Doing this with the Nin expander is just fantastic. You can get so much modulation on it by chaining modulation sources, almost like a FM setup. But I guess it's AM? I'm still trying to figure it out but it's really fun. First time I've wanted to buy a 2nd copy of a module, since now I want a 2nd one to perform its usual purposes while the first one busy being a VCO+modulation.

@mntbighker

3 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty glad I got the expander so far.

this makes sense when seeing the approach, but i wouldn't have thought to do this - thanks!

Just used mine last week in a live performance - but in the most rudimentary manner. I look forward to more tricks like these from you - thanks!

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

great, thanks!

Last sequence sounds like Piston Honda :) Love my Zadar thanks for showing one more way to use it.

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

great thanks Arturas

Nice! I had been using it as an EG and LFO (to modulate warp another channel's warp mostly). I hadn't thought about using it as an audio range oscillator.

Is the comprehensive demo still coming?

@bootshausk39

4 жыл бұрын

Gore Bore I was about to ask the same. Guess there is so much new stuff out there Ben is too busy. Shame cause Zadar deserves this.

@ericMT

2 ай бұрын

Still waiting in 2024

Awesome! Trying this tonight!

7:16 is either the intro to Tom Sawyer by Rush, or Blue Flowers by Dr. Octagon. Haha.

Zadar! I love this module! I placed it in most of my modular grid racks. This plus drezno is my alternative to Maths. I did not know it could serve as an oscillator, and quite competently by the sound of it. It will take me about 7 months to save up for this, an FM Aid, and a 104 hp powered case. It will go with the Neutron nicely!

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

I haven't tried the Drezno yet. All of those things are a nice way to expand the Neutron definitely.

waiting for the full demo to come ;)

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

Coming when I can, I was ready to do it then it sold out all over. I didn't want to push something no one could get hold of.

Just got this as a quad EG and it is so much fun to play with. Since I've yet to read the manual, seeing this as a VCO comes as a pleasant surprise. Wow! Time to order another.

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

A second one is an interesting thought, why not 3! 4 Eos 4 LFOs and 4 VCOs haha.

Wow, might be my first module for the 32 HP system I’m building. Already have a system 1m and microbrute, this seems like it can wear many hats.

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

absolutely, killer envelope and LFO. VCO stuff is a bonus, a big one at that.

Between this and the Batumi you've got a lot of flexible modulations in 20hp... I think that's the route I'm headed.

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

yeah a serious pairing right there! :)

I was going to get a Pamela's NW as a general purpose modulator for my first ever rack...but I think this would be much more useful...especially since it doubles as an oscillator!!

Very cool and capable looking module. Looks like a very strong candidate for my 84hp rack ......... which is almost inevitably going to be expanded I’m sure. Already got the bug 😝

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

Watch out, that fever will take over :)

Made my day !

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

nice one

Brilliant.

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

cheers

great envelope!

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

absolutely

Hahahaha great , Zadar is getting better and better :) Happy i bought it. And by the way my led screen is also a bit angled just like yours.....

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

I'd not noticed, more drawn to not being able to film the screen without the black line no matter what camera settings I try! :)

Divkid, badly waiting for your full indepth tutorial video!🤓

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

me too, not sure when as the delay in stock (so I held back on the video) has pushed it out of focus for me at the minute.

@darcofication

5 жыл бұрын

It’s fully available again! 🤓

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

I know, but now I have other things I need to do first.

@zoran68

Жыл бұрын

In depth Video never came. Or I miss it?

COOL! I didn't know you could audio rate these too! It seems like you could use 3 of them plus 3-4 filters to make a polyphonic with "ADSR" for both amplitude and filters with everything perfectly matched by duping your curves across each section.

After almost 6 years .... don't think that dedicated full demo coming soon comes soon ;-)

@DivKid

2 ай бұрын

No, at the time it went out of stock and we decided not to promote something people couldn't get. Life, various things, came back in stock ... years later ... yeah no current plans. Though I wouldn't be against doing one. It's a solid module I enjoy.

