X-Men Animated Series Original Creators Push Back Against Diversity Complaints

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The TJCS crew discuss the creators of the original X-Men: The Animated Series talking about the revival of the popular Saturday morning cartoon as well as Morph’s binary backlash.
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  • @willmahoney2452
    @willmahoney24523 ай бұрын

    The funny thing is they’re adapting Morph to look like how Morph looked in the comic book series Exiles since 2001.

  • @kaczok1985

    @kaczok1985

    3 ай бұрын

    Actually, he looked like that since Age of Apocalypse (1995)

  • @willmahoney2452

    @willmahoney2452

    3 ай бұрын

    I stand corrected. Exiles was the character’s longest use and the AoA and Exiles versions are variants of each other and are loosely based on the 1960’s character of Changeling who is dead in the 616 but had the appearance Morph did in the original animated series. Going off memory is a funny thing.

  • @lukaszzylik4437
    @lukaszzylik44373 ай бұрын

    Oh no Stan Lee's allegory for the civil rights movement is being attacked for being inclusive? Wild.

  • @n8tivesun673

    @n8tivesun673

    3 ай бұрын

    This has been debunked many times over.

  • @lukaszzylik4437

    @lukaszzylik4437

    3 ай бұрын

    @@n8tivesun673 "It not only made them different, but it was a good stand in for what was happening with the civil rights movement in the country at that time." Stan Lee on the creation of the X-Men, The Guardian, 2000.

  • @OliverSkatt03

    @OliverSkatt03

    3 ай бұрын

    If Storm was replaced by a masculine straight White man, would you welcome the change?

  • @lukaszzylik4437

    @lukaszzylik4437

    3 ай бұрын

    @@OliverSkatt03 I would not care. My only problem is when people lie about race swapping to hate on a black person, like Saga Anderson from Alan Wake 2. Or Angrboda from GoW Ragnarok.

  • @thomasandrewclifford

    @thomasandrewclifford

    3 ай бұрын

    @@OliverSkatt03 I'd care because storms identity is related to her being a Black African woman who used to be a Tribal Queen. Her character is tied to her race similar to the black panther argument people like you love to bring up. Now instead of dumb ideas to intentionally bait drama we took a character who is black but doesnt need to be black like Bishop they could totally be any race. I wouldnt care. That's all ignoring the fact that the X-men have always been incredibly inclusive and diverse to represent how the x-gene is a global phenomena. That said, if you are really that upset that Morph got new pronouns I'd maybe just go live in the woods. Diversity only moves in one direction. It's a force of nature that cannot be fought.

  • @tehdipstick
    @tehdipstick3 ай бұрын

    It saddens me how *not* surprised I am about X-Men "fans" completely missing the point that the mutants are an allegory for any and all oppressed minorities, whether it because of ethnicity, religion, sexuality or gender identity.

  • @victory7763

    @victory7763

    3 ай бұрын

    They are living proof that what the X-Men fight in their world, still very much exists in our world too

  • @kaczok1985

    @kaczok1985

    3 ай бұрын

    Yeah. It's not diversity that's the issue. It's a decade of X-Men comics with crap writing.

  • @SilverFang95

    @SilverFang95

    3 ай бұрын

    Minorites aren't oppressed.

  • @OniGenma

    @OniGenma

    3 ай бұрын

    Gender identity isn't real, and neither are the Xmen, so I guess it's ok to continue playing pretend and changing up the characters. You've convinced me lol

  • @jotaux3652
    @jotaux36523 ай бұрын

    The crazy thing to me was when people complained about Jean not wanting her child to be a mutant saying it destroys their memory of the original… she literally talks about it at the end of the first season in the original!

  • @krisowy79
    @krisowy793 ай бұрын

    Complaining about social diversity in the X-Men is like complaining about gore in evil dead.

  • @hillbaby02
    @hillbaby023 ай бұрын

    The only difference is the term non binary wasn't around in the 90s. If the character now chooses to identify as non binary, what's the problem, especially considering his powers? This doesn't define his sexuality, only his gender, to which the he and other shapeshifters give the term gender bending a whole new meaning.

  • @Rayzor_Blaydez

    @Rayzor_Blaydez

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Mickey-1994 You're literally the villain here, just go make a billboard saying you hate muties. same thing.

  • @CryptidZeker415

    @CryptidZeker415

    3 ай бұрын

    Exactly. If this was a new adaption of the X Men set today, then yes, morph being non binary, go for it. But in a 90s setting it absolutely makes no sense to use or identify as that term

  • @Hedgehobbit

    @Hedgehobbit

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Rayzor_Blaydez Mutants are the bad guy in the X-Men. They are literally trying to take over the world in every episode.

  • @jessep6330
    @jessep63303 ай бұрын

    Isn't this fear of different people the point of the outcast mutant scenario? The reason I read the comics was for their diversity. In my case, I never saw Native American characters until Clairemont added Dani Moonstar, Forge, or the Proudstars.

  • @flaminggmonkeyss

    @flaminggmonkeyss

    3 ай бұрын

    I think this is a little different, cause were any of those characters changed or derived from previous ones? Also why aren't they using those characters more often. I think most people are fine with, even welcome diversity, but studios pretend like those characters don't exist and change the popular ones to fit their molds instead of letting them be who they are. Sometimes it just feels like they want to create division among fandom, it's so easily avoidable. Who in reality actually doesn't want peace and acceptance, not many I don't think, if people can look deeper into people beyond walls of anger bias and differences, but it just red vs blue these days and no ones listening

  • @kaczok1985

    @kaczok1985

    3 ай бұрын

    @@flaminggmonkeyss This. Storm was the lead character for most of Claremont's legendary run and she is beloved by fans. It's almost as if fans will happily embrace a well written original "diverse" character. But that requires actual writing talent and it's much easier to magically turn Iceman gay and call readers homophobes if they complain about it.

  • @MavethTheReaper

    @MavethTheReaper

    3 ай бұрын

    @kaczok1985 Interesting you think characters don't change? In comics? You sure you want to stick to this point?

  • @kaczok1985

    @kaczok1985

    3 ай бұрын

    @@MavethTheReaper Character changes are supposed to make sense.

  • @MavethTheReaper

    @MavethTheReaper

    3 ай бұрын

    @kaczok1985 this wasn't a big character change if any, people are honestly infuriating, stop freaking complaining, just don't watch all of us can enjoy, if one character has you losing your mind

  • @shadowone01x99
    @shadowone01x993 ай бұрын

    Northstar is the FIRST GAY Superhero in Marvel created in the 1970s and is an X-men character.

  • @ChrisHarrisX85
    @ChrisHarrisX853 ай бұрын

    Anyone that's upset about diversity in X-Men clearly doesn't understand the whole idea behind X-Men

  • @n8tivesun673

    @n8tivesun673

    3 ай бұрын

    Wrong

  • @OliverSkatt03

    @OliverSkatt03

    3 ай бұрын

    So if Storm was replaced by an Asian man and Bishop a White Woman, you’d be totally on board with it? Diversity baby!

  • @devJOE-Man

    @devJOE-Man

    3 ай бұрын

    @@OliverSkatt03you guys just looooove using extreme useless examples lol 😂. We could be talking about a cooking stove and you guys will talk about a whole forest burn fire

  • @OliverSkatt03

    @OliverSkatt03

    3 ай бұрын

    @@devJOE-Man useless example = American slavery. Why complain about something that doesn’t exist when there are more slaves alive today than back then? You see. Some people just make good points.

  • @SonOfAsgard-ku4kd
    @SonOfAsgard-ku4kd3 ай бұрын

    I'm confused to why mentioning morph is non- binary?? He could of just been morph. Smh 😂

  • @roguefrogger5823
    @roguefrogger58233 ай бұрын

    I said it before and I'll say it again: "I can't wait until these same self-proclaimed fans find out Wolverine is bisexual and in a throuple with Jean Grey and Cyclops." 😅

  • @kaczok1985

    @kaczok1985

    3 ай бұрын

    In a lot of cases they will stop buying the comic and not tell anyone about it. Eventually it will become a massive sales problem for Marvel. And then Marvel, not having enough readers, will compensate by printing every issue with 3 or 4 alternate covers so the collectors that stay are incentivized to buy the same comic book multiple times.... What? They're doing it right now? Well color me shocked.

