I have a 2016 22kWh Zoe on a £49 per month battery lease. If I buy out the lease for £3800, that is equivalent to 6.5 years of monthly lease payments. I think I will wait for Renault make me a better offer!

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

They won't make you a better offer as this is there AT COST option. However as your battery gets OLDER and you pay more LEASE it will technically be worth less. Until you get to a point that there's only 1000 customers left with lease battery we won't see them wanting to sell less than cost and judging by amount of Battery leased zoes this will be A LONG WAY OFF

@cbflazaro

4 жыл бұрын

they wouldnt give you a better deal than just buying it in the first place. How would it be fair that buying it outright was 7k more expensive than renting it for 3 year at £800 a year and then buying it for £2000? Dream on.

@manwithcorsae7738

4 жыл бұрын

That's my thinking too. If I still had my Zoe (P/X last Tuesday) I would be sitting on this until I was one of the last few (could take a couple of years) and wait until RCI want to close that dept or wait until it's p/x time and let the dealer take the hit. As you've said, it's not like they're making an offer you can't refuse.

Lol - "tyre puncture repair relay" ! Was that reference to my double-blowout recentl 😊 Thanks for the information as ever Nick. I'm going to keep my lease running on my Luigi Motors 2015 22kWh exactly for the breakdown reason. Also, I don't need to buy out the lease just yet unless RCI remove the breakdown cover. Yes, I know I could source that cheaper elsewhere, but realistically I financed the Zoe for X years and I'm not topping that up to buy out the battery. Finally, I keep my cars pretty much until they die, so I won't benefit from a possible higher re-sale price. Cheers Nick!

Nick great video. My 3 year lease ends soon, not sure what to do, I think use carry on with current lease.

Great video as always, got a new subscriber here. The main reasons I started to consider it were 1) Ive used a local EV friendly great garage recently for last 2 annual services (rather than the local "Renault dealer" Arnold Clark who are awful) and Im worried this possibly is against the terms of the battery lease and 2) Im just anticipating it being an absolute nightmare to try and sell a 2016 40KW Zoe (which also has very minor bodywork damage 🤦‍♂️) stuck with a battery lease. Worried ive got a ticking timebomb on my hands haha

Great video, very informative , and completely agree with your conclusions

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

Do you have a Renault Zoe currently?

As soon as they ditched the lease option on the ZE50 this was inevitable, It's happened a bit quicker than I expected but I think its a really good thing, long overdue. Lease Zoe's are selling really well 2nd hand at the moment but mostly due to lack of choice & availability. In a couple of years with many more options on the used marked I think they will become very hard to sell with the lease. No one is going to want a 7 year old car they have to pay £50 battery rent on forever. (look at the Flex Leaf's, no one tries to sell them without removing the lease). Once you get below the £3k price to buy it out I would say it's worth it, you will get a good chunk of it back when you sell. Of all the things that could go wrong on a Zoe the battery itself is pretty far down the list so I would be happy with the 3 years warranty left on a 15 plate. 3 years of lease payments is a minimum of about £1800. That's going to pay for some pretty major repairs if something goes wrong and if nothing does it's better in your pocket than Renaults.

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

As the previous video i hinted i thought this was coming but i bet it wouldn't happen this year why i ate my words. I disagree there become harder to sell as they get older with lease in fact the reverse could be true as they get older having the battery warranty becomes more important not less. However least now everyone has there own options to purchase or lease

@RedBatteryHead

4 жыл бұрын

In NL we still have the lease option. on the ZE50. I think it's great. Especially to get new (privately owned) EV drivers into it.

Very informative video as usual! People have already asked about Twizy and Kangoo - do you know whether this in principle applies to Fluence ZE as well?

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

Regarding kangoo and twizy i can't get a 100% answer i just get a reply of "more than likely" i'd assume i'd get same answer on fluence sorry i can't be more helpful on these

Nice one, doing the right thing and buying a ZE50, although I wish I had similar breakdown benefits as the wifes 68 plate Zoe

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

Will you buying your wife's battery lease out?

@FFVoyager

4 жыл бұрын

Has the wife's car broken down much?

