Eric Brown ought to have been knighted years ago, purely for his service to Britain in the War years. A truly amazing man, he lived and studied in Germany for some time before war broke out, and was fluent in German. He had many German friends prior to returning to Britain. When asked if he'd have any issues with shooting at Germans, he replied " not if they're in the air and shooting at me!" As a test pilot, Eric Brown flew more German aircraft types than any other allied pilot. He was one of a very few pilots who flew the Me163 Komet rocket fighter, albeit as a glider. Eric Brown argued with the big shots to allow him to fly it using the rocket motor, but they flatly refused! Eric Brown frequently flew back to Europe to recover captured German aircraft for evaluation. He befriended two German prisoner ground crew, whom he used often, as they were familiar with the aircraft's systems. They accompanied him on many flights, and he remained in contact with them for many years after the war. A truly amazing man.... I think Eric Brown was also the first pilot to land both a twin engined aircraft on an aircraft carrier, and also the first to land a jet aircraft on a carrier. A genuine 20th century legend. Anyone who has even the remotest interest in WW2 , aircraft or flying ought to read his book Wings On My Sleeve. You will not read a book like it....

@hughgordon6435

Жыл бұрын

Not only landing them but also taking the off from the flight deck!

@tcm81

Жыл бұрын

He was appointed MBE in 1944, so he was recognised.

@NesconProductions

Жыл бұрын

A bit dated response but seems Mr. Brown was the only Allied pilot to fly the Me163 'with' rocket fuel. From Wikipedia so, just citing the source 😉.. His flight test of this rocket plane, the only one by an Allied pilot using the rocket motor, was accomplished unofficially: it was deemed to be more or less suicidal due to the notoriously dangerous C-Stoff fuel and T-Stoff oxidizer combination . Commenting to a newspaper in September 2015 he recalled, To me it was the most exciting thing on the horizon, a totally new experience. I remember watching the ground crew very carefully before take-off, wondering if they thought they were waving goodbye to me forever or whether they thought this thing was going to return. The noise it made was absolutely thunderous and it was like being in charge of a runaway train; everything changed so rapidly and I really had to have my wits about me. [6] citation - Rawlinson, Kevin (21 February 2016). "Royal Navy's most-decorated pilot dies aged 97". The Guardian. Retrieved 23 February 2016.

@NesconProductions

Жыл бұрын

@@tcm81 When the queen was still driving an ambulance 😆 & appointed Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE) in the 1970 (an even higher level decoration). Being in so many movie-reel features (& unique interview / interrogation opportunities) I'm sure he was well recognized in the military for his numerous previous dangerous/pioneering exploits and his distinguished flying career extended well beyond WW2. Served his country with the highest level of distinction & bravery none could ever hope to duplicate. Title for 'World Most Interesting Man' could have gone to him.

@hughdavis3135

Жыл бұрын

Brian, totally agree with you that EB should have been Knighted for his extraordinary contribution to UK aviation.

Captain Brown was a ROYAL NAVY officer and a real life Hero.

@dacramac3487

Жыл бұрын

This. How they can make this serious mistake and expect to be taken seriously, Ido not know. They should have just gone with the actual title of the programme.

@jfc213

Жыл бұрын

wow what a man rip xx

I met Captain Brown at a talk he gave about his career. He was an absolute gent and his talk was fascinating.

Each couple of minutes of this doc contains more adventure than most normal humans could cope with in a lifetime.

@SuspenseESCAPEremastered

5 жыл бұрын

Hot Curry I'm left wanting more from this guy and more about this guy . . . You, too?!

@bret9741

5 жыл бұрын

I would love to have spent time visiting with this man. What I find so amazing is how many millions lived similar exciting lives and their lives remained obscured. I am grateful to those who take time to document lives that we all come away richer for seeing.

@phantomkate6

4 жыл бұрын

I'm going to read his book!

@jourwalis-8875

4 жыл бұрын

I could not agree more!

@harislade6676

4 жыл бұрын

Would make great movie.

What an incredible, learned, humble and heroic man. Never underestimate your elders. This man is worth 1000 so-called celebrities. I salute you Sir.

@GT380man

2 жыл бұрын

The DeHaviland jet disaster & Eric Brown’s trials. Incredible.

