Hey Bjørn. At the end of each year I would love to see you do a long video of you doing a car tier list. Going from best to worst cars overall you tested that year. I think it would be fun to watch and I'm sure it would bang on youtube as well :)

Eletre is kinda Chinese too, owned by the Chinese company Geely and made in China.

@boostav

6 ай бұрын

You can remove the kinda, aside from the badge it's a Chinese car.

@thegreif911

6 ай бұрын

Eletre is Chinese. It is riding on Geely's SEA platform so it's running on Chinese tech. Incredibly impressive products that they are putting out.

eletre just pretend to be British. It is a Chinese Car through and through.

XPENG G6 will be the real game changer 😁😎💪🏼 But nice for the G9

@swecreations

6 ай бұрын

It seems to be offering the same kind of speed as the other cars in this test (other than the Q8 of course), 10-80% in 20 minutes, 5-95% in 40 minutes. The big difference will be the low pricing of course.

@Jajalaatmaar

6 ай бұрын

The Xpeng dealer in the Netherlands told me the G6 will come to Europe in Q1 next year, priced at base model Y level or slightly below.

@kehletten

6 ай бұрын

@@Jajalaatmaar Nice 😁💪🏼👍🏼

I think if you look at the KW delivered to the Eletre @ 80% (almost 16KW more than the G9) it was the clear winner.

@Jajalaatmaar

6 ай бұрын

But it's twice the price of a G9. EQS/Taycan levels.

@Tomaskom

6 ай бұрын

It clearly had some head start though, at the very beginning of the recording it already has 8kWh in, so you need to subtract that. Still a winner, but not by that much and it has lower C rating, which is essentially what you compare by looking at %. Also, energy deliverd is measured in kWh, not KW!

@Jajalaatmaar

6 ай бұрын

Less impressive than G9 imo.@@badbasic

@Jajalaatmaar

6 ай бұрын

And Ford recalled all Mach-E's because their charging wiring was melting. Meh. Imo the top Chinese EV brands like Xpeng are getting ahead of a lot of western manufacturers when it comes to EV's. Efficiency, price, charging, self-driving systems, warranty, even luxury. I bought a G9 in Europe and we're very happy so far. If the car catches on fire I'll let you know. It's already been tested by buyers in China since 2021. @@badbasic

@Tomaskom

6 ай бұрын

​@@badbasic ​ Again, you need to subtract about 8kWh from the Eletre total energy input, as the charge session clearly started at much lower SoC than 10%, it has been charging for 2 min and put 8kWh in already at the beginning (0:13). So no, it did not have more in than G9 full at 2:30. But it still won overall, although it's easier to charge faster if you have a bigger battery, the G9 has a more impressive C rating as it almost keeps up while having 12.5% smaller battery pack. Whether that is achieved with compromises on lifetime is to be seen. Also, the energy counted by the charger here is not necessarily the full story, there might be differences in thermal losses and energy expended on cooling, which would need to be subtracted if we were to draw final conclusions (what ends up in the battery and can be used for driving is what really counts, not how much extra heat you reject while charging). This should usually be quite similar though, if the battery chemistries are similar enough, so let's ignore that. One thing is clear, if the G9 battery was scaled up a bit to the size of what Eletre has, it would win this easily thanks to the higher C rating. The way they are, Eletre clearly wins when it comes to total energy input, even at slightly lower C, thanks to its bigger pack. To judge the overall usefulness, we should also include the consumption, which according to ev-databse the Eletre has about 15% higher than the G9, making the g9 fill in the same range a bit faster in the end. So it would be a bit faster at 1000km challange comapred to Eletre. The price you pay for much higher performance in the Eletre I guess. Both are very impressive.

it took me so long to realize he was saying "Fat E-tron!" instead of uh.. f--- e-tron! but as soon as i realized i started dying of laughter

"What will happen with the degradation" - that very important question. That is why I think your videos with older cars (like the Geilo test, but also zero mile and degradation) will be very important in the future when the market for used EVs will be growing. Right now, the choice is quite limited in 5-9yo cars category, leaf 1, TMS, Ionic, Zoe and triplets, and that is pretty much all but in 1-2 years a lot of other mass-market cars will enter the group TM3, Niro, Kona, Leaf 2, MEB cars (mostly ID-3). And those test will be important for people from for example Western Europe (e.g. Poland) where people buy mostly used cars from Germany, France, and Norway (most Leafs 1 on Polish roads actually comes from Norway :) )

@Jajalaatmaar

6 ай бұрын

Still though, how often does the average EV user charge at supercharger? I will mostly use it for road trips and on holidays. Daily charging is just slow charging. And for those road trips it's really nice. If you're really worried, you can always find a humble 150kW charger.

@broderwow

6 ай бұрын

@@Jajalaatmaar I am driving Niro - 90kW is good enough for me. My comment was about something else :)

Good tests, thanks Bjorn.

The Xpeng G9 has a good curve, with lot of reduction of charging speed, the curve is highly and cleveryl adapted to prevent the battery damage. This is why Xpeng warranties the battery (as CATL and their special battery suppliers) 8 years or even more... They prevent risks, and do not manage them, by counting on user to select a low speed charging (option), because the first part of the curve is too long and overheat the battery with too high charging speed... And by proposing this options, when the battery has a defciency they pretend the user did not use this option enough, and destroyed the battery himself, when lot of charging process were not so necessary urgent as done (the car users were not all ready to continue the trip just at the end of the charging process). What they forger, is that time is money, and we pay the time of location of the charging station, even if badly used... We do not only pay electrycity, we pay every other wasting made during years to allow this charger being active there at this moment, and all the management made to allow its usability!