  • @MavethTheReaper

    @MavethTheReaper

    3 ай бұрын

    @@kaczok1985 They said that about the MCU when it was first introduced, yet the movies did banger, said that about black Panther but it did banger, I'm sure everything will be fine

  • @kaczok1985

    @kaczok1985

    3 ай бұрын

    @@MavethTheReaper So how's phase 4 doing? Marvels was a colossal box office success, right? She-Hulk is a beloved show, right? How about Echo? Secret Invasion? MCU ran out of steam after Endgame. There were successful films since then (Spider-Man: No Way Home, Guardians 3) but, overall, the MCU is going downhill these days. And the people that complain about diversity are not the worst thing that can happen to a franchise. At least, they still care about it. Silent apathy is much worse. And it's not even a diversity issue. It's a crappy writing issue, both when it comes to Marvel Comics and the MCU.

  • @n8tivesun673

    @n8tivesun673

    3 ай бұрын

    Wolverine should never been a pouf. Ever

  • @htruman
    @htruman3 ай бұрын

    They also complain the Rouge does not have a big butt.

  • @justin1871

    @justin1871

    3 ай бұрын

    This one though 😢

  • @jloiben12

    @jloiben12

    3 ай бұрын

    To be fair though, worst change possible

  • @FriendlyBatDoom

    @FriendlyBatDoom

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@jloiben12😂😂

  • @pricelessmatrix

    @pricelessmatrix

    3 ай бұрын

    @@James_Willow so people are weirdos for finding humans in animation form attractive. Like Jessica rabbit, even Betty boop. And the list goes on, even in an anime today... Real women put on makeup and morph their face to look like cartoons... I don't think people complaining about rogue or weirdos. It's just some changes are unnecessary. And she like other marvel characters were voluptuous.

  • @MavethTheReaper

    @MavethTheReaper

    3 ай бұрын

    @@pricelessmatrix Whooooo cares it's a fake character, so the butt is smaller, really, really, you mad about that?

  • @SecondTake123
    @SecondTake1233 ай бұрын

    These are fictional super hero mutants, they can be any gender, they aren't real human beings, this isn't real life! 😂

  • @uncannyavenger9998

    @uncannyavenger9998

    3 ай бұрын

    Media brainwashes people, kids that why the TV was created. So it has meaning.

  • @n8tivesun673

    @n8tivesun673

    3 ай бұрын

    Nope, stick to the source material.

  • @Cbrun
    @Cbrun3 ай бұрын

    Fortunately, anyone who seriously has the energy to get worked up over something like this won’t be procreating anytime soon. Change is ok people. Enjoy the show.

  • @atticus8659

    @atticus8659

    3 ай бұрын

    What are you talking about? People like that have way too many children.

  • @Cbrun

    @Cbrun

    3 ай бұрын

    @@atticus8659While I can see your point of the general demographic who would be generally upset about gender issues you have to take into account these particular individuals are also those angry about the gender of a random character named Morph. It’s definitive their odds of getting laid are minuscule.

  • @Hedgehobbit

    @Hedgehobbit

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Cbrun No. We have kids and don't want our kids indoctrinated by a cartoon.

  • @Cbrun

    @Cbrun

    3 ай бұрын

    @@HedgehobbitIf you are being serious it likely means you need to be a better parent if a cartoon is “indoctrinating” your kid.

  • @Hedgehobbit

    @Hedgehobbit

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Cbrun Being careful about what media my kids are ingesting is a huge part of being a better parent.

  • @sneakyfox5
    @sneakyfox53 ай бұрын

    To be a Mutant Is to be different! 🤘

  • @pierrechildress8875
    @pierrechildress88753 ай бұрын

    Great video and commentary. Anybody who is offended at John's comments comparing these on-line anti-gay/trans bigots to the bigots in the show... is probably a low-key bigot.

  • @lionmom7629

    @lionmom7629

    3 ай бұрын

    Yep. Agreed!

  • @beanburritozz3044

    @beanburritozz3044

    3 ай бұрын

    Yes, being against immorality is now being a “bigot”. Bigot used to mean someone who didnt treat people fairly, and now it means anyone who opposes the pervert agenda

  • @Hannah-wo9qf
    @Hannah-wo9qf3 ай бұрын

    Thing is, Morph being the one character specifically meant to represent nonbinary people, doesn’t stop all of the other Xmen from being this general allegory for anyone experiencing discrimination. Especially if you can have specific Xmen/Mutants be openly gay, and that not be limiting. Why then with Morph is one shapeshifter being confirmed as identifying nonbinary suddenly limiting? There are other shapeshifters like Mystique who aren’t openly nonbinary.

  • @ChrisLamia

    @ChrisLamia

    3 ай бұрын

    Mystique’s a father so I think she could be lumped in with Morph

  • @Hannah-wo9qf

    @Hannah-wo9qf

    3 ай бұрын

    @@ChrisLamia I wasn’t aware if this but guess in that case comic wise yes. Not sure if this will transpire in the animation though.

  • @craigclarke6044
    @craigclarke60443 ай бұрын

    They called Non binery people SHAPESHIFTERS. 😂😂😂😂 That on its own had me 😂

  • @joelsommers
    @joelsommers3 ай бұрын

    These conversations are messy because they get irony all over everything. Like, you could take the exact same complaints, and paste them into the convo's of the early 90's when people complained about how STAR TREK TNG, etc. were overly focused on representation. Or into the convo's of the late 60's when people were pearl-clutching over the first interracial kiss. And on. And on. And on. It's all of a type, and the type is 'stop changing the stuff from which I derive personal comfort.' And it's usually paired with, 'And it's NOT because I have anything against [black/gay/female/disabled/trans/nonbinary/etc] people. How dare you suggest otherwise!' The whole POINT of diversity in our media is that (1) our media should reflect the totality of our society and not just the experience of the people who are making the content and that (2) our media should normalize that which is normal but unfamiliar. Providing that our entertainment is first and foremost delivering high quality and engaging story-telling, then whenever people get hung up on these details, they're telling us that our entertainment is doing exactly what it should do.

  • @majorlazor5058

    @majorlazor5058

    3 ай бұрын

    There are a lot of truly dense people out there who hate social change, but love media by progressively minded people.

  • @majorlazor5058

    @majorlazor5058

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Mickey-1994 one hell of a trend.. been going for for decades now and only getting more and more people identify as trans and binary. When is it going to end?

  • @rburke4042
    @rburke40423 ай бұрын

    All this proves is that Magneto is right.

  • @joelsommers

    @joelsommers

    3 ай бұрын

    BAAAAASED.

  • @MavethTheReaper

    @MavethTheReaper

    3 ай бұрын

    Facts

  • @MavethTheReaper

    @MavethTheReaper

    3 ай бұрын

    @Mickey-1994 What he wouldn't support are haters, he was for all mutants.

  • @MavethTheReaper

    @MavethTheReaper

    3 ай бұрын

    @Mickey-1994 The truth is we get this amazing anime, go preach somewhere else k, we will enjoy xmen

  • @MavethTheReaper

    @MavethTheReaper

    3 ай бұрын

    @Mickey-1994 What truth are you talking about, stop sounding cult minded, stay off extreme right wing media k, most of us will enjoy this amazing show, you do you

  • @GangstaStan010
    @GangstaStan0103 ай бұрын

    People complained about diversity.... In the X-Men?! What?!

  • @Travel__Spin

    @Travel__Spin

    3 ай бұрын

    As adults watching it, they just realized they are the villains of the X-Men's story, and they are having a hard time dealing with it. lol

  • @itneeds2bsaid528
    @itneeds2bsaid5283 ай бұрын

    If they were continuing the ideals of tolerance and celebrating differences like the original, they wouldn't have body-shamed Rogue and gotten rid of her curves.

  • @frstnmlstnm8484

    @frstnmlstnm8484

    2 ай бұрын

    You are the one who should get shamed for this comment. What did your mother do to you?

  • @darylmodjeski698
    @darylmodjeski6983 ай бұрын

    To me the design of Morph was changed because that was what Morph looked like from Exsiles comic that was popular. I like the new look of Morph becuse I liked the comic.

