Xsens just gave me an exclusive offer for my viewers! Use the code HALO5 at checkout for 5% off!!

Imagine buying a car and being told you only get to drive it for 30 seconds a month but you can up that drive time to 30 minutes per month for just 275. This company is unethical with these price points.

It’s more approachable now but this leaves me hesitant. Everything is all relative to their previous pricing models, but they should compare their prices to their competition. I can get PN Studio for the same price while avoiding a monthly fee and receiving free updates to their “HD Processor”. That being said, a freelancer with multiple reoccurring clients won’t mind be charged a monthly fee but not $300-400/mo. The return on investment in this industry isn’t that luxurious for us freelancers, we still have other CG bills to pay and that added monthly fee could potentially bring us to $800-1300/mo. So nope, that pricing is not gonna slide, but I would definitely submit to $100 per 30mins. That sounds affordable

@BryantFilms

3 жыл бұрын

So actually it's $275 a month if you want to pay per month basis then cancel the next month, etc. But the bright side is you can get away with paying a lot less throughout the year, if you coordinate your mocap efforts certain months

@goblin_games

3 жыл бұрын

@@BryantFilms no, you can't. There is a monthly limit. And the limit is 30mins I believe.

@GoblinGamesLtd

Жыл бұрын

@Bob Syerunkle who are you to tell me my comment has no value? How unbelievably arrogant. And why are you even still commenting on a video that's a year out of date?

My bet is they're forcing you to use the Cloud option to get your animations for themselves as well. They'll eventually have an archive of animations for sale. So first they charge you for the hardware, then the software, then the cloud services, then they make use of your animations for their own benefit... nice scheme.

@goblin_games

2 жыл бұрын

I doubt they'd be that stupid, although not much would surprise me these days. Motion Cloud is definitely going to be a big problem for a lot of companies that are bound by NDA's though. It's a whole can of worms in terms of data privacy issues.

@georgetazberik6834

2 жыл бұрын

Has anyone looked at their legal paperwork to see if you're consenting to give up the copyrights to your data?

@thedesignertoydragon6807

2 жыл бұрын

thats deep.then they use ai to piece together everything...

I'm having a hard time seeing how this is cheaper when you go from 0$ for PRO the first year as indie to 8500$ if you want it now. Quite a price increase and not for the better.

I cant find the pricing info on their website.

So wait, you can't even use Unreal with the basic Animate? They need to do a MUCH better job than this shit. If i'm paying 4-$12,000 for a mocap suit I damn well better be able to do whatever the hell I want with it. They need to completely get rid of that cloud BS, drop the MVN Animate Plus options down to the Free Basic category and not have their new gloves cost as much as then entire lowest tier 'suit'. Then, I would be much more inclined to purchase a setup from them. Literally the ONLY advantage they have over their competition is magnetic shielding. Once their competitors catch up they are going to be left behind if they don't change now. Yes, the suits are cheaper but they are looking like Apple right now killing you with the price of the 'addons' and bottlenecks.

If the fees would go away or at least the free version had the limit of 30 minutes, I would buy this immediately - as other guys said here, if you also want finger mocap this becomes very expensive on itself. I am eyeing mocap suits for around a year now and got really excited by this, but was disappointed by the recurring fees - looks like I might have to settle with Rokoko as well

@goblin_games

3 жыл бұрын

Don't buy a Rokoko. I had one for a year, it's absolute junk. I didn't get a single usable animation out of it.

@evesattler1570

3 жыл бұрын

@@goblin_games By now I actually got a Rokoko suit and if you have some experience with motion capture and know that all motion capture always requires cleanup the suit is really amazing, I have been able to get very satisfying results with it

@goblin_games

3 жыл бұрын

@@evesattler1570 yeah I have a little experience with motion capture...nearly 20 years of working with it. As I say, I was unable to get a single usable result from it that was even worth trying to clean up. Whereas even 3rd rate solutions like ipisoft and Ikinema Orion gave reasonable results. Maybe I got unlucky with faulty hardware or something but I know I'm far from alone in being extremely disappointed with Rokoko

@evesattler1570

3 жыл бұрын

@@goblin_games Maybe they improved their algorithm by now or you had lots of magnetic interference - I had the experience that 50 percent of the takes require only a few MoBu filters to smooth out the rather jaggy curves and the other half also needs a bit of additional auxEffector fixing, but overall and for that price I cannot complain (for my usecase). I also worked with iPiSoft for a while, which I found much more tedious to set up and the spacial limitations were also not too nice. And with iPi captures I still had to run the same filters and auxEffectors as with the Rokoko captures

@goblin_games

3 жыл бұрын

@@evesattler1570 usually I'd be shooting outdoors in tennis courts etc with no magnetic interference. Obviously it goes without saying that the less filtering you have to do in MoBu the better. I don't do any filtering whatsoever with the Xsens. Just a bit of re-posing. Their pricing strategy is horrific however. Really really bad. And getting greedier by the day.

very smart of you you got the free software for it

If I get the manus gloves then I can’t even record fingers without also paying the animate plus tier! And if I do I’ll also have to pay again to download the anim?