@user-pe9gf3zd2l

6 ай бұрын

Was surprised hearing from Tesla seller to use slower chargers more than their fast ones 😂

@EmmanuelJotterand

6 ай бұрын

@@user-pe9gf3zd2l Because they have to warranty the battery about 8 years, so they cannot replace it because it was charged too quickly... Liquid electrolytes between anode and cathode are very fragile, and contains lot of risks, which will disappear with solid electrolytes battery... But these are very difficult to produce industrially for now... Tesla is following others, they cannot take risks...

What was the ambient temperature of all? It seems the eletre is now charging slow when temps are around 10C or lower, several reports claim max charging of 150kw, with charger as destination in Nav set. Some even get only 80 - 120kw … Would really love to see Bjorn do a “winter” test of the Eletre …

Hello dear friend, could you pleased can make a video showing how to use the VPA of the Xpeng G9?

Tack!🙏

Would have been fun to talk about range gain per minute...

Isn't the Eletre the winner? It charges the most kWh in the same time? The G9 only charged 91kWh in 43 min, compared to the 110kWh of the Eletre. Or am I missing the point of this "race"? Great comparison video though :)

Congrats, you just qualified to work as a sports commentator 😁

Horse race with a proper commentary :D

Ioniq 28 win at this test :-) Eletre impressive !

How high is the charging speed on the 400 volt charger? Is there some limitation in converting the voltage to 800 volt?

@DG-uv3zw

6 ай бұрын

Of course, its rather poor speed

@sergeibeliaev5001

6 ай бұрын

@@DG-uv3zw Most fast chargers are 400 volt at this moment. So, it would be interesting to find out how fast/slow will the car charge at the 400 volt charger.

@DG-uv3zw

6 ай бұрын

@@sergeibeliaev5001 I think Bjorn said around 100kW max or around... Yes, 800v is the future but not at the moment

@sergeibeliaev5001

6 ай бұрын

@@DG-uv3zw Yes. Is was like a wild guess. But we do not know exactly what the limit of the convertor is. I will ask it by a dealer. I hope he will be able to answer this question. :D

@florian_spdl

6 ай бұрын

Depends on the country, in germany most of the chargers are Alpitronic HYC300 and HYC150, which both support up to 1000V@@sergeibeliaev5001

Can I buy this car in Poland? How much is it ?

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I can’t wait for that moment when Toyota finally comes with their newest solid state battery tech and beats every brand out there when it’s charging from 10% to 100% in just 5 min.

@CampGareth

6 ай бұрын

You're right, you can't as it might never come :D I've discussed this elsewhere but if someone comes up with an amazing energy dense, fast charging and safe battery technology I'd expect it to show up in phones and laptops first due to low volumes, customers willing to pay extra, and short expected lifespans. Toyota's battery tech isn't present there today, it's unlikely it'll be in every car within 5 years.

Bjorn, First time today I saw 85 Kw max charging my 82 Kwh Id3 Tour 5. Started at 10% and 75 Kw then went up to 85 Kw, battery temp went to 31 Deg C, I didn't check the temp at the beginning sadly but do you know if the id.3 heats the battery when fast charging ? it could explain why it started at 75 Kw and ended up at 85 Kw but sadly I still haven't seen the 130 Kw VW quote. I got 22 Kwh in 17 Mins. 10-42%. It's the first time I plugged into a fast charger at 10%, usually it's 20%. VW need to do a lot better as fast charging is one of the Major disappointments of the ID cars along with poor software. The VW ID cars charging are quite pathetic compared to the cars in this video !

@Jajalaatmaar

6 ай бұрын

Pro tip: Ditch the Germans, buy Chinese.

Others car is 800V system and for fat etron 800V also?

@youtubebob123

6 ай бұрын

Fat etron is 400v

Why concentrate on the percentage when the important thing is the energy charged?

@bjornnyland

6 ай бұрын

Energy charged includes heat loss, cooling and heating of the battery. Lots of unknown variables. That's why.

@proesterchen

6 ай бұрын

@@bjornnyland Thanks for the explanation 👍

G999.9

Breath...in...and out😂. Audi go home.

Bjørn is gonna shit his pants when he tests the Li mega😂

The Sun left the chat 😅

Die Prozente über die Zeit zu vergleichen bei unterschiedlichen Batteriegrößen macht wenig Sinn. Es ist besser die geladenen Kilowattstunden über die Zeit zu vergleichen👍

@caesarsuper5770

6 ай бұрын

Die aktuelle Grenze bei der Ladegeschwindigkeit ist wohl immer noch 3C.

How did the G9 win since Eletre charged way more in kW ? I thought the car uses kW power to run not % :/

Xpeng for the win! Go home ....

You are just one patch away from a totally different results. Any manufacturer can decide to slowdown charging when they realize it better for longevity. They can also cheat initial reviews and allow abnormal speed on review cars.

@EmmanuelJotterand

6 ай бұрын

Xpeng models are very effective on daily use, they do not have to change anything, as their charging speed curve has 10 levels, rather than only 5 or 6... for others, and most have technical limitations, this is not programmed to adapt the charging speed according to what the battery detects... Xpeng works very well with the battery production companies, such as CATL and others...

Makes tesla look antiqué

How did Eletre took 118kwh into 112kwh battery? 😅

@bjornnyland

6 ай бұрын

Charging losses, heating and cooling of battery.

@Nicoztrike

6 ай бұрын

Chargeloss . The charging I measured on the charger on that. And it shows how much are charged and not how much was going into the battery

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Since when did anyone care about charging time on HPCs when charging to 100%? Huge rant about german cars charging terribly even though they are still some of the fastest. OMG cars from 2020 or 2021 are no longer kings of charging omgomgomg. seriously, you can do better.

@Jajalaatmaar

6 ай бұрын

And China had a 480 kW charging version you could order.@@xxznn_x6112

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