn't "read more." You're out of your league. "Spanish Castle Magic," troop..

@shellybastion9974

4 ай бұрын

@@dawski4697 You're right. ..Tell me how you are right..again.

@iwaswrongabouteveryhthing

Ай бұрын

Harold's reaction is Hollywood, a disciplined soldier does not lose control like that in an .... office

Tom was so deep in character that after being called a coward, he took it to heart and started on his journey of crazier and more dangerous stunts. Now we all salute him.

@kennedytaylor4783

Жыл бұрын

Well said.

@scottmatheson3346

9 ай бұрын

going after jack nicholson is a dangerous stunt indeed, you never know if he's going to rip the eyes out of your head and piss in your skull

Lance Corporal Dawson was a class act. Foxhole dude💯💪🏼

@scottmatheson3346

9 ай бұрын

quite the opposite. he didn't have the guts to stand up for his fellow marines, either santiago or downey. He let santiago die (if unintentionally) and he let downey follow him into legal jeopardy because he didn't have the guts to rectify the contradictory set of illegal orders he was given. He acted not out of principle, as kendrick did, but out of fear of punishment. he put his own wellbeing, his performance reviews, ahead of the wellbeing of his fellow marines. He was a maggot, not a man, when it counted.

I would've asked him where Jessup and Kendrick's honor were...

Demi Moore's character did them no favors. She really deluded them into thinking they could get off Scott-Free..

3:14 "What happened to saluting an officer when he leaves the room?" Nothing! Even if he entered the room there would be no salute if an officer with superior rank wears civilian clothes.... 😂 You salute the rank not the person. At least in my country's armed forces. 🤣

@VB-3

Жыл бұрын

Dawson knows. Kaffee doesn't. Remember Kaffee has only been an officer for a few months at this point. Dawson knows the proper procedures better, hence why he mocks with the hands in pocket.

And that was his first acting job ever.

The Marines were guilty. There is no way they would have a career in the military after the trial. Dishonorable Discharge is the least of their worries. It only means they can't work for the federal government ever again. The #1 issue is life in prison when they can go home in 6 months and start a new life in the civilian world. They are very young and can be with their families. They can always apply for an upgrade in their discharge. What they have to avoid is life in prison not the type of discharge but this is a Hollywood movie full of holes.

Even naval officers know Marines don't salute when uncovered.

I forgot how AWESOME Tom is. Just as a human. LOVE. GOD BLESS US EVERYONE EVERYWHERE. THANK YOU!😁😂🖖🇨🇦👊❤🌎🕊

You have a duty to disobey unlawful orders.

I know

1:33 “But I believe I was right, sir. I believe I did my job, and I _will not dishonor myself, my unit, or the Corps so that I can go home in six months!”_ “Wow…I’m sexually aroused, Lance Corporal.”

Dawson always pissed me off in this movie.

@robertisham5279

Жыл бұрын

Why

@Polostar79

Жыл бұрын

He came across as a stereotype of a Marine

@Paul-vf2wl

9 ай бұрын

@@robertisham5279He's a delusional robot who doesn't accept responsibility for his actions.

@scottmatheson3346

9 ай бұрын

​@@robertisham5279he's an aggressive hypocrite. tends to rub people the wrong way.

It's this part of the movie where the script dies. Tom Cruise and Jack Nicholson do their best to carry it... but it falls in a heap.

@jonathanbirch2022

Ай бұрын

What do you mean?

harold has zero control of his emotions, id hate to see him under pressure in the field

Dammit that’s right Harold told him

These 2 are the reason another marine is dead, but 6 months is too much for good ol Harold…

The Marines had a point. Going home means nothing if everyone looks down their moral nose at you for the rest of your life. They were innocent and had the right to fight for that.

Bottoms up= They all are guilty!

Navy and Marines don't salute in doors unless they're wearing a cover for some reason. So....yeah

@CoCotheTurtle

Жыл бұрын

Interesting. If you knew how to spell "indoors" I might believe you.

The next scene right after he cleared the room should have been Tom Cruise punching Harold in the jaw as hard as he could, and then a general brawl breaking out.

@thomasferreira1558

Жыл бұрын

Harold would mop the floor with Kaffee. Kaffee was Navy. They don't teach you how to fight in general navy. He would have to be a navy seal. Harold was a marine. It's all they are taught how to do. Fight and kill. Navy teaches you how to use a gun. Not fight.

@akshaynatu6568

Жыл бұрын

Dawson would destroy Kaffee in a fight. Absolutely crush him.

@slipperysloper3721

Жыл бұрын

Kaffee could hit that jaw as hard as he could and I doubt Dawson’s head would move an inch. Lol

@JK-br1mu

Жыл бұрын

@@slipperysloper3721 hahahah

@DanRichter

Жыл бұрын

@@akshaynatu6568 I've seen Kaffee do some pretty crazy shit to much bigger guys in his other movies, even several guys at once, I wouldn't be so sure.

Saying no to the order would of received the same punishment as murder.

@akshaynatu6568

Жыл бұрын

Only in Hollywood. IRL, Marines will not be fired for refusing to obey an illegal order. Well, they may be fired, but if they took their case to court, they would win and be reinstated. Following illegal orders is itself illegal.

@joes4194

Жыл бұрын

Would of it? Would you like to of an apple? Do you of the time? I can of spaghetti. Are "of" and "have" still interchangeable to you?

