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Interesting video by 2 interesting blokes, you learn a lot by just listening to this stuff. thanks for the video Jan and Pavlin

Really enjoying this series of videos, although I was kinda looking forward to the longer version of Jan’s story. Safe travels gentlemen.

@dekca583

4 жыл бұрын

Peter T It will take all day 😅

Yamaha shoud be compared with BMW g 650 GS Sertao. Still nice review Best regards!!!

Larger front wheel better suited off road, or on British roads with all their potholes. You could have great adventures on either bike, the limiting factor is usually us, the rider.

@motorcycleadventures

4 жыл бұрын

Agree

The BMW Sertao G650GS with the 21" front wheel, raises the clearance 7cm, from the standard G650GS. It also has more power, less vibration and better fuel economy than the Tenere 660. I installed the f650gs 17ltr fuel tank to increase the fuel range to 430km. Changed the handlebars to ProTaper and installed progressive front springs with emulators and a wilbers rear shock with a +30kg setting. It now glides, with or without luggage, over corrugations and corners like a champion on all road surfaces. The bmw Sertao g650gs, with the Rotax 652 single motor (arguably the best 650 single on the market) has a solid foundation to set up an excellent adventure / dual sport bike. The Sertao is essentially the same bike as the Dakar, except with updated lights, dials, switches, covers, paint colors and a smaller fuel tank. This is my third Rotax 652 single and still no oil leaks.

@motorcycleadventures

3 жыл бұрын

Ride whatever is good to you but to state that the Certao is the best single on the market is just unserious. We will talk again when, if you reach the mileage that my Tenere has (171,000km at the moment) without any single problem!

@fennaldon7938

3 жыл бұрын

@@motorcycleadventures you missed the word 'arguably' in my paragraph, and you miss spelt 'Sertao'. You obviously got offended by a different opinion, and i'm guessing you haven't ridden a modified Sertao. That 171,000 km sounds impressive, and I have never seen or heard of a g650gs rider go that far on his or her bike, 169,000km is the most i've seen. I did seriously look at buying a Tenere before the GS, because it had an excellent reputation, but the vibration and lack of power turned me away. I also asked around Tenere owners if the vibration is typical or was it just that particular (new) bike that i test rode. They all got offended and wouldn't give me a straight answer, so i had to assume the vibration is typical. Each to their own buddy, I'll continue to praise the Rotax motor because my experience and research points that way, and i will also never deny that the 660 Tenere is a very reliable, long range bike worthy of any off road adventure. Fortunately we all have different values, otherwise we'd all be riding the same bike.

@eymanyouwell

Жыл бұрын

@@fennaldon7938 I've been looking to get a normal GS650 (over here in aus, the sertao is signicantly more expensive and harder to find) and I am 183cm. Do you think it's a good way to go?

Important information for people in the used ADV market. Thanks guys.👍

@kevinnashskitchen3517

3 жыл бұрын

Oops.. saw this a year ago 😂☑️

Great job on this one!!

@motorcycleadventures

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Great to hear Jan’s experience. I have a G650GS Sertao, which is closer to the Yamaha. 21” front wheel and higher ride height. It’s a comfortable road bike with ABS and heated grips as standard, but much more off road capable. I love the rotax engine. It has long reliability history. I think that the BMW build quality is not as good as Yamaha. (Rotax engine doesn’t leak oil). My BMW badge fell off the bike, the front wheel is too soft and easily damaged and the handle bars bend easily. The bike needs better protection to be used off the roads. Lucky that replacement parts are easy to come by to make the Sertao a good option. Aftermarket exhaust sounds great. The suspension is soft but comfortable and the fuel consumption not more than 4l/100km for me. It is comfortable to ride all day on gravel roads and carries luggage well with a good choice of aftermarket parts. It’s not the best bike for easy maintenance access, but ok. I think it is a mistake for riders to overlook this size bike. I happily toured New Zealand for years adventure riding this size bike. Great part of the country there, hope you can go through central Otago, however the options in winter are more limited.

