Allow me to relay here again that these of course are my opinions. If you dont like him, thats fine, but try and give him a chance! The purpose of this video is to help some people see Super Goku from a new perspective and is not meant to single out anyone

@calvinmccaskill-iw3ds

6 ай бұрын

That's Great man

@grantpowell4135

6 ай бұрын

Man im so happy to have a like minded fellow on dbz and their characters

@gokan73

6 ай бұрын

Dude u are the absolute GOAT when it comes to these videos u release. From the background music to the visuals to the writing they go so well together

@jayramos7513

6 ай бұрын

Can you do a video on Super Vegeta next? People say he underwent a character regression. Is that true?

@calvinmccaskill-iw3ds

6 ай бұрын

@@jayramos7513 no its not true, he went through character devlopment

It's worth mentioning Super has A LOT more Slice of Life. With more downtime, you get to see him be goofy more often.

@TheTwizted

6 ай бұрын

THIS, nobody mentions this! Nobody also wants to mention most of his dumb scenes come from anime only which toei loves to add in for goku all the way from Z. Z has so many anime only moments that make goku look so goofy

@orbboom6119

6 ай бұрын

Yeah z was mostly action, from the first episode till Cell died, only in the timeskip after they had rest lol and then buu kills everyone, oof

@21Savage-DB7ZS

6 ай бұрын

I actually liked the slice of life in Super outside of the Copy Vegeta stuff. Seeing characters that felt so raw and serious in Z or for me Kai act a bit more goofy was really fun and hilarious.

@TheShockVox

6 ай бұрын

Which is an aspect I actually appreciate from Super.

@lonewolfgamingplus379

6 ай бұрын

I love the slice of life stuff that Goku has. Especially the baseball episode, which is my favorite episode in filter aspects.

I feel bad for Z Goku, honestly He was always the laidback child like you said in the video In Z, he was under constant stress that earth is under threat and that his whole family is going to die, Him finding out that he is an alien, his brother is evil, there are other people like him that want to destroy earth, his best friend dying, and more In Super he finally got some ''peaceful'' arcs for once (Beerus seeming like not a bad guy, and even then we saw Goku RAGED ''I will not let you destroy my WORLD'' because of the threat) Let my guy chill for once

@greatsageamane1984

Ай бұрын

I wholeheartedly agree

@KirbyPhelpsPK

Ай бұрын

Very true. Z has very little downtime. It's threat after threat. Goku has no time to be himself.

@greatsageamane1984

Ай бұрын

@@KirbyPhelpsPK yeah

Honestly on the topic of Gokus IQ, he's obviously never been a Bulma in that regard, but still, Goku in Super just FEELS Like He's Acting Like almost a Novice a fair bit of the time

@OkPe-ww5rs

6 ай бұрын

Watch the video, he explains this

@Spidey-ff8dc

6 ай бұрын

Watch the video again Maybe dragonball fans not beating allegations of not watching/reading.

@sincere0727

6 ай бұрын

How? give me some examples.

@hihi-nm3uy

6 ай бұрын

@@Spidey-ff8dc Ever-still, I’m still not a fan of Goku’s nature in Super, to be honest. This video explains why he behaves like this, and that he is fundamentally the same, but as a consumer, I’m still entitled to be disappointed if I feel like Goku feels a step behind how he was before.

@Roto3

6 ай бұрын

​@@Spidey-ff8dc dragon ball fans??? You mean powerscalers???

8:02 to be fair on that bit, trunks did tell goku to only take the heart medicine once the symptoms appeared, not before they did. Now why he didn’t keep the medicine with him at all times is a far stupider thing on goku’s end

@SirCap

Ай бұрын

I'd say there was the risk of the vial getting damaged during training/combat with the Androids. All Gero would have to do is zap the vial with his eyes and there goes the Heart Virus cure.

After rewatching Dragon Ball, I have to agree. This is who Goku has always been. Not a righteous hearted hero who fights to save people. But a kind and honest martial artist who fights in order to push himself and others to always improve. Which is why I'll always admire him for being a different kind of "hero" (in the west, at least).

@joelgaynor

6 ай бұрын

W comment

@calvinmccaskill-iw3ds

6 ай бұрын

Yea

@21Savage-DB7ZS

6 ай бұрын

So true.

@TheUncivilizedNation

6 ай бұрын

Goku is a Hero in the literary sense. He is a main character who’s actions drive the narrative of the world around him. If you remove Goku the story falls apart. On the flip side Frieza is a Villain in the literary sense. A main character who’s actions drive the narrative. What separates Heroes and Villains in literature usually isn’t anything like morality. But the positions are determined by who’s the Protagonist of the story. If Frieza was the protagonist of Dragon Ball then Goku would be the villain of the story simply because his actions stand in direct opposition to Frieza

@joelgaynor

6 ай бұрын

@@TheUncivilizedNation facts, but I think most people mean not in the popular way a 'hero' is seen as. Like Spider-Man. As he can still be selfish

These character analysis tickle my autism on an unparalleled level. Thank you for the effort you put into these. Heres to hoping this channel grows to the heights you want.