My thoughts as well. I won't be buying mine (October 2014, 22kWh Q210) out as I wouldn't get the money back when selling it and I'd rather have some warranty on the battery side than nothing at all.. I tempted to keep it as a cheap second car going forward.. I wouldn't get much for it thanks to my maintenance of it.. And I like it to much!! 😉

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

Way to go hitting over 1k subs Jan! if any of my subs reading this enjoy zoe content check out Jan's channel!

Very interesting thank you. At that price I'll stick with the lease, buying out would take 5 1/2 years to break even.

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

Remember buying the battery lease would increase the value of the car so you need to factor that in

Thanks, Nic. If you had not made this info video, when and how would Zoe owners have learned of the buy back option, I wonder? My local Renault dealer is pretty s*** on customer service, so they won;t tell me and I bet they won;t even offer to undertake the admin if I approach them. Renault's deal for 40kw model owners is pretty shoddy. It's not as if we had a choice of buying the battery in the first place! What else can I say? I wish you were my Renault dealer! Ciao.

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

Renault offered battery owned version of zoe since 2015 so technically speaking you did have a choice? I believe RCI plan to email or send letters to all customers of 22kwh and there also be converting all there own cars that come back from lease to battery owned.

Hi, Nick.. Nice video and well done on your prediction! I was wondering if you know if you think it’s possible or indeed worth buying a 40kw battery to upgrade my 22kw 2016 Zoe, I love the car, but the range is my only complaint. Or would you suggest trading in for a ze40 instead?

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

Trade up would be a better option Steve I got some ZE40s at work if interested

We explained nick , the zoe guru ! Im still not a fan of the zoe or the battery lease , but at least rci are giving folk the option now, does this option apply to ZE Kangoo and Twizy ????

@RobertDodge

4 жыл бұрын

Apparently not as I asked my dealer last week when I was in for a service also those unfortunate to have a fluence cant even get a new battery as they no longer make them

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

i believe kangoo and Twizy will be soon

If they are wanting to get out of the leasing business, then maybe the best policy is to just wait for a while, as they may reduce the cost later to encourage people to buy out.

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

They wouldn’t reduce cost till they had few left

It’s an interesting conundrum. The value of the leasing almost increases in value with time due to the benefits it offers ( battery replacement and the other benefits you mentioned). Like you say can’t see why owners would give up their benefits at those prices. Or, put another way Renault have pitched the price way too high to make it really attractive. Let’s face it unless you can see it’s really attractive to do so then the easiest option is to carry on with the “small” monthly “insurance” (lease) payment.

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

I think it will only be attractive to a new owner that DOESN'T like the idea of having a battery lease however for existing owners it likely makes less sense.

Hang on it seems the best course for now, I feel a deal could be had later

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

I very much doubt any DEAL could be had from RCI on the Zoe battery lease until we are down to last 1000 battery lease contracts and that's YEARS AWAY

Thanks we have been looking at Renault zoes on a 15000 budget and kind find one that is battery owned. You've explained that very well. Would you recommend a Nissan leaf.? Ugly as F

Thanks Nic. Just bought a 2018 Zoe40 will stick with the battery lease. cracking car by the way.

The 4.0 price doesn't seem to bad. But for my 2016 it isn't worth buying it out. I wonder if I keep running out of battery and getting free collections would they offer it at discount lol

Honestly when I got my Zoe I thought the leasing option sounded ridiculous, gladly I was able to buy out the battery

@LeonZaneFigueira

4 жыл бұрын

For anyone curious I have the RENAULT ZOE I SIGN CH ZE40

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

To me the battery lease makes sense for the SUPER low mileage my wife does and the cost difference of a battery owned, Also it was AT THE TIME only car in her budget that was a FULL Electric. Nice SPEC by the way!

Hi Aim seeing loads of Zoe with out the battery’s and you can buy them on the lease plan is this popular ,

Where to buy used Renault Zoe battery for own?

Waiting for the call back on price 2015 22kWh that has 50k+ miles. I still pay the £50 a month but I'm WAY over that mileage. I am curious as to whether they will ask for mileage like they do for the Leaf. Also got a stunning deal on the car a year and a half ago so it makes any deal quite interesting. Yes the lease covers you for all breakdowns, shame the people on the phone don't all know that. I was left stranded when they kept saying the car was out of warranty so it isn't covered. Later that day I got them to add a comment to my account so the argument would happen again at 7AM.

