Hagrid's not even really fat, but a half giant. I think the only real example of a prominent character throughout multiple books where being fat isn't written as a character flaw is Molly Weasley.

@DeadBore

5 ай бұрын

And honestly that’s a whole different trope

One of the many great things about Steven Universe is main character is fat (by cartoon standarts) and it's never played for laughs (that i can remember), so is his mom and she is portrayed as realy beautyful.

@fandommusings5302

5 жыл бұрын

For sure. Steven Universe is much better about body diversity than a lot of kids shows. In early season 1, Steven does come across as a bit of a clueless goofball, but even as he matures into a full blown anime hero, he doesn't slim down.

@thegeekclub8810

5 жыл бұрын

Fandom Musings I think they do a good job of associating his clueless with his age. There are other "fat" characters in the show who aren’t like Steven: Sadie, Amethyst, and Rose.

@Sandreline

5 жыл бұрын

I do think Steven Universe still falls into body archetypes. Pearl is thin and neat. Amethyst is a chubby slob. Greg is a chubby dope. Jasper and Bismuth are both aggressive and masculine, with wide shoulders. They do a good job of breaking away from those stereotypes and giving the characters personality beyond them, but they still do use them for shorthand.

@Hekateras

5 жыл бұрын

I couldn't get into Stephen Universe because the first episode showed him actively trying to binge on ice cream to trigger his magic powers and it made me nauseous and reminded me of some... pretty bad stuff I went through in high school. I don't really know how to classify that in terms of the fat-shaming discussion but...

@elenpena42564

4 жыл бұрын

@@Hekateras I would recommend to most people to just read a resume of the first season and skip to the last few chapters of season 1, and then keep going. Tbh season 1 is not the most engaging and tho it does a good job setting up things is easily skippeable if you just wanna get to the good stuff

In my last two years of high school, when my depression and self esteem issues were at there worst (and my parents, particularly my mother, who is very fit and has never been overweight in the slightest) I took up distance running for a number of reasons. It physically hurt, (not a good reason, but it was for me bc of my issues) it got me out of the house, and I hoped that it would help me lose weight. It didn't. You know what did happen? When I went to the doctors for a check-up, I was complimented on my excellent blood pressure, and strong heart and lungs. At school, during any physical class, I was never the fastest, but I had more stamina than anybody. I started running with my dad, which helped us grow a little closer. I ran in races, three different half marathons over the years (13.1 miles), and I did pretty darn good. I never lost a pound of weight, but I became a lot healthier. Never stopped my mom from poking fun at me, but it did help me stop caring about what she said.

@jjaa_joyjoyartist

3 жыл бұрын

That's great! I'm so glad that exercise and your determination brought your health up and improved your confidence.

"Fat Thor" hit me like a goddamn bullet. I hadn't really paid attention to the media leadup to endgame, and I wasn't even expecting to see it in the theater. A good friend had to basically drag me out of my house to go see the movie with him because, well, after a traumatic event years ago my life is in shambles, I've completely isolated myself and gained a *lot* of weight. When I saw Thor going through basically the same thing I teared up seeing a depiction in a dumb superhero movie that really, surprisingly, hit me deep. And then every damn one started laughing, and the jokes, and oh man it was all I could do to hold it together. Thanks for making this video, it's helped me work through some of that shame.

@charlespancamo9771

6 ай бұрын

hopefully you've stopped making excuses since then and lost the weight.

@ChickenNuggetManCNM

5 ай бұрын

@@charlespancamo9771 Probably not; wanting to actually have health is considered bad now

@charlespancamo9771

5 ай бұрын

@@ChickenNuggetManCNM Really? How so? I mean I know there's fat acceptance and that's one thing but I didn't see society as having gone that far yet. Can you tell me more of what you're talking about?

@ChickenNuggetManCNM

5 ай бұрын

@@charlespancamo9771there are a major amount of people who are saying that even working out or wanting to keep yourself from the negative side effects of being obese is fatphobic.

@charlespancamo9771

5 ай бұрын

@@ChickenNuggetManCNM i think it's a vast minority they just have loud voices so to speak.

I kind of like how the fat Thor has been taken by the fandom and turned on its head for a body positive method. No matter how much you struggle with PTSD, no matter what your weight, you are still worthy.

@wm3709

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah agreed, excluding the shaming, and obvious negative indication towards his weight, fat Thor would've been a great way to show how loss of self confidence, trauma and guilt can lead to a poor diet/bad health/becoming obese. And how weight doesn't change who you are as a person. Problem however is that as OP mentioned in the vid, Thor seems like he's being referred to as stupid and goofy, which may be a show of no self-confidence/self-care, but unintentionally links to his weight, accidentally viewing him as a goofy fat person, rather than someone who became goofy from trauma, and became fat from that trauma itself.

@locky7347

2 жыл бұрын

Can you find me a single example of someone disagreeing with that? Literally just one. I understand this makes you feel like a god person, but you're being manipulated into fighting a non existent enemy

@TheNightmareRider

2 жыл бұрын

@Tony Baloney And that's why I mentioned the fandom reading of it, rather than the movie's text which treats fat people as a punchline.