@commentingpausedtoprotectus

2 жыл бұрын

Beautifully put!

@DigitalArtisan77

2 жыл бұрын

Why would you underestimate your elders?

@davidfrost1961

2 жыл бұрын

Captain Winkle BROWN was in the ROYAL NAVY

@plewis1239

2 жыл бұрын

I second that

Captain Eric Brown simply has to be the greatest test pilot in the history of aviation! What an absolutely amazing career. Rest in Eternal Peace Sir 😔

I was in the RAF as ground crew from 70 until 80. I had a few great friends that had transfered from the Royal Navy. There was always a gentle Rivalry between the two services. This man was a legend for sure but one thing I will say. He deserves better than you calling him "An RAF Ace" in the title. Correct it please and give him the honour he deserves. He was a Royal Naval Fleet Air Arm Hero and would be most highly displeased that you did not call him so.

@OuterHeaven210

7 ай бұрын

Are u speaking for him?

@MartinHarvey

5 ай бұрын

Yes a clear error so if they can't get that right...

This guy had the most interesting and crazy life. There needs to be a full movie or series about him. What a legend.

@EJ-xf1ho

5 жыл бұрын

I agree, this really deserves a film

@WhatDemocracy

4 жыл бұрын

Yes i bet he has so many stories. What a legend and a hero.

@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM

3 жыл бұрын

@@WhatDemocracy : Sadly he's passed away. Guy's an absolute legend.

@AdventureUnknown

3 жыл бұрын

People wouldnt believe it.

@georgemartin1436

3 жыл бұрын

@@EJ-xf1ho Hollywood movies are generally very vapid....like to see what the UK could do with the story...

This man is a hero in every sense of the word. I served in the RAF doing my national service in the 1950's and I would feel humbled in his presence. RIP Capt.Eric Brown

Just watched this on Veterans' Day 2020 in USA. An amazing man to say the least. I know why they continued to get stronger aircraft. They had to, to carry this man's big brass ones... RIP, Captain Brown.

Test pilots like Captain Brown are at the pinnacle of their profession. What an incredible person he is. So humble,yet so wise. Rest In Peace Sir.

Was für ein erstaunlicher, symphatischer und bescheidener Mann. R.I.P. Captain Brown

Jesus...what a life. I look at celebs today, footballer players, social media stars etc earning millions and with all the recognition in the world...and then there are guys like Eric and his significance! Seems unjust to me. Anyway, rest in peace sir 🙏🏻

@PaulHigginbothamSr

2 жыл бұрын

Not one of these people stands of importance as high as Winkle. "Break a leg" Winkle you were the best.

@annettehadley9718

2 жыл бұрын

Well said.. I couldnt of put it better myself !

@eldavieo

2 жыл бұрын

Such a brilliant way of putting it 👌

@taketimeout2share

2 жыл бұрын

With all respect those footballers practice and practice and dedicate their whole young lives to just get in a so so team, ie nothing special. Eric Browne is one of my heroes, but even he would admit he fell into flying rather than sacrificing his whole youth as almost all footballers do. Fairs fair. He will be remembered, they won't but please don't make out they dont deserve their riches. Cheers

@iangascoigne8231

2 жыл бұрын

@@taketimeout2share They deserve it because people are willing to pay them the money.

Bless this man! It's sad men like him are gone my grandfather died in 2018 . a ww2 vet. I miss him everyday! My POP would be sick if he saw the state the world is in now in 2020. Especially here in the U.S

@billpugh58

3 жыл бұрын

With the MAGAs assualting the Capitol? Yes, tragic times at utter variance with the great US constitution!

@fila6243

2 жыл бұрын

@@billpugh58 and now biden.

@freddysquirenaranjo4859

2 жыл бұрын

Amen and 2021 looks even worse, than compared to last year?!?

@brianthesnail5452

2 жыл бұрын

It’s no better this site of the pond

@alanhardy3374

2 жыл бұрын

Right on. !

The humility and 'matter of factness' of Eric's storied life is amazing. Talking with Hermann Goring and witnessing the events of the 1936 Summer Olympics is jaw dropping. This memory was amazing.

@Anglo_Saxon1

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely astounding what this fellow experienced in his magnificent life.

With tears in my eyes, what a guy.