  • @Spider-Kayla
    @Spider-Kayla3 ай бұрын

    I've loved X-Men for a long time, their stories and struggles are relatable for a lot of people. Comics should be for everyone. And I agree those spitting verbally they want to outcast and remove people of different backgrounds and experiences - those are the ones the X-Men fought so hard to find common ground, to fight for understanding and peace between mutants and humanity. And it's not just Mutants who get targeted by anti-mutant groups, it is also the humans who side with Mutants who get attacked and treated harshly. Not sure such issues will ever be sorted, but that doesn't mean those fighting for peace (like the X-Men) should stop their efforts. With the struggle and the need to fight for what they believe in - it remains relatable. I loved the original cartoon, looking forward to see if the new one is gonna be good.

  • @kevindiliberto9678
    @kevindiliberto96783 ай бұрын

    Does this mean mystique is non binary too? Just stop this insanity

  • @datguy3581

    @datguy3581

    3 ай бұрын

    Why? What's wrong with being non binary?

  • @JMANB5

    @JMANB5

    3 ай бұрын

    @@datguy3581That person is just an easily triggered snowflake.

  • @latishabuckner8231

    @latishabuckner8231

    3 ай бұрын

    If she is, it doesn't change anything about her character. Come on, there are worse things going on in the world to be upset about 😩

  • @kevindiliberto9678

    @kevindiliberto9678

    3 ай бұрын

    @@latishabuckner8231 exactly. Great point.

  • @kanutt1

    @kanutt1

    3 ай бұрын

    @@kevindiliberto9678 Fantastic point, maybe the greatest point ever. I don't see how that argument can't be used to almost every single character ever though.

  • @PartiesInTheAfterlife
    @PartiesInTheAfterlife3 ай бұрын

    I wonder if people realize actual political agendas are literally oversaturating the entertainment business with no consideration to the majority fanbase. Nevermind individual thought or choice amiright? Accept everything or die attitude.

  • @wraithkelso

    @wraithkelso

    3 ай бұрын

    so let me get this straight, populating the world of a story to represent the real world and all the diverse people in it, is "political"? because The way I see it, that's simply a no brainer, yeah there are lgbtq people in the world so it stands to reason that in the world if the X-men, some of them would be lgbtq. No different from that there would obviously be Black, Asian, Native American, Indian, Middle Eastern, South American, etc people that would have mutant powers in this fictional world. I truly don't see the difference here, but maybe that's because I feel ALL PEOPLE regardless their ethnicity, skin color, religion, gender, or sexual orientation are in fact HUMANs created equal and deserving to just live their lives in peace without fear of persecution by the pearl clutchers of the world.

  • @majorlazor5058

    @majorlazor5058

    3 ай бұрын

    Back in the 60’s the majority (specifically wyte Americans) didn’t want to give blck people true equality and desired to remain segregated. Today we look back and say that’s crazy. Much of what you protest against today, 60 years from now we’ll look back and say “that’s crazy people opposed that.” Being in the majority means nothing when it comes to social equality.

  • @PartiesInTheAfterlife

    @PartiesInTheAfterlife

    3 ай бұрын

    @@wraithkelso and just to be fair, their has never really been a problem until this generation of the last 10 years (who obviously ignore that the 90s existed) with all those things you just listed. It was very well represented and understood in tv shows of the day, the difference is things that people kept private and didn’t care to advertise has now become everyone else’s business and when you force making a private issue other people’s business, you get different opinions. You can literally look back at how it already existed in tv shows and movies, I know, I lived it. No one cared what your race, creed, sexual preference was. The ones that “care so much” doing their damnedest to split every hair making issue of anything as a means to divide everyone into camps, sectioning people into tribes in order to further divide. That’s truly the real evil that has snuck into the entertainment industry, creating manufactured distrust and hatred where there was non to begin with. We were fine pre 2000s, but now you have cult aspirant college grads who strongarm the business and get to tell you how terrible white people, heterosexuals, and conservatives are while pretending to not be selling hatred. Fun times

  • @beplatinum2014
    @beplatinum20143 ай бұрын

    10:19 Morph was based on an older X-men character that was killed off named Changeling.

  • @andrewfradley7876

    @andrewfradley7876

    3 ай бұрын

    He was also brought back for the Age of Apocalypse timeline, which is where his new design comes from.

  • @andrewfradley7876

    @andrewfradley7876

    3 ай бұрын

    He was also brought back for the Age of Apocalypse timeline, which is where his new face design comes from.

  • @jloiben12
    @jloiben123 ай бұрын

    The X-Men have been pretty consistently providing the same message on diversity since just about day 1. It has been 60 years of the same lessons. No. People do not learn

  • @Dru2037

    @Dru2037

    3 ай бұрын

    It's like they're complaining water is wet.

  • @spicymemes7458

    @spicymemes7458

    3 ай бұрын

    Because it's trendy to be bigots in recent years. Social media amplifies every shitty voice.

  • @slybynatureTKN
    @slybynatureTKN3 ай бұрын

    non-binary is just a trigger word, if they hadnt labelled morph there wouldnt have been a problem, imagine a show about inclusion n being mad about whoo was included 😂

  • @LARRYLONGSTRETH

    @LARRYLONGSTRETH

    3 ай бұрын

    Maybe more than half of X-Men fans would 100% be in the Friends of Humanity if mutants were real. Just like how many people who watch Jaws and hate the mayor for wanting to keep the beaches open would be on his side in real life. We all have a little villain in us. It's a bummer.

  • @jokester3076
    @jokester30763 ай бұрын

    I’m going to start calling non-binaries shapeshifters now

  • @Ty_Quattro

    @Ty_Quattro

    3 ай бұрын

    I wonder why they didn't try this reasoning with mystique? Is she non binary now also? Why can't morph...be morph

  • @Nathan47223

    @Nathan47223

    3 ай бұрын

    They’re are going to offend people even more by trying to not be offensive lol

  • @misterbrady100
    @misterbrady1003 ай бұрын

    It's been thirty years. Surely we can see that these issues don't go away. The only thing that changes is how we choose to engage or deal with them.

  • @marvincharles7332
    @marvincharles73323 ай бұрын

    Storm has always been black. This guy is trying to greats an argument out of nothing

  • @NotSoSvenn
    @NotSoSvenn3 ай бұрын

    RBM definitely plays both sides these days doesn't he.

  • @kamilkoolkr

    @kamilkoolkr

    3 ай бұрын

    lol yeah I was like what a weird take……

  • @lincoln2324
    @lincoln23243 ай бұрын

    The problem here is not being against a non-binary character, it's the fact that they changed a character not for story purposes or plot, they changed it just to fulfill an LGBT quote. Those statements saying like "it was always intended to be like this" I personally don't buy it. IF truth behind it all is that Disney ordered the showrunner to put an LGBT character fine, BUT CREATE AN LGBT CHARACTER, that's real inclusion

  • @datguy3581

    @datguy3581

    3 ай бұрын

    I think having more modern day marginalized people actually helps the overall message of x men which is about standing up for marginalized people and fighting against hate and social stigma. Back in the day, there was backlash over Storm's introduction because she's black and she doesn't need to be black. Sure, Morph doesn't need to be non binary. But there is a ton of rich storytelling potential with him being nonbinary. You really think that x men is just going to have a queer character without drawing parallels between their lives and the discrimination and hate that mutants receive?

  • @solblackguy

    @solblackguy

    3 ай бұрын

    I've heard more about Morph in the past month than I've heard about Morph in 20 years thanks to the news rag that every performative outrage tuber read off but is too embarrassed to cite because it comes from a right wing alt-right affiliate of Breibart. "Fan favorite" said no one ever about Morph.

  • @PeterHarlequinWhite

    @PeterHarlequinWhite

    3 ай бұрын

    They made him more comic book accurate. Get over yourself and your close minded 'nothing can change' viewpoint.

  • @MavethTheReaper

    @MavethTheReaper

    3 ай бұрын

    Morph was such a small character, the fact people fake caring this hard, are just people that have a bigger issue.

  • @mactastic144
    @mactastic1443 ай бұрын

    I think the people complaining on Twitter are ignorant and in the minority.