What makes me happy is that in middle school the videos they showed about puberty were a lot more open-minded. A girl who was starting puberty in the video was thinking that she was "becoming fat and unattractive" and the actress who played her mother actually taught her self acceptance and that as young women mature their bodies develop different shapes. I didn't think much of it as a kid but now that I'm older, fit (I do dance), and still am a large size in clothing that advice is so useful to me now. I used to be a very thin child but as I developed I got a thicker frame. Im so glad that a video as old as that in the early 2000s actually taught self acceptance in one's body and that not every girl develops a thin body. Just thought I'd throw out a lil hope there in the world :)

Not a kids media example, but the fat shaming in Brooklyn 99 is really disappointing to me given how much representation there is for other types of marginalization

@Lizzy3D

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly fatphobia is not nearly as acknowledged as other misrepresentations

@temin2776

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, like skinny shaming

@calistafalcontail

Жыл бұрын

There is a huge difference between being a minority in regards to race or sexuality, and being obese because of bad choices and habits.

@Fluffyolphert

Жыл бұрын

Fat people aren't marginalized

@turnthefrickinfrogsgae9583

8 ай бұрын

Fat People aren’t marginalised, the majority of Americans are overweight, comparing Race and Sexual Orientation to Body Type is offensive because in most instances you can change weight you can’t change race and sexuality.

Yes! All this is so true. Love that you brought in the research regarding how fat shaming actually does the opposite. There was also a meta analysis I read years ago that compared the language used when discussing binge eating vs. restricted eating (anorexia). It was troubling how binge eating was demonized, something that people did in the shadows, something that people did when they lost all sense of control. Then the restricted eating was written as being in control and in power. It was eye opening and truly troubling to me. I wish I kept that article.

I always thought it was really nice how Greg and Rose are both really admirable people with a lot of emotional depth who are still not just allowed to be fat but also seen as attractive to other characters.

@sekispeaks9327

5 жыл бұрын

We all choosen Greg.

@jjaa_joyjoyartist

3 жыл бұрын

@@sekispeaks9327 Young Greg can get it any day.

The she-ra reboot does a great job with body diversity.

@fandommusings5302

5 жыл бұрын

It does! She-Ra does a lot of things really well.

@darkwoods1954

5 жыл бұрын

Not sure how someone who is in a rebellion fighting evil manages to not burn off the calories though.

@oof-rr5nf

4 жыл бұрын

@@darkwoods1954 that is not how weight loss works........

@darkwoods1954

4 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure running around fighting evil, running from gun fire etc would use up quite a few calories.

@oof-rr5nf

4 жыл бұрын

@@darkwoods1954 people can burn calories and still stay fat, my guy. lot of people in real life who engage in physical labour on a regular basis still do not look like whatever's society's current standard of "fit" is. is your complain about a show with talking horses and magic really the fact that all teenagers aren't skinny enough by your standards?

Watch Shrek. “But Fiona, you ARE beautiful!” Was one of the most affirming statements I ever saw in a movie, 💚💚💚

One of the [many] reasons I ADORE Steven Universe is that many of its MAIN characters are overweight, even the protagonist himself, and it's NEVER, NOT ONCE, portrayed as a bad thing. Steven, Rose,Gregg, Ameythst!!! They're ALL fleshed-out, deep, and amazing characters! Additionally, having fat characters gives artists SO much more visual diversity and ARTISTIC CREATIVITY (character design!!!)! (I don't mind villains being fat, like the Witch of The Waste's fatness definitely had symbolism behind it, so I don't think every fat bad guy immediately equals Nothing But Fat Shaming, if that makes sense...MAIN CHARACTERS CAN TOTALLY BE FAT, TOO!)

@SongSupply

2 жыл бұрын

Well being fat is a bad thing

@bleedingbellybutton9403

2 жыл бұрын

No being overweight is terrible

@stripedpolkadots8692

Жыл бұрын

Ignore these replies they have no critical thinking skills

Thank you for this! I was just feeling really bad about another KZread creator shamelessly mocking fat people and passing sweeping judgments. As a person whose health struggles have literally made it impossible to not be overweight, it was hard to hear this guy talk about how people are only fat because of their own laziness, and if they would just choose to work at it, they would lose weight and look good. It's not that simple for a lot of people.

@manuelsalinas5705

3 жыл бұрын

Weight bias and stigma are based on the common belief that people are fat because of laziness or lack of self-control, and it's honestly sad considering that lack of physical exercise and nutritious food aren't the only causes of obesity.

On fatness=/=unhealthiness, even athletes aren't immune to fatphobic criticism. I'm reminded of the "strongest men in the world read mean tweets" video: Tweet: if you're the strongest in the world, why don't you have abs? Powerlifter, chuckling: Abs is not a sign of power. It's a sign you don't eat enough!

With Wall-E, it's not just a matter of wealth and obesity. There's also the commercialism of Buy n Large, a big company more invested in making money than good health, as well as the fact that these people were originally on the ship as if on vacation. Add a couple of centuries and the culture may have changed enough that wealthy no longer equals skinny. Also, I never though of Mrs Trunchbull as fat, just large boned and strong.

@petrfedor1851

4 жыл бұрын

Also human characters in Wall-E are portrayed as sensitive and also brave, just need to be pushed away from their comfort zone (quite literally in this case).