@mdybos

2 жыл бұрын

Rotax was made in Austria and it was in f650gs, and f650gs dakar. The bike was made in Germany...Serteo has no Rotax engine and is a copy of rotax, all the bike is made in Thailand, 30percent lower quality. Stand beatween this two bikes dakar and sertao, sertao lokes like scooter. Maybe they changed back for rotax, but my friend had sertao from 2010 I think and the dielear told us that bike is made in Thailand, Rotax jad his signature on the engine. I think you dont have this signature on sertao

@Jason.1999

Жыл бұрын

@@mdybos Sertao has Rotax from 2011-2016 i belive

@hagood6203

11 ай бұрын

Thank you for your kind explanation.

Thanks for the honest review. I am headed to Miami for Christmas and I will be renting a G650GS there. I can't wait to ride it and compare it with my former DL650 V-Strom and my current Himalayan.

@motorcycleadventures

4 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

Enjoyed this little comparison and story telling time....do I sense a bias? :-) Nice bikes, ride safe!

nice review, Thanks !

Thank you, Pavlin, for this very informative video. In the future, could you also place your foot on the foot peg as you are seated on the bike? To many of us, the bike's hip and knee angles are important considerations for us to enjoy the bike without physical discomfort. Thanks again.

Little bit off topic...What is the microphone that you using, and do you using the same mic during your rides ? :) It has great sound quality

U R the king of the road , Mate ....... Love you brother, lots of love from South India. Planning to get one of these soon, thank you for your fffffffffffffeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnntttttttttttttaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssssssssssstttttttttttttttttttttttttttiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiikkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk presentation,

@motorcycleadventures

3 жыл бұрын

Anytime!

Nice review. Thanks.

That xt leaking oil? Yes another great interview Every bike has its own soul which is another reason why we love rideing

@pre-dawnraid9037

4 жыл бұрын

Nah. Kickstand foot.

Good review. Jan's South African accent is still loud and clear! :-)

@dekca583

4 жыл бұрын

Kalahari klong. Kan dit nie help nie.

@ekke7457

4 жыл бұрын

Lekker ou Jan!✌🏻

@andygolem5514

4 жыл бұрын

I heard him saying "he rides it on his farm" and I knew

@tristanmillard2456

4 жыл бұрын

Afrikaanse boerkie for the win

@markschwarzer4258

3 жыл бұрын

Afrikaanse soo ver van sy huis👍🏻

Lekker man lekker, enjoyed the video👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@charliesadv8493

4 жыл бұрын

Ek glo nie die ander lot gaan Lekker man, Lekker verstaan nie hahaha

@deonnimb9505

4 жыл бұрын

@@charliesadv8493 Maar baie sal

I have ridden a brand new 2011 G650GS for 3 years. It was a very easy bike to handle. Still regret for having sold it...

for cold weather riders bmw advantage is 400W alternator output for gadgets and electric clothes, yamaha has better fork protection from mud. The main difference between bikes is engine, yamaha has oldschool classic engine... rotax is reliable too but overengineered -even chain and spockets are mounted on the right side, opposite then on other bikes...

Pavlin, great review mate. Just a small suggestion if I may, I believe the engine for BMW G650GS has been manufactured in China by Loncin company. The original one in the 90s was made by Rotax in Austria.

@serpe1234

4 жыл бұрын

The engines assembled in china are painted black, the ones from austria are silver. This one is silver.

@thinkingoutofthebox.9421

4 жыл бұрын

All are made in Germany just some where assembled in China (overseen by BMW engineers) but are just as reliable.

I had to explain to me wife...😆 Unfortunately I live in country, where we don't have gravel roads. Last week tried tenere... I love that bike even more than 850gs. I felt myself really like a traveler, while on gs I had more comfort.

Hi Pavlin. Your video helped me a lot in choosing the motorcycle I would like to go on a trip of several weeks. I was considering buying Tenere or Transalp. I chose the BMW G650GS. Why? By mistake. For a joke, I raised the price at the auction. After a few days, you turned out that I won ... Great motorcycle. Light, well-balanced, high torque, very comfortable.

@motorcycleadventures

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@macfir8124

3 жыл бұрын

Motorcycle Adventures Thanks for you videos👍

Loved it. Don't blame any bike for going too fast. Blame the cops. No cops = no speeding :-). Love this vid. Been there too with explaining to my wife why I needed a BMW 650 Dakar as well as an 800GS :-( Great comparison.