  • @samanthamaclean1430

    @samanthamaclean1430

    3 ай бұрын

    Yeah I agree I don’t see the complaints on the other apps as bad as Twitter who say they don’t like somethings and yet , they’re not the ones paying for the movie tickets that are the majority of fans who say their fans

  • @e3vL1

    @e3vL1

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@samanthamaclean1430true. Look what happened to the DCEU. Tons of fans hyping up the movies and saying it's better than M (she) CU. When the movie released, they didn't buy tickets lol

  • @Ty_Quattro

    @Ty_Quattro

    3 ай бұрын

    That sounds like what they said about 'the marvels'...trying to remember how that turned out

  • @Ty_Quattro

    @Ty_Quattro

    3 ай бұрын

    That sounds like what they said about lightyear...trying to remember how that turned out

  • @ssseditz6613

    @ssseditz6613

    3 ай бұрын

    Apart from few states of us, fee parts of UK and Europe rest of the word doesn't even believe in this non sense binary stuff lol 😂

  • @pricelessmatrix
    @pricelessmatrix3 ай бұрын

    My question is, if we have to accept a term for morph if that was not used in 1997. Why is no one talking about calling mystique non-binary... They aren't too many internet shows out there that don't ride the fence, I just need some people to be honest and don't talk like they're going to be canceled... Why bring X-Men back at all then... It's like messing up a great recipe and then telling people they have no taste buds cuz they don't like the bullshit you put on their plate... People are allowed to not like something without being criticized for doing so.

  • @ryhanon7

    @ryhanon7

    3 ай бұрын

    The term was first coined in the mid-80s and was used quite regularly around the mid-90s. So it makes perfect sense to be used in 97.

  • @elliotjmorales

    @elliotjmorales

    3 ай бұрын

    @@ryhanon7regularly by who? I was born in 76. Grew up in Bronx New York. Lived there for 27 years, and then North Carolina for 9 years. In all that time I never heard that term. Not until 2014. I’m sure it’s older than 2014 but definitely not “normal” in the 90s

  • @cjspyker

    @cjspyker

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@elliotjmoralesyou grew up in the Bronx how much are you moving around the city?

  • @elliotjmorales

    @elliotjmorales

    3 ай бұрын

    @@cjspyker a lot. Lots of time in Manhattan. Hung out in Yonkers, Queens, and Brooklyn. Even worked for a year in the World Trade Center before the towers fell

  • @joelsommers

    @joelsommers

    3 ай бұрын

    Thanks for making me think about this. Upon reflection, I agree with you: OF COURSE MYSTIQUE IS NON-BINARY. And what a perfect opportunity for this franchise to acknowledge such an obvious truth. It's like the final missing puzzle piece snapping into place. Very satisfying.

  • @drewlemmerick8504
    @drewlemmerick85043 ай бұрын

    This is arguably my new favourite John Campea segment. Absolutely relevant and 100% what xmen is all about. I love that the original creators threw light on this

  • @ConradProteus
    @ConradProteus2 ай бұрын

    So you compare the fictive people from the show not accepting Xmen, who is despite this trying to save them with the cinema diversity toxicity not being accepted by people?

  • @709mash
    @709mash3 ай бұрын

    People complaining about diversity in a show that is about diversity and civil rights 🤦

  • @simpicusmaximus

    @simpicusmaximus

    3 ай бұрын

    It's crazy how you think diversity, equity and inclusion efforts and civil rights are synonomous. That's like saying stalinism was a civil rights movement 😂😂

  • @Alex_Logan22

    @Alex_Logan22

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@simpicusmaximus Crazy how you put words in people's mouth to make shit up.

  • @krisowy79

    @krisowy79

    3 ай бұрын

    simpicusmaximus...inclusion and civil rights are exactly synonymous - civil rights are "guarantees of equal social opportunities and protection under the law, regardless of race, religion, or other characteristics". And Stalinism was not inclusive, neither was it based on civil rights - it was a brutal, isolationist, authoritarian regime, based on "us and them" ideology, very similar to Fascism - just that the suppression of "the other" was based on different criteria. It was posing as socialism but was actually far from it - if you were a religious person, or a capitalist, or a democrat, or homosexual, you were a second class citizen at best, or an enemy of the state often send to a work camp.

  • @yodieyuh

    @yodieyuh

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@krisowy79 They said DEI, not just inclusion on it's own.

  • @milesludi2053
    @milesludi20533 ай бұрын

    The problem could be the changing of an old character instead of building a new one from scratch. It’s perceived as lazy.

  • @slip6hazard9

    @slip6hazard9

    3 ай бұрын

    lol are you serious? Because that makes absolutely no sense.

  • @hrs2044

    @hrs2044

    3 ай бұрын

    Youre missing the entire point of what the creators of Morph himself are saying. This is not some reinterpretation of Morph. This IS Morph and who he/she always was. A shapeshifter who easily transitions between male and female characters clearly is comfortable with himself and his/her sexuality. Morph was always nonbinary, only now there is a term for it whereas back in the 90's there was not.

  • @Alton7771

    @Alton7771

    3 ай бұрын

    comic book charge their charter all the time. And if they did create new charter some people would say stop making new characters stick with the originals

  • @slip6hazard9

    @slip6hazard9

    3 ай бұрын

    @@AdamSummers-wj9vw "Now, if he shifts into a female, then he feels and identifies as a female. See the difference?" Um what? You do realize that's not what non-binary means right?

  • @manuelalbertoromero9528

    @manuelalbertoromero9528

    3 ай бұрын

    @@hrs2044 I mean, the term likely existed, it just wasn't commonly used and the internet wasn't quite like it is now.

  • @NotSoSvenn
    @NotSoSvenn3 ай бұрын

    Ppl using stan lees words to paint the narrative he didnt intend any messaging.. Well they leave out the part where he says once he realized the message and what it meant to ppl... he leaned into it and was happy about it.

  • @plisskenetic
    @plisskenetic3 ай бұрын

    Changing morph looks pretty justified. If they race swapped like Cyclops or Wolverine etc, that'll be some serious "no-way" on my part.

  • @protoman2260

    @protoman2260

    3 ай бұрын

    There was really no point in changing morph’s face. Especially since in the first trailer they *just* showed us the ending scene in season 5 with morph *in* it! So we saw what he looked like and if they don’t address why he looks that way *in the show* then that’s a major let down.

  • @samgoodell8110
    @samgoodell81103 ай бұрын

    John, I think you’re missing a key point about this and Morphs character change and I’d be more than happy to discuss it with you in detail with no hatred, but just to see an alternative side why people like me, a gay rational man, are upset with this change and why logic is not breaking through for the reason why.

  • @datguy3581

    @datguy3581

    3 ай бұрын

    Personally I think people need to just accept that this is a different iteration of the character made for a different audience and a different time. Not everything is going to stay the same. The x men were created in the 60s for a different audience. This new show is made for the present day and is made for younger audiences.

  • @MavethTheReaper

    @MavethTheReaper

    3 ай бұрын

    I am a gay man and love this choice, and confused why someone who is also gay has an issue, this is a new Xmen 97 sure, but this also has what looks to be madeline pryor not jean.

  • @MavethTheReaper

    @MavethTheReaper

    3 ай бұрын

    @@datguy3581 This, based

  • @datguy3581

    @datguy3581

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Mickey-1994 Rogue was already less curvy. She only has a large butt in one episode of the original series. The new version is more consistent with 90% of the original x men animated series.

  • @Unworshipediety

    @Unworshipediety

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Mickey-1994 Just Rule 34 that bruh!

  • @blue_lancer_es
    @blue_lancer_es3 ай бұрын

    Even though a shape shifter as a non binary character makes sense the question I have is, was non binary a thing in 97?

  • @LAHowell

    @LAHowell

    3 ай бұрын

    The term was certainly not as prominent, but androgynous people who don’t exist on either end of the masculine/feminine spectrum, or even perhaps go back and forth between the two, have always existed. Just because there wasn’t a concrete term for something doesn’t mean it hasn’t always existed.

  • @EdeDizon

    @EdeDizon

    3 ай бұрын

    just because people in the 1700s didn't call it a "rose" didn't mean they didn't exist back then.

  • @blue_lancer_es

    @blue_lancer_es

    3 ай бұрын

    @@EdeDizon today we can say hey I had a friend that was nonbinary. But since the series is in 97 would they even mention the word. Or is it that it is implied because we know. Or is it like "hey I'm nonbinary and I go by they/them" see the difference?

  • @SecondTake123

    @SecondTake123

    3 ай бұрын

    The term didn't exist but of course they did exist!

