This is actually huge for preservation. Apple are freaking hard mode when it comes to garden wall design. They basically prefer to burn down everything behind them than let a consumer appreciate their history

@foxonboard1

7 ай бұрын

lol, in my head I hear nintendo crying in jealosy

@Aeduo

7 ай бұрын

@@foxonboard1 Nintendo wants to resell you their history over and over again.

@hhhsp951

7 ай бұрын

All their humanity is accidental, so they correct. Goddamned ghost robots.

@LaskyLabs

7 ай бұрын

Having had a hand in hunting down the dominos Miku app, yeah, I know EXACTLY what you mean.

@manitoba-op4jx

7 ай бұрын

apple was dead to me when they killed their skeuomorphic UI

I hope they implement motion emulation, this would be very nice to run classic iOS games on Steamdeck.

@husky3g

7 ай бұрын

Dude if I could have a complete iPod music library app on Steam Deck, that would be sick.

@chaoticsky

7 ай бұрын

@@husky3g that's an interesting use case, hopefully that will be possible (kinda need working sound first though lol)

@kitterbug

7 ай бұрын

there's touchhle for some

@Aeduo

7 ай бұрын

@@husky3g Would be easier and far more power efficient to recreate the ipod app. :p

@Moli05

7 ай бұрын

ur telling me that you want to play 10 year old phone games on a computer

Not just is the old hardware a good stepping stone, the iPod 2g also actually used off-the-shelf arm processor (Samsung S5L8720) with PowerVR MBX Lite GPU. This means there shouldn't be any major undocumented or poorly documented behaviour as is more likely with fully Apple chips. EDIT: Corrected the GPU from: PowerVR SGX535 (which i got from wikipedia, and is wrong, to PowerVR MBX Lite which should be correct)

@Aeduo

7 ай бұрын

PowerVR stuff is notoriously poorly documented and poorly supported.

@JasperPeters

7 ай бұрын

@@Aeduo true but afaik still better documented than proprietary stuff from Apple

@liamsz

7 ай бұрын

@@JasperPeters AFAIK newer apple chips have decent documentation, at least the M series ones, idk anything about the A series chips though

@Aeduo

7 ай бұрын

​@@JasperPetersnot to give apple any credit because it has been mostly reverse engineering but the apple silicon stuff is way better documented at this point than that old powervr stuff.

@ivanv754

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@liamszhopefully the Asahi Linux helps by keeping interest while these devices are new. It’s a 15 year head start for reverse engineering.

It's great to see preservation of hardware like this. As a little fun fact iPod touches are extremely cheap. I got a 4th gen iPod for under 10$ and they should all be easily jailbroken so you can re experience the days of old. They're fun little devices to use, especially just for listening to music, with some decent battery life.

@HammMann

7 ай бұрын

I'm not a phone guy, but i still use a 3rd gen nano today because of how convenient it all is. And don't worry, i did disarm it by replacing the battery. We're good for another 20 years.

@planefan082

7 ай бұрын

Could you point me to a guide or resource for jailbreaking iPod Touch devices? I haven't found any good one and I'm trying to properly revive it with software

Like you said, there's been quite a few but they all got sued out of existence, and most commercial uses for emulating old hardware has moved towards virtual machines specialised for certain clients - and apple have attacked those, too.

I also had a second gen iPod Touch, still have it. Remember how crazy durable it was too, I dropped it like 100 times without a case and it never broke

@NickJerrison

7 ай бұрын

My iPhone 4S was dropped from the second floor and run over by a car and the screen isn't even cracked

@ThePC007

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, but the metallic paint would chip off at the edges after a while. :/

when i worked for apple, we had a handful of something like this but they were just for demo purposes. so we could guide people over the phone on where to go to find a specific setting if you werent too sure of where to find it yourself.. i forgot how many we had but there was at least a handful of them across different IOS versions cause some people would call in on a very outdated version and sometimes things change.. lol

@Nightcaat

7 ай бұрын

Sounds like you used Simulator. That’s still around and is used for app development, but it’s really cool to see progress on other platforms

@Kingelfdemondevourer

7 ай бұрын

@@Nightcaat hmm it wasnt really advanced. it couldnt do anything.. it was more like a pdf style. you click settings for example and it would open settings but you couldnt actually change anything or do anything. was still neat for the time but seeing progress on other platforms is really nice

@NeonPixels81

7 ай бұрын

@@Nightcaat Apple has their own internal emulators that run on the same software the at-home advisors use. While Retail was furloughed during COVID lockdowns we had a training on it because they were going to have us help out taking calls and what not, and we got to play with it. It literally is like having a virtual suite of every current Apple device, and you can select every version of iOS all the way back to launch. It's fun to play with. Not sure if that's the same as Simulator.