19:07 another thing id like to add which is something I never see anyone talk about, Freiza from the beginning never trusted the saiyans because of the super saiyan legend, so he destroyed their planet to attempt to wipe out their race. In the tournament of power, him working with goku and the other people in the universe who he would kill any other day of the week taught him (as well as jiren) the value of trust. IN THE VERY NEXT ARC, he puts his nearly FULL trust in Broly to do his dirty work, a SAIYAN. not only that, but he was actually disappointed that Broly WASNT able to turn into a super saiyan, a complete 180 from his attitude in Z. That’s honestly one of my favorite arcs of db and no one seems to notice 😢

Should mention the "Not knowing what a kiss is" scene was a misunderstood joke. As the joke is that Trunks was giving a kiss but mouth to mouth to feed a senzu bean to Mai. Which isn't exactly a kiss. The joke is that its a misunderstanding.

@tizianocannavo8527

6 ай бұрын

Yeah the various translations didn't make a good job, the Joke (like you said) Is Goku not understand the mouth feeding thing and vegeta being exposed about being romantical with Bulma xd

@ryannicholson8823

6 ай бұрын

Also, kissing is a western concept that wasn't introduced to Japan and East Asian culture until the 19th century. As a pure martial artist, this fact could've been homage to the ancient warriors which Goku's mentality is partly modeled after.

@tizianocannavo8527

6 ай бұрын

@@ryannicholson8823 yeah, plus from what i remember toriyama said that he doesn't really like that kind of things because he wasn't good at writing romantic scenes and he was embarrassed to do it (at least this Is what i remember, there could be more that i forgot )

DB fans using a joke moment where Goku didn’t know what kissing was while Vegeta also stating how ridiculous it is to prove he’s a canonical dumbass in ONLY super will always be hilarious to me

You are starting to become my favorite Dragon Ball KZreadr for real. These character analysis videos on the Difference between Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, Kai for me, and Dragon Ball Super are a breath of fresh air. I've always known that Goku fundamentally has always been the same character. Getting started with Kai and not Z helped me to see the real Goku, because in Kai Goku's pretty much the same as in Super. Most people who think Goku's a ruined character have only watched the Funimation english dub of DBZ. To truly understand Goku, watch him from the beginning of the series non dubbed and then watch Z subbed or Kai's english dub. Then when you get to Super, you'll see how Goku's fundamentally the same. I've definitely noticed that he's more goofy in Super, but everyone has been more goofy. We all saw Vegeta couldn't crack an egg in those filler episodes between B.o.G retelling and the R.o.F retelling 🤣🤣 oh funny stuff. Point of my comment is Dragon Ball Super did not ruin Goku, most of the fandom has a distorted image of Goku through the Funimation english dub of Z.

@aidanlyons25

6 ай бұрын

You could even say GT

@21Savage-DB7ZS

6 ай бұрын

@@aidanlyons25 Yep, watch GT subbed instead of the dub. That shows dub was awful as hell and completely misrepresented Goku's character.

@darke216

6 ай бұрын

I agree the Funimation dub definitely had a fault to play with misinterpreting Goku's character. They wanted to make him a "superhero" so bad that damn near every interaction with his villians felt like some corny Superman dialouge(this was especially at its worst in GT). Idk why people want Goku to be a Superman clone when they are two completely diffetent characters

@21Savage-DB7ZS

6 ай бұрын

@@darke216 Right on brother. That's why I appreciate DBZ Kai so much, it aloud me to see the real Goku in a dub. I like subs too, but you can't go wrong with a solid dub like Kai and Super have.

@koffibentum7452

6 ай бұрын

@@21Savage-DB7ZS Yeah The Original dub for DBZ has ruined Goku's character for me

Im not going to lie, i was always a detractor when it came to how goku was characterised in super. It was always my biggest problem with the show, not the ludicrous power scaling at times, not the questionable writing at some times, not even the terrible production it had early on resulting in terrible animation (even if those issues still bugged me), it was always the way goku acted. That being said, this video actually made me reconsider a bit and appreciate gokus character in super and his progression a lot more than i used to. Even if i still don't particularly like how goku acts at times, (like him not knowing what medication is in super hero)i think that may just be my own personal preferences and biases at that point. Thank you for making this video, it genuinely saved super a little bit for me

Its important to note that how you watch the series is going to affect your perspective on the characters. In the english OG Funimation dub for example goku is characterized more as a superhero in his dialouge which skews his actual character portrayal from the japanese sub.