  • @smcauley600

    @smcauley600

    3 ай бұрын

    yes

  • @Duma2011
    @Duma20113 ай бұрын

    I like how morph is suddenly everyone's favorite xmen character.

  • @Hisagi197

    @Hisagi197

    3 ай бұрын

    Lmao yeah but there is definitely an objective to add more diversity which is ok under normal circumstances but its not ok when its forced i do think its weird to change a characters whole image was portayed to be man in the show. Imagine changing yajirobe.. a man from dragonball z to non binary in the next dragonball series after super? People going to be like what?

  • @loooooooooby

    @loooooooooby

    3 ай бұрын

    So many people just looking for a reason to complain.

  • @phoenixfunny4517

    @phoenixfunny4517

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@Hisagi197 stupid ass comparison. Yajorbi isn't a shapeshifter that's shapeshifts

  • @RandomBlackGamer

    @RandomBlackGamer

    3 ай бұрын

    @@phoenixfunny4517 lol he would've been better off using Puar and Oolong as examples.

  • @marleydiazdelvalle563

    @marleydiazdelvalle563

    3 ай бұрын

    @@AdamSummers-wj9vwnon binary people still existed in 1997 dude and plenty of people don’t discover things about themselves until later on in their life. Why can’t Morph being non binary just be a continuation of Morph’s journey?

  • @theprescription1
    @theprescription13 ай бұрын

    One could say the wokeness wave approach is more akin of Magneto and the Brotherhood’s approach to forcing a new mutant superiority on the majority of the populace. There’s tons of subtext for this in the films. “We’re the future Charles, not them.” The outcasts of yesteryear came about organically over decades of varying levels of pop culture/experience. Most of this is coming down from on high from corporations. Feels like astroturf instead of grassroots. It’s the heavy handed delivery of these concepts that most people push back against. The sales numbers show that the public thinks this shit is moving too fast. The Xmen were a liaison between humans and mutants, so they would’ve practiced some diplomacy for both parties. We would have naturally worked out these demographic differences peacefully and over time had things not been so accelerated. These corporations want your money. They don’t care about anyone’s identity or movement as long as they can milk you ✌️

  • @darkmoon0219
    @darkmoon02193 ай бұрын

    People complaining about diversity in a show about the hate mutants (aka..people that are different) receive from humans that hate diversity is crazy to me...and this show/comic was never for them anyways... I'll enjoy it though because I still remember getting the vhs and personal pan pizza hut combo back in the day...

  • @chase9573
    @chase95733 ай бұрын

    Morph looks like that in thebcomics guys! He's a shapshifter.

  • @n8tivesun673

    @n8tivesun673

    3 ай бұрын

    This show predates his appearance in the comics.

  • @TYMMSTER
    @TYMMSTER3 ай бұрын

    Actually Morph was based off of the Changeling (who even stood in for Prof X and died in his place) and even looked like him in their “normal” unmasked form. I think I still have those books bagged and boarded.

  • @n8tivesun673

    @n8tivesun673

    3 ай бұрын

    Their? Changeling was male.

  • @BrokenNoah
    @BrokenNoah3 ай бұрын

    Online politics brain rot

  • @smcauley600

    @smcauley600

    3 ай бұрын

    what?

  • @BenjaminDaCunha-ys8ty
    @BenjaminDaCunha-ys8ty3 ай бұрын

    Umbrella Academy handled the gender transition of a character perfectly. It was brought up and every character just showed support, accepted it and it was never brought up again. Because reality is that it shouldn’t be a big deal. That’s how I see X Men 97 handling it.

  • @gwell2118

    @gwell2118

    3 ай бұрын

    Right? All the information these grifters and whiners have is like a paragraph in an article and they’re trying to spin it as somehow they hate straight men. Let’s not pretend they aren’t just going to stop talking about it when the shows out and it’s fine.

  • @GojosBackHand

    @GojosBackHand

    3 ай бұрын

    Umbrella academy is not a good example since the graphic is still running and VOILET NEVER WAS NEVER TRANS. That piss off the creator of the graphic novel and he pull out after the second season. That how bad things have gotten

  • @gwell2118

    @gwell2118

    3 ай бұрын

    @@GojosBackHand what are you talking about? Where did it say he pulled out. They’re still EP.

  • @OliverSkatt03

    @OliverSkatt03

    3 ай бұрын

    Gender transitioning didn’t work, a lot of people stepped away when Ellen played Victor. It was weird and unnatural seeing a chick portraying a dude, it always comes across as phony and boring.

  • @marblehillpjs
    @marblehillpjs3 ай бұрын

    Morph always seemed like he was based on Changling in the 60s

  • @Tizzo1982
    @Tizzo19823 ай бұрын

    I dont care for when characters, long standing characters are gender swapped or their sexual orientation is changed for the sake of reaching different demo's (i personally think new heroes should be created for that). With that said, Morph is the very definition of Non Binary. Hell, Mystique could qualify as well, despite her having children. This is a silly thing to get mad about.

  • @kaczok1985

    @kaczok1985

    3 ай бұрын

    Mystique's was recently revealed to be Kurt's father. Just saying.

  • @profezzorx9131
    @profezzorx91313 ай бұрын

    Next, people will complain about creators cutting off Bishop's dredlocks.

  • @scarboroughdebutante
    @scarboroughdebutante2 ай бұрын

    Loved Campea but RMB's take was not good; with his rationale then Storm and Bishop are taking the focus off 'real minorities' because they're black or Roberto Afro-Latinx-which is something they actually addressed head on in One Mans Worth from the first series. Letting others share their experiences isn't limiting, its actually the opposite and lets others try to understand and empathize with their plights. I think what you're missing is your own relatability and thats probably because, like most youtube talking heads like RMB are expecting every character to represent them, as if others don't exist with some sorta main character complex.

  • @CryptidZeker415
    @CryptidZeker4153 ай бұрын

    Guys, the reason people are complaining about Morph is cause its the 90s. Terms like Non Binary, gender fluid, a sexual, omni sexual, they/them and etc did not exist in 90s. If this was a new adaption set in modern times, yes, ok, morph being non binary in 2024, ok, no problem with that. BUT THIS IS X MEN 97. Emphasis being on 97(are you gonna call someone a Kar n in the 90s?) This is the push for forcing a modern day topic into a time specific era which is a sour note to fans who have seen fan favorite old school properties done dirty by modern day topics

  • @mckenanbundy3578

    @mckenanbundy3578

    3 ай бұрын

    Actually a lot of those terms and concepts did exist

  • @CryptidZeker415

    @CryptidZeker415

    3 ай бұрын

    @@mckenanbundy3578 dude I grew up in America during the 90s. Those terms did not exist. In the past decade, yes those terms and sexuality started being named. But never in the 90s

  • @ToastieCinemaX

    @ToastieCinemaX

    3 ай бұрын

    @@CryptidZeker415these did exist you don’t know the history of my community

  • @CryptidZeker415

    @CryptidZeker415

    3 ай бұрын

    @@ToastieCinemaX yeah and apparently you don't know what made sense in the 90s

  • @johansvensson833

    @johansvensson833

    3 ай бұрын

    it has always existed

  • @robertoirizarry230
    @robertoirizarry2303 ай бұрын

    Wouldn’t Mystique by default then be non-binary as well? What about the T-1000 from T2?

  • @BlinkNetwork889

    @BlinkNetwork889

    3 ай бұрын

    T-1000 is a robot I don’t think it has a gender

  • @bobbydrake2486

    @bobbydrake2486

    3 ай бұрын

    I was just thinking about Mystique would qualify as being Non-binary as well

  • @KingOfMadCows

    @KingOfMadCows

    3 ай бұрын

    Loki would be nonbinary too since in the myths, he turned into a mare, got pregnant, and gave birth to a six legged horse that Odin took as his steed.

  • @hrs2044

    @hrs2044

    3 ай бұрын

    You would have to ask Mystique's creators. Only they would know.

  • @Dru2037

    @Dru2037

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@KingOfMadCows they'll say those myths were made up today to push an agenda.😂

  • @retrodude5891
    @retrodude58913 ай бұрын

    Morph looks like the one from The Exiles comic run. And has a funny personality.

  • @BrikMason
    @BrikMason3 ай бұрын

    Dealing with the same issues? Hell it’s worse now than it was 30 years ago. We are going backwards not forwards and at a rapid rate.