IIRC this emulator’s been in development for a while, this is from the same guy who made the first gen touch emulator. I remember seeing progress on this when I tried to setup the then-complete first gen touch emulator a few months back.

@laglife

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's been in development since December 23, 2022.

I'm beyond happy that iOS games have a shot at proper preservation after so many years.

the iPod Touch indeed had graphics acceleration

@r033cx

7 ай бұрын

idk why I'm surprised to see your comment

@TorutheRedFox

7 ай бұрын

lol

We showing our grandkids with this one 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥

this is absolutely amazing! i can’t wait to see what we can emulate in the future

This is honestly really cool! It’s gonna be amazing to see what old iPhones were like back in the day!

As an iPod collector and a preservationist, IT'S ABOUT TIME.

These videos on the Bytes channel are absolutely killing it. Only thing missing for me is the background music

it would be pretty fun to download some games that were delisted due to the 32 bit restriction

@FigureFarter

7 ай бұрын

I was always confused on how 32 bit games slowed down your iphone. My pc could do it despite being low end

@shootingwish

7 ай бұрын

​@FigureFarter8447 they never did apple just has bad decisions

@aiexzs

7 ай бұрын

@@shootingwish can you prove that

@shootingwish

7 ай бұрын

@UJustGotGamed removing 32 bit support? (Not everything they do is bad decisions but just saying i hate this so much i bought a iphone 4 just to play thse again)

@clementpoon120

7 ай бұрын

@@FigureFartercost saving measure so they can get rid of legacy developers

Pretty good job on pronouncing that Dutch name :). Pro tip: add a little more pause between 'de' and 'vos'. Or just call him "the fox" because that's literally what "de Vos' means x)

@Jackpackage22

7 ай бұрын

Lekker bezig man!

@NickBouwhuis

7 ай бұрын

@@Jackpackage22 echt wel

This and touchHLE is kind of an exciting prospect really. Hope these two IOS emulator will keep evolving!

@the_mariocrafter

5 ай бұрын

I wonder which will manage to emulate let’s say the original Chrome app first

This is awesome! I can't wait to see what else is added in there

I really hope we get to the point of having iPhone 4 era emulation along with all the old un-updated apps we can running just for the nostalgia.

This is nice. I got a iPod Touch 3G for Christmas in 2009 and I still use it to this day.

2008 ipod touch 2g / iphone 3g app store games and entertaiment apps, those were the days man..

Considering the number of abandonware games from the early days of smart phones, where generally even if they had other versions the iOS one was the best, this is incredibly important. Wolfenstein RPG is the one I always lament personally, since I think it's probably the best smartphone-exclusive game I've played.

That was my kid's dream back like in 2008

Nice quick video

That brought back some memories. My 2nd iPod was the 2nd gen iPod touch that I bought with some birthday money when I was 13. Man I haven't seen those icons in forever. I remember when I learned about jailbreaking, I would install all sorts of custom apps and tweaks.

having to know this one feels nice to see the iOS of the time was perfectly preserved and at the same time, having iPod touch emulated, feels like the kids who enjoyed these devices feel old already.

Oh this is huge, can't wait to see how this evolves

That's really cool. Maybe at some point we can replay those old gems from the 3 and 4g era too (infinity blade, the old nova and modern combats, shadowgun, dead trigger and the likes).

i have a massive collection of really old IPA files sitting on a hard drive, just waiting to have the chance to be opened again haha. hopefully this is a step forward in being able to paly all of my old classic iPod games, i would DIE for that lmao

I knew this was going to happen someday soon. im glad this was made

i played around with devos50's iPod emulators, both 1G and 2G. there's a lot of out-of-bounds faults and they show themselves on random. still a huge step forward. you can probably find my PR's if you dig a bit ;3

@epicgamerrr263

7 ай бұрын

Weirdo

@Spetterman66

7 ай бұрын

I have done a PR too.

I'm very glad this came out, I was actually really surprised to hear an emulator finally surfacing again

Awesome, thank you for the video :)

Wow right in QEMU too ❤

Sick stuff!

For the project, they should include a jailbreak so you can run custom tweaks

@kotcraftchannelukraine6118

4 ай бұрын

This is very very early version of the emulator, after 1 - 2 years it should be able to run newer iOS with more complete hardware and jailbreak

Yes my first ipod touch, good stuff. Back then i jailbreaked it, ah the memories..