Hi Ron, great video! Do you know if you can buy the MVN Awinda Starter kit and purchase the Awinda Recording + Docking Station separately? Would it give you the 50m wireless range? Is there any other difference apart from the extra prop IMU?

Great video! for the Vtuber setup, can you just record what you stream in Unreal engine and just do unlimited non-processed fbx exports from UE?

Let's be super clear here; they are now charging a premium for a feature that was previously included in the software. That's not cheaper nor better, it's anti-consumer behavior that no one should support. Unfortunately there is no competitor worth their salt at the level of Xsens (unless you pay for a perpetual Pro license) so they know they can get away with it. But if you have the money and the space; go optical. To my knowledge not a single company that does optical solutions does this anti-consumer nonsense of SaaS and limiting "free"/affordable versions of their software, they all do perpetual licenses. And if you pay for a perpetual Pro license with Xsens you're spending about as much as an 8-camera OptiTrack or 6-camera Vicon system for example. And they provide significantly higher quality motion capture.

Hey there is no longer any pricing info on their website. You need to put this on description .

this is a much better explanation than the salespeople from xsens. i swear all they do is try to upsell me !! thank u for the explanation.

Hi Ron, thanks a lot for this video. It was really helpful to me and it's one of the main reasons I purchased an Awinda. I got one questions though. Let's say I purchase 30 minutes for $275 and I only use 15 minutes. Will the other 15 minutes expire after 30 days or do I keep them on my account?

@BryantFilms

3 жыл бұрын

Congrats! I believe they expire but you should ask xsens themselves. I'm not sure

@philippfarmer

3 жыл бұрын

@@BryantFilms I contacted Xsens and in deed they expire. Personally I'd prefer a per minute based payment. Hopefully they will offer this in the future. Now it's a bit like you want to rent a car for 5 days but have to pay for an entire month.

Thanks for the video Ron. Who did you speak to at Xsens and do you have this in writing regarding customers prior to April? Are they going to write us a whole different MVN with unlimited processing? I'm very uncomfortable about this whole mess.

@BryantFilms

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Goblin. I spoke with with Christopher. Nothing in writing, we simply did a microsoft screen share conference. But if you want more details, I'd contact support!

@goblin_games

3 жыл бұрын

@@BryantFilms cheers, I had a video call with them last week. Another one upcoming. They are currently open to feedback so we need to make them understand what we want as indies and what we can afford to pay for that, bearing in mind that the competition has moved on recently.

@jingjingmannen

3 жыл бұрын

New pricing is a joke and maybe they finally understood that as I can only find the quote email now, no pricing on the website.

@goblin_games

2 жыл бұрын

I had a video call with them back in April. They promised that existing customers could remain on the same terms as before. This week I went to renew my subscription and was told I only have two choices: Upgrade to Pro at double the price, or go with the useless capped basic version. Absolutely disgusted by them!

@jingjingmannen

2 жыл бұрын

@@goblin_games double the price? What price would that be?

so if you just live stream does that count towards exporting?

but do i need only the suit or do i need to buy a software as well

Thanks a lot for these infos, it's really hard to get informed on all these technical choices as a new Xsens potential customer Now i have a question that might feel dumb but very important about my choice on the Hardware : I heard that the Mvn Link is working with wifi at contrary of the Awinda starter & intermediate that have their own recording station. Does it mean i'll need a wifi connexion to make the Mvn Link work, or only a wifi router linked to my laptop (in ethernet for exemple) ? For exemple, if i want to go recording with my laptop in a big field next to a mountain with no wifi at all, no connexion, i know it's possible with Awinda. But does is it possible with Link too if I bring some router or mut i stick to wifi places with it?

@BryantFilms

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure you'll have to ask xsens about that. But you can record on the Body pack for hours on the link so that is an option

@claudedebussy2208

2 жыл бұрын

@@BryantFilms that's great thanks

Hi Ron, you dont talk about MVN Link system ,will you recommend it instead of an Awinda system? Is the precision lot more accurate for recording animation, is the gap price worth it? and yeah , thanks for your videos :)

@BryantFilms

3 жыл бұрын

I can't say much on the MVN link system because I havent ever tried it. The accuracy is the same from what I know, but you can record on suit (and viritually climb a mountain if you wanted to) and also have 120fps. Imo the price gap is only worth it if you are looking to do some triple A+++ gaming or visual story telling. Awinda is perfect for me, and probably most indie people

@jingjingmannen

3 жыл бұрын

I have not tried AWINDA but I used Link at work and if you want the best quality it is really good. Only downside is that the suit is about 1000$ a piece and you probably need more than one in house.