Captain Eric Melrose "Winkle" Brown, CBE, DSC, AFC, Hon FRAeS, RN (21 January 1919 - 21 February 2016) was a British Royal Navy officer and test pilot who flew 487 types of aircraft, more than anyone else in history. He was also the most-decorated pilot in the history of the Royal Navy. Rest In Peace.

@frankcarlsen4921

5 жыл бұрын

It is amazing that he didn't never receive a DFC, but I don't know if there have to be special circumstances to getting it.

@birddog9708

5 жыл бұрын

Frank Carlsen getting an AFC takes quite a guy .my old maths teacher George" stumpy" cannon had one for testing harriers etc

@gretalind6590

4 жыл бұрын

❤

@clive373

4 жыл бұрын

@@frankcarlsen4921 he wasn't combat flying for most of his career. He might have got a knighthood though.

@derekblake8516

4 жыл бұрын

Not only most types flown bur also most aircraft carrier landings....ever

I just love this guy; I'd give him a Key to New Zealand; he has flown so many aircraft, some that very few allies ever got to fly! The De Haviland he flew to break the sound barrier looked very much like an Me 163. Some claim that the Me 163 was the first aircraft to break the sound barrier and I believe it is very possible that it was! However back to Captain Brown, his view is way more informed than mine! What a great bloke, cobber, mate or Bro as my Maori mates would call him! I salute you Winkle Brown; Sir! I still don't know how those guys landed their aircraft on such small rocking and rolling platforms on top of a tiny ship called an aircraft carrier! Cripes a converted banana boat!

A very wellmade documentry.Glad that this was filmed in Eric's own words!! Captain Eric Brown... What a vibrant, sky soaring life he experienced. Proud of him!! RIP SIR !!

Nearly 2500 aircraft carrier landings and only one real incident when a landing hook failed is just an amazing achievement and measurable evidence of his professionalism. What a marvellous credit to the UK.

i've seen this video 3 times already and Captain Eric Winkle Brown is an amazing historic character, who lived to be 97 years old which is in itself miracle considering what he lived through. Aside from that, God blessed him to be maybe the greatest test pilot who had ever lived. he had an amazing talent, and presents of mind to do what seemed to be impossible. His memory deserves our honor, respect and gratitude.

What a Truly Amazing Person. I don't think I've ever felt so Humbled watching a documentary.

@jacknoble2050

3 жыл бұрын

These guys were really on the edge. Any pilot who has lost control say in a stall knows how scary it can be, this guy was going up every day not knowing if the Aircraft was going to do something he does not expect.The planes were flying in an area that was largely unknown and yet these guys and there Counterparts around the world went up pushing into that barrier whatever it may have been. I enjoyed flying aerobatics such a buzz but was not confident to do it myself. Eric Brown had that confidence and was amazing to listen to. I had the greatest respect for this man and his counterparts.

Currently reading his book "Wings on my sleeve" What a marvellous man, to whom we owe so much. RIP Winkle

@welshparamedic

2 жыл бұрын

@Hoa Tattis Hmm, I think Gregg doesn't like anything British full stop.!

Captain Brown is a man to be admired and remembered for his accomplishments.

This is just a fraction of his exploits... no mention of Rubber Deck landings, Leni Riefenstahl, Angled carrier decks, Spanish Civil War, Chuck Yeager and many many more. His book "Wings on your sleeve" is a must.

@richardkirk5098

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, I’m going to read that! Thanks for the tip.

@seanodwyer8691

3 жыл бұрын

dAVE- ABOUT TEN DAYS AGO AHH HAD FEELINGS of chuck yeager dyeing and at 10 p.m. ahh turn on aljeeraz news and at bottom trolling along was Chuck Yeager dies age 97

@lindonpeasley2469

3 жыл бұрын

**"Wings on My Sleeve"

@fredfarnackle5455

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it is definitely a must read!

Very sadly, just 15 months after the making of this film, Eric joined the brave pilots in the sky. Sleep well, lucky man. Brave soul. Hero. Brilliant flyer. Thank you, post mortem, for all that you did for humanity, liberation, and the furtherment of the science of flight. We will miss your charm, humour, bright hearted spirit, and general fantastical ability to communicate. Sleep easy. We will miss you. 😌

@terraflow__bryanburdo4547

3 жыл бұрын

So lucid in mid-90s! Most of us will not be so fortunate....