  • @metallicnole4514

    @metallicnole4514

    3 ай бұрын

    The attitudes have not changed. The only difference is that people have a platform on social media to voice their opinions, good or bad

  • @datguy3581

    @datguy3581

    3 ай бұрын

    @@metallicnole4514 I think priorities have shifted a bit. I feel like there is stretches where being gender nonconforming is disapproved of but not really a leading culture war issue. And then there are stretches where it becomes a major issue pushed by conservative outlets and every queer person gets labeled a groomer.

  • @metallicnole4514

    @metallicnole4514

    3 ай бұрын

    @@datguy3581 There's a lot of push and pull coming from both sides, especially with the nonbinary issue. You'll have people who don't conform to a gender, but expect people use the preferred pronoun with "they". Then you have others that push back and refuse to use those pronouns. How long will it take for people to meet in the middle and resolve all of this?

  • @noahpassmore6452
    @noahpassmore64523 ай бұрын

    Humans are terrible I see why magneto is after you all

  • @reggiebrown9508

    @reggiebrown9508

    3 ай бұрын

    This is when I go "Magneto has a point that humans suck."

  • @Haulinbassracing
    @Haulinbassracing3 ай бұрын

    Im more concerned with magneto controlling a machine thats made entirely of carbon fiber aluminum and titanium. None of those things are magnetic

  • @devJOE-Man

    @devJOE-Man

    3 ай бұрын

    But can they conduct electricity?

  • @Alex_Logan22

    @Alex_Logan22

    3 ай бұрын

    This version has always been super powerful, manipulating practically anything that isn't plastic, invincible force fields, space travel, etc

  • @KbearMcYumYums

    @KbearMcYumYums

    3 ай бұрын

    If I remember high school physics (I don't) then it makes sense, given the rules of the universe. Magnetic fields are just dictated by movement of electrons, I think. So if something or someone can affect the electronics in Iron to move it around based on magnetism, it wouldn't make sense he was unable to affect electrons in other metal.

  • @galmorzu
    @galmorzu3 ай бұрын

    Always appreciate an Alpha Flight shoutout. Big Sasquatch fan here. 😁

  • @artiststevens
    @artiststevens3 ай бұрын

    The damn show is about acceptance of people that are different 😂

  • @OliverSkatt03

    @OliverSkatt03

    3 ай бұрын

    The flaw with that logic is, you now have to accept Muslim extremists and Nazi’s because they’re different than you.

  • @kwayneboy1524

    @kwayneboy1524

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@OliverSkatt03There are limits to everything mate, you don't gotta accept folks who are engaging in criminal activity or are a danger to others. I think you're point to refute the top comment is flawed.

  • @DJ_I.T.-BrianWattz
    @DJ_I.T.-BrianWattz3 ай бұрын

    Robert I think is on point. By writing as an allegory it makes it more timeless instead of the social issue of the decade. Disney should take note of that on more of their entertainment recently.

  • @zacharyshatzer6124

    @zacharyshatzer6124

    3 ай бұрын

    The thing is they’re not saying the X-Men only represent nonbinary people because there’s one character on it that happens to be nonbinary. The ideas in the show could still be relevant to other minority groups, it’s like what John said that having a black person on the team doesn’t mean the allegory is only for black people.I doubt that Morph’s gender will even be mentioned in the show.

  • @DJ_I.T.-BrianWattz

    @DJ_I.T.-BrianWattz

    3 ай бұрын

    @zacharyshatzer6124 I agree wont be brought up in show. Probably won't be more than half the time if Disney were to say nothing to the press half their Fandom Hate would be gone.

  • @Dru2037

    @Dru2037

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@DJ_I.T.-BrianWattz they'll find something to complain about

  • @slip6hazard9

    @slip6hazard9

    3 ай бұрын

    @@AdamSummers-wj9vw Ok so then speaking of Jean Grey, should she and Cyclops not be a couple then?

  • @manuelalbertoromero9528

    @manuelalbertoromero9528

    3 ай бұрын

    @@zacharyshatzer6124 I mean outside of using they/them pronouns, yeah.

  • @FrostFireTiger
    @FrostFireTiger3 ай бұрын

    If any character fits as non-binary, it is Morph. The only part I find confusing is the part about making them bald. What's up with that? Not a big deal, but an odd choice. Is it for the use of wigs? I thought that they could already ''morph'' their hair?

  • @roguefrogger5823
    @roguefrogger58233 ай бұрын

    There was one error in this video: Morph is definitely from the comics and he first appeared as Changling all the way back in Uncanny X-Men issue #35 Aug 1967 before dying a few issues later. 😢

  • @victory7763

    @victory7763

    3 ай бұрын

    Changling not Morph. Two different people, they just have the same power and Morph is based on the other; but not the same person

  • @JonnySuite13
    @JonnySuite133 ай бұрын

    They've. Learned. NOTHING. All they liked is the action, the episodes, and the theme song!! All the social undertones, 100% ignored.

  • @kanutt1

    @kanutt1

    3 ай бұрын

    Yeah, how could the kids miss all the understones. It's not like the movies didn't hit people over the head with the message though.

  • @datguy3581

    @datguy3581

    3 ай бұрын

    @@kanutt1 I feel like media needs to be less subtle with its messaging. It seems like every time we get a well done subtle allegory, half the audience doesn't understand it.

  • @datguy3581

    @datguy3581

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Mickey-1994 The fact that you are calling people "weirdo[s]" for being different from you suggests that you're the exact type of person that the x men struggle against.

  • @Dohsoda
    @Dohsoda3 ай бұрын

    The themes of X-Men have always been about tolerance and acceptance for those who are seen as different. Its about diversity. Also, these are fictional characters.

  • @Horatio.Mantooth

    @Horatio.Mantooth

    3 ай бұрын

    Also,Stan Lee added that x-gene crap because origins for superpowers were getting too difficult

  • @Tazirai

    @Tazirai

    3 ай бұрын

    Yeah, it has, you're a liar.@GIGABIGOT

  • @LordChrisBerg
    @LordChrisBerg3 ай бұрын

    I always thought morph could shapeshift but not have the powers of who he turns into but the first two episodes show him using the abilities. 🤷‍♂️

  • @Alex_Logan22

    @Alex_Logan22

    3 ай бұрын

    He gains their physical abilities, which was shown in the old show too. He could turn into a rhino and defeat Wolverine with ease.

  • @martinlisitsata
    @martinlisitsata2 ай бұрын

    Fun Fact : Morph was made specifically for the series , it was going to be Thunderbird who died in the show but it was pointed out that the writers were going to kill off their only Native American character early in the series. Morph was created to be a throwaway character. Do with that info what you will .

  • @darnellismyname4011
    @darnellismyname40113 ай бұрын

    I personally hate gender race swapping in comic properties. The Morph change however is perfectly fine. It makes complete sense with his powerset. He can be man or woman at anytime. If they are going to make a random change that's the best one to do.

  • @stevemardis5669
    @stevemardis56693 ай бұрын

    I'm just tired of Marvel changing characters that have been around for 20,30 plus years. Does anybody remember what they did to Iceman in the comics 10 years ago. They completely changed him and made him gay after 50 plus years in the comics being straight, having dated Polaris and Rogue for a short time. I don't care if they create a new character and make them any form of LGBTQ, but quit changing existing characters. That's what I and other fans are getting irritated about., but I guess according to the new sensitivity patrol, we don't have a valid reason and we're insensitive because we don't agree.

  • @GURILLAPUD

    @GURILLAPUD

    3 ай бұрын

    Two different Iceman, the whole time and multi universe thing gets tricky.

  • @5678hu

    @5678hu

    3 ай бұрын

    That was a Time Displaced Iceman, not the original. Take a chill pill man

  • @justing7490

    @justing7490

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@5678huYou're talking about the gay teenager Iceman who confronted heterosexual adult iceman, and had heterosexual adult iceman break down about how he's in the closet because society forced him to be straight?

  • @cdubbart

    @cdubbart

    3 ай бұрын

    if that change bothered you that much then you've clearly missed the point of how powerful changing a main character that ppl know rather than creating a new one actually is.

  • @OliverSkatt03

    @OliverSkatt03

    3 ай бұрын

    @@cdubbartWhen they changed characters in Gods of Egypt (a movie telling a story) people didn’t say it was powerful….they said it was Whitewashed and theft of culture. Hmmmm….