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

RZOC have worked with renault and the firm in charge of the called centre to ensure all zoes have that note on there system for the out of hours team

If you ask on the market how much is a NEW battery for any Chinese car let say 52kwh capacity they will tell you 10k Eu

As well as the paperwork cost, I suspect Renault are thinking about the cost of replacing the batteries at some point in the future.

Nicolas, quick question (as you're the Zoe Guru on KZread!). On this article www.zap-map.com/renault-zoe-r110-long-term-test/ it says "battery rental that must be paid by whoever owns the car for the first seven years". I assumed battery rental would be due until Renault finally wind up the scheme? Zap-Map seem to think battery rental paid only for a fixed period - or do they have that completely wrong?

@NicolasRaimo

3 жыл бұрын

Yea there wrong its for ever

Yes were are now on that edge point 2013 Zoe with 95,000 have no idea what to do as if the warranty expires on the battery at 8 years it will be expensive to repair- Do we sell early if we can or run it into the ground?

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

Its a financial choice i can't make for you Robert. However if you purchased the battery you'd have estimated a year warranty or 5000 miles and have to pay something like maybe £2200 i reckon. You may find someone might pay more for your car to buy it out with the battery but i honestly don't know.

About the price I thought it would have been. I’m switching to a ZE50 but it I was keeping my 22kWh 16 plate I probably would have bought it out. Not least to enjoy no monthly cost to drive the car.

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

Am quite happy with battery lease but yes i understand your argument also

We have a 2013 22kwh Zoe which still serves us well and we shall be keeping the lease option going. We don't have the car regularily serviced now because we do so few miles so am I right in saying that because the car and battery are seperate by ownership this will have no detrimental effect on the battery lease warranty.

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

If they can prove the lack of servicing caused the battery to fail they’d win, for example if checking it would of showed air con leaks which cools the battery or damage to casing etc

@richardlarner5698

4 жыл бұрын

@@NicolasRaimo Yes you are correct on that point, I have just checked under 'obligations' in the contract under 11.3.2 and the requirement of accurate service records, so I better book her in when possible to do so. Thank you, as always very informative.

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

@@richardlarner5698 Pleasure Richard the burden on proof is on them so if you missed services but then had it serviced and fault ocured 2 months later they couldn't blame previous history within fair grounds unless somehow they could prove otherwise

If one were to buy out the battery lease on an older Zoe that has a newer battery in it does the 8 year warranty run from when the car was registered or from when the replacement battery was fitted. In your previous video you felt sure that Renault would not allow battery buy out because it was a great money spinner for them, especially as the batteries have been so reliable. That being the case and if they are so reliable surely it is worth buying the lease out and not having those monthly payments, I know you referred to break down cover but that quite cheap to have via ones insurance, LV insurance have a brilliant policy for EVs. It doesn’t effect me as I drive a Kona Electric which comes with 8year cover should I break down and provided I have it serviced by Hyundai. However my friend wife drives a Zoe and it could be of interest to her.

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

The price is on the YEAR of the battery however the warranty is on the YEAR of the car. So if you have a 2 year old zoe which had a new battery on year 1 then the warranty for the battery is 8 years from the time of the Zoe not the battery. It's the same as if you had a NEW wheel baring for example they only cover the warranty for 3 years from date of reg NOT 3 years from when the part was replaced.

Is the price to buy out the battery lease solely based on age? I run a 2017 ZE40 with a leased battery and I pay for the unlimited mileage option. I would expect it to be less expensive to buy as it's had more miles done on it, and more of my money has been sunk into it to pay the lease costs to date. It makes no sense for me to buy out the battery if it's going to cost the same for a car with 30+k miles on the clock as one with 10k miles. It's a step in the right direction by RFI, but they need to make the offer more financially attractive if they expect punters to take it up. Keep up the good work!

