Considering switching to the pen. My hands are getting old & tired. I’m definitely torn between these 2 machines. This has given me lots to think about, thanks for making this !! ❤️

I've heard very good things about the Axys Pen! i really wish you had a video about it! Thanx for all your videos

I love the Xion for my realism pieces and colour work!! When I first got it I did find it got a bit tired using larger lining groupings and solid fill. Any portrait or colour pieces the Xion is my go to machine. Honestly I have yet to find a machine that can do everything on every part of the body ! For me I'm loving the journey of finding out what works for me...

@darrentautari962

5 жыл бұрын

Yea the Xion is a cartridge only machine but has yet to bring out the disposable grips in New Zealand.. ive since swapped over to the Cheyenne pens (hawk and Sol nova) which are now our everyday machines...

@aceadam1828

5 жыл бұрын

Darren Tautari dude i know how you feel. I am using the xion as a shader maybe for color blends too. For lining i switched to dan kubin swingliner. I wish i could combine them two. Dk is fantastic cartridge liner. With the xion i couldnt really single pass line good with anything higher that 5-7rl. And even with 5-7rl its simply not as solid and easy as my coils or my dk. I wish there was a machine that could do it all.

@Yougot6dollarsbro7

5 жыл бұрын

@@aceadam1828 Equaliser Proton MX. I've used up to 14RLT with it. Smoothly.

Thanks man for the honest review

Excellent review right here! You said exactly what I’ve been saying about the Hawk Pen input. Wish they just put an RCA input on there.

Fan of you’re videos! Keep em up man! 👍🏻🖖🏻

@anthonyjenkins3335

6 жыл бұрын

Don Brostowitz thanks for watching man!

Thanks for the thorough review. I was considering trying a Xion after 4 years with Hawk pen (and several repairs to the mono plug) but now I’m convinced to stick with Cheyenne. I’ve tried a whole range of voltage. What do you run with your hawk pen?

@anthonyjenkins3335

3 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks for checking it out, I’m usually in the high 10’s + but I tend to run machines at their speed limit so it’s probably not the best choice for everyone. If you’re comfortable with a hawkpen you’d just be buying an expensive paper weight with a Xion, they’re one of those machines that only seem to work out for people that love really slow machines with a soft hit, if you’re used to the speed and snap of Cheyenne it’s been my experience that nothing from FK will ever feel quite right, not saying they’re bad but just like anything else they aren’t a good fit for everyone

thanks for the review! is there any other reason you don't use cheyenne's own power supply with their pen? is critical better or just that it's versatile and fits other machines? do you know if cheyenne void your warranty if you don't use their own power supply? thanks!

@anthonyjenkins3335

5 жыл бұрын

juju m hey thanks for watching, the Cheyenne supply is less versatile and since I use a variety of machines I prefer something universal, I also think that there are superior power supplies out there, Critical and Eikon are both great choices. It also does not void the warranty to use another power supply, you’ll still be covered

Thank you so much!! Great to hear!

Awesome review brother 👍 Same happened with me i was lining a polynesian half sleeve with xion and the motor became hot as fu*k even the voltages were around 9.5 to 10. It made me so worried about motor burning. They say the motor is robust and strong but i don’t think it is as my cheyenne thunder and pen never get hot even if i run them at 11volts and it’s been 3 years i have been using these bad boys.

@skinstorytattoostudio8049

4 жыл бұрын

Pen works on 6,5 to 8,5

Thanks you're info is great!

waiiiiiit!!! your a pro & never turned it up until they had to tellya,,wtf

For doing line etching style type work what rotary machine in general would be your recommendation? subscribed! like your videos!

@anthonyjenkins3335

4 жыл бұрын

iain it really depends on how fast you like, if you prefer a faster machine (110-120hz or more) stick with a cheyenne, all of their machines are fantastic liners imo, you could also go with an Inkjecta or stigma both quicker options than FK provides. If you have slower hands a Xion will work for you although I never felt anything from FK irons lined well for me, that doesn’t mean that plenty of folks aren’t doing solid linework with them it’s just for my handspeed those machines are always painfully slow. Hope that helps thanks for watching

@iainooooo

4 жыл бұрын

@@anthonyjenkins3335 Currently looking at Bronc v8, thanks for a fast reply! do you have any thoughts on Bronc

@anthonyjenkins3335

4 жыл бұрын

iain my issue with bronc is they’re just a Chinese company that steals others designs especially FK and cheyenne so i personally would never support that or use one of their machines. I’ve said it before but in the tattoo community there’s few things we view to be worse than stealing other artists work/designs so why would any of us support a company doing just that.