@Anglo_Saxon1

Жыл бұрын

@@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 Yes,isn't he brilliant.

@madmanmechanic8847

Жыл бұрын

What a bummer I am so glad he was able to tell his story

I highly recommend his book "Wings on My Sleeve". It covers everything here but in much greater detail!

@andrecarvalho4596

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the book indications

@markellis796

3 жыл бұрын

Just read it fantastic!

@-few-fernando11

3 жыл бұрын

Good book and really nice read indeed. It reads like a very good movie, lots of details for the aviation enthusiasts

I would have loved to have flown with him. he seemed like a very nice person. I flew B 52s for years and I bet he would have been a fantastic B-52 Bomber pilot. God bless you Captain Brown.

@dafyddthomas7299

3 жыл бұрын

That is an iconic American plane.

@packhams4

2 жыл бұрын

B52s may yet get to be the first plane with a 100 year service history.....

Captain Eric “Winkle” Brown flew more different aircraft types, on land and landing at sea, than any other aviator in the history of Aviation. His nickname “Winkle” came from the fact that he was short in stature. Whenever he crashed he was able to pull himself up into the cockpit saving him from serious injury. A periwinkle is a small edible marine Gastropod.

He test flew 470+ different types. This number becomes even more impressive when you consider that he flew just about all marks of Spitfire/Seafire and merely classed them as one type

Watching LZ551 Piloted by Lft. Commander Eric “Winkle” Brown , float down onto the carrier deck of HMS Ocean, its wings fluttering slightly, the LSO Batsmen and the aircraft itself, seemingly locked in a telepathic dance, is incredibly beautiful.. Then watching the slightly bewildered and excited deck observers, come rushing over, brought a tear to my eye.

@williammilton2446

2 жыл бұрын

Km

@Anglo_Saxon1

Жыл бұрын

👍

Capt. Brown may have been small in stature but he was a giant amongst men.

@johnemerson1363

3 жыл бұрын

James Dolittle was also short in stature, but both these men cast a giant shadow. The end of which we are still looking for.

@leddielive

3 жыл бұрын

I did wonder if the two pilots had flight suits on and that helped stave off the onset of hyperthermia? It must've been a horrific experience to bear and must in some small way driven a powerful incentive for revenge, I think that's how I felt and I was just watching Winkle retell the whole ordeal. Rip - a true British Gentleman.

@carcharinus6367

3 жыл бұрын

@John White - Little Big Man. Ein echter *Profi* mit einem Herz aus Gold... RIP

@TRHARTAmericanArtist

3 жыл бұрын

Amen brother.

@MrDaiseymay

3 жыл бұрын

ABSOLUTELY, FROM EVERY STAND-POINT, SUCH SKILL AND BRAVERY, WILL NEVER BE REPEATED.

Its videos like this one that make trawling through YT worthwhile, Captain Brown was a true British hero, I'm so thankful I found his story.

I’ve watched this shaking my head the whole way through. This man was an incredible human being who did and saw incredible things. Rest easy Sir. 🇬🇧

Dang, what a bigger hero than 99% of my other heroes. Where's all the movies about this Legend? He's as or more famous and made as many or more achievements as Gen Chuck Yeager.

These guys were really on the edge. Any pilot who has lost control say in a stall knows how scary it can be, this guy was going up every day not knowing if the Aircraft was going to do something he does not expect.The planes were flying in an area that was largely unknown and yet these guys and there Counterparts around the world went up pushing into that barrier whatever it may have been. I enjoyed flying aerobatics such a buzz but was not confident to do it myself. Eric Brown had that confidence and was amazing to listen to. I had the greatest respect for this man and his counterparts.

It's sacrilege how this legend, wasn't knighted or at least given more recognition, for his contribution to this country. And aeronautics as a whole.

@krell2130

3 жыл бұрын

Jimmy Saville was knighted.

Wow, I could listen to him forever. What an interesting life he led.. Men and women like him really did live with the ideal that they were creating something that was so much bigger than they were. So special

Just watched for the 1st time, what a man, what a life, what an absolute legend and someone who should be forever remembered....!

Who could ever give this man and his life a 👎dislike? What a true hero of the greatest generation of all time!! Thank you for your service sir!!!