I love smoky quartz from SU because of this. A fusion of two chubby characters who is not only fatter And non-binary, but who is portrayed as a competent yo-yo artist, flexible, funny but never the joke, and struggled with insecurity in other ways but never because of their body.

i am a fat person, and uh. sadly i fit a lot of the stereotypes through no fault of my own. i have trouble with hygiene, but that's because of autism, adhd, and a schizophrenia spectrum disorder that affects my motivation to even DO things. i don't dress well but that's because anything other than a sweatshirt and sweatpants is uncomfortable on me for Texture Reasons. i overeat but that's because of [trigger warning] sexual abuse memories and a lack of impulse control that's almost impossible to control even WITH adhd medication (as i most likely have bpd as well). i also look like one of those fat opera singers with broad backs and broad chests and big stomachs in real life, only painfully short. anyway, with that out of the way, what i wanted to bring up is this: how fat stereotypes intersect with ableism. not to be weird, but it always seems that the "bad fatty" stereotype always overlaps with some sort of symptom of mental illness.

@wonder6835

2 жыл бұрын

I know I am two years late, but you are 100% correct. A lot of fat stereotypes also target mental illness too. Its disgusting and I hate it. Ik I am a random, but I hope you are doing well. I also deal with weight issues and severe mental illness, mainly OCD, and depression.

@charlespancamo9771

6 ай бұрын

you sound like you have every excuse in the world. You ARE AN ADULT, you are TOO OLD to be making excuses. You don't need to go to a gym, you can literally work out at home with no equipment. Hopefully you've done just that in the 4 years since this comment.

i hated how they treated Thor in endgame. when I watched it in the theaters I had a moment were I was really excited to see 'fat Thor' and then everyone in the theater laughed and my heart broke. I just didn't get it, it was so obvious that he was hurting, and it was some big joke? Felt like the Russo's were trying to maintain the happy go lucky air that Taika achieved in Thor: Ragnarok, without really understanding what Taika actually managed to do with that film. Taika embraces a Thor's quirks and then builds a word in which he can truly be who he is, while still allowing the audience to laugh along with him. The Russo's see Thor's quirks (re: fattness) and then only as a punchline. Russos did the same thing with Thor's missing eye in Infinity War. It was just a real shame, because if it had been done right it could have been such an interesting perspective from this character. Also, idc what anyone says Fat Thor can get it, putting a belly on him with those thick arms and thighs, and his plaited beard in the end fight scene, hoo boy, it did things to me.

@fandommusings5302

5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Like, no one laughed when Steven went to a support group. I like Thor has a character so much, and its clear that the Russos just don't know how to write him.

when I was about 12 and 13, I was gaining some weight and I would literally cry in the changing rooms when I would go clothes shopping because I hated myself and how I looked. It was awful, and it was because I had the idea that not being super skinny was bad and ugly. I really could have used this video, it was so great and respectful :)

@charlespancamo9771

6 ай бұрын

it is bad. it is ugly. you have all the power in the world to lose weight at home without any equipment. Hopefully you've done just that in the 3 years since this comment.

in my school, everybody loved matilda and harry potter, but as a chubby kid, I always felt triggered by the way they portrayed fat ppl in those books, still know that I lose weight and grow up I get uncomfortable by this types of things

I'm glad that you brought up the negative side of plus sized Thor especially since, every time I went to see that movie in theaters, and even when Thor was far off in the background and during an extremely dramatic moment in the climax, there was multiple people (young teens and 20-something men of all shape and sizes, mostly) sitting around me laughing their heads off as if The Joker had invaded the theater, gassed the fools, and starting reading the phone book affront of them. Yes, I live in LA, a city that shames everyone for anything, weight and otherwise, but still, it was pretty disturbing social behavior to witness in person, not even bringing up the equally disturbing classicism you thankfully also mentioned above. More videos need to discuss classicism. Although it would be cool to see positive characters of a large size listed in a follow-up video, as you rightly noted that the exceptions are few and far between to the point of non-existent. This doesn't even count times where husky characters who were somewhat decent but flawed blokes in their source material (The Master of Lake-town in the original Hobbit book) are transformed into purely negative antagonists in a later adaptation (The Master of Lake-town from the Hobbit film trilogy). Seriously, what a miserable waste of a good Stephen Fry! Thank you for this video and keep up the good work!

@wilsonkelman986

4 жыл бұрын

Only men laughed at Thor? My entire theater was cracking up, and there were multiple overweight people in it. It all depends on the way you view things, and these people chose to enjoy comedy and laugh with the movie, it's not funny because he's fat, it's funny because of how mighty and chiseled he used to be and how much of a suprise it was to see him change within a couple of scenes.

You forgot about Molly Weasley who is described as plump and is hardly evil or dopey.

fat shaming is prevalent across all media (hell there was even a fat joke in Kamen Rider W a japanese tokusatsu show im currently watching, japan esp tends to have a problem with fatphobia, idk if other asian countries do this), its especially cruel when it's in kids things because it teaches "it's ok to mock fat people, fat people are undesirable and worthy of ridicule, all fat people are dumb and or mean" to kids. Fat jokes are lazy, the joke "hahaha this person is fat" is so played out and it also does a lot of harm to irl fat people. It seems like these stereotypes have been around forever and it makes me so sad. My current BF is 6'4 and about 350 lbs and he is the most intelligent, kindest, most caring person i've ever known (and also he's HELLA strong, he's been helping people move a lot recently) and often feels like he's unattractive and it breaks my heart because he's adorable to me.