@sillyking1991

Жыл бұрын

@@joes4194 typed like a person that doesn't actually understand how language works... very very few words, if any, are entirely interchangeable. even so called synonyms. but even more than that, there are no actual 'rules' for a language. the ones you learned in school are only 'rules' in the same way the 'laws of motion' are laws. that is to say, they're not prescriptive. they're descriptive. in other words, we create rules to describe the language as it currently exists. the language doesn't conform to the rules we make. (unless its an artificial language, like klingon, or elfish). languages change, evolve...so there's literally nothing wrong with colloqquially using 'of' that way, in that sentence

@joes4194

Жыл бұрын

@@sillyking1991 Of a downvote for trying to hard to defend idiocy.

@sillyking1991

Жыл бұрын

@@joes4194 lmao, oh no, you downvoted me, what ever shall i do?!?!? Noooooo!!!!

They should be in jail for a very long time.

It's interesting. Harold was very much right here. On all levels and from all perspectives.

@scottmatheson3346

9 ай бұрын

no, he was very much wrong, on all levels and from all perspectives. He had an obligation to disobey illegal orders - not just from a purely mechanical, legal standpoint but from the very code of honor he refers to. he had an obligation to obey the chain of command, not just its most immediate link. He failed to do that in the moment - failed to rectify the contradictory orders he was given, out of fear of punishment - that is to say, out of cowardice. He was a coward, not a real man. He committed a crime which (unintentionally) caused the death of one of his fellow marines. That makes him guilty of involuntary manslaughter, the very charge offered to him in the plea bargain. As a matter of honor, he had an obligation to plead guilty to that charge. In fairness, Kaffee never answers the question (as he should have done) "yes, you are guilty". But as a matter of honor harold absolutely should be pleading guilty to conduct unbecoming at least when they go to trial. He eventually admits his guilt at the end of the film. In the meantime he is unjustifiably obstructionist and puts downey in unjustifiable legal jeopardy - even if harold was going to insist on a not guilty plea he should at least have prevailed on downey to take the plea bargain.

@DoubleDee382

4 ай бұрын

I would think the ending of the movie proves otherwise. It was an illegal order and even if it wasn’t, the objective of a code red is not to kill its victim. At the end of the day, it could be argued he decided to fight out of his own ego, not for a sense of justice. He admitted his own guilt in the end. The brave and honorable thing to do would have been to stand up to LT Kendrick and tell him no, not blindly follow the order.

Why won't you ask me?

Cool scene but sailors and marines don’t salute indoors.

Conduct unbecoming a Marine or service member. Dishonorable discharge.

This movie could have been kept within 10 minutes had Caffee not dealth with some lab rats, my days

Tom Maverick João Pedro Souza

Dawson's lips were their own character in this movie. Always found them distracting in every scene he was in as they looked so out of place for some reason. Maybe it's just me...

I used to think Dawson was being an idiot by not taking the deal, until i read what's involved in a dishonorable discharge. You've pretty much got less rights than a criminal!

@paksta

Жыл бұрын

Didn't they just kill a fellow Marine?

@Spacegoat92

Жыл бұрын

@@paksta Not deliberately. The Marine had a medical condition they didn't know about. So it was manslaughter, but they were following orders.

@paksta

Жыл бұрын

@@Spacegoat92 Is it manslaughter when you are beating the crap out of someone? I thought that's more if you're over the speed limit or something. Either way, I think the most likely outcome then would be manslaughter with the higher end of possible sentencing. Kaffee got them a great deal.

@Spacegoat92

Жыл бұрын

@@paksta Murder is pre meditated. You went in with the intent of killing that person. That's why there's attempted murder and not attempted manslaughter. Killing someone while driving over the speed limit would be more along the lines of culpable driving. Manslaughter is when the intention was, the end result was your target would still be alive but it didn't go that way. Say you got into a fight with someone and you gave them a good shove and they tripped and smashed their head on the ground and died. You didn't wanna kill him, but he still died, that's manslaughter. But there are varying degrees of manslaughter and it can get pretty tricky when you go down that rabbit hole. As most legal issues are. But have a read up on what it means to be dishonourably discharged. You lose a whole lot of rights that you once had. You're basically going from a position of respect to the bottom wrung of society. Understandable that an honour driven Marine would find such a thing unfathomable.

@paksta

Жыл бұрын

@@Spacegoat92 This is very intetesting, cheers. I still think it was a pretty good deal Kaffee got them, but I understand their concern. But as opposing lawyer, it seems like it would be easy to prove that they had premeditated intent to cause serious pain, that put Santiago at obvious risk of serious injury or worse. Feels like they were always gonna get dishonourable discharge (which did happen), so they really shot a hail-mary for minimal gain. Kaffee was right the whole time.

Its the same way that god hate me hahaha

Tom Cruise did some overacting in a few scenes in this movie, but it's ok, Jack Nicholson saved it

Marines don't salute without a cover and Marines don't wear covers indoors while not acting as a duty. Sir.

10 an it's true no dishonar

In the army we do not salute in door.

@Former11b

Жыл бұрын

Tell me you’ve never reported to an officer without telling me you’ve never reported to an officer (or a board)

@vladimirthenailer2035

Жыл бұрын

@@Former11b, actually you’re right one of friends had an article 15 he was telling the process he did salute. Thank you for correcting me.

Who botched these subtitles?

@Richard_Straker

Жыл бұрын

Why have them at all?

Don't salute officer dressed in jeans and a jacket.

This is not right you should not blame people tomorrow someone puts a mail because he was logged in how the hell will u prove your innocence

They something wrong .....they lied and jeopardize the chain of command.

Perfect brain wash scene.....duh..but i was told to do wrong....duhhhhhhh

You don't salute on officer when he's not in uniform. (You're welcome.)