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

I've been told its just based on age yes. There argument would be higher mileage is higher risk of warranty payout. Also i'd guess renault would base there lease write off cost on the lowest payments. With a high mileage unlimited option your likely hit that 100k limit and therefore warranty on battery be worth more

@paulstansfield

4 жыл бұрын

I just popped into my local Renault dealer to pick my car up from its service and MOT and whilst I was there, I got talking to a salesman about the new ZE50. He said he'd take my ZE40 in part-exchange and they'd buy the battery out before putting it on their forecourt as a "battery-owned" model. He obtained a quote from Renault Finance on my behalf of the cost to buy the battery - £5,500 incl VAT! And you're right Nicholas, this price is based solely on age, not mileage which makes this option a non-starter in my circumstances. The ZE50 is very nice, but the discounts are not there to be had at this stage for cash sales. I'm better off paying the battery lease costs and running the ZE40 for a little longer until better options become available.

Hi my battery car is 2013 GF63HVN hou much will be to buy it out ?

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

Contact your local renault dealer in about a week there not ready yet

I have a 63 Reg Zoe Expression so how much would the battery cost me, as I would not be able to buy the battery outright for a lump sum. So I think I will keep on leasing the battery until Renault gives me a decent offer on a new one, and it would have to be a very decent offer. I only pay £49 a month so cheaper for me to keep the lease.

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

You need to remember buying the battery out increases the value of your car where leasing doesn’t. A 63 plate should have a pretty cheap battery might be worth you buying and selling it for a healthy profit!

the problem is not the staff/admin, is the thousands being exported and sold as owned when they are rented without TCUs/Sim cards in them

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

That's certainly 1 issue and they tend to sue the last battery lease owner for cost.

Agree jan 2015 zoe , 7500 mile a year lease , 50 pounds a month , buying it at over 2000 pounds makes little sense

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

2k i'd be buying it personally on a 2015 zoe, but the 3k mark i wouldn't

I’d say it’s more worth it to buy the 40 because that one is not gimped, like the 22kWh battery. (I had a 22 zoe with upgrade battery)

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

Oh which country are you to get the pack upgrade!

@MrGoogle87

4 жыл бұрын

The Netherlands, for 1750€ (half off, due to old 22kWh q210 not properly charging on new standard 43 kW AC, as compensation) still was lease afterwards though. But 6-7k for a 2y old 40battery worth it, any price for the 22kWh, not worth it in my opinion (due to it being very low range to be useable for more trips)

Suspect this is Renault's opening position. If they really are trying to wind down the battery leasing business expect them to offer better terms at some stage.

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

HONESTLY doubt it, this is there AT COST price they'd rather keep the cash cow running than sell at a loss, until there's so few battery leases it cost them more to run.

And what if you trade your 2018 Zoe in for a new one without battery lease?

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

Then if your old one was battery lease it would carry on so unless dealer purchased the lease out

It makes you wonder if after another year or so Renault might do a better deal to get rid. I've just bought a 2014 Kangoo ZE. Is there anything happening there? Oh and I think the cost of the Twizzy battery lease is ridiculous, they surely couldn't charge much for the dinky Twizzy battery?

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Doug, my source says "yes more than likely" not a 100% answer but yes if you ask for a buy out price for the kangoo ze or the twizy battery you should get one. The Battery lease on twizy only thing that put me off getting something i'd only do like 1000 miles a year in

@dougowt

4 жыл бұрын

@@NicolasRaimo Thank you for checking that out. I might see what they will charge for the Kangoo. But I'm guessing its just another 22kWh battery to them, so likely identical to the 22kWh Zoe. And I was exactly the same as you, all for getting a Twizzy until I saw the battery lease costs.

Hi, Could you help me to find out my Battery Number (BIN) on my 2015 Zoe? Thanks, Chris

@NicolasRaimo

2 жыл бұрын

evnick.com/support

My local Renault dealer told me battery lease cars were hard to shift second hand. I wonder if the buyout is going to allow dealers to convert battery lease cars before selling them on. My car is already battery owned. I certainly didn't want to buy a car with a standing charge, it would have been £79 per month for my ZE40 doing my mileage.

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

Your Renault dealer hasn’t got a clue I can sell 4 lease models for every battery owned. They are super easy to sell he sounds like he’s never tried to market one

@robsmith1a

4 жыл бұрын

@@NicolasRaimo they have a couple on the forecourt right now. I wonder if someone with s budget of £10k looks at a Zoe costing that amount and is told they have to pay £49 per month on top may buy something else if the salesperson doesn't explain the low running costs properly. You are obviously very clued up on EVs and I am not sure most sales people in msin dealers are. They did tell me they have sold 25 ZE50s though.