You know, Scar from the Lion King is rather skinny. I guess that means kid's films hate those who are skinny? If they make the villain skinny. You see the point I'm making? Just because several villains or throwaway characters are fat, it doesn't mean the creators hate fat people.

I can think of another harmful trope fat characters fall into: The supportive yet feeble mom character. It tells fat people that if they want to be good and useful they should have children, play an auxiliary role in their lives, and hope they take care of her while they go off and be the important protagonist. It tells fat people to be secondary to their thin counterparts. It tells fat people they're incapable of supporting themselves. I don't consume a ton of media, so I can't think of an example off the top of my head, but I know I've seen it. Actually I can sort of think of an example. In Wreck-It Ralph the whole premise of the Fix-It Felix arcade game is that the svelt thin fixer has to save a bunch of short, fat civilians from the overweight monster destroying their luxury penthouse. Then they throw a party for Felix for saving all of them.

@gleann_cuilinn

4 жыл бұрын

Danielle Anderson Molly Weasley from Harry Potter is this too. It’s another example of fatness being used as a shorthand, rather than showing fat people simply existing

@danielleanderson6371

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. All characters default to fit, conventionally attractive white people unless there's some sort of stereotype the writers want for that character. It's just plain lazy character design, on top of the social implications.

@DreamyAileen

7 ай бұрын

To be fair, Wreck-It Ralph is a subversion of those tropes Also I think it's a bit of a misnomer to call Ralph "overweight", he's got the (cartoon-ified) physique of a strongman. That kind of body takes a _lot_ of training to achieve in real life

Thanks for this video. I think for those well-versed in fat shaming, most of this is common sense. But it's nice to have it explained in succinct video format.

This definitely made my childhood a fun place to navigate 😒

@kendriccoley7053

5 жыл бұрын

There's alot of context missing from this whole video.

Now that I think back to when I first watched Endgame for the first time, I remember I wasn't as amused as my friends were when it showed Thor being fat because he is one of my favourite Avengers. Sure, I laughed because it was unexpected, but then I thought like: "Damn that's how Thor is coping? Life's been really rough for him". And then the movie proceeds to make fun out of his depression and inability to cope in many scenes he was in. I haven't given it much thought since then but watching this video and reading the other comments makes me glad that I'm not the only one thinking this way. I really relate to Thor because I also have unhealthy/unwholesome ways of coping with my sadness but maybe that's what made me feel kind of heartbroken when I saw how nobody in the theatre seemed to care that he was depressed and were howling with laughter instead. We still have yet to evolve as a society I suppose.

damn why do these "fat positivity activists" never understand what wall-e means

The Thor fatshaming rubbed me absolutely the wrong way because basically EVERYONE makes a joke about it, instead of accepting it as his reply to his trauma. I hated it. And yes I really really hope Taika fixes it because the Russos really did Thor dirty

@fandommusings5302

5 жыл бұрын

Between that and what they did with Nat, Endgame just ended up being pretty sour for me.

@nothingpenguin7576

5 жыл бұрын

@@fandommusings5302 Don't forget the absolute dumpster fire that they made out of Steve's character arc

@realtots2201

5 жыл бұрын

i just hope that the new Thor doesn't start with Thor magically thin again, it would be such a missed opportunity, and I am really curious to see how Taika would handle a fat Thor

@theobenzmiller5522

5 жыл бұрын

Let's be clear though, Waititi's treatment of trauma in Ragnarok isn't that much better. There the trauma itself is made the subject of the joke. I'm hoping that was just him getting used to the character, and he'll be better in Love and Thunder.

@nothingpenguin7576

5 жыл бұрын

@@theobenzmiller5522 Sorry but how was it made a joke in Ragnarok? Serious question, cause I haven't seen it in a while

made me tear up a bit because this highlights just how much these things have affected me in the past in media that i didnt even realise it was in, very informative and helpful thanks!

Mikey from Recess is NOT "dopey". He’s a poet, an artist, and one of the kindest and most emotionally intelligent characters in the show. You really messed up by including his picture there. He’s one of the few fat characters in kids animation from the 90s that serves as positive representation.

@stephaniewozny3852

5 жыл бұрын

I agree that Mikey is a positive example of an overweight character, and should not have been included as a "bad guy" or a "doofus to laugh at". However, I think "really messed up" is a bit much. She did a good job overall in her examples.

@lees2404

5 жыл бұрын

I was just going to point out the same thing! Mikey does not fit the trope at all

@Jamied2

4 жыл бұрын

The point of Mikey is that he thinks very differently than the other kids. He’s not dopey, but his way of thinking does not make sense to them. In a way, he’s more mature than they are; they all have one track minds, but Mikey thinks about the implications and all possible outcomes. Because of this, he is often dismissed, even though he is often right. I believe it is the dismissal, rather than Mikey himself, that puts him in the category of oafish sidekick. He is not an oaf, but compare the way TJ treats Mikey to the way Jimmy Neutron treats Carl and you will find a lot of similarities.

@flowersgurl403

2 жыл бұрын

@@stephaniewozny3852 just say fat that's easier

@stephaniewozny3852

2 жыл бұрын

@@flowersgurl403 I'll use whatever term I feel like using, thank you very much.

As someone who has been struggling with eating disorders most of their life, thank you.