I just came across this splendid record of man who did great things with his life by advancing aviation, often at the risk of his own life. He landed many types at sea for the first time. He was gifted with the ability to relate to others how to safely operate aircraft he tested. He saved many lives by finding the truth of how a design behaved in the real world. Among my prized possessions is a bound hardcover anthology of more than twenty years of an aviation magazine that Mr. Brown contributed his stories of and opinion of the planes he tested. Three generations of pilots owe him a debt that can't be calculated.

Just finished reading his autobiography "Wings On My Sleeve". I have some interest in this kind of stuff but I'm easily bored and wasn't expecting too much - but his story is quite riveting. Adventure and experiences almost beyond belief. He was clearly a man with incredible flying skill. He also had a tremendous amount of good fortune, but people tend to make their own luck don't they. Disgraceful that he wasn't better known and celebrated before recent years.

Incredible. Amazing. Astonishing. This gentleman stands 100 feet taller than the ordinary man. May I shake your hand, Winkle? (I could listen to this man talk for hours. Go ahead, produce more!)

My father was a pilot in the Royal Canadian Airforce during WWII who trained pilots and now watching this tribute to Captain Eric Brown we can see how wars are won by people who have got it in their heads that they can do whatever it is they're asked to do. And they will go and fight for freedom at any cost. We owe my father and Eric Brown's generation the freedoms we all enjoy today.

There should be a picture of "captain Brown" Next to the dictionary definition of "greatest generation" LEGEND✈✈

@userkev5150

2 жыл бұрын

could not agree more

One Of The Greatest Aviators Of The 20th Century! Captain Brown Was Not In The RAF. He Was A Royal Navy Pilot & One Of The Greatest Test Pilots Of All Time. Thank You.

Excellent documentary about an amazing man. He is so matter-of-fact when telling about the hair-raising episodes in his life. A true British hero.

What an incredible man. Wow! He's filled a hundred lifetimes. The greatest of the greatest heroes.

What an incredibly interesting guy, what an honor it would be to meet him and hear his story.

Met him once, lovely man and what a man!!!

What an absolutely glorious life and such a dignified and capable man.

You helped change the world of aviation, by being courageous enough to test dangerous ideas. Thankyou sir, thankyou.

His 'wings on my sleeve' book was one of the most interesting/unusual piece of aviation literature I've ever come across. The man was a true legend.

@cut_putashatsang9784

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the recommendation 👍

@joyousmonkey6085

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the recommendation - just purchased this astounding gentleman's book.

@joyousmonkey6085

3 жыл бұрын

...and it is just as good as I was hoping. This gentleman was incredibly brave but deliciously self-effacing.

@Ziadalabbady

3 жыл бұрын

@@joyousmonkey6085 He was indeed. May he rest in peace🙏🏻

I`m in awe of this man. I wish kids today could realize what a true role model this man is and always will be. I would love to see this mans scrapbook Cheers Sir !

An extraordinary man. How can so much history happen to one guy?

"He has a facility for deck-landing". Talk about a massive British understatement!

This must be the most incredible life story I've ever heard. Rest in peace, good sir.

What a pleasure to chance into this program. I have had Capt. Brown’s book the “ Wings of the Luftwaffe” since the ‘80s and simply loved it, helped me in my own work. He was a truly great man, passed away at 97 just 5 years ago.

If I could be a 10th of this man, I'd consider my life well-lived. What an absolute hero Captain Brown...

I met him, he was not an RAF pilot, he served with Fleet Air Arm of the Royal Navy!

@oldcremona

2 жыл бұрын

Not an ace, either, with 2 kills to his credit.

Always my hero from when I first read his articles, as a kid, in Flight International that my dad used to bring home from work.as an airline pilot....Rest easy.

@26:45 "Put one leg over the side.... pull on the stick and that catapulted me out". This man is a machine. SALUTE!

The man should have been awarded the Victoria Cross imo

@sblack48

3 жыл бұрын

Vc is specifically for valour in battle so I’m not sure. But a knighthood was a no brainer. They dropped the ball for sure. No doubt he was one of the greatest pilots of all time, up there with Yeager and Doolittle.

What an amazing gentleman! A national treasure for my cousins across the pond.