@motorcycleadventures

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed!

Great comparison

good review guys interesting..

@motorcycleadventures

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I'm surprised BMW still makes it. To me, it's their Himalayan. The dual exhaust is funny - I think they had to rationalise the twin. I saw something in the pipe for this motor a long time ago and only recently have I seen it on recent BRP products.

The only real issue I have with BMW is the lack of dealerships in America. I met a guy from my area who bought a F800 GS, went to Alaska, which I think was around a 9000 mile journey for him, he had some minor issues along the way and no dealerships to purchase replacement parts, in the end he spent two additional weeks in Hotel/motels waiting for online parts to reach him!

Sounds like a Brazilian and an Afrikaner. Motorcycling brings together interesting people from all over the world

@danielerwee5994

3 жыл бұрын

I can confirm that his accent and his name "Jan" is very Afrikaans thus he should be an Afrikaner (from South Africa) who emigrated to New Zealand.

Great review guys, but you didnt mention which bike can handle a top box best!

I'm in the same situation as Jan, picking up a bike again after over 20 years without one. I got a 2012 G650GS...almost identical to the one here. It's easy to ride, and thank God, very forgiving. Not too big, you can pick it up when you inevitably drop it, and the mechanics are easy. Like Jan I'll probably do 4-5,000km on it and if I'm not dead, I'll buy something else. Good video.

Hi Pavlin. It calls my attention the regulator position on the BMW 05:14 . I think because of the air flow preventing the regulator from heating more than if were inside of covers. Well , you said the tha fuel tank is under the seat. Another reason a guess far away from the fuel. Best regards and drive safe.

I'm taking Yamaha, wrap one plz. :) By the way awesome puppy in a house! ;)

Thanks, gentlemen. I really enjoyed your review. I take your point that the XT might be the best bike for many reasons - but I just love my G650GS!

@jamesringler987

3 жыл бұрын

5 speed or 6?

@Korrako66

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesringler987 five

@quarq111

2 жыл бұрын

Haha I'm with you, just gotta love that bike

There actually is a 21 inch front wheel model of the 650 GS! The sertao! Very nice bike, especially for shorter people

@PotNanny

4 жыл бұрын

Considering "sertão" is the brazilian outback, I thought they only made that version in Brazil. But yeah, it's a vast improvement over the smaller wheels.

@tolga1cool

4 жыл бұрын

@@PotNanny I can't speak for the whole world, but here it Germany it very much was on sale. Quite a bit more expensive on the used market as well, because it essentially is what the f650gs failed to be

@pawelolejczyk7761

3 жыл бұрын

tolga1cool is it a Good bike for a tall rider? Im 6.4(193cm tall) beginner rider. Was thinking of Ktm 390 adventure first but its just 390 so than starter do think about Tenere like Pavlin has but now started to think about starting on gs650 sertao. Do You have some tips for me that You can share? I appreciate Your feedback.

@loomspace

3 жыл бұрын

@@pawelolejczyk7761 Have you seen the KTM in person? It is tiny. I am 6'3"and have a Dakar aka Sertao. I have added bar risers, 18"rear rim, added seat foam, KTM WP fork that adds height in front, a longer rear HyperPro rear shock w/raising linkage and slightly lower/more rearward footpegs. It still feels slightly small to me although it is tall enough to get me in trouble on a side slope. I am not a beginner rider but I still think it is quite heavy for a beginner. Radiators can be vulnerable when dropped, and some hardware is soft metal. I have never tried the Yamaha. The BMW is all about the motor as it is an incredible engine. Yes you can make it a good bike for a tall rider but stock it is not a good bike for a tall rider in my experience.

@pawelolejczyk7761

3 жыл бұрын

@@loomspace Hi, actually Ive set on it in dealers shop. You are right, Looks Strange with 6.4guy on it. And to be honest with You, In the spring time I will buy yamaha, the same Pavlin is riding xt 660z. I was thinking of sertao but yamaha is taller and from many opinions consider as a bulletproof bike. Thank You for Your opinion

Mr. Pavlin, I watched some of your videos and you impressed me that I bought a 1991 Yamaha xrz 660. I think you had such a motorcycle. I'm interested in how many kilometers the engine of this Yamaha lasts and what to look at before embarking on one shorter tour (1500 km).