@joelgaynor

6 ай бұрын

Tell ppl this 100 times and they listen 0 times

@Prometheus4096

5 ай бұрын

@@joelgaynor The creator of this video is also one of them it seems.

@joelgaynor

5 ай бұрын

​@@Prometheus4096You lack proper context to prove that. 😊

@michakoniecpolski5677

5 ай бұрын

​@@joelgaynortell to deez nuts

@michakoniecpolski5677

5 ай бұрын

​@@joelgaynorproper context deez nuts

I have to say, I went into this video very skeptical, but I sat through the entirety because I wanted to hear a different opinion…and boy am I glad I did. Your arguments made a lot of sense and resonated in a way many other arguments haven’t been able to. I can only hope more people are open enough to try to understand a different side of the argument and watch your video through the entirety like I did. In short, thank you for helping me see our favorite Hero in a different light!

Amazing video. Definitely the best video I've seen explaining Goku's character, you truly understand his character more than 80% of "fans" out there. You sir have earned a well deserved like and a subscription.

@PlanetLevelDB

6 ай бұрын

Thank you gayninja6567

Great video. I was a bit of a Super hater for the last couple years. But I just reread and I gotta say that my opinions were warped by the monthly waits. Goku feels like Goku in Super. I think it’s just easy for social media to form negative opinions that are not really present in the source material.

Great video. I appreciate how often you work to challenge popular narratives amongst the fandom. I do think that Toriyama isn't the greatest at executing a momentary regression for meaningful progression. I do believe more solid writing would make this process much more seamless and less jarring.

@JayceCH.

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. The fanbase just took it to a whole nother level with "character assassination" and the like.

You don't mention this, but Goku sparing Moro wasn't a stupid choice either. He knew that his current power far surpassed Moro at full strength, so he was giving the villain the choice of either going back to prision or dying.

@JayceCH.

6 ай бұрын

Yep. And that well, Goku isnt a murder first kinda guy.

@soggybozo1515

4 ай бұрын

Ok but Moro is still fully capable of throwing a wah wah baby fit and blowing up the planet (which he almost does), it just goes against how Goku was in the Cell saga where he’s begging Gohan to finish Cell off (despite Gohan being far stronger than Cell at that point)

@benji5320

4 ай бұрын

@@soggybozo1515There is still a difference that was outlined in the video, and that is that goku was giving moro one last chance at mercy, whereas gohan was only doing it to torture cell. Gohan was always planning on killing cell, but decided to torture and deconstruct him. Goku is still not fully committed to killing moro until he refuses his act of mercy.

@OmegaGraves

2 ай бұрын

it was a dumb decision that he made 20 years ago and had 0 reason doing ts

@shusan782

Ай бұрын

​@@OmegaGravesread his comment properly

Damn, AWESOME analysis of Goku! It teaches a lot and kinda feels like you understand the character better than 90% of the "Dragon Ball Z Fans" on the internet XD

@21Savage-DB7ZS

6 ай бұрын

So true, this guy is becoming my favorite Dragon Ball KZreadr.

@joelgaynor

6 ай бұрын

​@@21Savage-DB7ZSAlready is

@21Savage-DB7ZS

6 ай бұрын

@@joelgaynor I've only been subscribed for a month, but he's really making an impression on me.

@geokashi357

6 ай бұрын

Most of the highly vocal haters of goku are just tfs fans who haven't even watched the show

@angrybeaver4995

6 ай бұрын

Facts. They are only DBZ fanboys. Old Funimation dub DBZ fanboys at that. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

i agree with a lot of this already, i just wanted to say that the ending of this video being the broly movie ending into the end card was so great

Goku is a universal character development catalyst. It's in his nature to not only strive to be better than he was yesterday but inspire others to get stronger as well even if a bit of that is because he just likes to fight but he is a Saiyan sooooo😁😁😁

I absolutely love these character analysis videos. It really takes my understanding of them to another level, making me empathize more and even makes me emotional some times. Keep up the awesome work, and much success to you my friend!

This is a WONDERFUL video. It really reminded me about Goku and at the same time verify what I already knew about him. If you wanted to you could've also brought up GT Goku. Guys, I think we need to send this to non-Dragon Ball fans who only thinks this show is ONLY about hair colour changes.

@theveryproudmoroccan2834

6 ай бұрын

Absolutely

@lapplandkun9273

6 ай бұрын

Strangely, GT goku is based off the original funi dub Goku, since Kai was made during the 20th anniversary of DB after GT aired on the 90s and ended. He is still quite the same fundamentally.