I really hope there will be more iOS emulators then just iPod touches

That's so cool!

I had a first gen iPod touch, and I can't imagine that's much different, besides the lack of app store on the 1G, I suppose.

@djdjukic

7 ай бұрын

It did have the App Store... If you installed iPhone OS 2.0-3.1.3

@Myriadys

7 ай бұрын

@@djdjukic Not when it first came out, though.

this is epic. i cant wait for the emulation to get better!

Congrats on exactly 30001 subscirbers! Im one of them now.

This and touchHLE are my favorite emulation projects of the year.

@the_mariocrafter

2 ай бұрын

Same.

I still use my 1st iPod Touch as my 2011 car's music player. I do worry about the day the battery swells and I have to put the sweet prince to rest. However I've been too busy yelling at the kids to get off my lawn to replace it.

@ParodieHecker-mobile

7 ай бұрын

Just replace the battery

this is awesome

I tried to find one hard,now finally!

this is god’s work

I have the og iPod touch bought it on launch day, also will you do a video when it’s been completed in like 3 years?

that’s crazyyy

Installing this on my steam deck right now

i still prefer to having the actual phone rather than an emulator since i can carry it around and use it normally (ofc with jailbreaking) but it will be quite interesting to have an emulator for older ios which could be pretty useful for testing cydia repository and a whole lot of other things

This is so damn cool

You just got him on the list

I don’t have a PC that could do this but that’s epic

THANK GOODNESS! First Monkey ball getting emulated, now this.

MY CHILDHOOD ACCESSIBLE AGAIN!

im gonna cry i literally had one when i was a kid

0:50: I'm surprised iOS even had error handling for missing WiFi hardware - there were never any iDevices without it, so the fact that they bothered implementing error handling for it surprises me :P

@MaddTheSane

7 ай бұрын

My mom had an iPhone where the Bluetooth/WiFi hardware died. She could still make calls, but couldn't connect to WiFi. So there are situations where the WiFi would not be available on iPod Touch.

@bb010g

7 ай бұрын

You'd also want basic error handling during hardware development.

@Bennett.R

6 ай бұрын

This was my same thought initially, though after thinking some more, it would have been more surprising for iOS to *never* have had any error handling for lack of Wi-Fi hardware, and what we’re seeing here is probably a remnant of sorts from the prototyping stages of the specific version of iOS and applicable devices. I always forget that, at least at one point in time, the earliest prototypes for iDevices were those *HUGE* multi-layer exposed mainboards with LCDs just sitting on top. So if/when a Wi-Fi module on one of those were to get disconnected, it does make sense that iOS would have needed to handle it _somehow_ .

@SKCro.

6 ай бұрын

@@Bennett.R That's true, but the error handing is implemented in a way that seems surprisingly user-friendly - you'd think they'd just remove the option entirely or do nothing when the switch is turned on, but nope, they actually added proper code to handle these situations in a way that's user-friendly (greying out the WiFi icon and switch).

@Bennett.R

6 ай бұрын

@@SKCro. Perhaps in certain rare cases, someone’s Wi-Fi module might have failed somehow, just not to the point of preventing iOS from booting, and this was implemented in order to handle that potential occurrence appropriately. That’s really my best guess. I don’t know much at all about the specific QEMU emulation project/fork for this, but it could be that it’s been based on some very early/non-final build of that iOS, and the handling is only present there, not in the final/GM/whatever.

I will finyally be able to play some of my old ipod touch games that I dreamed to play again but cant because I dont have an ipod touch anymore and those games are only avalable on verry old ios verssions

>iphone >emulator I HAVE AN IDEA MR KRABS

There's one thing, and only one thing, that I really miss from the days when I had an iPod touch, and that's the music player. I've looked everywhere to see if I could find a music player that looks like the iPod touch one, but unfortunately, there isn't one. There's the iPod classic player, but that's about as modern as I can find. Maybe one day I'll get really stubborn and code it myself.

@bingus1265

4 ай бұрын

cover flow.....

Acceleration could be handled with some ios level compat binaries though this requires tremendous reverse engineering and building third party libraries for ios itself. Android equalivent is libvndk and this is still buggy on platforms even though both android and the library is open source

That would be something to consider trying on my MacBook Pro

Would love to see it running on android

I wish that all the other flip phones, smart phones, MP3 players, and the like from all the companies in the world would also be preserved via a similar method. Because the UIs of flip phones just hit different

Honestly I miss the first gen through 5th gen iOS devices. I feel like Apple's real downfall for me was the release of iOS 7. The design of the OS, etc, felt far better in previous version. It kills me to this day that the entire UI is absolutely cluttered with white/pastel colors. I missed the skeuomorphic design of iOS 6 and earlier version. Why they felt the need to ever change what was already great looking OS is beyond me. The move to the "new" iOS 7 theme was one of the main reasons I switched to Android and I still don't regret it almost a decade later. It's also a damn shame the UI design hasn't changed in nearly a decade, either. They're still using the same iOS 7-centric theme for everything with the white/pastel colors and I absolutely hate it. I can't stomach using an iOS device for more than a few minutes.