I love this video, you 2 are fun...

@motorcycleadventures

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Great !!!! New Zeland - fantastic !!!! Yan's farm - wonderfull And Cool men's toys. Respect both of you, chears!!!!

@motorcycleadventures

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for taking the time!

That's some beautiful land you live on!

@dekca583

3 жыл бұрын

We are very blessed. Thank you

A fairer comparison will be with the BMW Sertao G650GS

@motorcycleadventures

4 жыл бұрын

True, but this is what we had...

I had a XT660ZA for a short time. It was terrible. 215 kg. Very top heavy. Felt and handled like a hippo. Bad vibrations at higher rpm. Replaced it with a KTM 790 Adventure S. Amazing bike. Only 5 kg lighter but it feels like the weight is much less. Excelent handling. Very nimble. 95 hp is more than enough but it does not hurt. Expensive yes but totally worth the money. Close to 6000 km so far. Very happy.

Thank you i see you in many videos on you tyobe. I love motorcycles i have benelli trk 502 x its good motorcycle i have it 1 yere. Its do the joub whith out any problem.

@motorcycleadventures

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

Definitely the two most Kiwi-sounding accents on the South island :) Jan's Bosveld Ingels is instantly recognisable.

Nice video!! Maybe next time honda twin afrika

Hi Pavlin, the Yamaha is leaking oil. Better check it out. Keep up the good work.

@motorcycleadventures

4 жыл бұрын

Antifreeze and it is fixed

I own a Yamaha TTR600 and a BMW 1200 GS Adventure. Both makers are reliable. But what i really like is your spains cap.

Thanks for the comparison. I’m short so I’m favoring the bmw.

@motorcycleadventures

Жыл бұрын

Glad to help!

@perro0076

Жыл бұрын

Same here. I see it as a practicality issue to be honest. Not so much as a 'good for beginners' thing. But I don't go anywhere near dirt. For me it's moving in and out of traffic in Brussels, Belgium.

The correct comparison would be with the Sertão version.

Simple fix for the BMW Tire&disc Swap to 21 inch tire

Hope to see dakar or sertao test in your channel

Better riding exactly the same track with both bikes and several "onboard" cameras (shock, fork, tyres...). I like your effort but even better this.

not fully sure but I guess this is a Loncin version....not the rotax one...if I were mistaken please let me know.

Interesting comparison, but a Sertao would have been worth mentioning. Cheers

@motorcycleadventures

2 жыл бұрын

Fair enough!

Dis 'n lekker ou jan...

@dekca583

4 жыл бұрын

Moet jy nou rerig daarmee begin? 😂😂😂

@jamesarendse9739

4 жыл бұрын

@@dekca583 That accent just sounded so familiar. LOL

I once rode a friend's XT 660Z for a short distance. The only thing I remember was how bad it vibrates. That was the reason my friend got rid of it, he couldn't stand the vibrations on longer travels.

@thinkingoutofthebox.9421

4 жыл бұрын

I've got the Sertao with GPR exhaust sounds good, and I like the vibration. Had Fz6 s2 and was smooth but boring. I like a bike to feel like a old school bike, with low end torque and noise!

@user-jk3dz2st7u

2 жыл бұрын

@@thinkingoutofthebox.9421 I am curious why do you guys buy new bikes with old school look and engine . I actually bought a bmw funduro in great condition same power as g650gs same engine but with way less electronic systems to go wrong (it burns more fuel obviously). The biggest difference is that for a g650gs in same condition I would need almost 3 times the money to purchase and service cost is way more .

@thinkingoutofthebox.9421

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-jk3dz2st7u Just sold it, had enough of the clunky gearbox and weight/width between legs. Just bought a Honda CRF 250L, gearbox is silky smooth compared to the G650gs and much lighter off road where I do 80% of my riding now.