  • @davidscottlane7771
    @davidscottlane77713 ай бұрын

    Morph was fantastic in the EXILES comic book series

  • @adriansandu9861
    @adriansandu98613 ай бұрын

    X men stands for a minority, not for everyone. Cuz they were different 🙏

  • @Kekkersboy
    @Kekkersboy3 ай бұрын

    Oh no the series about fighting against bigotry is angering bigots

  • @pudd66

    @pudd66

    3 ай бұрын

    Well put!

  • @ML-yn9yu

    @ML-yn9yu

    3 ай бұрын

    yeep.

  • @nendoakuma7451
    @nendoakuma74513 ай бұрын

    I remember when the animated series first came out I was like who is this guy Morph? Are they trying to capitalize on the popularity of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers by having a character with morph in his name?

  • @muhdshafiq2523
    @muhdshafiq25233 ай бұрын

    I never watch and grew up with the 90s x-men animated series because I’m not a child from the 90s but a child from the early 2000s. I’m going into x-men 97 as a new comers.

  • @smcauley600

    @smcauley600

    3 ай бұрын

    your one of them x-men evolution types jut kidding

  • @muhdshafiq2523

    @muhdshafiq2523

    3 ай бұрын

    @@smcauley600 no your absolutely right. I grew up with X-Men evolution when I was a little kid.

  • @n8tivesun673

    @n8tivesun673

    3 ай бұрын

    *you're

  • @samanthamaclean1430
    @samanthamaclean14303 ай бұрын

    I don’t get why people are surprised about the most. Shapeshifter characters in comic book stories are non-binary because they could change into any gender and isn’t the X-Men assemble for gay rights back when it came out and other meanings

  • @Elite-bh6pm

    @Elite-bh6pm

    3 ай бұрын

    True, another example of this was the character "Switch" in the first Matrix film. They changed it in the final movie but in the script Switch was a man in the real world and a woman in the Matrix.

  • @e3vL1

    @e3vL1

    3 ай бұрын

    Maybe they're used to Mystique being female?

  • @samanthamaclean1430

    @samanthamaclean1430

    3 ай бұрын

    @@e3vL1 I don’t think that’s it. Mystique has shapeshift herself as a man also in the movies

  • @mihaid1985
    @mihaid19853 ай бұрын

    A non binary person is just as real as a mutant shapeshifter

  • @datguy3581

    @datguy3581

    3 ай бұрын

    Most doctors and sociologists agree that being non binary is completely valid. Don't know where you're getting your information from.

  • @MavethTheReaper

    @MavethTheReaper

    3 ай бұрын

    I love how people want to find every excuse to push hate

  • @mihaid1985

    @mihaid1985

    3 ай бұрын

    @@MavethTheReaper not agreeing with an ideea does not mean someone is pushing hate. Most people are not as one dimensional. It is possible to like or feel sorry for someone without accepting their propaganda. Hating an ideea is ok, as long as it does not lead to hating the person.

  • @MavethTheReaper

    @MavethTheReaper

    3 ай бұрын

    @mihaid1985 the person legit just said another name for calling non binary is shape shifter, you really came for me didn't you? You don't consider that hate?

  • @datguy3581

    @datguy3581

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@Mickey-1994 Many people's internal experience of gender doesn't solely match with the gender assigned at birth (aka being transgender). Sometimes their physical body doesn't solely match with the gender assigned at birth. Nonbinary is an umbrella term. It can include essentially any gender that isn't either '100% male all of the time' or '100% female all of the time'. Most medical institutions such as the CDC and World Health Organization support the validity of transgender and nonbinary individuals. Also why do you get so personally offended by the existence of transgender and nonbinary individuals? Why can't you just let them exist? No one is telling you how to identify. You shouldn't be telling anyone else how to identify.

  • @Raivo_K
    @Raivo_K3 ай бұрын

    If the creators want a modern day non-binary etc character then create one from scratch. Just dont take a character from the past and start twisting history saying they were non-binary etc. It's the same crap with "female thor" or "superwoman".

  • @IWannaUnaliveMyself

    @IWannaUnaliveMyself

    3 ай бұрын

    His character is AOA is like this

  • @Del_116

    @Del_116

    3 ай бұрын

    Did you miss the point or you just slow . Any shape shifter is non non binary even mystique . The can be men and women . That’s non binary by definition .. smh how hard is that to understand .

  • @edaniels240
    @edaniels2403 ай бұрын

    The Wednesday i can't wait

  • @DEATHxTHExKIDx1
    @DEATHxTHExKIDx13 ай бұрын

    Man if folks think this is a problem they need help.

  • @michaelgonzalez3237
    @michaelgonzalez32373 ай бұрын

    R0b is right that 2024 really is the year that the X-Men take over Marvel again with 97 and Deadpool/Wolverine coming out

  • @TrypleD
    @TrypleD3 ай бұрын

    The difference is 'non-binary' was not even a common term in 90s. Now it's used as a trigger word. The PR here was too anxious to get some virtue points so they got slapped down. Should have let the show come out and speak for itself.

  • @derekb4977

    @derekb4977

    3 ай бұрын

    😂 it doesn't exist it's all ridiculous.

  • @andrewb4999

    @andrewb4999

    3 ай бұрын

    The term non-binary has been in use since the 1940s it’s just become more of common lexicon as LGBT acceptance has grown.

  • @basedoz5745

    @basedoz5745

    3 ай бұрын

    Non binary wasn’t a thing? Were you living under a rock?

  • @ChrisLamia
    @ChrisLamia3 ай бұрын

    The post Krakoa era rebrand looks pretty awful. We’ll see how it goes but on the surface it looks like it’s going back to the 2010s post Secret Wars dark ages

  • @Unworshipediety
    @Unworshipediety3 ай бұрын

    I don't think the X-Men stand for everyone, that's just silly. They stand for progress for all humanity. We are in the times when we've got to blantly point it out or we lose our place in line. The folks complaining about this will *find* _something_ wrong with the X-Men not matter what you say or do. Why sidestep these idiots? But hey, keep a calm demeanor but let's not pretend the X-Men doesn't offend a certain kind of person that hates change.

  • @kwayneboy1524

    @kwayneboy1524

    2 ай бұрын

    Straw Manning

  • @dmen0563
    @dmen05633 ай бұрын

    X-men has literally always been about diversity

  • @MONKEYDZETS

    @MONKEYDZETS

    3 ай бұрын

    No it hasn't lol

  • @n8tivesun673

    @n8tivesun673

    3 ай бұрын

    Nope, you're very, very wrong.

  • @datguy3581

    @datguy3581

    3 ай бұрын

    @@n8tivesun673 Did you not understand the part where they're a marginalized people fighting for their civil rights in the US? That's a pretty direct allegory to racial, sexual, and gender civil rights.

  • @n8tivesun673

    @n8tivesun673

    3 ай бұрын

    @datguy3581 please provide proof of this. The X-Men are a superhero team who fight everything from low-level thugs to extraterrestrial beings. Any link to "Civil Rights" is a very loose and flimsy one. Even Stan Lee confirmed that Civil Rights weren't part of his creative vision.

  • @datguy3581

    @datguy3581

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@n8tivesun673 X men were not intended to be a civil rights allegory at first but because marginalized people related to the x men due to facing their own persecution, marvel embraced the allegory.

  • @EchanteDante
    @EchanteDante3 ай бұрын

    These comments are really sad especially in reference to the X-Men when the X-Men have always represented the others and the outliers in society that get hate because people fear which they don’t understand. I love what you said about them it being ironic because these people would be the villains. I just do not understand why this is a big deal. They didn’t make Wolverine bisexual which I have bad news for you…Wolverine ends up being in love and having sexual relations with Hercules. They didn’t make Jean a trans woman etc. For one thing I don’t personally understand identifying as the opposite gender as I was born as nor do I fully understand non-binary. BUT I DONT HAVE TO FULLY UNDERSTAND IT ISNT MY LIFE! LET THEM BE THEY ARENT HURTING ANYONE all of this propaganda aimed at particularly the LGBTQ community right now is absolutely ridiculous. WHY NOT JUST MIND YOUR BUSINESS? If you aren’t that way then why not just continue living your life and minding your business? Can’t we all just coexist? And that is my biggest thing with all of this hatred for all LGBTQ people…why can’t you just let people live their life. Not everything movie, game, show, character etc has to be a representation of you. There are plenty of cartoons where this isn’t the case why not go watch one of them if it bugs you that bad. Now if they made every character on the show LGBTQ I myself would be a bit confused by that choice. But it is only Morph a character that nobody really truly cares about or remembers all that much. So I think this was a good way to complete the diversity of the original X-Men cartoon. And if a secondary character from a cartoon now being bald and not committing to one body or form of expression considered they are a shape shifter then I think you are just going out of your way to be hateful.