Full demo Ben.

@mntbighker

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, I'm a total newb and I could sure use that full demo. I had no issue buying it. The Batumi and expander is on my next to buy list too. Actually the Batumi was suggested to me, but the Zadar was not. I read a lot of complaints about the encoders getting wonky too. But the envelope generator that was recommended to me (Cosmotronic Delta-V) isn't readily available here in the states, so I got the Zadar.

Ping for the full demo video!

The waveforms from at 3:02 onward to about 3:11 in particular. Wow. I would love to sample those and put them in some of the various Vstis and Reaktor synths I own. Could make some awesome textures with those.

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

yeah they'd be nice in some soft synths too.

Okay... I'm buying a second Zadar now. This is brilliant.

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

nice one! Two would be nice, I might have to investigate that avenue :)

Have you found a way to improve pitch tracking? Have they announced a fix to it? Doesnt seem to be working too well between -48 and -51 in the settings. Imprecise tracking. I would want a fix that locks -50 as non-approximate 1v/oct. Would be perfect along with Nin expander, making this an insane oscillator module.

One word: Damn!

Still waiting for the full demo!

@mntbighker

3 жыл бұрын

Me too

Great as always Ben. So, can you use 4 different shapes for the 4 differents outputs? Or the shape is the same for the four outputs? Im thinking they may be great envelopes for fm synthesis

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah it would be great for FM synthesis. More complex shapes controlling a series of operators.

is the full demo still coming?

Awesome! I didn't even think about this. Can you module the warp or the shape in addition to v/oct on a particular channel?

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

no, it's one input per channel. So once you're 1v/oct controlling the time/pitch you'd need have external VCAs and shapers (which is like most oscillators so that's fine).

Sounds great! Looks like a super fun way to use Zadar, do you know if an expander module is planned for the future? Would be nice to have more than one assign per envelope.

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

yeah one CV in per envelope can be a shame with how much there is to potentially modulate. I don't know anything about an expander, has that had a mention somewhere else?

@KentuckyMusic

5 жыл бұрын

DivKidVideo it just looks like it is itching for one, and batumi has one so I figured maybe it just isn’t developed. I don’t have it (yet), any extra jumpers on the back?

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

good point I'll take a look.

@Shor8bit

5 жыл бұрын

It is mentioned on the official website that an expander is planned, stating: "individual, assignable CV inputs and manual trigger push-buttons ". Will be an insta buy for owners of it I think. My personal gripe, however, is that it wont save settings on power off. I always forget to save what I made.

@KentuckyMusic

5 жыл бұрын

Shor8bit thanks for the reply!

how’s that full demo comin pal?

It's possible to use it as one shot quad complex digital drum generator? Being an envelope it can be triggered and if you force it to audio rate, as you've done here, you can achieve something like that?

Is the full demo done yet?

Did you ever do that full vid?

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

I didn't, I held off while it was out of stock and I'm getting caught up with other things at the minute.

Am I right in thinking that Freely Assignable CV is not correct? That only one CV can be assigned per channel and I cannot pick CV A & B to go to Envelope A? To get more than one mod (see one for time and another for warp) I have to wait for a yet to be unveiled Nin expander? Is this the case, and if so do you find the lack of CV limiting?

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

Hi David, with the firmware I have that is correct. I haven't had time to upgrade yet. And no I don't find it restrictive at all. The shapes can be so complex anyway that they're not needing much modulation to get interesting things going.

Do anyone knows - can Mutable Stages do the same?

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

you can push the LFO modes on Stages to be oscillators. I do have some content filmed but not finished for that.

@VCVRackIdeas

5 жыл бұрын

oh thank you, great news)

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

nice one!

Sounds a lot like a wavetable

Sounds a lot like Graphic VCO.

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

Definitely some similar tones

wtf!!!!!!

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

?

@kaiserclicker8479

5 жыл бұрын

this module is incredibly awesome

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

:)