@user-jk3dz2st7u

2 жыл бұрын

@@thinkingoutofthebox.9421 Exactly you are right for selling it 7-8 k euros it's a lot of money for a single cylinder motorcycle . I traded mine with a scooter I had but roughly it costed me 1300 euros for that money it is worth it . It's also my first bike I use it for commuting and light offroad .I believe for first bike single cylinder is good because is simple and cheap . I will keep it because it is kind of an antique (24 years old ) and after a few years of experience I'll buy a vtwin bike probably something in 80-90hp.Off road bikes are great at lower ccs because they are light ,why manage a 190 kg bike on the dirt when you can have one that weighs only 140 🤔 . I definitely approve the transition you made it was a smart choice.

Both bikes still manufactured? Or discontinue when?

Still in & around Gore? Are you neglecting the rest of NZ?

What does the red arrow in the wind shield means? To remind the rider of left driving?

@motorcycleadventures

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

I’m thinking of buying the XT 660 Z Urban Tenere to do some trans Europe trails. Would you still recommend it in 2021?

@motorcycleadventures

2 жыл бұрын

Well... I am still riding it...

Wie gross sollte man für die XT660Z sein? Leider sind viele Adventure/Enduros nur für grosse Menschen. Bin nur 174cm, aber lange Beine. Möchte auf Adventure wechseln, für einen bequemeren Kniewinkel. Danke für deine informativen Videos 👍

Both very good bikes but not a patch on the DR 650. 😂😂😂

I already had BMW. It was a good bike. I did not like the gearbox. I tried Yamaha and I think it was better than BMW. My opinion

@thinkingoutofthebox.9421

4 жыл бұрын

I have Sertao and my sons had the xt660z. Sertao is better off road, lower weight and center of gravity. But Yamaha is a better bike, gearbox much smoother and build quality better.

hi Pavlin - does the oil leak come free with the Yamaha.

@lornescott-wilson6144

3 жыл бұрын

One point for the BMW there...no leaks under it ;-)

Lekker Jan

Thanks for the video and Info. Is Jan a belgian in NZ? All the best.

@azkikrx1

4 жыл бұрын

Jan sounds like a South African.

@lornescott-wilson6144

4 жыл бұрын

Ayden Rosslee sounds like a KiwiBoer to me too. Greetings from Brisbane. Enjoyed the video. I used to have an F650GS 2000 model...great fuel economy 26Km/L average and could hit 160Km/h if needed. Now I made a similar switch like Jan did...on a BMW R1200RT...but prefer the bigger engine and lots of low down torque, not to mention the shaft drive

@dekca583

4 жыл бұрын

Jip old South African I am🤠

@azkikrx1

4 жыл бұрын

@@dekca583 My family and I are also South African. We arrived in Sydney 4 months ago.

@dekca583

4 жыл бұрын

@@azkikrx1 👍👍👍all the best mate. I came here 17 years ago and never looked back

can i ask what you would choose in terms of new tenere 700 or africa twin ads dct?

@motorcycleadventures

4 жыл бұрын

New Tenere

@SeanDeodat

4 жыл бұрын

@@motorcycleadventures thanks. Can I ask why sir?

@SeanDeodat

4 жыл бұрын

@@motorcycleadventures africa honda's reliability and build quality...tenere although very good does not match the build quality hence the price

very very nice farm

As always, you have to ask who is it for - what will they do with it ?

@motorcycleadventures

Жыл бұрын

True!

I think people make too big a deal about ground clearance. If you’re on a road it’s a non issue. The BMW is an excellent back road bike. There’s no huge rocks, stumps, etc to worry about on most roads. And if you’re going to fast to stop for something that’s your fault.

@motorcycleadventures

4 ай бұрын

True

What does that arrow on windscreen mean?

@taebert

3 жыл бұрын

I think he puts that there so that he knows which side of the road to drive on.

The beaks are such an ugly feature on bikes. I totally agree with you. That Tenere looks really awesome!

Гоняю на G650X страшная пушка)) это точно не турист))

The BMW motor was the same as in my Husqvarna 650 - brilliant motor, the Husky was much better than the BMW and much lighter than the Yammie - the BMW motor is actually manufactured in China

@thinkingoutofthebox.9421

4 жыл бұрын

Assembled not made

I think we all have twitchy throttle. I also don’t trust myself so got the Sertao instead of the much faster KTM790 R adventure

@motorcycleadventures

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

Jan is awesome

@motorcycleadventures

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, man!