Super goku is the goku he needs to be. But if you want to do this right realize that if you follow the character arch and watch from ages. 1-14 (age) Goku is carefree and only becomes tough when needed 15-20s Goku is going threw it, a new dad and coming to the age where learning is hard, mistakes are made and things are learned again, the hard way 30s+ Learning how to merge your inner child and being the idol your kids need you to be People don’t want to see this because life is hard and realizing that growing old can mean being a child again is hard for people to grasp.

Holy moly this guy just continues to pump out bangers, i completely agree with your opinions man

Not a single person understands Goku on a personal level because not a single human being alive can relate to him. Vegeta, on the other hand. We can ALL relate to. He's as real as real gets.

@delucaluigi2

Ай бұрын

No, according to your comment we can’t even relate to Yamcha, and that would be an honour 😂😂

GREAT vid and it unintentionally points out a major issue in online-Dragon Ball discourse... People leave to watch the flavor-of-the-month-animes and come back to Dragon Ball with flavor-of-the-month-expectaions. But Dragon Ball is Dragon Ball. Stop expecting Goku to be the modern-Shonen Protagonist. He's always been Son Wukong, and most people enjoy that.

I both agree and disagree with you. I think most of the problems with characterization in my opinion from the Super era (minus Battle of Gods to be honest) come from the anime and forced comedy. I'm glad the manga has been able to really shine recently and I greatly thank it.

8:11 This is probably the only point I disagree with. Considering the vast majority of antagonists in Z almost all had something to do with either Goku's actions or just him living there. Piccolo Jr. wanted revenge. Raditz shows up cause of Goku being on earth which led to Vegeta and Nappa. The whole andriod saga was caused by kid Goku's actions.

@joelgaynor

6 ай бұрын

I think this kinda connotes how Goku influences people in either a negative or positive aspect. I think people believe Goku regressed because Z went over the negative aspects of Goku's influence on people and his existence (Piccolo saga saiyan saga cell saga. Most positive aspects come from Z too but I think the main antagonist are more significant than Side characters like cell or vegeta and piccolo, possibly Fat buu but mostly mr. Satan?) Whilst Super decides to go on the positive aspect of Goku's influence on people and his existence (Jiren, Hit, Beerus, Broly frieza and Fat Buu.)

@xKuro23

6 ай бұрын

​@@joelgaynorI agree with what you said. My point towards the vid was countering the "Villians that had no relation to Goku" line

@DevilMarioProductions

6 ай бұрын

I heavily disagree with your argument. Majority of the villains had NO BUSINESS with Goku, or not anymore, in fact I can only think of Raditz who had business with Goku in the first place. - Daima (King) Piccolo, from someone who wanted to rule the earth changed to give birth to Piccolo Junior and his task to kill Goku. (Daima Piccolo and Piccolo Junior are the same reincarnated people.) - Vegeta and Nappa arrived from seeking the dragon balls and destroying the planet to having disbelief over Goku's power because of his lower class rank and finding a way to surpass Goku. - Frieza, from a guy who terrorized others to obsessively hate Goku over time. - The creations of Red Ribbon Army (Red Ribbon Army Military, Android 16,17,18,19,20), changed from terrorizing earth to target on Goku. (At least what the androids were programmed for) - Cell is the first person who changed in opposite. His main goal was to achieve the perfect form and kill Goku, after he had achieved his perfect form, he started to change his viewpoint now to make others fear and test his perfect powers. The main focus on Goku was lost which broke the command set by Dr. Gero. - Buu, from someone who wanted to destroy everything changed to provoke Goku in his Buutenks/Buuhan form and didn't wanted a power beyond his. - Beerus (you may say he's not a villain but he was considered to be one back then in BoG), from someone who wanted to destroy the planets changed to respect Goku and his power and fight him again. - Zamasu, who looked down on mortals, to start hating on Goku obsessively. The villains at the beginning were way different, changed to having business with Goku. They discarded their original goals and focused on Goku. Cell is the only villain who changed in the opposite way, from having business with Goku to stay superior in the universe. Of course he eventually killed Goku at the end, but before that he had no real intention to obey his second command given by Dr. Gero after he became perfect.

@xKuro23

6 ай бұрын

@@DevilMarioProductions Well first point, the only antagonists relevent were before Cell, since thats when Goku decided to stay dead. Secondly, the majority of the antagonists were either a side effect of Goku's existence(Raditz and the other Saiyans) or cause of his actions (Androids, Cell, Gero. This is also related to Bulma telling goku that danger surrounds him in Og dragonball) The point is up to Cell, most antangonists had a relation to Goku.