This is such an eloquent and well rounded video, great job! This is a subject which really needs to be talked about. I still remember how refreshing it was to see steven universe use characters with many diverse body types, including the protagonist himself, who is fat, and that fact is never used to shame him.

“Im not fat... im pleasantly plump!”

Actually seeing Mikey and Harold in here I wanna talk about Recess and Hey Arnold. In Hey Arnold Harold starts out as a bully, but comes around eventually, so I am not sure he fits this to a tee. But more importantly there is actually an episode about his weight that is way better than anything from the 90s concerning that topic has any right to be. It's about how him being shamed makes him self concious so he sets out to lose weight. However he gains a lot of weight instead because he copes with his self loathing by eating and starts isolating himself. Arnold wants to help him lose weight, but he feels hopeless to do so. In the end he realizes that he actually was never unhappy with his body before and that returning to the level of overweight that he had before and was actually happy with is a much more realistic goal than being skinny and he manages to get back to it. Obviously the episode has it's unrealisticallities, but the fat shaming is at all points shown as a shitty thing and the message of "don't work to be skinny, instead work to where you feel good" is so much better than most of what we see. On the side of Recess, yeah Mikey is not exactly the best fat representation, and neither is a character like Gelman. (And I am not too big a fan of how they drew most more sympathetic fat characters with less defined chest and Gelman with full on man boobs.) However the show in general I find does a really good job at representing different body types. I am currently rewatching the whole of it and there is a lot of fat characters in it. Most notably, the one most people tend to forget/never realize is actually fat: TJ. Who is canonically fat (based on his given weight and the fact that he is below average in size he even qualifies as obese), he is drawn significantly fatter than any of the skinny characters, and he not only doesn't fall into any of the usual pitfalls, but he's even the charismatic leader whom nearly everybody, both in the show and in terms of viewers love dearly. He's never shown as unhealthy or slobbish, he is never the butt of fat jokes and he is shown to be entirely comfortable being himself. Honestly I feel he is an often unfairly overlooked piece of really good fat representation in kids media and more people need to stop sleeping on that show.

A person should always be treated with respect no matter their weight or health. Period. Thank you for this video. Its message is so important.

This was really great, well balanced, and random side note I love your voice. It's very soothing + I'm thankful you're using it to spread such an important message!

As someone who has been overweight since a very early age, I've definitly had the fat stigma locked into my mind and has lead to a lot of self esteem issues for myself. Always made me less likely to go out or put myself out there due to fear of social ostracization. I'm trying to lose now and part of that was telling myself that it's okay to be overweight right now.

@ananananabop

5 жыл бұрын

Dan aka Lock hello, sorry if this seems intrusive, but you might be interested in reading the book Body positive power by Megan Jayne Crabbe. Speaking as someone who also grew up fat and with incredibly low self esteem, and evolved into a fit person with still rock bottom self esteem; it was immensely helpful for me. I hope you find happiness and acceptance edit: To be clear; now I'm what could be considered fat once again (although not as fat as I once was) And my brain is so much better than it's been, even at my slimmest and fittest. Its really okay to be "overweight"

@ArchineerLock

3 жыл бұрын

@@ananananabop thanks!

@charlespancamo9771

6 ай бұрын

it's ok to be where you're at,sure! But it's NOT OK to stop losing being healthy and stop actively losing weight. Hopefully you've shed a lot since the time this comment was made.

This is a great breakdown of fat representation in the media and I'm really glad that you included some actual facts about how weight gain actually works. Also, (nitpick)I think Harold from "Hey Arnold!" is more of a subversion, really. He does start out as your typical fat bully, but over the course of the series, he gets fleshed out as a character . There was even a whole episode devoted to Harold's struggle with how others perceived his weight vs how he felt about his weight and if he was happy with it.

@furynotes

4 жыл бұрын

She doesn't give actual facts. She just antidote and opinion of how weight gain actually works. Thats what sad about it. The only thing that was factual is people don't know nutrition. She assumes rich people are healthy. Gal Gadot is not healthy neither is Margot Robbie. Because both of them say the same thing. I just listen to what my body needs. + money for trainers to get them to back into shape. You know who is healthy. Chis Hemsworth and Natalie Portman. They both have vegan diets. Because Cholesterol is bad despite doctors saying its good for you. There is no such thing as good cholesterol. Those doctors want to sell you thing you don't need and that keeps you poor. I could go on.

Fat shaming works? NO. Are you a coach to help physically, a psychiatrist to help mentally or a friend to support morally? None of them ? Overweight people needs supports not shame. Instead off calling someone "fattie" You could invite them to jog with you share your new healthy recipie. The solution is making a healthy life welcoming and less expansive.

A message from the future regarding Thor: Taika made ir WORST. Like the dude is straight up fatphobic and any plus size characters he's given ends up either dead or magically skinny

I'm surprised you didn't also being up the ableism in the Wall-E example, with humanity not just being fat but also reliant on technology and unable to move around much, like that's regressive. Of course fatphobia and ableism often intersect too

@turnthefrickinfrogsgae9583

8 ай бұрын

As a disabled person Wall-E isn’t ableist in the slightest, too be fair I’ve not seen since it’s release when I was like 6

@DreamyAileen

7 ай бұрын

Did we...watch the same movie? The humans in Wall-E _are_ able to move around, the main reason they were so reliant on technology for most of the movie was because they _chose_ to be. By the time the Axiom returns to Earth they're back on their feet and the credits sequence shows them working to restore the Earth while still keeping the same fat physiques

If you want an really good example of an overweight character in children's media, You should check out this cartoon called Harvey Street Kids, there's a girl named Lotta who's shy and kind but also super strong and loves to dance and she's just an overall great character.