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

@@robsmith1a Most my zoe sales come via autotrader and they search Battery lease out directly so sadly i can't claim its me being a wonderful salesman they just look cheap for there price compared to battery owned and if you have a budget thats your budget. Tell them if there so hard to sell why they buy them in first place? Ill glady take them off there hands i had 10 start of Feb got 2 left, and am only a tiny little used car dealer compared to the might of a renault dealer

Hi Nick - really informative video. Please could I pick your brains? It’s looking like I’m going to have to move house to somewhere which is 40 miles (an hours’ drive) away from my workplace. I’ve looked at cheap electric cars for commuting, and I’ve whittled it down to the Zoe! They’re a great price, highly economical, look nice and you can charge them straight away from home (right?). I’ve seen one for £5,950 with 22K (2015) and £6,490 with 5K (2014) - is there anything I should be aware of, please? Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated as this is completely new territory for me. Best wishes, Sam

@NicolasRaimo

3 жыл бұрын

A 22kwh in winter will only do about 65 miles are you able to charge both ends?

@OmniDubStep

3 жыл бұрын

@@NicolasRaimo I don’t think there are any chargers close to York Hospital that I can park near all day… Oh no! There’s a bit of land nearby which colleagues park on for about £5 a day but I don’t think it offers charge. That’s a shame - good point indeed

Mmmm I wonder which dealer Nick is on about lol

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

😂 there’s 3 dealers i get a long with very well but only one id consider a friend they’d all do battery lease buy out they said when it comes to market next week

Best for me to keep leasing, carnt find any reason to buy it, also isn't breakdown and recovery included in the lease, even if you run the battery flat

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

Did you not watch the whole video ;)

@GeoffJonesEsprit

4 жыл бұрын

@@NicolasRaimo Hu!

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

I said near end about battery lease included breakdown also mentioned it includes tyre relay also ;) shall let you off it’s early maybe you missed it

@GeoffJonesEsprit

4 жыл бұрын

@@NicolasRaimo I must have missed it yes Nic or I wouldn't have asked it, you could have said "Yes it does as mentioned in the vid you nob" that would have had me laughing... Didn't expect you in "viewer attack mode."

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

I added a cheeky 😉 so you knew it was meant in cheeky

Do you have a link to this scheme by Renault?

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

Renault and RCI are not technically the same so its not on Renault Site but RCI are working with Renault dealers to allow buy out. This is because you can't buy a lease product direct due to UK Laws and way there written so dealer will buy lease from RCI then sell it back to you

Yep, they'd have to pay me, to get out of my lease deal

What happens if you sell a battery lease and did not tell the new owner how would Repossesse ?

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

The old owner is legally liable for it

Hi Nick. Not all Renault Zoe's ii models have the battery 8 year warranty. Up to 31st January 2018 those i models only had a 5 year 60,000 mile warranty. From the 1st February 2018 then the i models had an 8 year 100,000 mile warranty. Are you saying and confirm that Renault are going to give 8 years on battery buyout to all battery leased models from their first date of registration?

@fredderf6491

4 жыл бұрын

Interesting. Our 2017 67 plate (October) Zoe i (owned) battery has a 8 year 100,000 mile warranty. In writing. In the contract.

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

I'd need to double check on cars after the 2018 point but anything else is 8 years 100% confirmed. Also to be honest anyone with a 2018 ZE40 zoe is VERY unlikely to purchase there battery lease at this point!