@iainooooo

4 жыл бұрын

@@anthonyjenkins3335 okay dokey thanks!

Is it true that the sol nova only runs on cheyenne power supply? I was thinking about getting one and was told that the warrant would be avoided if I use it on a critical power supply

@anthonyjenkins3335

4 жыл бұрын

Carla Acácio I’ve never heard that and even if it was in the warranty they’d have to prove you were using something other than their power supply and that’s virtually impossible. Cheyenne isn’t my favourite company to deal with but they’re always great with repairs.

I have xion pen, and I'm running it on around 9 volt, with 10 volt ist to fast, and yes, have the soft hit, but shades perfectly smouth

You can fix that squeak with a little dap of super lube one the Cheyenne

@anthonyjenkins3335

6 жыл бұрын

Willink The Man yea I know I just always use disposables with it, I only had the grip on for the video, it doesn’t squeak with the plastic grips

Yup but if the motor bolt burns out it can be replaced much cheaper and faster than getting the hawk pen serviced. And for the difference in price I can afford to have a replacement at hand just in case. Either way I'm getting the one made in Florida.

@anthonyjenkins3335

5 жыл бұрын

Manuel Rocha hahaha well good luck with that man. I’d recommend finding a used one for sale online they sell cheap after a use or two because shockingly FK and their 80+ member pro team may have lied to us about how great the machine is. But hey I’m sure your clients will appreciate you going with the inferior machine because it’s easier to fix when it breaks. 😂

@manuelrocha9762

5 жыл бұрын

@@anthonyjenkins3335 My clients are always my foremost concern and I don't mind trying another f.k. Product as I've been pretty happy with them in the past. The people I know running these machines are doing some pretty great work with them. I don't care about marketing and pro teams or whatever you're talking about.

@anthonyjenkins3335

5 жыл бұрын

Manuel Rocha well you’ve already made up your mind then, what’s the point of watching the video?? It’s my opinion that the xion is an inferior machine and in the time since making this and my other video that’s been well established by the fact that they’re constantly having issues, the functionality isn’t anywhere near as good as something like the sol nova the hawkpen or even the new stigma machines. FK delayed the release of the Xion repeatedly because it had major issues and when it finally did release many of the issues were not corrected they just ran out of time. It’s a simple choice of quality and performance, for me the Xion is poor on both categories. But like I said in this and every other video it’s just my opinion it might not be worth much.

@manuelrocha9762

5 жыл бұрын

@@anthonyjenkins3335 I did make up my mind. And then f.k. changed it back with shitty customer service. Plus my nephew's xion crapped out on him after a few months.

I bought the Xion Stealth as soon as it was released. Good powerful machine but a little on the heavy side. Only did two tattoos with it and sold it to a colleague right away and got me an injekta instead.

@anthonyjenkins3335

6 жыл бұрын

BYRON RAMIREZ great choice! I love Inkjecta

@aceadam1828

5 жыл бұрын

Requiem Tattoo how are them for cartriges?

Hi Sir. I want to buy a machine. Xoin , Sola Nova or Inkjecta X1. Which 1 i have pls give ur opinion Sir. Thank u.

@anthonyjenkins3335

3 жыл бұрын

Without a doubt Sol Nova is the best of those 3

What's a good rotary for lining and shading/color?

@anthonyjenkins3335

5 жыл бұрын

JaV P I have a channel full of reviews on the topic man spend some time watching some and you’ll find something that’s a good fit for you I’m sure.

@RUDYXCASTILLO

5 жыл бұрын

A good coil machine.

@anthonyjenkins3335

5 жыл бұрын

Rudy Castillo a good machine is a good machine and an open mind might help you improve your linework, ya never know.

Well, at least I'm not the only one that thought the Xion hit like a bitch. Even for black n grey it's slow and pudgy. I was literally going fuckin crazy wondering why sessions were getting significantly longer. Great heals but slow. The weight I actually enjoyed a lot. Coming from a brass flite nano with the Cheyenne grip and sleeve, the xion was significantly lighter but felt right. The specs on the site say the sol nova and the xion are only 20 odd grams apart. If you're correct, I'm going to be bummed. Heavier means less vibration for the most part.