@manuelsalinas5705

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you brought this up. Lotta is one of the few fat characters who isn't your typical lazy, gluttonous, undesirable fat stereotype; in fact, she defies ALL of those stereotypes! She is one of the few chubby characters that gives me hope that the overused fat trope will one day be forgotten and plus-size characters will finally earn positive representation.

I am ashamed to say I laughed when I first saw Thor. I understand now how wrong I was. Thank you, this was very well substantiated and will make sure to share your video next time I see fat shaming.

@TheSolitaryGrape

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for acknowledging your mistake. Growing and learning is part of life, and the fact that you saw something that contradicted your view, listened, and learnt from it is really impressive and great. Thank you.

@lorendaemon7945

5 жыл бұрын

I always like seeing someone grow and learn instead of doubling down. Good job, that's a mark of maturity.

"It is very possible to be fat and healthy or to be thin and unhealthy" LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

@DrewLSsix

5 жыл бұрын

It’s very possibly to be skinny and unhealthy, but being over weight is not a healthy condition. It does not matter how many times you lie to your self it doesn’t matter how loud you are overweight is not healthy and it kills more people than cars and guns combined. That in no way justifies jokes abuse disrespect threats etc but the medical realities should not be sacrificed on the alter of good feels. You wouldn’t denigrate someone with cancer or a massive infection, but you wouldn’t go so far as to argue they are healthy. Don’t do do that to people that are over weight.

@BobLogical

5 жыл бұрын

@@DrewLSsix It's much easier to just say, "I didn't watch the video and am also a stupid piece of shit."

@DrewLSsix

5 жыл бұрын

Anti-Mattering I haven’t watched the video and I’m not responding to the video. I’m responding to the original comment that you can be fat and healthy. It’s wrong, and spreading that idea is more deadly than telling kids smoking isn’t dangerous and that you drive better drunk. If people could just separate the politics of the thing from the actual medical component of the thing we could both improve the treatment of people who are being marginalized or abused while also improving the health of people so they can enjoy a longer life of equality and liberty. And I would like to point out that everything I have said has been said kindly and compassionately, with understanding from the perspective of someone who also struggles with weight health and food addiction. You on the other hand opens with an attack and by being derisive, this video is supposedly about respect and representation but you didn’t get that memo did you? I’m not here to fight you or even convince you, and I’m certainly not here to do some pointless flame war. I’m here to leave some comments to hopefully help someone perusing this section looking for support. Because while someone might naturally want to take the affirmation that everything is fine I know that it’s better for them if someone tells them the truth. And it’s not even a hard truth, its actually an empowering truth! Your weight and to a large degree your health is in your hands. You have the power to improve things and that can mean anything from dropping a few pounds and enjoying the lessened knee pain to taking the hard core route and forging your body into something entirely different from what you have known. Being told that you are fine the way you are might give you a bit of satisfaction in the moment but it does nothing to improve your life in the long run. So, don’t take shit from anyone, be proud of who and what you are, but know that you have far more control over your life health and happiness than any other person in the world!

@BobLogical

5 жыл бұрын

@@DrewLSsix "I haven’t watched the video" Well, there you go.

@beckyginger3432

5 жыл бұрын

@@BobLogical you are my hero! I would like to make you my new deity- if you are chill with that?

Nothing can measure human value... AMAZING ending!!! That's so important!!!! Thank you!!!!!

I really agree.. 98% people with extra weight that I know in my life were the most kind hearted, no stingy, warmth, a truely loyal friend n a shoulder to cry on.

Another good example would be Inside Out with Happiness being an energetic active and heroic thin girl while Sadness is fat, sluggish, mopey and less bright I think the fact that this movie is made in collab with psychologists makes it much worse

This is such a thorough and eloquent video and the emphasis on why this media is especially harmful to children is absolutely wonderful and necessary. Thank you for making this video :)

I've got to say apart from a few comments! This comment section is surprisingly good for a video about fatphobia. Also there is a difference between body positivity and fat liberation.

I completely agree about thor, but I do want to point out that Thor is trying to seem ok, by making light of most things or like it's not bothering him and that can come out as funny. Sometimes this works and sometimes this doesn't. I feel that they did thor a disservice by not really finishing his emotional ark. He is a little better after talking to his mom and at the end going to find himself basically, but it left with the feeling not much was solved.

Thanks for a great video! Fatshaming is one of those things even people with good values often ignore or don't think about.

Choji is one of the 3 teens who defeated the special ninja soldiers of a Bag Guy and they literally show his body burning trough his weight in second as a way to give him Superman-strength (which almost kills him+he also gains the weight back pretty much right away). All this on a mission he was intentionally chosen for by the only boy from that year group to advance to higher shinobi rank (a boy who is his best friend, but also a certified genius in the comics). Where is the bumbling sidekick part exactly? He's one example that doesn't fit the bill at all. Gluttony from FMA doesn't fit either, because he's not evil because he's fat, he's fat because he is GLUTTONY personified. Just like Lust isn't sexist because she's a hot woman in gown fighting with her fingernails. Neither does the guy from Cloudy..., because again: it's a plot-point of him gorging himself on food. Video is really good, just too broad with examples like above.