@Aeduo

7 ай бұрын

To be fair, I do like how modern macOS looks versus basically the past decade of UI design out of apple but yeah it's still pretty bland. Kinda just looks like Ubuntu to be honest. But yeah I just would like more color back to things and not everything be gray, at least as an option. Android does at least allow selecting an accent color that some apps can use so there is that but still super dull.

@HShadz

7 ай бұрын

wit ios 18 it will be changed i think

@jeffffff

7 ай бұрын

We've really gotten to the point where people are nostalgic for skeuomorphism...

@Aeduo

7 ай бұрын

@@jeffffff it covered a very wide range of times. There was some skeumorphic interfaces all the way back in to the 80s.

@circuit10

7 ай бұрын

I much prefer the new UI but I guess it depends on the person. What they should do is make it more customisable

What are the tweaks for getting it to compile on Linux?

Time to really get Apple mad and get this working on Android

I hope a tool to dump an ipod touch storage is figured out soon for emulating on this. I still have a couple 2nd gens just sitting that I’d like to preserve

Fun fact: Jailbreaking is still a thing even on iOS 17 provided you have a checkm8 compatible (read: less than A12) device. Only 4 models of iPad can be jailbroken on iPadOS 17 at this moment.

@ParodieHecker-mobile

7 ай бұрын

Why shouldn't it be a thing anymore? Of course, there are always some developers trying to jailbreak the latest ios firmware. It's been a game of cat-and-mouse for years.

Very neat. I had a first gen iPod touch, a pair of 4th gens, and a 5th gen. I always get a kick out of seeing early iOS, and it's super cool that the early hardware is getting preserved in software.

WOOOO finally we can play infinity blade again!

I really hope iOS emulation gets more eyes on it. There are some banger games that are stuck in older iOS versions, it would be a damn shame to lose those.

@the_mariocrafter

2 ай бұрын

and for a historian’s standpoint, this is extremely important

You made this seem a lot more exciting then it is!

super cool

FINALLY

will i finally be able to play Song Summoner again? i'm so excited.

That's funny, I literally received an iPod Touch 4 yesterday to mess with older versions of iOS for the first time, I never had any iOS devices at the time (well, my brother had an iPod Touch 2G, but I never really got to use it) and I'm learning how to jailbreak, what IPAs are, etc.

@gobivfx1893

7 ай бұрын

What iOS version is yours and have you jailbroken it yet?

@MrCed122

7 ай бұрын

@@gobivfx1893 It has iOS 6 and yes, I did jailbreak it. Can I just how horrible the process of jailbreaking is? Doing it is not even that hard, it's just finding the right way in the 400 that exists.

Finally, the first few steps to achieving one of Apple's nightmares. IOS Emulators

finally WSI windows subsystem for iOS

omfg i can't believe that i lived up to this point in history

i would love a fully functional Palm OS emulator

1:43 “it’s a little complicated” I was able to do it with a tiny bit of issues on Arch Linux!

can you share the Linux compile instructions or make a pull request to give the Linux instructions for every Linux user to use.

I actually have a iPod touch 2nd gen. It's the alternate version though.

MattKC, what distro is it you're using and do you use this full-time?

@dustux

2 ай бұрын

Probably Arch with KDE.

this was the first ever phone I ever owned lol

Emulation is awesome! So there’s this and TouchHLE. Man I would love to play CoD Zombies on my Anbernic RG556. Wish Archetype lasted long enough but then again it wouldn’t need emulation, just a nice upgrade to modern iOS and Android as well… but ofc it’ll come with a damn battle pass 😅

Thanks I already use Melon DS on my Linux Laptop

The iPod Touch 2g on ios 4.2.1 is my favorite definition of "not good". The emulator is impressive though.

What command did you use to compile this upon GNU/Linux?

I found my wife’s old iPod touch it still works with original firmware

Is it available for Windows?

Nifty!

Tell me how you got it running on linux.

But can it play LEGO Island

I didn't knwo you couldn't before

omg we could play tap tap again

Samantha didn’t say hi 😢😂