@goblin_games

3 жыл бұрын

Awinda is a lot more flexible. I've used both and own an Awinda. If I had unlimited budget I'd probably still go for the Awinda. You don't have to worry about powering a router outdoors for a start. No noticeable difference in data quality.

@facemotion3d971

2 жыл бұрын

@@goblin_games appreate your comments here. Being a first hand awinda user myself, totally agree with you. Not sure if I will be able to afford the new pricing of 9500 a year for the mvn pro... may look for other options. Whats your email?

Do you use anything else to connect to your computer than the recording/charging station they gave you? I am wondering if getting the starter kit and that would actually get you more range.

@BryantFilms

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah a security USB that must be plugged in for the mocao to record or process

Hi Ron, let's say i bought the (intermediate hardware, the 7k one), can i use motionbuilder or iClone for example to record/capture any amount of motion directly and export it directly without using their software or cloud? any ideas? i am really confused,..cz it seems to me that buying the hardware is useless without buying that money-sucker software.. maybe i missed something..

@goblin_games

3 жыл бұрын

No

@jingjingmannen

3 жыл бұрын

You need to buy the pro version in that case + the sensors so expect a cost of about 13-14k euro for the first year.

can you you use hd reprocessing to get your motion into i clone 8

@BryantFilms

Жыл бұрын

Yes

would you pay 500 for an xbox that let you play for 30mins per month? does that make sense? that is the worst thing i've ever heard. I was going to buy one of these suits too. thats crazy. I would rather pay 50k for a suit if I can actually use it wheneveer I want.

Question for you, Ron, are customers of xsens suits able to sell them on the second hand market or is it locked down to the original purchaser in some fashion? I would happily buy a suit and pay their cloud processing fees if I knew at the end of capturing what I needed I could flip the suit. I don't have an on-going need for mocap, just a one-off yet lengthy project. The software/suit competition appears to be heating up in 2021 so the last thing I would even do is pay that 24k for a lifetime license, but 1-3 months of their subscription would be plenty. Separately, thanks for the video it helped a lot.

@BryantFilms

3 жыл бұрын

Hi. I actually have no idea but if you need just a few months xsens might lend you the suit for promotion or some deal. I'd email them and ask them these questions

@Chris-qk8uz

3 жыл бұрын

@@BryantFilms ok, thanks for the reply 😊

@jingjingmannen

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure hardware is not locked to a license/person but I'd recommend that you confirm that with them.

@goblin_games

2 жыл бұрын

Hardware is not locked to software license. I have an Awinda for sale on eBay currently

@DJ-oy5eg

2 жыл бұрын

@@goblin_games Why do you sell them?

For vtubing, unless you're hololive, that's insanely expensive...

Quick question if you happened to know this; can I do more than thirty minutes a month?

@BryantFilms

3 жыл бұрын

Yea

@BryantFilms

3 жыл бұрын

But you have to pay for more by the minute after you hit the 30 min limit I think

Are you telling me? When I buy this damn suit. Will I get 30 minutes a month?

@MatthewKanwisher

2 жыл бұрын

Based on video 30 seconds free, otherwise it’s $275 a month for 30 min

@AYAD1

2 жыл бұрын

​@@MatthewKanwisher WTF ?

If multiple suits can be run off of your same unlimited software, what is to stop someone like you, with your software from selling that processing?

@BryantFilms

2 жыл бұрын

You can sell your mocap

@hyperface2050

2 жыл бұрын

@@BryantFilms Thanks. I'm fully aware you can sell the final mocap. But if someone has bought the software to do unlimited processing of the raw data (and multiple suits can run off that software) what's to stop them from selling the processing, say at 100 dollars for 30 minutes instead of the 275 that Xsens is offering?

@BryantFilms

2 жыл бұрын

@@hyperface2050 OH I have no idea. I don't think there is?

This is why I went with PN3, I dont want to pay to use my hardware.

Due to their pricing, I'm forced to look in the direction of Rokoko. I would love to make content and promote XSens as we develop our project but sadly can't afford it just starting out. Tbh I could swing $1500 per year on software and would be willing to pay the $7000 for the MVN Awinda IF gloves were included, but $4000 just for gloves to be added is quadruple the price of Rokoko's gloves. I wish it was just a little more within my budget.

How would I do this live?

@alexsoulmocap

Жыл бұрын

You need have MVN Animate Pro for Live streaming

@alexsoulmocap

Жыл бұрын

@@matteo.grossi yes

@alexsoulmocap

Жыл бұрын

@@matteo.grossi but it’s best immersive system that you can buy ) and use it at home ) perception Neuron and rokoko is much more bad )