Hey Anthony, I'm to buy my first tattoo machine and considering the hawk pen ass well as the bishop wand.. i really like to know what's your opinion on the latter and which one is better overall.. Cheers!

one thing for sure, and i noticed in the comments telling one guy he was wrong about the weight and you were right. but the xion IS NOT 240 grams, I literally just put mine on the scale. 153 grams so unless you got some stainless steel version that 240 grams is 100% wrong, and to me i felt like my hawk pen was slower than my thunder, the hawk pen for me would take an extra 2 volts or more vs my thunder. my xion on 13 would be destroying cartridges. anyways don't take this comment the wrong way I love your reviews. but Xion is 153 grams , forsure. mine anyways ahhaha

@x_z0mb1_x

4 жыл бұрын

the one bad thing i can say about my xion is the damn internal spring is shit, i am constantly having to change it out and dont really want to pay FK $100 or more to send it back for service over a 1 cent spring,. but my hawk pen spring also broke after awhile so i guess its just the nature of the beast

@anthonyjenkins3335

4 жыл бұрын

z0mb1 a lot of comments to address but for starters nobody’s perfect, I got the incorrect weight off a third party website and didn’t verify it so yeah weight is off, second I’ve tried the new xions they’re just as slow and lacklustre as the original, they run the same as all other fk machines, slow and consistent, for my handspeed and work style they’re just too slow and have a weak it. The last thing that I wanted to mention is yes the nano as well as all inkjecta machines that I’ve used are much faster than anything fk or most other brands have produced to date, they’re arguably faster than anyone would ever need as measured by CPS not volts. I’m sure there’s more you had to say but I can’t remember everything, all of these reviews are my opinion, popular or not, sometimes I’m wrong and obviously what works for me may be a poor choice for another tattooer, but I do know there are very few good tattooers that aren’t sponsored or trying to get sponsors taking the time to be honest about machines and the companies that sell them to us so that’s all I’m trying to do.

@x_z0mb1_x

4 жыл бұрын

@@anthonyjenkins3335 thanks for the reply man i am going to have to try me a nano, looking forward to your next review etc

Nice video but I have 2 things to say: have you maybe tested the xion with the smaller available stroke? 2.5mm or 1.8 mm stroke whould make the machine also faster within the recommended volt range. And you say the xion is twice the weight of the Cheyenne, it’s heavy for sure but the difference is only about 25g. Cheyenne 130g and xion 153g

@anthonyjenkins3335

6 жыл бұрын

Patrick Durka I also have 2 things to say: first changing the stoke length of the machine would greatly effect functionality and wouldn’t be workable for the way I tattoo and would not compensate for a slow weak motor. Second, you’re wrong about weight I am not, my numbers are correct. And just for a final thought, I’ve seen your Instagram and it’s clear that you don’t actually tattoo, you don’t appear to have done an apprenticeship and you clearly don’t work in any tattoo shop, I’m continually baffled as to why you feel qualified to comment and put your two cents in on mine an many other channels. If I was barely capable of tattooing as you are I’d be far more concerned with trying to learn the basics than trying to act like you know what you’re talking about on social media.

@pebe-959

5 жыл бұрын

Requiem Tattoo Hey, i checked in few shops and all of them was saying that xion weight 153g so no wonder that those 270g you was saying about may seems a bit wierd to someone

as always great reviews

i believe all the pre order people and the first run or first few months of xion had a different crappier motor, i have heard your complaints also from other artists to, i have two xions now. I am like you I like a fast machine. the thing is both my xions run fast as hell above 9.5 volts, i do most of my tattooing around 8.8 on a eikon ems400, this video is old so im sure you have moved on or got rid of your xion, but if you want id be willing to send you one of my motor bolts to borrow if you want to try it out, i believe you have the shitty old motors because my xions are very fast, equal to my thunder in speed. but ya ive heard people saying its slow and i just don't get it. i tried to go back to my thunder after a year on my xion and it felt like shit i don't even know how i used the thunder for 2 years, the xion was a game changer for me anyway

@patrikarte

3 жыл бұрын

I am trying to decide between a xion and an hawk thunder for my first machine. I would love a machine good for lining and shading in a kind of new school style very colourful

@patrikarte

3 жыл бұрын

Any thoughts on which one would you recomend?

@dizzyhead4208

Жыл бұрын

@@patrikarte what did you get for your first machine?