@fandommusings5302

5 жыл бұрын

Watsonian defenses of Doylist criticism. Like, of course you can try to frame specific examples in a more positive way with small details from the within the source, but they are still examples within a larger trend.

@spiderlily723

5 жыл бұрын

​@@fandommusings5302 There is a difference between being Doylist and just throwing every single example that matches into one bag. If you're trying to talk about harmful trends you cannot just point and say 'this character is fat and dummy!' and be done - in this frame new She-ra propagates fat-shaming since Glimmer is chubby and pretty bumbling too. Maybe try for a longer video or focus on one fandom if you can't avoid oversimplifying like that? You missed a pretty big important background with Rowling with Molly, English class system and kid lit, which ties into Dahl and the genre as well. Even with Thor and the difference between female and male being fetishised in hero movies.

This is an absolutely fantastic video, I’m so glad you addressed the class issue.

Also one aspect of the humans in Wall-E is a low gravity environment. Being lazy or eating to much won't reduce your bone growth, low gravity does.

I love your text asides in the video

Personally I don’t really agree with the wall-e example, it represents a pretty dystopian situation (it’s not even the first one to do so like this) and the movie is an overall critic on capitalism and over consumption. They eat because they always tell them to or because they’re bored, and just like people in real life who behave like that they gain weight. Overall agree with the rest of the vid just had to get this chip off my shoulder :)

@colindowden2182

3 жыл бұрын

Agree this moron doesn't understand satire.

@SomeRandomDude000000

3 жыл бұрын

It's not a very good one

It's really nice to know someone else is upset about this... I always feel like people think I'm whiny and just complaining for no reason when it comes to being upset about this stuff. You validate my feelings.

I gained a large amount of weight in a short time when I was around nine or ten, like from 90 to 120 by 6th grade when I grew again. This was also when I passed the 4 foot 2 mark and settled on 4 foot 10 for awhile. My dad wanted me to lose weight, and my sisters told me to suck it in, and I didn't know why I was still around my same height yet was gaining so much weight. I was a skinny kid and was wondering what was happening. I liked Meghan Trainor alot and tried to stay positive, but I think I ended up shoving it down, because in 7th grade it was a not fun time.

My favorite thing is that all of this is cited by studies. Amazing!

Then Clover and Daphne should have kept their weight no matter what.

@Greedfa

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed They look much better

I don’t see what people seeing of big people? The first time I see fat characters was totally spies. I always liek clover, seeing her fat doesn’t fades me... Clover looks very attractive with the extra weight. Over weight Women’s always caught my eyes 👀.

@lunar4143

4 жыл бұрын

yeah you’re fucking weird

I LOVED Invader Zim as a child, and now that the movie is coming out 18 years after cancellation, I'm PSYCHED. But I am completely resentful of how. The first issue of the comic was drawn and Written by Jhonen Vasquez, a skinny man who really clearly has issues with fat people, and features one of the main characters getting fat and gross and smelly because he can't possibly look away from his spy cams on the alien invader for three seconds. They're keeping this in the movie. It's gross for no reason, and I hate it.

I’d like to take this opportunity to get those who watched this video to assist me, as someone who wants to write a children’s cartoon, how to represent those with larger weight respectfully so that I can avoid the pitfalls shown in the shows that Rosie used as examples of fat-shaming. I have an important character, a love interest actually, who is larger than those around her. But she is actually the genius of the group, and suffers from fat shaming at the hands of a bully in the show’s narrative. I’m thinking of exploring the main character being conflicted about his feelings for her due in part to her weight. How do any of you reading this, think I can best explore that without coming off as disrespectful to this character with a weight problem?

@stripedpolkadots8692

Жыл бұрын

Honestly you had me until you said the main character questions his attraction to her due to her weight. Having a non comedic love interest who is overweight is pretty cool already.

@EntertainmentExpertz

Жыл бұрын

@@stripedpolkadots8692 yeah I have since removed that aspect from the narrative, having grown to realize that it is irrelevant and would be best to show that the character's attraction shouldn't have anything to do with the love interest's weight

How have I not find your channel before? 😱

Mario is probably one of the most positive kids characters who is recognized as chubby. The only time that a major part of his character is that he really, really likes to eat from what I remember is in the American 80s cartoon.

My friend was writing an essay on representation of mental health issues in the media and they said Thor was a positive example but is he tho???

Hey I have a question regarding crediting you in one of my videos, and copyright, where can I contact you about it?

Wait, I want to hear your thoughts on Hibike Euphonium!

Commenting again in hope that you`ll notice: I have a question regarding crediting you in one of my videos, and copyright, where can I contact you about it?

@fandommusings5302

4 жыл бұрын

Hi! Yes,what is your question?

@thedekuseed4965

4 жыл бұрын

@@fandommusings5302 Hey! Thanks for answering. So im writing a video that touch on a lot of the topics you discuss in your video about the train scene in spirited away. Ecspesially MA. My idea is to somehow connect it to other newer movies, and games actually, and see what they can "learn" from this idea. I dont want to be accused of stealing your ideas or anything. SInce your video is the one that inspired me. So the least I could do is ask if it was okay if I "elaborated" on some of the things you talk about, in my own video. And how you want me to credit you.

i want to see that lego movie 2 video in that poll

Harry Potter rants will never not be relevant.