  • @DamonBrazzellUkesploitation
    @DamonBrazzellUkesploitation3 ай бұрын

    Wasn't Morph based on a different character?

  • @carleton4199

    @carleton4199

    3 ай бұрын

    Yes, he was based off the character, Changeling.

  • @slip6hazard9
    @slip6hazard93 ай бұрын

    Morph looks great in the new series.

  • @zaywhitt502
    @zaywhitt5023 ай бұрын

    A bunch of 40 year old white men bickering back n forth about cartoons is funny can’t lie 😄

  • @ManTheRampartsBaby
    @ManTheRampartsBaby3 ай бұрын

    Personally, it doesn’t bother me. I think for some, maybe it’s an issue of nuance and hitting the audience over the head with the subject matter. Yeah, the characters of the X-men have always been an allegory for the outcasts. There’s some creative nuance in that. But you lose that when you come out and plainly state it. It becomes blatant the political and social issues you’re dealing with and can feel too on the nose. Plus when studio heads or creators state it, it automatically feels like pandering corporate speak rather than genuine. But I do think it’s fitting for the character. Either way, I still hope the new series is great.

  • @datguy3581

    @datguy3581

    3 ай бұрын

    I don't see how making your message directly clear loses any value. X men has always been about fighting against discrimination. I have yet to see a convincing argument for how depicting real discrimination hurts the message and story of x men.

  • @datguy3581

    @datguy3581

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Mickey-1994 Rogue isn't less curvy then the original series. There is just one episode where the artists got weirdly horny and enlarged her butt. For most of the show, she has a normal sized behind. Transgender and non binary identities are recognized as valid identities by the CDC, World Health Organization, and most reliable medical organizations. I take their word on it over some random youtube commenter.

  • @morhboct3
    @morhboct33 ай бұрын

    that's the crazy thing about writing about good and evil there are going to people who identify with the evil side especially when their ideas are part of political movements the best you can hope for is that the writers does their best and is able to persuade those readers

  • @intothezombieapocalypse
    @intothezombieapocalypse3 ай бұрын

    wouldnt be bad if they didnt refer to Morph as He/Him in the original series lmao.

  • @mckenanbundy3578

    @mckenanbundy3578

    3 ай бұрын

    Morph could have come out since then

  • @intothezombieapocalypse

    @intothezombieapocalypse

    3 ай бұрын

    @@mckenanbundy3578 hasnt in the comics. and this show picks up right where the last episode of the show left off, so unless theres a huge time jump in the series where they say it. but also... morph is non binary... doesnt mean they are gay.

  • @genericyoutubechannel3790

    @genericyoutubechannel3790

    3 ай бұрын

    that's because non-binary wasn't a thing in 1992

  • @georgehernandez2156
    @georgehernandez21563 ай бұрын

    I just dont like morphs blank face.

  • @bipolarewok

    @bipolarewok

    3 ай бұрын

    That's just racist

  • @datguy3581

    @datguy3581

    3 ай бұрын

    Fair. But it probably is in service of whatever character arc they're going to give him in the new series.

  • @Del_116
    @Del_1163 ай бұрын

    A shape shifter is non binary . 😂😂😂 I belief the head of the head of the moorlocks is non binary . From the old series . So idk 🤷🏽‍♂️

  • @Trenton-mz3og

    @Trenton-mz3og

    3 ай бұрын

    Nobody takes the term non binary seriously

  • @bobuhnitza
    @bobuhnitza3 ай бұрын

    They should create an X-Men short where Morph is a man's man. And then when Morph shapeshifts into a woman to kiss wolverine, Logan stabs him and tells him his kissing sucks.

  • @observingtheapocalypse2
    @observingtheapocalypse23 ай бұрын

    This term didnt exist in the 90’s . If he was always Nonbinary then why didnt they say this then? its almost as if they did this because this is the hip cool thing to do for Cali people

  • @frankie8387

    @frankie8387

    3 ай бұрын

    The term didn’t but the gender identity did just not a formal label.

  • @kang6914

    @kang6914

    3 ай бұрын

    It’s almost as if all terms had to start at some point.

  • @datguy3581

    @datguy3581

    3 ай бұрын

    We come up with words to describe things. Nonbinary was a word invented to describe a type of gender identity. We evolve our language in order to better describe and explain things.

  • @cecaju9516

    @cecaju9516

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Mickey-1994X-men is about fighting prejudice towards people who are different or are “weirdos”. You are the villain in the show.

  • @cecaju9516

    @cecaju9516

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Mickey-1994 using disparaging terms to describe people who are different makes you the villain.

  • @liornachmias8980
    @liornachmias89803 ай бұрын

    It’s upsetting because people are fed up with indoctrination through animation.

  • @lionmom7629

    @lionmom7629

    3 ай бұрын

    The right wing narrative that diversity in animation is "indoctrination" is stupid. Different people really exist. Animation should be diverse because actual real life people are, and it should never have been homogenous in the first place.

  • @smcauley600

    @smcauley600

    3 ай бұрын

    no they are not cause they never done stop looking for excuses to be a bigot

  • @datguy3581

    @datguy3581

    3 ай бұрын

    Showing people different from you is not indoctrination

  • @MavethTheReaper

    @MavethTheReaper

    3 ай бұрын

    Indoctrination, you humans have this strange ability, to if they don't like something they can not watch it.

  • @FogHazard
    @FogHazard3 ай бұрын

    It's dishonest to present this as "people are mad there's a non-binary character in this show" and labeling them as "bigots". The reality is Morph was not non-binary previously, and people don't want retcons to a character. They could have just changed how he looked (as they did) and it would be enough to annoy people. Predictably, now they are using it as a story element of "Actually he and Wolverine may be more than friends the whole time" because we all know you can't just be friends with anyone in a platonic manner these days. It's clear that they are using this to bait people into talking about the show more, and that they are looking for ESG points. Many people are tired of seeing properties leveraged for the sake of companies at the expense of the original continuity. Now, if something goes wrong with the show, they can use Morph's non-binary title as a shield and say "it's because evil bigots who used to watch the show learned nothing and are the actual enemy." Just because an original creator decides to retcon something doesn't make it less of a retcon.

  • @KbearMcYumYums

    @KbearMcYumYums

    3 ай бұрын

    Bro wasn't Morph like created as a quick one-off for the animated show to kill really fast, because they didn't have the rights to the character they wanted??? And hasn't literally every single X-Men (including Magneto) gone through way more dramatic retcons previously than declaring a shapeshifter neither male nor female?? But please, continue your paragraphs about how you're not a bigot and the only reason you're ranting is about how they dare defy the mighty Canon that you seem to love so much😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @FogHazard

    @FogHazard

    3 ай бұрын

    @KbearMcYumYums I posted about the reason why people are bothered by the change. I'm not the one who keeps coming back to this video to scroll through comments and be like "bro ur a bigot 😂😂😂😂😂😂". If someone says "This is a continuation" but then something changes, it's going to make people go, "Wait, that wasn't like that."

  • @frstnmlstnm8484

    @frstnmlstnm8484

    2 ай бұрын

    @@FogHazard But when it comes to comic books and super hero movies aren't retcons common?

  • @FogHazard

    @FogHazard

    2 ай бұрын

    @frstnmlstnm8484 Yes good point, and some people don't mind while other people do. Personally, I don't really care about this, but it's been such a "big controversy," and I wanted to mention why some people who don't like it are not automatically "bigoted". It's not impossible to think that some people may be, but others just don't like continuity changes.

  • @antoniovasquez9946

    @antoniovasquez9946

    2 ай бұрын

    @@FogHazardyeah, but most of them are bigots. From a writing perspective, yeah, they could do better with the retcon. I think it makes sense that a character that can change sexes and become other people would eventually have a lot of questions about gender and its identity.

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