@colinphillipson4830

4 жыл бұрын

@@fredderf6491 Checkout the Renault ZE different warranties. However sometimes as a promotion before an upcoming change Renault seem to offer the next terms and conditions as they did for the previous 4 year mechanical warranty and dropping to only 3 years from the 1st February 2018, they offered the 2018 67 plate models the extra 1 year as shown as 4+ZE in the my.renault portal. If your contract states this 8 year 100,000 mile traction battery warranty then you have written proof. Your my.renault portal will have all of your warranty expiry dates. I can only go by what Renault official have posted on their website about the ZE warranties Terms and Conditions. www.renault.co.uk/warranty.html?gclsrc=aw.ds&&gclid=Cj0KCQiAqY3zBRDQARIsAJeCVxPdruSwjtsqthKe0dHszeLe2s6DAeBoFDI4KFIKL8-66mx_vT9V51gaAiOCEALw_wcB

@colinphillipson4830

4 жыл бұрын

@@NicolasRaimo An extract from the Renault ZE Warranty Terms and Conditions up to 31st January 2018. 2.4 ‘I’ Range Battery Warranty As Traction batteries in ‘i’ versions of ZOE and Kangoo are not covered under the terms of the lease, they are provided with a warranty which also includes a fixed period and mileage performance cover as follows: ZOE “i”: 5 years/60,000 miles (whichever comes first) - 70% battery capacity. Kangoo Z.E. 33 ”i”: 5 years/60,000 miles (whichever comes first) - 70% battery capacity. Kangoo Z.E. ”i”: 5 years/60,000 miles (whichever comes first) - 66% battery capacity. This means that if the traction battery drops below the above percentages of its original capacity within the stipulated time or mileage parameters, it will be repaired or replaced at RENAULT’s option.

if you by a usde zoe do you need to still leas the batery

@NicolasRaimo

2 жыл бұрын

If it’s still leased yes

Do you think also in Italy?

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

I don't have any connection in Italy renault to confirm or see if it would happen its worth maybe a call?

Is this UK problem only? Haven't heard from our NL dealer thar Renault wants to get rid of the lease.

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

UK and Ireland both will sell out the battery lease every country RCI will have different rules worth checking with your own country

@RedBatteryHead

4 жыл бұрын

@@NicolasRaimo well. I'm not interested myself. I'd rather depend on the better warrenty via lease 😉 I'd alway think a lease is better. Lower entry price and a higher warrenty. Only when you do over the "unlimited" miles and 5 years it gets into break even.

I think people need to look at the lease they are paying and consider how long they want to keep the car. Multiply the cost of the lease x the time you are expecting to keep the car v the cost of buying out the battery. If one has an advantage over the other make your decision. What this will do is make older cars easier to sell.

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

You can't really do that. As buying out the battery lease would increase the cars value, where leasing it does not so times by the figures gives a false reading.

@TeesTrev

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with Nick it a bit more complicated. Consider if the 2 amounts came to the same value. With 1 you have breakdown cover but with the buyout you now have a car with a higher value. It's not as straight forward as it first seems. Also inflation alters the true values of the monthly payment over time.

@FFVoyager

4 жыл бұрын

@@NicolasRaimo my guess is that the buy-out cost will fall over time, so if you have a car you expect to keep for 2 years before you expect to be changing you have to make a guess at the fee value added to the car then too. Also the used value of the car, in what ever state of battery ownership, in 2022/3 could be a *lot* less than now as there will be a lot more newer electric cars on the market as demand is met and the older Zoe (and Leaf) could look rather long in the tooth by then. I really don't value an additional rescue service. We have been with Autoaid for a decade and they are as cheap as chips. And excellent. It's good that the battery buy-out option is there now though.

I’d keep paying the lease... as they scale the lease department down... I’m sure they will reach a point where they say, it’s free... without a warranty

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Fran it will never reach the point of Free you might at 10 years get a highly reduced cost but that is it.

Too expensive! If price was half, then I'd likely buy out the lease.

The Zoe is good car but the company which sale is not good 🤔

Can I lease a battery for a Cat N Zoe without battery?

@NicolasRaimo

2 жыл бұрын

If the battery has been removed your need to purchase one

I am paying £50 a month for the lease. If the buyout is £3000, that equates to 60 months or three more years of ownership. I certainly don't intend to keep the car that long. Struggling to see an upside.

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

leasing the car doesn't have an affect on its resale vlaue, buying it out would increase its resale so its not like for like

@glynwilliams4204

4 жыл бұрын

@@NicolasRaimo I am not convinced that the addition of a used 22kwh battery will increase the resale value by £3K. You might know otherwise.