@TTTKyouma

Ай бұрын

Raditz and Dr. Gero were the only ones who had direct reasons why they would want to go after him. Raditz wanted to recruit Goku for their planetary conquest but Goku refused. Dr. Gero wanted revenge on Goku for destroying the RR Army. All the others had nothing to do with him. Vegeta and Nappa wanted the earth dragonballs. Frieza wanted the Namekian dragonballs. The androids just did their own thing while using Dr. Gero's command to kill Goku as an excuse. Cell just wants to be perfect but used Goku as his benchmark because again, Dr. Gero. The Buus are just menaces. Goku was just in the way of most of the villains

People always assume a stronger character will one-shot the villain. That's not how characters work. They have egos and drives that go beyond the normal blank slate. It's more interesting to watch and easier to empathize with.

Easy explanation as to why he’s so different nowadays from the toonami days. My fellow toonami fans know him as a simple minded, well meaning, dedicated fighter who wants to protect those around him as well as improve. While those characteristics remain in the Super era, back in the Z Toonami days Funimation made drastic changes to his dialogue to make him sound less stupid and selfish, basically making him a Superman character of sorts. This was done to not alienate viewers and make him a better role model and it worked, arguably a little too well. Nowadays, there’s no need to “change his dialogue or character to make less stupid and selfish” because DB already has a big fan base and there’s no more worry of alienating the viewers or declining viewership. So the way in Super is the way he’s supposed to have always been, the way we hate him. The Goku we remember and like a lot was never really real, he was a fabrication to appease us hero worshipers. I miss the old Goku and would so prefer to follow him more, but I understand that’s not the real one.

I always felt like Goku showed a type of wisdom that we shouldn't overlook. He's not book smart, but through his pure and good-hearted nature, he understands things that a lot of other characters or villains seem to miss. A wisdom of age. He lectures his villains and, in those moments, teaches the audience what it means to be a man with power and mercy. I don't think Super has those moments, and I'd argue it feels like much of modern media doesn't teach us hard lessons anymore. There are no lines in Super that hit harder than this, "You know, I've never understood how people can delight in hurting others. You see, you live in fear because you know someday your life will be taken as well. We all have to reap what we sow." Goku in Super seems more like his younger self, innocent without wisdom. It wouldn't be so jarring if DBZ didn't exist and we just went from the OG dragon ball straight to Super.

Great video, you definitely explained it perfectly, i was hesitant but you made great points🗿🤝🗿

Underrated videos man good work!

you make solid points honestly never thought about super goku this way. Nice vid, keep it up :)

Love your content friend!

Damn, dude, what a very level-headed and well thought out video. Well done.

Love this analysis, recently got interested in Dragon Ball and I love it!!!

Wow, you nailed every point. 100% Agreed. Very nice analysis!

I haven’t really liked Super the anime, but you gave me new perspective on Goku’s character in it’s regard

I am so glad this video exists. It really helps explain who goku really is. He’s not Superman, he’s his own person and really at his core wants to push his limits. However, it’s in conjunction with his kind heart that he often found himself on the good side of battles. But he is still a Saiyan no matter what. There are some things that’ll never change about him

8:28 that bonk noise caught me off guard 💀

A very...good video. That aside, do list the soundtracks you use in the description, the last soundtrack is good and I don't know where to look lol

Another Great video by you planet level

Your videos are good shit. Most anime content creators are cringe but you're a chill guy. Good shit🤙🏾

YOOOOOOOOOOOO! New video! Thanks, boiiiii!

Great video, thanks for talking about this topic alot of critics do not understand goku especially super Goku especially Saiyan scholar and others no offence to him .congratulations 🎉you have gotten a new subscriber

@koffibentum7452

29 күн бұрын

Especially CasualAnimeGuyExplains

@uzookafor8721

29 күн бұрын

@@koffibentum7452 yeah,I watched his video on gokus character,he misunderstood somethings

@koffibentum7452

27 күн бұрын

@@uzookafor8721 Not only some things but Alot of things that will make you question his knowledge on the franchise

Totally badass awesome excellent video analysis. You get the character much more better than some "fans of the internet"

@michakoniecpolski5677

5 ай бұрын

What about he Get deez nuts

My issue is when he forgets things that his character would NEVER forget like in the dbs manga when he acts like he didnt know what meditation is That being said i love the breakdown and i love how much he influenced frieza. Frieza didnt kill the saiyans, simply one shotted them and let them train to try to beat him. Thats goes back to RoF when goku told him hed be such a great rival if he only trained instead of focusing on killing/revenge

@RagingBlazeBloodBaka

5 ай бұрын

He did know mediation in the manga, just surprised to see Vegeta is the one doing it

I feel like most people's view of goku comes from the OG funi dub where he was made out to be a bit more superman like

@angrybeaver4995

26 күн бұрын

People refuse and to let that shitty dub go.