@Monkie_bricks

Жыл бұрын

@@dizzyhead4208 It is actually funny, I end up buying first the Hawk Thunder because the guys who made my apprenticeship use Thunders and was easy to learn, but sincerly I couldn't make a straight line with Thunder because of weight distribution, so later i tryed a Xion, then I bought a Xion and never stop using it till now. And end up selling the Hawk Thunder. Hope it helps.

@dizzyhead4208

Жыл бұрын

@@Monkie_bricks thanx it helps :), got a 3.0 stroke pen, but looking for a pen that can line 14rl-14rs.. Dont really want to try dan kubin style. Exo has to fat grip for me, and flux comes with battery, i dont wan a battery.. Thinking about xion or valhalla for now. But i have read that xion is not good for lines over 7rl, others say different :/. Its not easy to find a rotary thats lines good it seems..

13V? What type of work do you do?

@anthonyjenkins3335

4 жыл бұрын

Bernard M @anthonyjenkins_et on Instagram for my work

@MaN2Mega

4 жыл бұрын

@@anthonyjenkins3335 Nice work 👍 Bit surprised you use such high voltage when doing color realism and BnG realism, but the results do speak for them selves 🤙 personally I don't pass 10V, usually at 8-9

How are you not chewing someone up at 13 volts? and the needles in a cartridge are probably dulling out after a few hours of abuse I start switching out after half sessions for everything except my liners, it takes a lot to ware out a good liner but 600$ and un reliable you'd be better of trying Mast a generic version on eBay and it's been runny beautifully for me 5.5 V lining 5 color packing for 2 years very reliable 35 or something like that and brand cartridges for example kwadron which is what I like as well but sometimes are a pain in the ass to fit

@aceadam1828

5 жыл бұрын

I use a xion too and it is an „okay“ 5 -7rl liner at 9.1-9.5 volts. Gaston did a video lining with the xion and hes about 10 volts and more too. So 5 volts is just not true. Xion on 5 volts is good for stippled / peppered effects. And thats what fk irons says too. Anris straume uses the xion at 11 volts and more too. My co workers have them too. Never seen anyone using it for single pass lining bigger then a 7 reliable, and never seen anyone lining at less then 9.

@anthonyjenkins3335

5 жыл бұрын

Brendon Greathouse I’m definitely not chewing anyone up and I don’t feel the need to change my carts after a few hours and you’re welcome to check out my work on Instagram for proof of that @requiemtattoo_anthony. If your eBay machine works for you that’s great, typically I try to stick with more trustworthy sources for equipment but to each their own, whatever you can tattoo well with is the right machine for you!

@brendongreathouse3126

5 жыл бұрын

I just think it's weird cause I run my coiled machines at 8 and I got a generic Cheyenne called mast and if I run it at 8 it would me like a razor so does that means something wrong with my power supply or machine?

@brendongreathouse3126

5 жыл бұрын

Requiem Tattoo love your work btw

@Getdownkraken

5 жыл бұрын

I’ve literally pushed 14 round shader one pass lines with the bigger cam

Instead of running the xion at 13 volts switch to the smallest stroke and it will run faster...

@anthonyjenkins3335

5 жыл бұрын

Philgood Tattoos that’s not a viable solution for all applications and you shouldn’t have to sacrifice a proper stroke length for a faster machine, if you’re running a 2 or 2.5 mm stroke to compensate for a slow machine you have to ask yourself how long your tattoos are going to last in the skin being applied that shallow, can you line correctly at 2mm? Can you pack colour? If you think you can I’d seriously challenge the longevity of your work and be concerned for your clients.

Uh the Xion is 150 grams...

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270 grams wtf

@LeroyMustang

5 жыл бұрын

Gilberto Rodriguez no, it's actually 150 grams. 270 is the whole box weight...

Sol nova destroys both

@anthonyjenkins3335

4 жыл бұрын

Ivan Mendoza I agree to a point, the hawkpen has proved a slightly more reliable machine overall though.

@ivanmendoza8457

4 жыл бұрын

@@anthonyjenkins3335 my phono jack gave out on my hawk pen ive had the solnova for a year and it hasnt happened yet but we will see i like the hawk pen cause of it length i use it like a brush so they both get as much use but now that i have the sol nova unlimited idk and i bought the neuma 4 so we will see when i go back to the shop what happends