Renalt is wery greedy If you ask on the market how much is a NEW battery for any Chinese car let say 52kwh capacity they will tell you 10k Eu

Did they change pricing for upgrading battery from 22 to 40?

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

How do you mean Jerry

@jerrym1401

4 жыл бұрын

@@NicolasRaimo I have battery lease 22kw, did they drop price if I upgrade now?

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

How do you mean upgrade sorry

@tomiskalmar

4 жыл бұрын

@@NicolasRaimo it is possible in France to change your car's battery from 22 to 40kwh

@jerrym1401

4 жыл бұрын

@@NicolasRaimo Pay for bigger battery. I want bigger battery in my zoe, is price for that same as it was before or they dropped that price? I tried to contact my local dealer here in Ireland and I got no answer on price or can they do it....

How much!

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

Like I said firstly only going to target 22kwh

I'm thinking the real beneficiaries of this are high mileage drivers that the 22kwh battery lease doesn't cater for.

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

Would you not argue high mileage 22kwh zoes are more likely to want the warranty aspect?

@gazzaman28

4 жыл бұрын

@@NicolasRaimo I'd be interested in how many battery failures there generally are, it must be a very low risk. My main point though is that I believe you can't do more than 12k per year on a 22kwh lease without getting hit with excess mileage penalties.

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@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

Any subjects you'd like a video on this year?

I stick with my Vauxhall Ampera

@NicolasRaimo

3 жыл бұрын

huh?

every battery rental EV owner ( that refuses to admit that they arent saving any running costs as the lease costs as much as petrol) : "battery rental is the best option, the car is much cheaper , bla bla bla " failing to admit that their car will be basically impossible to sell privately (no1 wants them) and you most likely end up ditching it at a dealership that gives you £5k for it (while battery owned ones are sold used for 90-100% of the brand new costs). Now renault is hinting that they will sell the batteries, suddently all the rental battery folks are all excited. I thought the rental thing was "tha best" , why arent u sticking with it?

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

Who told you battery lease doesn’t sell? There lieing to you I sell them so easy I can’t buy enough

Steep! Why would you buy out at that price?

@NicolasRaimo

4 жыл бұрын

Its not steep for 22kwh Renault Zoe's but is for ZE40's which is why they will be sending letters to 22kwh cars first.

For all of you considering buying a Renault Zoe with a battery lease BEWARE!!! I have a 2013 Renault Zoe and my battery health has fallen to 70% after 84,000 miles - I am getting a full range charge of just 45 miles now. You might think it is easy to get a replacement battery from Renault Finance when the battery health falls below 75% (as per the agreement), well it is NOT! I am currently having a nightmare battle with Renault. I have been a firm supporter of electric cars and the Renault Zoe but my opinion is now changing and I am considering going back to petrol, something I never imagined for all these years. Renault are seriously damaging the electric car market with their appalling customer service.

@NicolasRaimo

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like your car is a 22kwh with the incorrect BMS software you need a BmS update this is FREE as part of battery lease and will fix incorrect displayed SOH and range

@LB-rx3ic

3 жыл бұрын

@@NicolasRaimo Please do tell me more - my local dealership has no idea what they are supposed to be doing, Renault wanted to charge me for the updates although I do not see why I have to pay for something that they want to prove - I have already paid for the battery health check which says 70%. It is now booked in for these updates but I do not see how they can make the car go further on a charge?

@NicolasRaimo

3 жыл бұрын

@@LB-rx3ic see my videos on BMS update and there’s a video on brake fluid referring to the battery bms being done for free

@NicolasRaimo

3 жыл бұрын

Passsst make sure you subscribe

@LB-rx3ic

3 жыл бұрын

@@NicolasRaimo Thank you for all your advice and your videos - I have cut and pasted all the links of the clips that I think are relevant and I have emailed them to the Service Manager at my local Renault dealership because they have absolutely no idea about what they are doing. I'm taking my car in on Wed for the BMS update and I don't want it to be a complete waste of time and I want to make sure that they do it properly. Why don't Renault do the BMS as a recall? Surely it would make our cars function better, it would save us all a lot of electricity and it really should be something that they pay for on all cars that have leased batteries where the SOH is less than 75%. I've had a real battle to get Renault to pay for this.