Thank you for posting this. It is a wonderfully executed record of an amazing life. RIP Capt Winkle. Respect.

What an amazing man. Nothing fazed him in situations of extreme danger and he used his sharp thinking to overcome every situation.

Watching films like this makes me realise how many stories have never been told. I am glad this one has been. Thankfully there are people out there who have taken the time and effort to record things like this or they would be lost with time.

@buckodonnghaile4309

6 жыл бұрын

Western Australia Now and Then in Canada we have a thing called The Memory Project that's goal is to record, archive and share the stories of military veterans past and present. It's sad knowing that most of these guys are gone and their stories are left untold, the majority of them were kids when they went to war (my grandpa was 16 years old when he entered the Great War and my great uncles were 16,18, and 19 in WW2).

@WesternAustraliaNowAndThen

6 жыл бұрын

That is a great idea, nice to know that there are people putting in the effort to help record our collective history.

What an amazing man! He is truly someone we should know more about.

love & respect from BANGLADESH

What an amazing man. Surely he should be on the list of the Worlds Top Aviators.

@paulhicks6667

9 ай бұрын

He’s at the top of it.

What a man. I'm astonished. What a serviceman. At the going down of the sun........

@fredfarnackle5455

2 жыл бұрын

...we will remember them...

I totally enjoyed watching this documentary long live Captain Brown!!!

A truly great man from the greatest generation.

The Mosquito was a fascinating plane. Great ingenuity. This man talking was pretty fascinating as well. Thank God for men like him.

Brilliant! He was at member of a generation, that are made no more. Hats of for you Sir !!!!!!!

What an absolute joy to watch.

An amazing man and an amazing life. What a role model . I have watched it twice already. But i will certainly watch it again and again .

Amazing man no braggadocio no false modesty as brave as any. An era of huge leaps in aviation where aircraft were developed from a theory that “this might work” sadly often did not. This man should be lauded and his story appreciated by everyone who wants to know what bravery is.

"deck landing was quite a hazardous business"! That's understatement, what a legend, what a life, makes you so proud to come from the same planet as Eric.

Thank you ,And , Thank you Capt Brown .

A true Legend and now he goes on to fly with the Angel's in heaven. What an incredible story.

After becoming the most inspiring figure in my life I went on to give a school assembly to my peers on the achievements of this man and where they have left us today. Perhaps his story should be made compulsory viewing/reading in schools today.

They wont make a movie about this incredible man because no one would beleive it.

I thought I had had an interesting life having traversed this world as many fellow Scots before me, such as Eric "Winkle" Brown has done. But my experiences pale in insignificance against this gentleman's extraordinary life journey. I am proud to be part of such a small nation, at least in area, yet a virtual giant that has produced so many important world-changing figures. So many of its sons and daughters have enhanced and advanced humanity far beyond what may have been expected of a nation of only the population of a large city.

One in a million. Mr Brown. Fantastic video

Who on earth could give this man a thumbs down, what an amazing life he had.

Unlike modern film stars or athletes, or that ilk, most of what Eric Brown did was hidden in the shadows of military security. There was very little public recognition. Captain Brown cared not a whit for fame and glory. He just wanted to fly and serve his country. RIP Captain Brown. You were a hero to your country and respected and admired in the aviation community around the world.

Sensational, incredible, phenomenal yet humble. Spiritual being yet entirely realistic - film worthy of note!!!!!!!!

Absolute legend of a pilot, and a great Scot.

My hat off to probably one of the finest pilots that ever flew.

A real true ace pilot. You such a beauty mate. A pilot with guts pride and dedication.

One of the most amazing people of the 20th century.

i share your surname and am damn proud to do so, it breaks my heart to know there's less than a handful of you brave, brave men LEFT, who the likes of we will never see again, LEST WE FORGET

@phill633vgs

6 жыл бұрын

Polly g me too...

I love this guy. And the fact that he sounds like The Professor from “Futurerama” makes him even More likable. Good show, old man. You left your Mark on Humanity...👍🏻

What a hero! Rip old friend!❤️

"Fairly hazardous landing " understatement of the century!

The man was an aviation GOD!

This man and his interview are priceless. Thanks so much for sharing. KZread has revolutionized history, these tales are so important.

It's the humble ones who often achieve the most.

Greatest ever pilot,RIP "Winkle"