@dekca583

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 🤠. I am just a regular guy

I see some spots under yamaha. Is it oil leaking?

@motorcycleadventures

4 жыл бұрын

Antifreeze from the coolant reservoir.

I think there is an oil drop under the yamaha No? Check it there is no leak

@motorcycleadventures

4 жыл бұрын

It was antifreeze from coolant reservoir.

you must compare Tenere660 vs G650GS Sertão

@motorcycleadventures

Жыл бұрын

Ok

Lovely farm

Not only for me the buffeting was a big problem on the Ten but also for a lot of other riders. For all you people that are riding a xt660z and are having problems with the buffeting because of the shape of the tank you can fix it with this simple and cheap hack!

@gonefishn6024

4 жыл бұрын

what is this simple cheap hack you speak of Kees

@kdkd693

4 жыл бұрын

Yes what is the hack pls

Brawo !!!

I think the engine is not made by Rotax, but from Kymco, in Lincin, in China.

@motorcycleadventures

3 жыл бұрын

Could be!

BmwG650S costs like 17000 USD in India..What price is it in Europe?

@motorcycleadventures

2 жыл бұрын

The same.

I have the Yamaha Xtz i love it but its 🐢 160km max speed 🥴 this is the bad thing of this bike .. i hope one day to buy the t700 much better in everything and of course more beautiful bike ✌️👍 cheers !

@motorcycleadventures

3 жыл бұрын

160km is more than enough.

@JDOfficial_

3 жыл бұрын

@@motorcycleadventures only on the ground 😝

I like your accents and i like even more the thread of your wife 🤣🤣 Best from BottomUp 🇨🇭🇨🇭

@motorcycleadventures

Жыл бұрын

Cool!

Ian sounds like South African . Good man . Lots of Afrikaners are good people...

Funny, this Tenere has two front disks. Must be super heavy.

The Sertao would have been a closer comparison.

@motorcycleadventures

2 жыл бұрын

True but this is what we had.

Waiting for Africa twin 850

@motorcycleadventures

4 жыл бұрын

Eventually...

Pavle where are you from?

@motorcycleadventures

4 жыл бұрын

Bulgaria

Is this an oil leek under the Yamaha?

@motorcycleadventures

2 жыл бұрын

Antifreeze.

Why is there a red arrow on the motorcycles you ride?

@doloritax65

4 жыл бұрын

I think he uses it to remind him to stay in the left side of the road. In continental Europe we ride on the right side and I guess it is in our subconscious and may be dangerous in countries where riding is on the left

Если сравнивать... Японцы в мотоциклестроении имеют: во все щели, европейцы, американцев и все прочие страны !

i like made in japan .. imagine how much they could improve my gsa 1200

@motorcycleadventures

3 жыл бұрын

GS 1200 to be improve it? What you talking about? Revolution...

To make a short story long!

The Beemer might be more fuel efficient, the cost of maintenance make up more than fuel saving than the Yamaha.

@motorcycleadventures

3 жыл бұрын

True

@philipthomas3938

2 жыл бұрын

What? You're saying the Yamaha maintenance is cheaper? He said the BMW was cheaper maintenance in the video...I always thought Japan bikes are cheaper maintenance than Europe...

The bmw doesn’t leak oil - Yama eve is leaking

@dekca583

4 жыл бұрын

Jip it's leaking coolant. It's fixed now. 😉

@gianlucatomasello9492

4 жыл бұрын

Mark P not so correct. I own a g650xcountry (same engine but different map, it makes a bit more power) and it ALWAYS leaks oil.

@pre-dawnraid9037

4 жыл бұрын

Lekker ysters! Kom terug SA toe, ons het julle nodig!

Seems like Yamaha is marking the ground 😀

@motorcycleadventures

Жыл бұрын

Antifreeze.

How much does it cost BMW maintenance to say "it is cheaper than Yamaha"?

@motorcycleadventures

2 жыл бұрын

20% cheaper.