One thing I will give super is theyre exploring his character via accepting his heritage namely the Broly movie, I don't want to kill a series off when it shows genuin promise. That is really facinating, its something we couldve dusregarded as sayan heritage, but Gass's statement of not falling to a person who doesn't even know who he is really struck gold. Martial arts naturally leads to that in most tellings and theres a big chunk of denial Goku follows suite from that you could arguabley even say he at one point ran away from, not to blame him. It really didn't add anything he'd consider of value. But meeting figures like Broly taught him, he could just be as dismissive as the sayans were towards him if he holds on to prejudices and caution like that about his own people. Which would go against his upbringing and world view. A second chance is owed to everyone, bc he had that in Gohan. GT explored the consequemces of the sins of the sayans through Baby and the Tuffles.

Honestly Goku isn’t as dumb as people think. Don’t get me wrong, he’s pretty dumb on most things. But he is an absolute genius when it comes to martial arts. It’s on full display in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc where he is constantly outsmarting Piccolo. There’s more than one kind of intelligence, after all

babe wake up, planet level posted

8:03 Raditz came to earth for him, and then vegeta and nappa came to earth for the dragon balls, which they learned about through Raditz. i guess you can say freeza wasn't anything to do with him, but he's still the reason mecha freeza came to earth, threatening his friends again. and the androids were made by gero in order to kill goku. any time a threat came to, or appeared on earth was becauise of him in z, until Buu.

@user-ou5ls2xc7v

12 күн бұрын

Even then, Buu is a threat because of Gohan’s awakening, which Goku indirectly caused. It was fair for him to assume he’d be an attraction to bigger and larger threats than Earth could handle.

Nice vid 🎉 What’s the song at 6:35 ?

Great video

I think that Goku has actually gotten dumber in Super. He wasn't as over the top in Z. Ultimately, his stupidity and naivety are over the top for marketing reasons. Kids like silly characters and children's cartoons get softer and sillier with time, both in the East and West. I also don't like Goku having to relearn old lessons, but I understand it's for the target audience and I can see why you like it.

@pric3lessl0s3r5

4 ай бұрын

Z Goku didn't build on those lessons. Super Goku did.

0:26 That is so untrue. People just cant stand that Goku is a bit of a doodoo besides batteling. Fact is he always has been and he always will be and thats why i love the character.

Growing up with the Latin spanish dub of Og Dragon ball, I never understood my some people think that Goku is some sort of "superman" type hero

@koffibentum7452

29 күн бұрын

Yeah me too

At the end of the Dragonball Z manga, Goku was no longer wearing the turtle hermit gi. That visual alone gave Goku the look of a man who had mastered martial arts, he was no longer a student. He became Uub's master, turning the universe's most feared creature into a humble pupil and imparting his knowledge, his way of life. Then Battle of Gods and Resurrection F came along and tossed a wrench into everything, demoting Goku to a student. Super doesn't belong in the timeline, considering that in the manga, 10 years passed without the mention of any key event taking place. Trying to fit Super in with Z is like trying to fit a circular peg in a triangular hole.

@PlanetLevelDB

6 ай бұрын

If you knew the first thing about martial arts you wouldnt say things like "he was no longer a student"

@Santzu_

6 ай бұрын

It's almost like Super happens before the end of Z lol

@joelgaynor

6 ай бұрын

​@@Santzu_It does??! 😮

i still remember being extra mad because they made him of all the characters call meditation "useless" while he did it all the time in DB/DBZ

i think goku wanting to stay in the after life made sense actually, the entire saiyan thing happened because raditz wanted goku, the frieza thing happened because of the saiyans, the entire android and cell thing happened because they wanted goku, then the buu thing happened because they wanted the energy of the fighters, which him being dead wuldnt have prevented, but at that point he just wanted to be safe since most other things were caused because of people wanting him dead

Beautiful video.

Can we at least agree Goku thinking meditation being dumb was just a blantent disregard for his character? He was doing meditation during the Buu Saga. He knows the importance of meditation

At the end of the day goku is still the same pure hearted saiyan who cares for his friends and loves fighting.

i can't stop laughing whenever someoen claims this goku is not the goku they grew up with. Either they're fools or liar. period.

@NinjaXFiles

6 ай бұрын

They are both lol Media is trying as hard as possible to make him look bad and/or dethrone him from shonen anime

@michakoniecpolski5677

5 ай бұрын

​@@NinjaXFilesmake deez nuts

To be fair he didnt take his heart medicine in z because he got sick years later than trunks said he would.

well in gokus defense he was dead for 7 years without issue. he came back for one day and buu was released. so he kinda had a point.