Its what we call learning

thank you

Yikes indeed.

The Thor one made me wince really hard when I saw Endgame, it just felt really unnecessary

Nice video, btw. More people should see it.

The avengers represent the 5 stage of loss/grieving with Steve being the counselor.

By the way, do you think the next Disney heroine should be on the heavy side?

THANK YOU FOR CALLING OUT WALL-E!!!!! So many people defend its fatphobia and it’s sick

loved the video! 👏👏👏

wow. I never realized this trope despite having always been fat. That was an interesting video, thank you for making it. It gave me food for thought.

@calistafalcontail

Жыл бұрын

Stick to food for thought maybe and you might stop beign fat...

In Cartoon Network's recent Victor and Valentino, of the two titular step-brothers it's the plus-sized Valentino that's the smarter of the two.

God I wish adults would use those more developed brains to counter act fatphobia like please, pleeeaasee. Then again adults are also racist, abusers and so on. I think a fair argument is made that adults are often stuck as teens and never continue to use empathy. And by which I mean older than millennials. Since I deal with those groups a lot but the fact adults write this, in adult and children's media shows the empathy problem is real for adults they also are more likely to never question what they see in media, the older adults I see are mindless consumers and so they internalize this crap. The more I type the more I hope there are more critical adults out there than not but (sigh)

I do too

I came to your channel for your rad Studio Ghibli videos. Stayed for the rad breakdown of anti-fat bigotry and its many evils and consequences. We need more people making content like this!

I agree a lot besides the part on the "if you're classified as obese, you can still be healthy, if your bloodwork is fine you're healthy." If you wanna associate that with obese fit then sure, but when we speak about obesity on people who aren't actual built in a lot of muscle. In the long term it can cause health concerns. If you're curious, you can watch Kiana Docherty's video about Tess Holiday and the FA movement (Politics, Lies and Health). For the record, if you're overweight you're fine but if you're hitting that obese category when it's mostly body fat I would recommend to slowly make changes to your lifestyle and learn a bit about what your body needs in regards to nutrition, any small change makes the difference that is if you have the privilege to do so. To be thin, is to have some sort of privilege; whether that be education, money or time etc etc. can we plz just end capitalism and put people's mental health and physical health as top priority? Healthcare and health education I s a right for all! I'm excited to binge watch your videos! Thank you for waffling and my apologies if I have a skewed outlook on this. I just can't simply fully agree with the idea that obesity (non muscle kind) is totally okay. I do understand that some medical professionals do not listen to their patient's concerns and just say LoL bRO losE weiGht, how some people are not hired because of prejudice on their weight- it's terrible. The reason I'm a bit paranoid is that there are some radical talks on weight loss and how it's murder or something coming from people who have been fairly traumatized by their past experiences. Predatory fad diets, shaming, etc etc. I hope the world gets better, slowly. We need public healthcare bad.

In Paprika the fat guy is a computer genius and he gets the girl at the end so that's neat

I recently started rereading Harry potter and I'm so glad I'm not the only one who noticed

In the case of totally spies they where catering to audiences that where into that if you catch my drift. Totally spies has a long track record or if there was a subculture of people into it they’d do it often multiple times and element of the show that would have been less creepy if the characters where adults.

I think there's nothing wrong with being bigger... it's just a problem if you are unhealthy overweight/obese (that's just not good to encourage/make positive because there are SERIOUS health issues that come along with that). But it's also not good to bully, because people are those weights for reasons. I could be a number of things: Disorders Mental health Not having the right resources Or their body just simply works that way (doesn't make it healthy, but it's not even a choice)

Woahhhhhh hold on. Characters like soos and patrick and lots of other cartoon characters need to take another thing into accountm shapes and silhouettes show character. And characters like soos for example are friendly, childlike and caring, and using round shapes is how you show that without words. Same way lots of villains use triangles. Although i do agree with a lot of your points, media in general isnt great with diversity, weight in paticular. Although, gluttony makes SENSE, all he does it eat and hes a caricature of a sin, same goes for lust (the others werent quite so easy to show)

It’s okay to be chubby but like then it gets to a level of we except it when you have a heart attack

@reluctantlydancing

2 жыл бұрын

This is a shitty comment and you should feel bad for writing it.

@shadowraptor9163

2 жыл бұрын

@@reluctantlydancing it’s okay to big plus sized and big but when it becomes a hindrance to everyday life like you can’t walk or your like those on my 600lbs life then it should a concern and issue

@mellamotina5100

2 жыл бұрын

@@reluctantlydancing hows it bad and shitty? op is right. being overweight is okay on some level but being obese should be considered a medical crisis… because it truly is

@gelnox

2 жыл бұрын

@@shadowraptor9163 too much of anything is bad basically

Excellent video! Well-spoken and well-informed. I would subscribe if I wasn't already subscribing :D

you’re so cool ;)

The message I got from this video is “go watch Hairspray.” Did anyone else get that message? It’s a good message.

Good

With regards to WALL E, what a weird message regarding what people who spend all day sitting down staring at screen, while having ease of access to everything, look like considering the job and hours of animators. (Lots of overtime for months on end.)

5:29 What? He's great character!