It really doesn’t matter everything works out in the end for goku because he is pure of heart

This channel is unfathomly based, only the greatest manga of all time would get this level of quality, please make a video all about Granolah

He also forgot his tractor!

I think the one thing that really made me not like Goku's character in DBS was the scene with Vegeta meditating in DBS:SH and him talking about not getting stronger with that. It goes against the principles of what EVERY master has taught him (Whis included) and it confused me a lot. This video did improve my thinking of Goku though (not including DBS:SH), nice work!

@21Savage-DB7ZS

6 ай бұрын

That scene in Super Hero was one of the worst things Dragon Ball ever did to Goku, the main thing he's got is fighting and training, don't take that away from him.

This Is the epitome of semantics. No, Goku got dumbed down HARD in super, they needed to reset him so he could grow again. Cheap.

I think my biggest complaints with Goku in Super is probably that they don’t show off Goku realizing he messed up like he does in Z, but at the same time it makes sense why scenes like those arent in Super. I guess my problems stem more of Super's anime feeling more like a rough draft of the series than anything

Need a mr. Popo vs. Omniking matchup

While I do disagree with some of what you said, I will say that it was a good video 😊.

@PlanetLevelDB

6 ай бұрын

Perfect :)

7:25 imma just say this, idk if this is canon to the manga but he did kiss chichi before he left to train Gohan for Cell

Bro to clarify Goku has always had this personality that is supposedly new in Super. Does anyone remember the Cell Senzu Bean bs? And what about his moments away from the battle? He has always been kind of an idiot but in a funny way. Fight me.

@joelgaynor

5 ай бұрын

No need. The Z elitist have been coping so hard to the point they generally believe Goku off the battlefield or on it was this serious always 100% in the moment stoic warrior.

@SwordMaster3000

5 ай бұрын

@joelgaynor the z elitists were crying salty tears when this video came out

@joelgaynor

5 ай бұрын

@@SwordMaster3000 facts All day.

An Amazing Video

I think you missed that chichi didn't want him to fight.

I don't have any issue about him relearning the lessons he already learned in early DB. My main issue is that he's portrayed to be a complete idiot who forgets about literally everything important in his life. Gokū isn't forgetful. He's not smart, but he doesn't have dementia. Let's not forget that he came up with a year long plan to deal with Cell. I'm fine with him being an idiot, but Super portraying him to be a dementia patient is too much. This is why I prefer the Super manga. It still shows some of Gokū's absolute genius in terms of martial arts and his stupidity we saw in DB and Z, but it doesn't make him forgetful. He remembers the Senzu in the Black arc and he mistook Kame Sennin's comically large coupon for the seal. The latter is still a stupid moment, but it doesn't rely on the same gag of "oh, Son Gokū has no short term memory whatsoever."

Hey man I love you videos, I watched the gohan video which lead me to others. But I have to say I feel like you should go with a different title theme cause it made me not want to watch h them for the longest. They’re really good videos and more people should watch them but the “you don’t understand” is off putting. But what do I know

I just want to say, my problem with Super's Goku is that they basically reverse him to what he always was, just leaving aside all the stuff he did before, especially during Cell's and Frieza's saga, especially at martial art's levels. I think his personality in Super is more than fitting, but a guy who goes from being able to dominate Super Saiyan, to someone who doesn't even know what meditation is, is pretty jarring. One thing is being oblivious about things you don't care about, and another forgetting fundamental things about the only damn thing he always do.

It's true that Goku has always been non serious but if you read the dbs manga this is literally gokus face the whole time O○O

There is also an important aspect of story-writing in general that people miss with Goku (and Shonen manga/anime in general). Either your protagonist is changed by his world and other characters, or your protagonist stays the same and changes the world around him. Goku (along with most Shonen protagonists since) doesn't change. He changes the world. All of Goku's opponents have either changed to conform to him, or become irrelevant. Mercenary Tao falls away while Tien becomes the next big thing. He also is a Buddhistic martial artist focused on bettering himself, not destroying others (much like his namesake, Sun Wukong). He intentionally tries NOT to kill and only does so when the alternative is devastation. He changes others to be more like him, not the other way around.

I don't think this defends much of anything of what's wrong with Super Goku. Yes, Goku didn't know how to distinguish boys from girls when he was a kid, since he had never seen a person of the opposite sex at that point and he did say he thought that "marriage" in the Japanese and "bride" in the English version was some kind of food, but again he was referring to the promise he made with Chi-Chi when they were young and why he made it back then. They did get married immediately after the battle with Piccolo and he had lived together with her and their son for around 5 years since then, before the beginning of Z and by then he had in fact learned how to distinguish boys from girls, so I guess he should have learned the other stuff as well. Goku wasn't THAT stupid, he was just severely uneducated because of the life he had led till that point. You can't tell me that Goku in the black arc who is 40 something years old (yes I didn't go out of my way to check, but considering Gohan should be in his 20s, so I guess he should be in his late 40s at that point) who is married for well over two decades and his friends are married with families as well, hasn't kissed his wife ever once or has not seen anyone else do it. Also you bring the point of Goku having to re learn all he learned as a kid about martial arts, because he was so focused on building up his power level till now, but just because it is not explicitly stated, doesn't mean Goku isn't using what he has learned before in all his fights after. Goku was always shown to be genius when it comes to fighting and with his martial arts upbringing ever since he trained with his grandpa, till his training with Kami, he was focusing on mastering his mind as well as training his body and then in "Super Hero" Vegeta has to explain to Goku of all people what meditation is? Even if he just stopped using his brain and was like "Oooh power level goes brrrr" trough the whole story of Z like you say, he still wouldn't forget the concept he trained and learned trough his whole childhood till early adulthood. In conclusion, I don't think people dislike Super Goku for his carefree character, but because they obviously degrade him by robbing him of the few things he should have already learned, to recycle the whole progression, or just for stupid one time gags like the one with the kissing, which just don't work with the adult Goku anymore. He isn't the little monkey boy with caveman intelligence that just came out from the woods anymore, he is adult person with a family that had lived few decades in society and more importantly, has his whole life as a martial arts experience and to rob him of that over and over is nothing but a character assassination.

Honestly in terms of the heart medication I think just plain forgot about it because he was busy training with Gohan and Picolo for the androids

Man, I gotta agree with all of this, but the not sensing basic energy like Sorbets ray and when Kale & Caulifla were doing a dual attack on him was a bit stupid, and something he should’ve known.

I love dragon ball super,l and I love the direction they are taking dragon ball. I cannot wait to see what sagas come in the future.

Solid vid. My gripes with Super have ALWAYS been on its production quality and its handling on a corporate level. Only on the internet do people get mad that Goku doesn't know what a kiss is. Everyone I know thought that shit was funny AF. 'So many jokes about how Chichi just wanted the D 😂 People just seem to hate that Super goes much further back to its roots and adds heavy doses of comedy and Goku having to learn new shit. The Goku from Journey To The West NEVER stopped learning and often seemed silly and dumb, too. But everything he did worked out in the end and it turned out his viewpoints and behavior seemed silly because he was silently on another level.

@joelgaynor

6 ай бұрын

FR relatable comment asf

11:16 wow, he’s SO pissed that he’s using Vegeta’s technique-and it’s WORKING

Gohan is my favorite db character and you showed everyone why

I really do need to reread super and reevalute my thoughts. I will probably alway love Goku he's one of my favorite characters in all of fiction. His appearances always succeed in getting me invested and hyped for what he's about to do. My favorite current Goku moment was his UI transformation against Moro, how calm he was like he was fully in control. I was hoping thats what UI would represent a fully in tune martial arts master. They seem to be taking it down the Super Saiyan route which im not super fond of but thats just the way things are so im just going to roll with it.

common planet level W

@Hajime790

5 ай бұрын

Commom planet level L

Goku be playing dumb like Luffy he knows what's going on he just doesn't give a FUughhk

I say goku is the same way as he is

most people who think hes changed, haven't seen the real goku, or haven't watched the original dragon ball imo. He was always this way, he's always been a lovable dimwitted goof who just loves a good brawl. DBZ forced him to be more serious than before, and made him think about the future with opponents coming onto their doorsteps one by one. he still never dropped that innocence though, sparing everyone he possibly could until the very end with Uub.

@BenkaiDebussy

2 ай бұрын

It's particularly clear if you listen to his original voice, where he literally sounds the same as he did as a child in Dragon Ball. He is basically a child-man. The dub giving him an actual adult man's voice really changes peoples' perception of him.

You nearly lost me but by the end you got me, and honestly I don’t dislike goku as much in super

People that complain that he isnt always angry and serious are that kind of people that think that men only are only allowed to be angry and serious and strong... There is no doubt that DB has "a few"fans that fall under toxic masculine.. sadly. I like Goku as he is, a bit thick in the skull, kindhearted, strong and a bit goofy. Great Video!

You said Goku's desire to fight has never gone to an extent to cause death and destruction, but what about him being the one who kickstarts the Tournament of Power that potentially would erase entire universes. Yes, later it was revealed that there were other motives to create the tournaments and erase universes, but at first and during most of the tournament, no one else, especially Goku, know about this. He just sees fighters lose and universes get erased without a minimum care while he keeps enjoying the fight.